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unit 03-17-2023 10:17 AM

cybertruck is such a dumb car.
creates a need for a truck for people who dont need a truck.
it's the escalade all over again.

68style 03-17-2023 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by JDMDreams (Post 9093478)
What's bad about it? I haven't driven the latest face lift one, but I drove a 21 and it seems fine. Coworker has one and no complaints either.

Crappy build quality, almost no range on the battery, harsh/bumpy ride, if you don't plug it in all the time and the drive battery dies, you have to take it back to the dealer to have it reset.

JDMDreams 03-17-2023 11:21 AM

I thought you aren't allowed to run the battery to 0% there's always a min to keep the battery health and it will auto charge if it gets low

mikemhg 03-17-2023 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by BaoTurbo (Post 9093412)
Plug in tech is seriously no good, IMO it felt like PHEV is a manufacturer's pilot program to test their EV technology out and shove it down customer's throats to be the test bunny. Then when everything matures and smooths out they roll out the real EV cars.

Crazy enough if was the first time driving one of these newer PHEVs.

Sounds like that Mitsubishi is garbage, but I assume other PHEVs work similarly?

I honestly believed the tech was better, I did not expect the battery to have the capacity of an iPhone :lol

I assume the general idea with these PHEVs is that you drive around the city for no more than 10-20 KMs and go home and charge for the day?

So essentially you get a shitty battery, and at the same time a shitty little gas powered engine? I dunno, I might be pivoting on my opinion on these current PHEVs if that's the case.

You have the option to turn the battery motor off and charge it back using gas while you're driving, however I'm not sure how much driving you'd need to do in order to recharge the battery.

All in all, I wasn't impressed. I don't see a PHEV in my future at least for a while here, thinking hybrid is a better option.

Alpine 03-17-2023 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by unit (Post 9093482)
creates a need for a truck for people who dont need a truck.

That is the majority of truck buyers today lol.

JDMDreams 03-17-2023 11:39 AM

A phev is a hybrid

tegra7 03-17-2023 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by 68style (Post 9093483)
Crappy build quality, almost no range on the battery, harsh/bumpy ride, if you don't plug it in all the time and the drive battery dies, you have to take it back to the dealer to have it reset.

Not to mention cheap as crap interior.

mikemhg 03-18-2023 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JDMDreams (Post 9093497)
A phev is a hybrid

Not exactly. PHEVs you can plug-in, hybrids you can't, that's what I more meant.

We live in a condo so the plugin functionality is pretty pointless for us, given the complete lack of battery capacity, and lack of ability to charge on a regular basis anyways (condo).

mikemhg 03-18-2023 01:12 PM

To add to this, apparently some PHEVs actually perform worse in terms of fuel efficiency than hybrids, once the electric portion has been depleted. Which is my case driving that Mitsubishi was about 15-20kms..

Given the amount of road trips we do in the year whether lakes trip in summer, or ski trips in winter, hybrid seems to be the much better option as opposed to PHEV, for us at least.

TypeRNammer 03-18-2023 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mikemhg (Post 9093573)
To add to this, apparently some PHEVs actually perform worse in terms of fuel efficiency than hybrids, once the electric portion has been depleted. Which is my case driving that Mitsubishi was about 15-20kms..

Given the amount of road trips we do in the year whether lakes trip in summer, or ski trips in winter, hybrid seems to be the much better option as opposed to PHEV, for us at least.

Initial reviews from the euro spec Mazda CX-70 PHEV mentions terrible fuel economy after the battery is depleted. Like about 500km on a tank of gas.

EDIT: Totally got the cars mixed up, meant to say Euro Spec CX-60 PHEV

jing 03-18-2023 09:05 PM

^ That's better than our Forester XT but we're about 80% city driving

roverT 03-18-2023 09:19 PM

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...51dda57b46.jpg
Went to try a Polestar 2 Performance today. Performance pack comes with Ohlins adjustable dampers, Brembo 4 pot aluminum brakes, forged wheels, 475ish HP and 500ish torques. All of that masked its 2,100kg weight really well. It felt tight and really well put together. More than quick enough to get around and surprise anyone who have left an open space for it to squirt into silently. I did expect more thrust when the price of a Model 3 Performance is cheaper. But then again a buyer of this car would probably appreciate more, excellent build quality over just plain power. The interior felt more cozy and it had an actual cockpit which feels more normal. But space was wasted because this chassis platform is based on an ICE model. I expect a second generation to have more usable space due to a transmission and driveshaft tunnel that doesn’t exist in EVs. Any Volvo diehard with the cash would feel comfy with this car.

I’m glad there is decent competition in the market to keep everyone pushing to create a compelling product. Once supply chains get way better than now, public charge infrastructure improves and pricing falls in line with the majority of people’s justification…more and more competition will be relevant.

Manic! 03-19-2023 07:01 AM

Really interesting car. Hope it goes into production.


Sandy Munro has invested in the company.


SSM_DC5 03-19-2023 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by roverT (Post 9093597)
... Once supply chains get way better than now, public charge infrastructure improves and pricing falls in line with the majority of people’s justification…more and more competition will be relevant.

Are there plans for all that by 2030?

roverT 03-19-2023 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by SSM_DC5 (Post 9093603)
Are there plans for all that by 2030?


I strongly believe if you're aiming for something, even if you don't achieve it, you'll still be somewhere further than where you started. If things are not good by that time I’m pretty confident that goals will change and be reassessed.

If Norway can start at 3% sold as BEV a decade ago and today over 80% sold is BEV with the goal of 100% in a couple years being hit early, I’m sure others can do similar but more aggressive incentives will need to be in place for that to happen. It’ll just be interesting to see what happens in the next five years, here and in many other places in the world where goals have been set which seem unrealistic but no matter what, progression will be made.

BaoTurbo 03-19-2023 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by SSM_DC5 (Post 9093603)
Are there plans for all that by 2030?

Everyone keeps telling me that, but do you trust the government? Lol

Alpine 03-19-2023 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TypeRNammer (Post 9093594)
Initial reviews from the euro spec Mazda CX-70 PHEV mentions terrible fuel economy after the battery is depleted. Like about 500km on a tank of gas.

It's unfortunate but true. We can probably expect < 30km of range from the CX90 on battery, and then > 12L/100km afterward.
Even the mild hybrid CX90 is officially rated at ~10L/100km. Real-world driving will be significantly worse.

JDMDreams 03-21-2023 10:22 PM

Wow saw an aryia on the street tonight and it's small just barely bigger than a Kia soul, and has the same bubble profile as a third gen crv.

RacePace 03-22-2023 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roverT (Post 9093597)
Went to try a Polestar 2 Performance today. Performance pack comes with Ohlins adjustable dampers, Brembo 4 pot aluminum brakes, forged wheels, 475ish HP and 500ish torques. All of that masked its 2,100kg weight really well. It felt tight and really well put together. More than quick enough to get around and surprise anyone who have left an open space for it to squirt into silently. I did expect more thrust when the price of a Model 3 Performance is cheaper. But then again a buyer of this car would probably appreciate more, excellent build quality over just plain power. The interior felt more cozy and it had an actual cockpit which feels more normal. But space was wasted because this chassis platform is based on an ICE model. I expect a second generation to have more usable space due to a transmission and driveshaft tunnel that doesn’t exist in EVs. Any Volvo diehard with the cash would feel comfy with this car.

I’m glad there is decent competition in the market to keep everyone pushing to create a compelling product. Once supply chains get way better than now, public charge infrastructure improves and pricing falls in line with the majority of people’s justification…more and more competition will be relevant.

I don't really like the proportions of the Polestar 2, an EV S60 would look much nicer to me

tegra7 03-22-2023 12:13 PM

Seen a brand new Toyota Crown EV at Langley Toyota a couple weeks back

Traum 03-22-2023 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by tegra7 (Post 9093852)
Seen a brand new Toyota Crown EV at Langley Toyota a couple weeks back

The rear end of that car is even more awkward IRL than in photos. :heckno:

radeonboy 03-22-2023 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roverT (Post 9093597)
Went to try a Polestar 2 Performance today. Performance pack comes with Ohlins adjustable dampers, Brembo 4 pot aluminum brakes, forged wheels, 475ish HP and 500ish torques. All of that masked its 2,100kg weight really well. It felt tight and really well put together. More than quick enough to get around and surprise anyone who have left an open space for it to squirt into silently. I did expect more thrust when the price of a Model 3 Performance is cheaper. But then again a buyer of this car would probably appreciate more, excellent build quality over just plain power. The interior felt more cozy and it had an actual cockpit which feels more normal. But space was wasted because this chassis platform is based on an ICE model. I expect a second generation to have more usable space due to a transmission and driveshaft tunnel that doesn’t exist in EVs. Any Volvo diehard with the cash would feel comfy with this car.

I’m glad there is decent competition in the market to keep everyone pushing to create a compelling product. Once supply chains get way better than now, public charge infrastructure improves and pricing falls in line with the majority of people’s justification…more and more competition will be relevant.

I missed the test drive event in Richmond but saw the BST 270 in person and it looked sharp. The 1-inch drop gives the car a much better stance and Polestar should ship all their performance models like that from factory.

https://i.imgur.com/lLouZlO.jpg

roverT 03-22-2023 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by radeonboy (Post 9093859)
I missed the test drive event in Richmond but saw the BST 270 in person and it looked sharp. The 1-inch drop gives the car a much better stance and Polestar should ship all their performance models like that from factory.

After driving the Performance, I agree. It’s kind of like how BMW M has a normal version and a competition version. Something to up-sell and make more profit while creating a couple classes within the performance division.

Hondaracer 03-22-2023 02:50 PM

I’ve always felt the polestar looks like a mashup between 3-4 different manufacturers base models lol

Great68 03-22-2023 04:04 PM

I dunno guys, I think I'm holding out for the BYD Han:

Built in Karaoke am I right?


lol


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