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thumper 09-17-2018 12:30 PM

find a set of equal width wheels and run a square setup.

320icar 09-17-2018 12:36 PM

Mercedes? Common winter setup is running the 225 square

BIC_BAWS 09-17-2018 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fcukedd (Post 8919507)
Looking to get an opinion on the following..

Setup from factory for my RWD vehicle is 255 (R) and 225 (F)

Cousin has an essentially brand new set of Falken Eurowinters that he's offering for free from his old vehicle, but all 4 tires are 245.

Are there any concerns or problems about running them on my car?

Thanks

You might not be able to fit the 245s up front, dependent on fender clearance. Might rub, and you'll have to cut the fender liner, otherwise there's a chance that it'll just tear off.

yray 09-17-2018 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fcukedd (Post 8919507)
Looking to get an opinion on the following..

Setup from factory for my RWD vehicle is 255 (R) and 225 (F)

Cousin has an essentially brand new set of Falken Eurowinters that he's offering for free from his old vehicle, but all 4 tires are 245.

Are there any concerns or problems about running them on my car?

Thanks

I run square on my merc for winters and staggered on summers.

I'd be more concern on rims, offset and height of tires. PITA to get cheap aftermarkets.

check your manual, it'll tell you all the recommended tire sizes

Expresso 09-17-2018 03:12 PM

Anybody run the Falken HS449? Any opinions?

mk1freak 09-17-2018 03:50 PM

Used the fallen eurowinters on a 535 to Kelowna over christmas, they sucked downhill and in packed snow definitely anus clenching ride. They're great in the city slush conditions though.
All depends on your use. I expected them to be a bit softer and got rid of them after that trip.

BIC_BAWS 09-17-2018 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mk1freak (Post 8919545)
they sucked downhill and in packed snow definitely anus clenching ride.

I'd argue that most winter tires in those conditions would equate to an anus clenching ride. I went during the blizzard storm in Jan, General Altimax Arctic + rwd E46, those were not fun times LOL.

Took us a good 6 hours to get Kelowna, whereas it took us maybe 3-4 hrs this summer.

Even if you had top tier snow tires, it's not gonna help when the semi's rip by you and create a cloud of snow (no visibility) for 10 seconds.

But I might cop those Eurowinters for driving around town or to Whistler.

yray 09-17-2018 05:16 PM

pack snow is basically ice, only thing that will work is studded tires

any cheap chinese studded tires?? :troll:

underscore 09-17-2018 11:01 PM

I've never had issues on the Coq, even in some pretty shit weather, but I've always gone for good snow tires. With my Cherokee I used to leave it in RWD almost all the time, I'd just chuck it in 4WD when passing someone/being passed just in case they lost control. You have to go slower which is annoying but just remember that going too fast and stuffing it will make your trip a lot longer than just going slow.

I did the Connector with studs for the first time last winter but they didn't seem to make any noticeable difference compared to driving it with the same model of tire but without studs. For the small window of conditions that studs actually help with I don't think they're worth it for most people, take the money you would've spent on studs and just get one step better tires, or some winter safety gear.

AstulzerRZD 09-23-2018 02:16 PM

Couple thoughts from Ontario...

Many owners reporting wear issues with WS80.. what I'm hearing from tire shops is that the Winter Contact Si is a more balanced alternative to WS80/XIce3, Toyo GSI 5 is really good in deep snow/ice since it has crushed walnut shells in the compound, and the Pirelli IceZero FR being another one to round out the list.

6o4allmotor 09-26-2018 03:35 PM

Alright read through the thread and still unsure.

Looking for a set of winter or all weathers the car (civic) is just used to commute to work 40km each way and want something that will do well in the dry, rain,slush,ice as well

What would you recommend
X-ice x13
Nordman Wr
Kumho Solus all weather
Firestone winterforce 2
conti wintercontact si
Gislaved nordfrost 200

supafamous 09-26-2018 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6o4allmotor (Post 8920883)
Alright read through the thread and still unsure.

Looking for a set of winter or all weathers the car (civic) is just used to commute to work 40km each way and want something that will do well in the dry, rain,slush,ice as well

What would you recommend
X-ice x13
Nordman Wr
Kumho Solus all weather
Firestone winterforce 2
conti wintercontact si
Gislaved nordfrost 200

X-Ice 3 if you've got the money. The Nordman WRs are just the WRG2s which are 2 generations old and are all-weather tires that only last 50,000km.

A cheap solid one is the General Arctic Altimax. Bit noisy but will chew through all the snow around. Could use more bite on ice.

TOS'd 09-26-2018 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD (Post 8920394)
Couple thoughts from Ontario...

Many owners reporting wear issues with WS80..

Source?

JordanLee 09-27-2018 12:41 AM

I have 3 brand new Nokian Hakkapelitta R2 in 215 60 16, was gonna buy a 4th and sell as a set but will pass the savings to another RSer who wants to put in the work.

320icar 09-27-2018 06:20 AM

I just saw that Michelin released an all weather tire. Haven’t driven on them yet so can’t give any feedback. I usually prefer a dedicated summer/winter but for lots of people who never leave the gvrd or go skiing, this is usually a good alternative since we get usually 2 days of snow a year in Richmond

Michelin crossclimate

http://meylerstyres.com/wp-content/u...eplus_half.jpg

320icar 09-27-2018 06:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TOS'd (Post 8920924)
Source?

The ws80 is a very soft compound. If your alignment isn’t perfect, or you run it 6 months a year like our highways suggest, you can burn them out in 2 years. But people have to choose the right tire for them, not just a highly reviewed tire

yray 09-27-2018 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 320icar (Post 8920975)

that tread pattern is interesting.

roastpuff 09-27-2018 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 320icar (Post 8920976)
The ws80 is a very soft compound. If your alignment isn’t perfect, or you run it 6 months a year like our highways suggest, you can burn them out in 2 years. But people have to choose the right tire for them, not just a highly reviewed tire

Can confirm - I knew this coming in, and chose the WS80 for the superior bad weather traction in exchange for reduced tread life. I'd be lucky to see 3 years total out of my set I think, with the KMs I drove in the winter.

6o4allmotor 09-27-2018 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by supafamous (Post 8920921)
X-Ice 3 if you've got the money. The Nordman WRs are just the WRG2s which are 2 generations old and are all-weather tires that only last 50,000km.

A cheap solid one is the General Arctic Altimax. Bit noisy but will chew through all the snow around. Could use more bite on ice.

How are the generals in the rain

GabAlmighty 09-27-2018 03:48 PM

Just in case there's people here with trucks and unsure what to get... Just get Duractracs if you're spending lots of time in the snow/ice but still want an MTR.

roastpuff 09-28-2018 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GabAlmighty (Post 8921046)
Just in case there's people here with trucks and unsure what to get... Just get Duractracs if you're spending lots of time in the snow/ice but still want an MTR.

What about the KO2/AT3W? I find those to be better on the dry road vs the Duratracs.

underscore 09-28-2018 09:15 AM

I've been told that KO2s tends to wear quickly on heavier trucks, and the Duratrac lasts longer. I replaced the KOs on my Cherokee with Duratracs, the performance was about the same but the fuel economy took a big hit on a light vehicle. I put KO2s on my 5000lb Grand Cherokee and so far they've been great but I've only had them on for about 7 months.

Great68 10-01-2018 02:36 PM

Question for you guys, would you say All-Weathers are better for rain/wet roads than full Winters?

I think it's about time I replaced the Xi2's I have on my Speed 3.

They've been pretty awesome on the few days they were exposed to actual ice/snow/slush in their life, but the other 90% of the winter that temps are hovering around 5-8°C and it's just wet outside they kinda suck.
I still want the snowflake rating, but just wondering if something like the Nokian WG4 might offer a bit better wet weather performance (with the benefit of longer tread life, and better performance overall in the shoulder seasons).
I can't find any real reviews that directly compare wet weather performance of full winters vs the all weathers.

I still plan on keeping my Super Sports for the summer months

GabAlmighty 10-01-2018 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roastpuff (Post 8921110)
What about the KO2/AT3W? I find those to be better on the dry road vs the Duratracs.

No experience with those tires. That tire definitely looks a little bit more road worthy so I would assume it's better on dry roads.

I drive 8 months of the year sub freezing temps, snow, ice so I don't really care much for dry road handling haha.

Jmac 10-01-2018 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Great68 (Post 8921582)
Question for you guys, would you say All-Weathers are better for rain/wet roads than full Winters?

I think it's about time I replaced the Xi2's I have on my Speed 3.

They've been pretty awesome on the few days they were exposed to actual ice/snow/slush in their life, but the other 90% of the winter that temps are hovering around 5-8°C and it's just wet outside they kinda suck.
I still want the snowflake rating, but just wondering if something like the Nokian WG4 might offer a bit better wet weather performance (with the benefit of longer tread life, and better performance overall in the shoulder seasons).
I can't find any real reviews that directly compare wet weather performance of full winters vs the all weathers.

I still plan on keeping my Super Sports for the summer months

I've found my winters are worse in rain than the all-weathers I've used (WR G2, WR G3, Nordman WR), but they're much better in the snow/ice.

For what it's worth, Consumer Reports recently updated their tire ratings to include several new All-Weather tires and they rated the Michelin CrossClimate + head and shoulders higher than any other all-weather tire in the Performance All-Season Tire category.


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