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Old 11-19-2018, 05:35 PM   #1301
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It did, but I mean, you're talking dedicated winter vs. UHP summer tire. I mean, they may as well have done racing slicks at that point. They're at polar opposites of the consumer tire spectrum (with polar results) and not representative of real-life decision-making as very very very few people who own cars that run UHP summer tires would ever even consider driving them in the snow and ice; those vehicles likely aren't even insured to drive in the winter.

Like you said, all-seasons would've been the better comparison, but no one seems to do those tests; it's always summers vs. winters.

I'd love a video that shows compares:
- expensive winters (e.g. Michelin X-Ice), cheap winters (no name/knock off Wal-Mart $40 specials), All-Weathers (e.g. Nokian WR), UHP all-seasons (e.g. Continental DWS), Performance all-seasons (e.g. Michelin Premier A/S), cheap all-seasons (Wal-Mart $40 specials)
- performance in a variety of conditions like: deep snow, light snow, compacted snow, wet snow, slush, ice (well below freezing and just above freezing), dry pavement at 4C, wet pavement at 4C, dry pavement at 10C, wet pavement at 10C, dry pavement at 18C, wet pavement at 18C


Man, that'd be a epic winter tire shoot out.
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which 4x4 comes with factory summers?
any bmw that comes with a sport package
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Jeep Wranglers that come with mud tires. I tried those mud tires in the snow by accident once, they were shit.
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we dont have the hills in richmond but most of the awd cars in richmond still have their summers on in the dead of winter, every year the same thing ....if they made one in mandarin i'd play it for a couple of the neighbors and some of the parents at the kids school (maybe even a couple of the inlaws )...
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It did, but I mean, you're talking dedicated winter vs. UHP summer tire. I mean, they may as well have done racing slicks at that point. They're at polar opposites of the consumer tire spectrum (with polar results) and not representative of real-life decision-making as very very very few people who own cars that run UHP summer tires would ever even consider driving them in the snow and ice; those vehicles likely aren't even insured to drive in the winter.
Not trying to be funny, but have you ever even been to Richmond??? The kind of decision making in winter time is nothing other than pure ignorance. Last year on the first snow day (I mean, not even enough to cover a gravel parking lot) I drove from the Tim Hortons on Bridgeport to iona beach (maybe normally a 13 minute drive? And I saw 3 accidents and about a dozen cars just left on the side of the road abandoned
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I even have a photo of how much snow was on the ground that afternoon lol. This was enough to cripple Richmond drivers (don’t mind those slide marks )


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I'm thinking of getting winter tire from Costco for the 2019 rdx. I've been lurking on this forum and it seems the Michelin xi2 isn't great (the only Michelin available on their website for the suv). Would the blizzak be better? (if they can order it)
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I'm thinking of getting winter tire from Costco for the 2019 rdx. I've been lurking on this forum and it seems the Michelin xi2 isn't great (the only Michelin available on their website for the suv). Would the blizzak be better? (if they can order it)
The DM-V2s are great tires. Very sticky and quiet on the road. Good road manners.
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So I got a flat and destroyed one of my Nokian Hak R2. Better yet, it's not being manufactured anymore. Fantastic, as this means I need to get a pair or a set of new tires.

From my researching, I decided to try some all-weather tires this time around. I prefer to have better rain stability over snow stability since I am afraid of the salt anyway. Got a set of new Michelin Crossclimate +. Will see how it goes.

And if anyone is looking for 3 Nokian Hak R2 in 225/45/R18 size, hit me up. Got them lying around now.
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Not trying to be funny, but have you ever even been to Richmond??? The kind of decision making in winter time is nothing other than pure ignorance. Last year on the first snow day (I mean, not even enough to cover a gravel parking lot) I drove from the Tim Hortons on Bridgeport to iona beach (maybe normally a 13 minute drive? And I saw 3 accidents and about a dozen cars just left on the side of the road abandoned
u can blame this on sales tactics as well. pretty much most car sales people will tell the potential buyer that the car has AWD and ull be good in the snow regardless if the car comes stock with all seasons or summers. my sales straight up told me if i choose the RWD version i'll need winter tires where as if i chose the AWD version its one thing i dont have to worry about
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AWD = magical invincibility in the snow. Don't question it.

Jeez, don't you know that?
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I'd love a video that shows compares:
- expensive winters (e.g. Michelin X-Ice), cheap winters (no name/knock off Wal-Mart $40 specials), All-Weathers (e.g. Nokian WR), UHP all-seasons (e.g. Continental DWS), Performance all-seasons (e.g. Michelin Premier A/S), cheap all-seasons (Wal-Mart $40 specials)
- performance in a variety of conditions like: deep snow, light snow, compacted snow, wet snow, slush, ice (well below freezing and just above freezing), dry pavement at 4C, wet pavement at 4C, dry pavement at 10C, wet pavement at 10C, dry pavement at 18C, wet pavement at 18C


most of the stuff I read is subjective feedback from consumers
or from manufacturer marketing

the word 'confidence' is often used

i'd like to see some objective data with as little bias as possible

preferably tested in Vancouver during December/January where temps fluctuate between thaw/freeze/thaw within a short period of time
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u can blame this on sales tactics as well. pretty much most car sales people will tell the potential buyer that the car has AWD and ull be good in the snow regardless if the car comes stock with all seasons or summers. my sales straight up told me if i choose the RWD version i'll need winter tires where as if i chose the AWD version its one thing i dont have to worry about
The manufacturers do this as well, look at the ads from Subaru. Raving about their stupid AWD system making you "safe" in the winter but they sell the cars with garbage tires. A friend bought one brand new a few years ago and ended up having an accident in the snow before the first oil change.
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A question that's somewhat related:

It just hit me that my RX-8 doesn't have TPMS. For the longest time I thought I have it. Must have mixed it up with my Accord.*facepalm*

So my question is, has anyone tried using an aftermarket TPMS solution? I know to check the tires once in a while, but sometimes I am in a hurry, etc. And may not pay attention. I'd like to avoid making another expensive mistake down the line.
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The manufacturers do this as well, look at the ads from Subaru. Raving about their stupid AWD system making you "safe" in the winter but they sell the cars with garbage tires. A friend bought one brand new a few years ago and ended up having an accident in the snow before the first oil change.
There was some thread last year I think discussing about AWD. I chimed in saying how I feel AWD is pretty much pointless in daily application, unless it's for a performance perspective (racing, launching off the line) or off-roading.

Most of the tests I see are with cars driving up ramps sideways or going on routes that no one actually experiences in the real world, trying to display how great AWD is.

So what's the point? Like others have said, so many "avg joes" are buying these AWD cars because they give false confidence, especially in the snow.
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So I got a flat and destroyed one of my Nokian Hak R2. Better yet, it's not being manufactured anymore. Fantastic, as this means I need to get a pair or a set of new tires.

From my researching, I decided to try some all-weather tires this time around. I prefer to have better rain stability over snow stability since I am afraid of the salt anyway. Got a set of new Michelin Crossclimate +. Will see how it goes.

And if anyone is looking for 3 Nokian Hak R2 in 225/45/R18 size, hit me up. Got them lying around now.
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So I got a flat and destroyed one of my Nokian Hak R2. Better yet, it's not being manufactured anymore. Fantastic, as this means I need to get a pair or a set of new tires.

From my researching, I decided to try some all-weather tires this time around. I prefer to have better rain stability over snow stability since I am afraid of the salt anyway. Got a set of new Michelin Crossclimate +. Will see how it goes.

And if anyone is looking for 3 Nokian Hak R2 in 225/45/R18 size, hit me up. Got them lying around now.
Have you tried a used tire store like Tire Exchange in Cobble Hill? They may have the same tire available (hopefully with similar tread remaining).
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Have you tried a used tire store like Tire Exchange in Cobble Hill? They may have the same tire available (hopefully with similar tread remaining).
Looked up and saw that they are a bit far away. My RX-8 doesn't come with a spare.

Still good to know, though. If I have trouble selling my tires, I can take them there then.
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Has anyone tried MotorMaster's Winter Edge tire? The design is pretty much identical to Coopers Evolution Winter tire.

Just looking at tires to maybe change out to.

Other options would be : Hanook ipike rsv, General Tire Altimax Arctic Tire

The Artic tire seems to be a little more popular though?
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So my question is, has anyone tried using an aftermarket TPMS solution? I know to check the tires once in a while, but sometimes I am in a hurry, etc. And may not pay attention. I'd like to avoid making another expensive mistake down the line.
Have never heard of anyone wanting to ADD tpms to their car. This is a first.

Bought Duratracs exactly 1 year ago... Will need new tires this time next year. Too many highway miles.
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Has anyone tried MotorMaster's Winter Edge tire? The design is pretty much identical to Coopers Evolution Winter tire.

Just looking at tires to maybe change out to.

Other options would be : Hanook ipike rsv, General Tire Altimax Arctic Tire

The Artic tire seems to be a little more popular though?
I used the RSV on my RWD G37s and was very happy with them.

My wife has a CSX with an older set of the Altimax, which has also dont very well and the tread life has been great.
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