So they made a forester xt CVT again

Can you really call it a wagon when it's the same length as the sedan?

Aren't wagon variants just a sedan with a "backpack" strapped on the back?

usually the length are the same off the top of my head

Yea, wagons are the same length as the sedan if not a tad longer and then hatches would be shorter

I always assumed they were longer? All the German wagons, the Legacy, etc all look to be a lot longer than the Impreza ones. The Impreza wagon just always looks more like a slightly longer hatchback rather than a wagon, maybe that's just the weird 45* angle they always give the rear making it look smaller.

Probably the long roof made it look longer.

my GC8 / GF8 (wagon) shared the same side skirts and rear bumper spats. so wheelbase wise theyre the same sedan vs wagon.

coupes for that era were same wheelbase too!

Legacy sedan and wagon share same exhaust systems and skirts.

E class wagon same deal. Only thing was the rear suspension was self leveling on the wagon version.

Only car I can think of is the Golf 5 door vs Golf Wagon - those were different wheel bases for sure.

Both the E46 and E91 wagons are the same length as the sedans.

Well I stand corrected, thanks guys. What defines something as a wagon and not a hatchback then?

estate/station wagon are boxier/full cargo length (mid-size or bigger sedans), hb typically are rounder with less trunk area (compacts)

Interesting comments. The Ford Focus sedan and hatchback are the same wheelbase. The wagon (not North America obviously, fucking cunts) has a 4” longer wheelbase. I’ll import the euro wagon focus ST in a few years once it’s legal

hatchbacks are just anything with a hatch, 2-door 90s integras used to be hatchbacks even though they looked coupe-like.

All wagons are hatchbacks, but not all hatchbacks are wagons; though many are.

a bit disappointed that the wing is mounted lower on the hatch and not part way up as in the earlier posts

clearer nonpromotional video shows wing mounted higher up the c-pillar

looks like a mild evolution of the FK8.

been really feeling that new 11 gen dashboard though. Some branded Recaros and a momo steering wheel will be great.

Hopefully everyone hates it so the value of my FK8 goes up hahahah

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Sure looks like a crossover to me

I don't think length is really relevant, although they usually are correlated just by the nature of design.

https://images.thetruthaboutcars.com.../pillaraaa.jpg

Hatchbacks generally only have 3 pillars. Some times the C is very thick, or the C and D are very close that it's almost merged.



Wagons will clearly have a D pillar, giving it a distinctive boxy look, like it could support another row of seats in the trunk. That WRX wagon has a D pillar like the cars below.

Current bid $111k usd. About an hour and a half left.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...gra-type-r-51/

We have now entered a world where a $150K CAD Integra Type R with painted mud flaps exists. Barely considered a "classic" and a showroom piece is worth nearly 6x it's original MSRP. Truly impressive for a stripped down econobox.

6600 miles, what a waste

Remember talking to a guy back in 2015 considering selling his 30,000km IT-R in the same color for $20k, but I was still in school and couldn't afford it :(

$112k ITR to add to their stable of an $61k AP2 and a $50k EM1. Nostalgia is a helluva drug!

There is a member on here with a PY ITR, he was thinking of selling to the right person. I wanted it bad but at the time it wasn’t the right move for me. 26k was expensive back then but now it’s probably worth significantly more. Single tear….

I like most of us probably kicked ourselves not picking up an ITR when it was under $15k. I seriously contemplated getting own hoping it would drop in price even further. Obviously that didn't happen lol. Now seeing EM1 going up on price I also kick myself for not picking up a mint Electron Blue I saw for 6500 roughly 8 years? Ago. Always wanted one. Now if 97 del sol Vtec ever starts going up in value I might as well literally kick myself selling mine for $3800 in 2013

Pretty sure your Del Sol VTEC can fetch more than $3800 now assuming its not a POS. Those Del Sol VTEC were quite rare.