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Old 02-15-2018, 11:05 AM   #51
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why not?
Because I can't go to the local Walmart at the age of 18 and buy a gun. I can't drive a car with a loaded gun on my lap. I can't walk down the street with a gun over my shoulder. I can't walk into a store with a loaded gun.


Mass shootings have nothing to do with the US having a larger population. That's B.S.
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I hear the shooter was trying to make america great again.




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^ don't make the shooter famous, Americas media making killers famous is part of the problem.

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You can buy an assault rifle in Canada.
There's no such thing as an assault rifle. I assume you mean a semi-automatic rifle, which by law is supposed to be pinned to 5 rounds. That can be removed but it takes extra work/knowledge to do depending on what it is.

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you have to be 18 years old and complete your PAL including restricted which is a 2 half day course or at least it was when I took it. There is a background check but I don't know how thorough it is.

It could happen anywhere in Canada just as easily as the US IMO.
To actually purchase restricted (handguns) you need a membership to a range and you're required to store them properly (locked up and not loaded). It's not like in the US where any idiot can get a gun and then they just leave them lying around all over the place.
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Because I can't go to the local Walmart at the age of 18 and buy a gun. I can't drive a car with a loaded gun on my lap. I can't walk down the street with a gun over my shoulder. I can't walk into a store with a loaded gun.


Mass shootings have nothing to do with the US having a larger population. That's B.S.
It's reported that it was this kids gun had and he had it for a while. Assuming someone is going to do what he did what affect did Florida gun laws have on this shooting? Even if he lived in Canada he could have bought a similar gun and had it in his home using it in the same way.

I don't understand how being born an American makes one more likely to go postal and do this, are you suggesting it's something in the food? Education system? Just asking the question why you think it's an American thing and not population based.
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There's no such thing as an assault rifle. I assume you mean a semi-automatic rifle, which by law is supposed to be pinned to 5 rounds. That can be removed but it takes extra work/knowledge to do depending on what it is.



To actually purchase restricted (handguns) you need a membership to a range and you're required to store them properly (locked up and not loaded). It's not like in the US where any idiot can get a gun and then they just leave them lying around all over the place.

Yes you have to be a member of a range but again that's pretty easy and cheap. I could drive 5 minutes down the road pay $50 and be a member of my local range allowing me to buy restricted weapons. It's nothing more then a formality. There is nobody checking on me to make sure I maintain that membership or taking my restricted weapons away if I don't.
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Because I can't go to the local Walmart at the age of 18 and buy a gun. I can't drive a car with a loaded gun on my lap. I can't walk down the street with a gun over my shoulder. I can't walk into a store with a loaded gun.


Mass shootings have nothing to do with the US having a larger population. That's B.S.
but the chart shows the US as having the 2nd highest incidence of non firearms related homicides too
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It's reported that it was this kids gun had and he had it for a while. Assuming someone is going to do what he did what affect did Florida gun laws have on this shooting? Even if he lived in Canada he could have bought a similar gun and had it in his home using it in the same way.

I don't understand how being born an American makes one more likely to go postal and do this, are you suggesting it's something in the food? Education system? Just asking the question why you think it's an American thing and not population based.
You can not get 30 round magazines/clips in Canada. The shooter not be able to get his pal in Canada.
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but the chart shows the US as having the 2nd highest incidence of non firearms related homicides too
Does not mean fire arms where not used. It just means they where not killed with a fire arm.
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but the chart shows the US as having the 2nd highest incidence of non firearms related homicides too
look at firearms related homicide for the country that holds 1st place to that category.
not a lot of correlation to firearms and high homicide rate there
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You could get mags easy enough.

The states is excellent at creating dummies. A kid like this could read some 9/11 conspiracies and be turned to violence. Outside of like, the unibomber, the level of intelligence of people who commit these acts is always quite low.
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Hmm that bottom middle picture though. Whats ahu akbar mean? something related to isis?

Also he was a registered democrat.

That's not from him And a group of white nationalists confirmed they trained him.
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To get your PAL in Canada, it is a requirement that the RCMP perform a background check on you. As I recall.

The gun culture in America is pretty different from that in Canada IMO. They have this sense of entitlement that it is their right to carry guns. Like how Vancouverites feel like their entitled to have reasonable rent and land ownership.
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Yes you have to be a member of a range but again that's pretty easy and cheap. I could drive 5 minutes down the road pay $50 and be a member of my local range allowing me to buy restricted weapons. It's nothing more then a formality. There is nobody checking on me to make sure I maintain that membership or taking my restricted weapons away if I don't.
True, but it's another step that makes it more difficult and time consuming to do. Same thing as the references, background check, PAL course, etc.
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I think it's so fuked that we're all so desensitized to this type of stuff. A decade ago we would all be butthurt over jokes and gifs of that karate chop for example. Now I can't be bothered lol. Actually lol'd hard at the chop
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My point was that the citizens have clearly chosen they DONT want any sort of gun control. So who is going to vote to make this big change?
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My point was that the citizens have clearly chosen they DONT want any sort of gun control. So who is going to vote to make this big change?
Do 90% of Americans support background checks for all gun sales? | PolitiFact Wisconsin

Look at the polls, 90% of Americans (including NRA members in a different study), support background checks. This is still not happening, NOT because the citizens don't want it, but because the lobbying groups at the NRA and bribed politicians won't do anything about it.

When 90% of people want something but are unable to obtain it, it kind of proves that America is becoming an oligarchy.
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They have 10 times as many people so you're going to see more examples of everything there. The gun control laws are different from state to state so you'd have to look at each state that has had an incident to make that comparison.

You can buy an assault rifle in Canada, you have to be 18 years old and complete your PAL including restricted which is a 2 half day course or at least it was when I took it. There is a background check but I don't know how thorough it is.

It could happen anywhere in Canada just as easily as the US IMO.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/w...rnational.html

Why are you focusing on the overall numbers when the number you should probably be looking at is the per-capita numbers of violent crime/death/gun problems/mass shootings.

The per capita numbers don't correlate with what you are trying to say.

The American background checks are a joke and super watered down. The guy who shot up the church in Texas a few months ago was actually dishonorably discharged from the military for some misconduct issues --> this was reported to the FBI to add him to the 'background-do not give gun' list. But there was a huge 4-5 month backlog so by the time it happened, he wasn't even on the list.

After the incident though, the backlog cleared miraculously and thousands of military personnel who had been dishonorably discharged were added to the list.
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The question I have is would people like Manic and all the other "we need gun control" shouters be happy if the USA adopted Canadian-type firearms laws?

The second question I have is whether that would bring American gun violence down to Canadian levels or would they remain higher, and if so, why?



Also, the problem with gun control arguments is the majority of people wanting gun control go all the way and want a complete gun ban, which forces ALL firearm owners to resist it. For some reason we always end up in binary discussions. Do I think the USA needs to make changes to their gun laws, ABSOLUTELY! Crazy people shouldn't be able to aquire semi auto rifles and handguns and carry them in public. If the changes mean all americans and canadians need to give up their guns, or go way overboard on regulating them to the point where law abiding people cant hunt or sport shoot, then I will fight against it.
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The question I have is would people like Manic and all the other "we need gun control" shouters be happy if the USA adopted Canadian-type firearms laws?

The second question I have is whether that would bring American gun violence down to Canadian levels or would they remain higher, and if so, why?

Also, the problem with gun control arguments is the majority of people wanting gun control go all the way and want a complete gun ban, which forces ALL firearm owners to resist it. For some reason we always end up in binary discussions.
Majority of people...? Is there evidence to back that statement up?

There are people who also want a ban on bump-stocks, on semi-automatic rifles, and on armour piercing bullets. There are lots of discussions and it is DEFINITELY not a binary discussion.
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