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Liberal 226 57.65%
NDP 57 14.54%
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Conservative 66 16.84%
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Old 08-15-2015, 09:30 AM   #201
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When the Liberals were more central our system made more sense. If they stayed more central they'd be more likely to win, and the votes for the NDP and Cons would tell them how for to lean one way or the other on some issues. Of course that's unlikely to really happen, but it'd be nice.
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Keeping in mind The Conservatives made massive cuts to Stats Canada to track stuff like this, and massive cuts to CRA departments that tracked corporate tax evasion and offshore banking investigations.

His former tax advisor was caught stashing money offshore.
Wouldn't that suggest that the CRA is still effective even after the cuts? lol

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ok so a buddy of mine got this nasty smear campaign card in the mail just hating on Trudeau and his stand on abortion.


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how the fuck is something like this allowed to be even sent out in the mail? its fucking disgusting.. i bet the Conservatives are behind it.
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I think someone put it in the mailbox instead. There are no cambodian post markings.
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^ u do know that Canada post delivers flyers? None of them have addresses or postage either.

Don't remember exactly where, but some province Canada Post employees said they won't be delivering these
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The abortion thing was all over the news a week ago

Union, Canada Post reach deal over anti-abortion flyers targeting Trudeau - The Globe and Mail

The end result was some Provinces delivered them, some did not.

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Lomac made a great point. Conservatives are really the only choice for people on that side of the spectrum, where the other side has 3 parties with similar platforms and ideologies. I think a minority conservative win is a strong possibility this time around.
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im not a huge harper supporter, but that is a very stupid and misleading ad. firstly you have to consider there was a global recession in 2007 which harper can hardly be blamed for. second they post the deficit in 2013 instead of the much lower amount in 2014.
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Nobody voting for the Libs/NDP/Green party should be poking fun at the Harper deficit... the money spent did shield us (at least so far) from any reduction in the quality of our lives after the melt down in 07/08 (Compared to what many states in the USA endured and what many EU countries are dealing with).

Just wait and see how fast that deficit balloons with the left leaning agenda's of the other parties lol... those additional services do not come free.

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- You hate him for being him
- You assume he has some hidden agenda
- You just want someone else in power
- You like all the increased social spending promised by others (Green energy, CPP, Child Care, Health Care)
- You hate bill C-51 (Which Trudeau is for as well anyway... so meh)

I will say the first three reasons I gave are just stupid as fuck, the increased social services are not a bad thing.. but the cost of these programs should not be underestimated, and I think that's what a lot of voters are doing right now, living in the land of "grass is always greener"
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im not a huge harper supporter, but that is a very stupid and misleading ad. firstly you have to consider there was a global recession in 2007 which harper can hardly be blamed for. second they post the deficit in 2013 instead of the much lower amount in 2014.
since when did elections ads, become about stating facts
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Sometimes i wonder if these attack ads even work...

I mean, when the ad airs and delivers sick, utterly decimating, burns like "nice hair doe", are the conservatives all like:

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FYI: it's not an attack ad that's been put out buy a party. it's a political cartoon put out buy a news paper in the opinion section. All newspapers do it. They are making fun of all the ads Harper puts out.
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[QUOTE=jasonturbo;8671960]Nobody voting for the Libs/NDP/Green party should be poking fun at the Harper deficit... the money spent did shield us (at least so far) from any reduction in the quality of our lives after the melt down in 07/08 (Compared to what many states in the USA endured and what many EU countries are dealing with). Our stricter regulations on banks and other industries, which were put in place long before the Conservatives took power, played a big part in shielding us from the 2008 collapse. Most conservatives love deregulation.

Just wait and see how fast that deficit balloons with the left leaning agenda's of the other parties lol... those additional services do not come free. Cutting services has done a lot of damage to this country all so Harper could claim balanced budgets - which he couldn't even do. It will take a lot of effort and money to fix the damage done. Perhaps we should get the corporations to pay their fair share of taxes instead of moving profits to off-shore tax havens, hiring temporary foreign workers, increasing earnings for executives while keeping employee wages stagnant, etc.

There seems to be a number of typical positions if you're anti conservative;
- You hate him for being him not really, I even liked Bush occationally while disagreeing with pretty much everything he did as president. Harper seems to be pretty knowledgeable about hockey and the history of thd game, which I like.
- You assume he has some hidden agenda Like what? His agenda is pretty obvious and open if you know what to watch for. Actions speak louder than words and all polititians have an agenda.
- You just want someone else in power The people who talk soley about disliking Harper tend to not actually show up at the polls. #slacktivism
- You like all the increased social spending promised by others (Green energy, CPP, Child Care, Health Care) Far more damage is being done by cuts and it will cost much more than any savings made for political gains and "balanced budgets."
- You hate bill C-51 (Which Trudeau is for as well anyway... so meh) its been enough for me to consider other parties who didn't support it.

I will say the first three reasons I gave are just stupid as fuck, the increased social services are not a bad thing.. but the cost of these programs should not be underestimated, and I think that's what a lot of voters are doing right now, living in the land of "grass is always greener" [b]People are slowly growing tired of a shrinking middle class, widening income gap
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im not a huge harper supporter, but that is a very stupid and misleading ad.
As opposed to pretty much everything the Cons have been running so far?

I mean, I'm not particularly anti-Harper (not pro-Harper either, but most of the anti-Harper stuff floating around just feels horribly exaggerated), but the anti-Justin ads they've been running for months now just totally insult my intelligence.

Like, seriously, Steve, how stupid do you really think the voters are?
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Social programs aren't a bad thing and, if smart choices are made with the funding (I know, it's a reach for the government), you can actually have a measurable return on the investment over the long term.

Also, it's not like the Conservatives have slashed spending.
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- Earlier in this thread I debunked the myth of our tighter bank regulations with references... our regulation are almost identical to the USA in terms of how much they can leverage.

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- Cutting services has damaged the country how? Examples? Harper also did not commit to a balanced budget until this year.. though I doubt it will happen and it's padded with one-time only asset sales.

-Corporations moving profits to offshore tax havens??? You do realize most of the big companies in Canada are publicly traded right? They have a legal responsibility for disclosure, there is no way any of them are moving money to "tax havens" without the shareholders and regulators figuring it out.

- Increasing earnings for executives and keeping employee wages stagnant? Employee wages are as stagnant as you let them be... if you are a high demand employee, you get paid very well. Executives tend to get paid more because they are worth more... boot filler at Tim Hortons and people who repair pot holes for a living are paid according to the difficulty with which a company will have replacing them. You expect the Federal Gov. to regulate wage restrictions in a capitalist economy in a global market place? Does not work + it's not like any of the other parties are going to pitch earnings caps for individuals.

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- You like that Harper knows about hockey? Cool...

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- What is his obvious agenda then? To maintain our quality of life? Things don't seem any worse to me today than they were 10 years ago... actually my life is great right now.

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- How is more damage being done by cuts????? How have you been impacted?



Trash the debt all you want, but compared to the other G7 countries after the global financial melt down of 07/08 we're doing pretty good I would say.
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Social programs aren't a bad thing and, if smart choices are made with the funding (I know, it's a reach for the government), you can actually have a measurable return on the investment over the long term.

Also, it's not like the Conservatives have slashed spending.
Gov never ever make smart choices when it comes to social programs. I rather have the money in my pockets and decide how I want to spend it (IE hitting the gym ,swimming, eat more healthy thus save the gov money on health care).
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call me an asshole but when I drive past east hastings, I automatically vote against increasing social programs. Not a fan of low-income housing in prime real estate. Some people use it to become better members of society, most stay content with welfare wednesday.
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