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since the shooter is alive and in custody maybe they can get a insight for the motive, also seems like he got his gun legit and passed background checks.
That is a good point. He did have a history of violent behavior, although nothing that might have been flagged by the ATF.
That is a good point. He did have a history of violent behavior, although nothing that might have been flagged by the ATF.
Actually his comment on FB about wanting to become a professional school shooter caught the attention of the FBI... For about a day
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I still didn't see anything that would have prevented this.
Can somebody show me which of our laws that would be?
Thanks
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I still didn't see anything that would have prevented this.
Can somebody show me which of our laws that would be?
Thanks
Honestly I don't think there is a way to prevent it. I like guns but I do think there's a fine line between practical rifles and pistols vs military grade rifles used for combat. They may be cool to use but there's no reason an average person should be able to walk in a store and buy such a high powered assault rifle other than the sake of they can so they will. Even in Canada where magazines are limited to 10 in a pistol anyone can figure out how to mod it to allow it to reach its full capacity.
Even with all the background checks that can be performed you can't catch someone who may snap one day. You can be a happy guy today then find out some bad news tomorrow and go in to depression and lose your shit.
I'm not sure if it was asked already, but what type of new gun control law do people suppose would have prevented this?
I'm genuinely curious.
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Same as we have in Canada.
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Go google gun regulations Canada
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I still didn't see anything that would have prevented this.
Can somebody show me which of our laws that would be?
Thanks
Canadian gun laws wouldn't have made much difference in the Florida shooting. He was a legal gun owner, if he lived in Canada he was legal age to get his PAL and could have been a legal gun owner in Canada as well.
Edit: I know someone is going to mention our background checks before issuing PAL. A guy I worked with who took the PAL at the same time as me has been off work twice for mental breakdowns, once for a year and once for 6 months. He's on heavy anti depressants just to get through his day and he got his PAL including restricted within 8 months of returning to work last time so those background checks aren't as thorough as you might think.
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I found that NRA video to be pretty disturbing. It actually made no sense to me. Coming from a guy it might not, since I don't have the statistical chance to be sexually assaulted. But I was thinking, what are the chances of being sexually assaulted on the street, vs the gun discharging by accident or having a gun taken by the assaulter.
Unless you're walking around with it in your hand at all times any weapon is useless in those circumstances. They're not going to have a bunch of time to dig around in their purse to find a gun or pepper spray or whatever. Not to mention only 28% of sexual assaults are committed by strangers*, and of those a fair number are likely spiked drinks.
You hunt with your guns. The shooter was not a hunter yet had a large arsenal of guns. Can you explain why?
I'm not a Hunter, but I have a lot of guns. I like to shoot steel and paper. Doesn't mean I would ever consider shooting a person.
Again, the problem is not the guns. My guns have never taken a life. It's the asshole loser psychopath who should have been aborted by his whore mother who is the problem.
Same old song and dance. Why bother having laws for anything then? People still drink and drive even though there are laws against it. If we can't stop every last person from driving drunk why bother trying to stop it at all? So what if it means less drunks on the road, so what if it saves some lives, it won't save every life so we're better off doing nothing. I'll bring up a bunch of articles right now about how some people actually drive better while they are drunk, there's no merit to them but I'll post it anyways because it supports my argument.
The Mental health problems plague the USA as a horrible epidemic much worse than the rest of the world for some reason.... =\
/sarcasm
Didn't mean that the USA is alone for having people with mental health issues. But when you mix those mental health issues with an irresponsible gun culture and easy access to firearms, it's a recipe for disaster....
I can picture TOS'd shooting me in the face while I sip on my espresso alongside originalhypa, that's for sure.
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Really though, I have no issues eating a deer. But I don't go out of my way to shoot one in the wild.
So the thought of someone taking out innocent humans sickens me. And therein lies the difference. The people who do this have no respect for human life or the pain they cause. Regardless of the tools they have at their disposal, some men just want to see the world burn and will stop at nothing to do what they set out to do.
They need to do something in America though. This is going to reach a breaking point, and that will not be good for the ol' US of A.
You would think after these types of events happen, that tighter restrictions or regulations are implemented until they stop happening. Instead, nothing happens and the problem perpetuates.
I don't think there will be change happening anytime soon to be honest. Thankfully I don't live in the country.
Same old song and dance. Why bother having laws for anything then? People still drink and drive even though there are laws against it. If we can't stop every last person from driving drunk why bother trying to stop it at all? So what if it means less drunks on the road, so what if it saves some lives, it won't save every life so we're better off doing nothing. I'll bring up a bunch of articles right now about how some people actually drive better while they are drunk, there's no merit to them but I'll post it anyways because it supports my argument.
Round and round we go.
that's not really an accurate comparison. there are laws against driving drunk that people don't follow. people are making broad statements tied to emotion like "tougher gun control" or "we need change" yet not actually explaining what gun laws or change could be imposed that would have prevented something like this.
nobody on either side of the argument wants something like this to happen. but without rational discussion/ideas you're not going to see results/change
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I wasn't even going to post, but it literally makes my brain numb listening to these same tired arguments.
"It's a mental health issue!"
"There's already too many guns, we can't do anything about it"
How are these arguments a full stop? Does anyone in the world thinks it makes sense that a 17 year old BOY, a kid who wasn't of legal age to drink, or vote for that matter, to be able to purchase a military grade assault rifle? It makes no sense.
Yes, we know there's already enough guns for every person in the States. But here's a tip. Guns degrade, they break, or are lost over time. The supply can eventually diminish if we enact changes to restrict the flow starting today.
Folks who try to argue this is a mental health issue, let me ask you this. Which do you think would be easier to fix? A mental health issue rampant throughout the States, or simply enacting laws to make it somewhat more difficult to purchase a firearm?
In a country with roughly 50 States, all of which can't even agree on simple health care policies, how in the world do you think the Federal Government could get all States on board to fund and tackle a mental health initiative? Where will the funds come from? To me, if seems the most simple method is to restrict the flow, through background checks, and licencing.
Barriers of entry work, that's why they are referred to as "barriers of entry", gun laws are a barrier of entry. It's a no fucking brainer here, Jesus.
But no, American should do nothing, the problem will fix itself eventually, right?
that's not really an accurate comparison. there are laws against driving drunk that people don't follow. people are making broad statements tied to emotion like "tougher gun control" or "we need change" yet not actually explaining what gun laws or change could be imposed that would have prevented something like this.
nobody on either side of the argument wants something like this to happen. but without rational discussion/ideas you're not going to see results/change
This is why people like you are part of the problem. You don't actually want any real discussion or ideas, you'll just sit there and say "unless you can prove to me without a shadow of a doubt that trying this will work, I don't think we should bother doing anything".
You keep saying no one's offering ideas, yet people are but you just pull out the same tired articles that go along with what you already believe and say it won't do anything. It's common sense man, the harder it is for someone to get a gun, the less shootings will occur. If you can't see that, or you have to go Google how what I'm saying isn't true, then I feel sorry for you.
Regarding actual solutions, I do agree that a PAL-like course, even though it's easy to pass, will deter enough people that don't really have a good or clear intention to have a gun.
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I still didn't see anything that would have prevented this.
Can somebody show me which of our laws that would be?
Thanks
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Canadian gun laws wouldn't have made much difference in the Florida shooting. He was a legal gun owner, if he lived in Canada he was legal age to get his PAL and could have been a legal gun owner in Canada as well.
Edit: I know someone is going to mention our background checks before issuing PAL. A guy I worked with who took the PAL at the same time as me has been off work twice for mental breakdowns, once for a year and once for 6 months. He's on heavy anti depressants just to get through his day and he got his PAL including restricted within 8 months of returning to work last time so those background checks aren't as thorough as you might think.
He was a loner with no parents. He would not have been able to get the two signatures required to get his pal. End of story.
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The FBI received a specific report in January that the suspect in the Florida school shooting could be plotting an attack, but agents failed to investigate the tip, the agency said Friday.
A person who was close to Nikola Cruz called the FBI's public tip line on Jan. 5 and provided information about Cruz's guns and his erratic behaviour, including his expressed desire to kill people and his disturbing social media posts. The caller was concerned that Cruz could attack a school.
In a statement issued Friday, the agency acknowledged that the tip should have been shared with the FBI's Miami office and investigated, but it was not.
FBI Director Christopher Wray said the agency was still reviewing its missteps. He said he was "committed to getting to the bottom of what happened," as well as assessing the way the FBI responds to information from the public.
"We have spoken with victims and families and deeply regret the additional pain this causes all those affected by this horrific tragedy," Wray said in the statement.
The FBI was also notified about a comment on a YouTube video posted by a "Nikolas Cruz" last year. It investigated the comment but did not determine who made it.
Fuck, people should just silence welfares posts, he's a dumb right wing Alex Jones kool-aid drinker that believes the president's are all lizards propped into position by the deep state
The FBI was also notified about a comment on a YouTube video posted by a "Nikolas Cruz" last year.
"It investigated the comment but did not determine who made it"
so is youtube monitoring themselves now?,there's no data base with emails linked to youtube accounts and the email with IP log in,Let alone IP addresses on the youtube account.....OKAY...
little strange the world's largest video Streaming service has no key features to track Somebody down making threats.
He was a loner with no parents. He would not have been able to get the two signatures required to get his pal. End of story.
He had the gun when his mother was still alive when he was 18 years. When his mom died he went to live with another family so in fact he could have had his PAL and the Rifle even if he lived in Canada. End of story.
• The AR-15 rifle used in the attack was purchased legally, at Sunrise Tactical Supply in Florida, according to a federal law enforcement official. The arrest report said Mr. Cruz purchased it in February 2017. “No laws were violated in the procurement of this weapon,” said Peter J. Forcelli, the special agent in charge for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives in Miami.
Since his mother’s death last year, Mr. Cruz was living with another family, said their attorney.
The family that took him in, the Sneads, had seen signs of depression in Mr. Cruz, but nothing indicated that he was capable of this kind of violence, Jim Lewis, the family’s attorney, said. The family had allowed Mr. Cruz to bring his gun with him to their house, insisting that he keep it in a lockbox.
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This is why people like you are part of the problem. You don't actually want any real discussion or ideas, you'll just sit there and say "unless you can prove to me without a shadow of a doubt that trying this will work, I don't think we should bother doing anything".
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Fuck, people should just silence welfares posts, he's a dumb right wing Alex Jones kool-aid drinker that believes the president's are all lizards propped into position by the deep state
there's that rational discussion..
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You're assuming he would've passed the PAL, and that the family would've let him keep the gun in a country that didn't have a gun culture like the US does. Even if Canada's requirements wouldn't have stopped this incident, what about all the others that have happened this year alone?
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You would think after these types of events happen, that tighter restrictions or regulations are implemented until they stop happening. Instead, nothing happens and the problem perpetuates.
I don't think there will be change happening anytime soon to be honest. Thankfully I don't live in the country.
Yet as someone else said, one guy tries to put a bomb in a shoe and now everyone has to go through those stupid scanners in their socks. It's the typical problem of not being different enough. If one person kills another and they're the same race, nobody cares. If one person beats up another and they're the same gender nobody cares. If one person kills a bunch of people in their home country nobody cares. But as soon as there's a slight difference everyone loses their minds.
Odds are the only way change might happen is if there are enough shootings by foreigners with legally purchased guns. Being scared of "terrorism" seems to be the only way America can get a damn thing done.
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little strange the world's largest video Streaming service has no key features to track Somebody down making threats.
I assume they could if they were asked, but they likely were never asked.
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