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Old 08-17-2018, 09:24 PM   #451
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$78k for a Model 3??? People have lost their minds.
Quite frankly though, isn't this like an industry trend?

I remember back in 2001 when I was a freshman in college, with 30k USD (45k CAD), I had a lot of car choices and if I was willing to go 50K USD (75K), I was balling out of control.

Today a 30k or even 50K USD (or equivalent in CAD) gets you nothing. A loaded freaking Odyssey is 50k CAD+.

Not sure where it started... but the "starting" price of the manufacturer is pointless. A starting price is literally dry of anything decent. And they bundle the options... so, you can't cherry-pick options you want. You either go bundled together with a whole bunch of things or you ain't getting it.

Tesla just took it to the whole extreme. Starting config doesn't exist. There's not a single Tesla 3 without extended battery or any "options" from factory on road.
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$78k for a Model 3??? People have lost their minds.
so you wouldn't want a 3.7 second car that you don't have to fill up with gas anymore?
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so you wouldn't want a 3.7 second car that you don't have to fill up with gas anymore?
I think if you have 78k to throw at for a car, the latter is only a side-line consideration.

for 78k, I would expect a car to have better build quality and design, of which I personally think the Tesla 3 falls short of. Heck, I would rather use 78k to get a new Genesis sedan and feel like a Korean drama CEO.
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so you wouldn't want a 3.7 second car that you don't have to fill up with gas anymore?
I'd trust the build quality of a Rubbermaid garbage can over a Tesla Model 3. It's also where Tesla stocks are going.
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Quite frankly though, isn't this like an industry trend?

I remember back in 2001 when I was a freshman in college, with 30k USD (45k CAD), I had a lot of car choices and if I was willing to go 50K USD (75K), I was balling out of control.

Today a 30k or even 50K USD (or equivalent in CAD) gets you nothing. A loaded freaking Odyssey is 50k CAD+.

Not sure where it started... but the "starting" price of the manufacturer is pointless. A starting price is literally dry of anything decent. And they bundle the options... so, you can't cherry-pick options you want. You either go bundled together with a whole bunch of things or you ain't getting it.

Tesla just took it to the whole extreme. Starting config doesn't exist. There's not a single Tesla 3 without extended battery or any "options" from factory on road.
Cars are actually getting cheaper when adjusted for inflation. A Corolla started at $15,625 back in 2001. Add inflation and it's 21,325.58 for the same car today. That's about $500 short of today's top of the line Corolla. Corollas start at $16,790 now.

But yeah, aside from Hyundai, base cars are pretty bare bone. When I bought my Sonata, my options were engine/NAV/sunroof. My Genesis didn't even have options for the 5.0L. If you wanted that engine, you got everything else.
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I'd trust the build quality of a Rubbermaid garbage can over a Tesla Model 3. It's also where Tesla stocks are going.
Based on this list of people who have actually owned a Tesla, i'd say Tesla owners are pretty happy with their purchase.

https://www.consumerreports.org/car-...-satisfaction/
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That survey is to be taken with a grain of salt though, it's about how satisfied you are with your purchase... and whether your choice is boring or derivative weighs heavily on the emotions involved in that feeling.

Also, what group of people are more smug and self-satisfied than electric car owners in general? They wouldn't admit being dissatisfied with their Tesla even if it spent half the 3 years in warranty repair.
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that ranking has chrysler 4 spots ahead of toyota
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i mean tesla is still an american car manufacturer. consumer reports put the model x in the top 10 least reliable cars...
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the S is getting long in the tooth (6 years old is basically dinosaur in BEVs but I admit it still looks plenty modern)

anyone who's willing to wait another 18 months for the infrastructure to catch up some more should cross-shop the P-car Taycan

its specs just announced today: 600hp, 500k range...to even think of the pedigree that will trickles down from the 919 Hybrid...dear lawd



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i mean tesla is still an american car manufacturer. consumer reports put the model x in the top 10 least reliable cars...
Yeah, i've heard the X is a nice vehicle but is/was quite prone to having issues. Being someone who has a Model 3 on order, ive seen far more positive reviews/comments on the 3 than negative. Take that for what you will.
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i mean tesla is still an american car manufacturer. consumer reports put the model x in the top 10 least reliable cars...
to be fair Tesla is more of a tech company than a traditional automaker

I would treat it like any silicon valley entity like AMD, Apple, etc.

I was supposed to get my Model 3 test drive today, but I tried rescheduling via emails and texts to no avail..
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Not sure where it started... but the "starting" price of the manufacturer is pointless. A starting price is literally dry of anything decent. And they bundle the options... so, you can't cherry-pick options you want. You either go bundled together with a whole bunch of things or you ain't getting it.
What are you talking about, the base model of most vehicles now come with the same equipment a loaded model had a couple decades ago. A Corolla now comes standard with cabin filter, backup camera, bluetooth, automatic lights, bajillion input touchscreen stereo, power windows, power locks, keyless entry, exterior temp, radar cruise control, and a truckload of airbags. Aside from A/C all the stuff you can add with higher trim levels or option packages is a lot less useful.

Maybe other manufacturers are different but I remember when the base model had manual locks, mirrors, windows, maybe a cassette deck and nothing else.
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Picking up my model 3 on monday! Pretty stoked to get it.
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This dude should be in jail:

https://www.tesla.com/blog/staying-public

Fake take-private bid announced during trading hours before exchange halt.

Funding not-secured announced after trading hours on a Friday.
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https://www.tesla.com/blog/staying-public

Fake take-private bid announced during trading hours before exchange halt.

Funding not-secured announced after trading hours on a Friday.
why?? he legit could've thought saudis and masayoshi could've funded them and now the deal fell apart

now if he traded shares after his announcement, thats another can of worms
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why?? he legit could've thought saudis and masayoshi could've funded them and now the deal fell apart

now if he traded shares after his announcement, thats another can of worms
Softbank and PIF fund have billions in stake in his competitor.

There's nothing legit about his announcement. Dude's just pumping stock so the convertible bonds automatically convert to equities. He doesn't have to pay coupons that way, probably because they have no cash.

This is the same behavior back when Valeant going bust. After trading hours news bomb at midnight.
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FUnding SECured lol

anyone notice the glass roofs of teslas have this red tinge in the rain. looks like shit on any colour excpet red
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Well, I picked up the Tesla today and this thing is awesome. It's going to take a minute to get use to the big display but it's fairly intuitive. Performance is fantastic, having the instant torque is perfect for city or highway driving.

My car was built this month and upon inspection I saw no panel gaps that would give me any reason to be concerned nor did I see any paint issues that made me ask to get them fixed.

Overall, it's a great car that all of you should go test drive and experience yourself rather than regurgitating bullshit that someone on the internet said about it.
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