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Old 10-16-2013, 01:08 AM   #176
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How is this different compared to religious groups, something that you usually hate on?
Who said I hate religious groups?

Do you mean that I am critical of some aspects of some forms of religion? Is that considered hate?

Or do you mean Scientology? Are they not a group that should be scorned?

You'll have to elaborate..
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Who said I hate religious groups?

Do you mean that I am critical of some aspects of some forms of religion? Is that considered hate?

Or do you mean Scientology? Are they not a group that should be scorned?

You'll have to elaborate..
Are the people in this thread who are questioning the ethical and morality of what John Chow is selling, just being critical as well? People here seem to be critical of what he is actually selling, how is he earning his money, and how is trying to pray on others.

Isn't this similar to religious groups? And someone like you is quite vocal at being critical towards religious groups can certainly understand why people are critical of John Chow.
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Are the people in this thread who are questioning the ethical and morality of what John Chow is selling, just being critical as well? People here seem to be critical of what he is actually selling, how is he earning his money, and how is trying to pray on others.

Isn't this similar to religious groups? And someone like you is quite vocal at being critical towards religious groups can certainly understand why people are critical of John Chow.
Some are being critical, and that's great. I am all for it.

Others are being cunts.. I just quickly glanced through the thread, and saw shit like

"The sooner you get the fuck off RS, the better. "

"not a fucking affiliate site for John Chowder."

"John Chow is a mainstream hustler, digital snake oil dealer"

"it's even scummier than porn or drugs"

"this fool couldn't sell water in the desert"

That is not being critical or skeptical. That is being a complete asshole. I get that they don't like the product. But this is the pure hate I was referring to. If you ever see me posting stuff like that about religious groups (or anything else other than people being stupid) then I deserve whatever shit you want to throw my way.

Like I said there are 1 or 2 people who are being good about being critical about John's products, and that's fine. I never said anything bad to those guys, and I am not arguing with them at all. That's for John to address.
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If it's not good enough to sell to your friends and family why is it good enough for anyone else?
How is that even a question? Don't you consider your loved ones with a higher standard than you would strangers?

I have John's books and I know him in real life so I can tell you that what he has in his materials is the actual way he makes money. He doesn't say it'll make everyone rich...but it is how he got rich and the right combination of commitment and personality could do it for someone else too. It doesn't work for everyone but not everything does.

It's not unethical. It's free market capitalism. People can think for themselves and everyone is responsible for their own decisions.
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I think a good deal of people here just don't understand any of this and to be honest, I don't blame you. I wouldn't get it either if I wasn't so close to it or have John explain exactly what's going on so many times.

I haven't looked at this MTTB site but I do know how John makes his money and never thought there was anything wrong with it. Will his methods work for you? Maybe not...but they do work for him and that's what he sells. I don't even do it properly and I was profitable before REVscene.

And that's all I'll say about that. You can throw whatever other hypotheticals you want but everyone's money is their own responsibility.
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I'm not super rich, no.

It takes time, commitment, and either technical knowhow to get things done yourself or the money to invest initially. In addition, it probably requires that you're an outgoing personality with decent public speaking skills.

I've made plenty of websites but I'm more of a writer than a tech guru. I have plans but don't want to put in the money to get people to create what I want right now. It's also because what you propose is near impossible. If you want to make money on the internet, it isn't with food blogging. None of my main interests directly translate very well into the internet marketing world.

I'm also just a procrastinator. However, John encouraged me to start a blog about 7 years ago and with, really, very little effort and just writing what I felt like writing, I made enough money to pay for a car and a good deal of camera equipment. All the money I make online pretty much goes to fun things.

I do alright. I've amassed enough of an audience and social media presence that has allowed me quite a few opportunities that I don't think I would've had otherwise.
So do you think it's a good idea to spend 60k on his products?
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So do you think it's a good idea to spend 60k on his products?
I don't remember anything here that costs $60k but it would be financially irresponsible for anyone to spend money they can't afford to. If you're buying a course for $60k and that empties your bank account, then that's not a good idea, is it?

I don't think it's much different than the folks that pay $60k for a fine arts degree from a fancy school. Sure, you could be a millionaire art gallery owner or whatever but you could also end up at Starbucks, whining about your student loans.

A lot of the information is available completely free from his blog as well and people still buy it in book form. People make their own call to buy it.

...spoken as someone that just bought Zack Arias' book, which is just a collection of entries from his Tumblr page...
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Either way. How other people spend their money is of no concern to me, just like I don't care what party you vote for or what god you pray to.
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Either way. How other people spend their money is of no concern to me, just like I don't care what party you vote for or what god you pray to.
How about when the the guy goes broke and tells his story to CBC how John Chow scammed him out of all his money?
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Many of those graduates chose otherwise, which is completely correct in your statement. But its how these graduates demonstrated the ability to at least be capable of doing somethig along their area (if chosen to). By the looks of John Chow's University webpage, it seems as if its catered to anyone , without needing to demonstrating any mental capability...I mean, really? Don't get me wrong, I'm certain this is one of the major reasons why the masses generally looknegatively towards these business styles, as most of them took "make $9, 000 in a month by sitting around essentially" too literally (on top of a bunch of speeches) and just ended up bitter due to their failure. But I guess this ties with what you said about how people make their own choices with their money and how the strangers' background is less considered when making money.
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I'd ask them where the scam is. They paid money for information and got it. Whether it works for them is up to them and the universe, as with all opportunities in life. The information worked for John so they didn't pay for false information. It just didn't work out for them.
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I'd ask them where the scam is. They paid money for information and got it. Whether it works for them is up to them and the universe, as with all opportunities in life. The information worked for John so they didn't pay for false information. It just didn't work out for them.
The scam is telling people they can make 10k a day. He is selling a false dream.

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Get back to me when the guy is making 10K a day.
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Which is why education teaches GENERALIZED concepts in which works for majority of the people, while ideas that work off the generalized concepts are specific for each individual. Yes, I'm aware John Chow's method is successful. So is Bill Gates'...if it were that easy, Bill Gates wouldn't be Bill Gates nor will John Chow be John Chow. What I'm getting at is a lot of people in society don't come to that understanding and just take the overly emphasized advetisements way too liteteral. So I'd like to say this style of business is somewhat misleading in the claims of how easy it is to ACTUALLY achieve what John Chow himself achieves (you could call this good marketing I guess. Lol.).
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Which is why education teaches GENERALIZED concepts in which works for majority of the people, while ideas that work off the generalized concepts are specific for each individual. Yes, I'm aware John Chow's method is successful. So is Bill Gates'...if it were that easy, Bill Gates wouldn't be Bill Gates nor will John Chow be John Chow. What I'm getting at is a lot of people in society don't come to that understanding and just take the overly emphasized advetisements way too liteteral. So I'd like to say this style of business is somewhat misleading in the claims of how easy it is to ACTUALLY achieve what John Chow himself achieves (you could call this good marketing I guess. Lol.).
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Since Manic still doesn't seem to know what I do or what my products are, I'll use this post to try to explain it.

There is my blog. This is free for everyone to read. It offers advice on blogging, social media, Internet marketing, and other things related to making money online. It also offers my ramblings on whatever is on my mind, as well as where I went for dinner. The blog makes its money via advertising, much the same way RS does. It also generate income by recommending other products and it receives a commission if a sale occurs.

Most people who read the blog are interested in blogging and how to make money from blogging. Many want to start a blog but don't know how to. This where my free WordPress installation service comes in. The customer signs up for a web hosting account at my web host (HostGator in this case) and I will install WordPress for them for free. They also get 25% off the hosting because they purchased it from me.

The end result is a win win win. The customer is happy because he has a new blog installed for free and got a 25% savings. HostGator is happy because they got a new customer. I'm happy because I get $150 for pushing a button that reads "Install WordPress". The $150 is the affiliate commission HostGator pays me for referring a new customer. The normal commission is $50 per sale, but because of my volume (I do 3 to 5 a day), I was able to get a higher rate.

While the blog is free, I do offer my training products for purchase. Examples of these include Blogging with John Chow and IM John Chow. These are information products (eBooks, videos and membership sites). Now you could say you can get all my online money-making information on my blog for free, and that is true. But you'll have to read through 5,000+ blog posts to find the ones specific to your needs. Or you can pay me $47 and I'll present it to you in a nice organized package. Many people see value in that, and they're wiling to pay for it. Time is money after all, and saving time to read through 7 years of blog posts is worth money to many people.

MTTB is my newest venture. My products are created based on the needs of my readers. They want to make money online, but they lack the knowledge or resources to do it. I try to create ways to make it easier for them (installing WordPress for free as an example). MTTB is a "business in a box". Many people would like to have an Internet business, but don't have the time or experience to create the products, marketing materials or traffic. MTTB provides all that.

Why I do all this should be obvious by now. Just like I make a commission when a readers signs up for a new blog from HostGator, I make a commission whenever a MTTB licensee makes a sale. Unlike HostGator, my MTTB commission is for life. As long as the licensee keeps making money, I keep making money, so my job is to help them make more money because the money I make is tied to their success. And that right there is the secret to success on the Internet. The most people you help succeed, the more successful you become.

Haters can keep on hating, but there's a reason my blog has a 250K daily readership. I deliver value to my readers/customers, and that's all that matters.
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Dude, I can so respect that.

THAT is a quality answer to a simple question. None of this, "but wait! there's more" bullshit. Or, "sign up for spam for kind of answers"

That's all people wanted man. I gain more out of that answer rather than, "I fly private and drive a this that and the other. Last week I fucked a porn satr, for free, just cause"

You know, the showy douchey stuff.
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So in conclusion: John Chow helps people start, market and monetize blogs.
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going to chime in on this. The MTTB is John Chow's new product. It can't really be a scam since it's basically a guideline on how to run your own internet business and *guarantee's* a $1000 profit within 30 days. Important thing to remember is that it is GUARANTEED $1000 profit or you will get $500. There isn't a scam if the members who purchase the product and receive $500. If the $1000 profit within 30 days is not met and $500 is not received that IS the scam (and no i'm not saying it IS a scam, but if it were, that would how it would be). With the live meetings, they're seminars. There's large companies who pay people to do workshops for them so that they can better understand how to affluently run their business. For example, the FISH! marketing philosophy example has it's speakers make big bucks by speaking to people.
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...time for me to chime in on this and the above posting... since I sorta started this thread lol.


OK.. Speedstar:
NOTE: in order to qualify for that $500, you MUST have tried all steps of the program. I believe step 7 is to purchase a $2000 license to continue. So where does that leave you? do you continue after making that 2k investment or eat your losses and say goodbye to $1500?

...and John, correct me if I am wrong on the above.

Secondly, is John moving away from the blogging concept and entering this sort of scheme where the 'audience' get so hyped up about making oodles of money but its not guaranteed.

however, like Ronin pointed out above.. 'hey it's not my money... who really cares?'.

I just don't agree with the concept and that is all.
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I think you're missing the point.

The hype is built because from what the audience can see -- John is doing very well for himself. Sure, he may flash his riches every now and then, but in reality he is selling what he does and how he does it.

You may use his method, but there are many external factors that may lead to a lack of success. John found a way that works for him. He is only explaining what works for him.

Sure, the cost may be a bit on the high side, but if the audience deems it worthy, that is all that matters, is it not?

In a sense, he has found an internet way of interpreting 'I help you, and you help me'.

You can mirror what he does, but the difference is that he has an existing audience base (from years of work), which puts him far ahead of you. The hardest part is most likely building up the number of audience.

Just look at those YouTube'rs that end up making a little bit of money. It's all in the partnerships and the number of subscribers.
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Now the question is: Is he really rich?

I still think he should take my gas station running course.
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