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Trump posting constantly, JD Vance on his way to Utah, flags half masting, moments of silence in senate...
Where was any of this when the Minnesota poiticians, ie: actual public servants like them, not some shock jock podcast host adding zero/zilch to society, got murdered? Trump didn't even go to their funeral.
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Kirk also said that empathy was bullshit and he couldn't imagine having any for his kids. He said it was a new age made up thing that causes a lot of damage.
If the thought of watching him die is repulsive to you then spare a few more thoughts to the kids he felt were worthy sacrifices for his rights and spare a few more thoughts to the kids who had to watch their classmates be murdered in even worse ways. Spare a thought for all the folks who are the victims of mass shootings - go take a look at how many there have been this year (there have been 9 just in Sept). Charlie thought it was just fine for these people to die and that more should die so the 2nd Amendment was protected.
We lower the flag for a ghoul like him but not for Melissa Hortman nor for the kids in each mass shooting. That's nuts.
Spare the fake outrage. You have never mentioned Hortman before, so you don't actually care either.
I wouldn't expect too much logical thinking from someone who thinks "India is going to overtake the USA" and that because "Trump wasn't seen for a couple of days, he was dead and this is a cover up". Typical knuckle-dragging liberal arts major.
Spare the fake outrage. You have never mentioned Hortman before, so you don't actually care either.
I wouldn't expect too much logical thinking from someone who thinks "India is going to overtake the USA" and that because "Trump wasn't seen for a couple of days, he was dead and this is a cover up". Typical knuckle-dragging liberal arts major.
on average 125 people are shot and killed in the US every day. What makes this guy special?
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The hardcore lefties who still condone or worse, justifying this shooting is really beyond me. It’s just absolutely disgusting.
I can’t even do that to my absolute most hated person in the world. Someone was brutally shot and killed for speaking what he believes. Regardless whether you agree with him or not, he’s a father, a husband, a son and a friend to some. It’s nothing short of evil to not feel sad about what happened.
And I thought liberalism was about acceptance and compassion.
You guys are truly the example of “you either die as a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.”
The hardcore lefties who still condone or worse, justifying this shooting is really beyond me. It’s just absolutely disgusting.
I can’t even do that to my absolute most hated person in the world. Someone was brutally shot and killed for speaking what he believes. Regardless whether you agree with him or not, he’s a father, a husband, a son and a friend to some. It’s nothing short of evil to not feel sad about what happened.
And I thought liberalism was about acceptance and compassion.
You guys are truly the example of “you either die as a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.”
Who are you even referring to here? I haven't read every post, but I don't think anyone is celebrating someone getting killed. People here may not be showing much sympathy, but why do you think that might be? How much sympathy has he shown? Do you even know what this person has said and done in his life? Do you even know who he is besides him being on your team of pedophiles and rapists?
It's normal to have sympathy for someone you know nothing about, that is a normal, compassionate thing to do. If you don't know anything about this guy, and the hate he has spewed for years, then sure, go light a candle for him. He was a father. If you do know what he was about, and still think he was a good person because of it, well that says more about you than I want to know.
Also I think it's normal to hate someone for their actions, like nazis, pedophiles, rapists, people who take great effort to spread racism, bigotry, misogyny, and hatred in their community. However I think it's NOT normal to hate someone for their skin colour, gender, religion, sexuality, etc. Just IMO
And anyway, HE is the one who justified this shooting, not anyone here. He literally said it himself - shootings are just part of living in a country with gun rights. He wanted the gun rights, and he acknowledged what came with it, and there you go. From his mouth to God's ear.
And btw literally as he was being shot, so were kids at a school in Colorado, due in part because of what he dedicated his life to. Yet here you are arguing with imaginary "hardcore lefties"
Who are you even referring to here? I haven't read every post, but I don't think anyone is celebrating someone getting killed. People here may not be showing much sympathy, but why do you think that might be? How much sympathy has he shown? Do you even know what this person has said and done in his life? Do you even know who he is besides him being on your team of pedophiles and rapists?
And anyway, HE is the one who justified this shooting, not anyone here. He literally said it himself - shootings are just part of living in a country with gun rights. He wanted the gun rights, and he acknowledged what came with it, and there you go. From his mouth to God's ear.
And btw literally as he was being shot, so were kids at a school in Colorado. Yet here you are arguing with imaginary "hardcore lefties"
You fuc*ing know who I was talking about. Don’t even act.
He supported the second amendment. The reason behind second amendment is to ensure that there is always a last line of defense against the very thing American’s founding fathers wage a war to fight for.
Do I agree with that given today’s environment? No. But I get where he gets his ideas and I agree to disagree. Just because he supports a perspective of gun rights that you don’t agree with, doesn’t mean that such horrendous act could be justified.
You suggested that he asked for it, or as hobz put it, karma. WTF does it have to do given the context?! Even if today something happens to a random dude or a politician I don’t agree with to death, I’d at least have the decency of saying RIP and/or my thoughts go out to the family.
Libtards are only compassionate when people share their values. If that’s how far their compassion goes, they should really stop pretending to be the side of caring. Because that’s fucking disgusting.
Yawn, what do you do all the other days dude? Do you only log in when something major happens to yell at everyone like they’re single minded when maybe 1 or 2 people here match the energy you’re throwing out?
I mean if you hate everyone here so much why bother?
He supported the second amendment...
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Just because he supports a perspective of gun rights that you don’t agree with, doesn’t mean that such horrendous act could be justified.
He literally said gun deaths are justified "and rational" in order to support the second amendment.
We are merely showing compassion for his perspective
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It’s all about acceptance until you think differently from them
So being a racist, homophobe, transphobe, white nationalist is just a difference of opinion? Paying for the buses which brought the Jan 6 protesters to DC so they could overturn the election is a difference of opinion and we should just talk it out?
Charlie Kirk said that if he had a 10 year daughter who was raped he would make her have that child. I think that's vile but I also think he's entitled to his opinion on that - it's his own child and it's not my place to dictate to him how he raises his family.
He said he thinks gun deaths are an acceptable price to pay for his right to bear arms. I also think that's vile but I also think he's entitled to his own opinion.
However he said that parents of transgender kids should be thrown in prison and he encouraged violence against them to his followers. He said that gay people are disease, he encouraged and funded an overthrow of a fair election, he said black women were too dumb and that white women should get their jobs, he said Jews were ruining America, he actively doxxed college professors he disagreed with and encouraged his followers to target them etc.
I'm happy to debate the former, not the latter. Your private opinions - the ones that don't affect others are yours. Your public opinions, the ones that cause harm to others, the ones where you encourage your followers to hurt people, the ones where you celebrate violence? Nah, go fuck yourself and enjoy burning in hell.
Haha I write that with tongue firmly planted in cheek, but it does ultimately highlight how disturbing and damaging his ideas were.
Most sane people on both sides of the political spectrum likely agree that the killing was not justified, regardless if you support the 2nd amendment or not.
However what Kirk has said where gun deaths are justified and rational, means that if you DON'T feel it is justified, then you disagree with his views and have to admit how fucked up an idea it would be to believe that.
If you do agree with his views and support what he says, then you can't also say that his death is not justified, otherwise you are the hypocrite.
Ultimately, the death is tragic and I don't feel it is justified regardless of beliefs. But I also think his views on gun deaths are fucked up and think he's a bad person to be promoting those ideas. I can hold both views with integrity.
The same cannot be said for those who espouse his views on gun deaths but in the same breath call people libtards if they don't show enough empathy for his death.
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Most sane people on both sides of the political spectrum likely agree that the killing was not justified, regardless if you support the 2nd amendment or not.
Yeah I don't know about that part, people are definitely more tolerant of people getting killed and shrugging their shoulders saying things like "meh he fucked around and found out" if it happens to someone who they don't align with. Much like so many people rejoicing when Luigi killed that CEO, the world isn't a better place now that they are dead, there's just another dude in line waiting to take their spot, and a few more kids who's dad ain't coming home now.
Unfortunately things are probably going to get a lot worse at this point, I imagine there will be more tit for tat occurences in the future here, I sure wouldn't want to be a public speaker in the states right about now.
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This guy was a podcaster that became the example he used for the importance of guns everywhere. You don’t have to be happy about it, but there’s no denying that someone who said deaths are worth it after kids being killed a school shooting isn’t really worthy of sympathy if he can’t even have it for innocent children.
They fly the flags half mast for a PODCASTER but won’t for the actual members of government that were murdered a couple months ago in Minnesota. If you don’t understand how that’s a problem, I’m not sure what to tell you. But the right continues with their crocodile tears and claims some sort of moral win as usual.
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
Yeah I already knew the Republican party is a piece of shit, it's just disheartening to see the average person following into the same trap of not giving a fuck too. If you see someone on the side of the road bleeding out and he has a MAGA hat on, in this climate the amount of people willing to stop and help them probably drops like a rock. Just on a human level things are getting gross out there all around.
I disagree completely, in your scenario everyone stops to help them except the most despicable person imaginable.
I don't celebrate Charlie Kirk getting assassinated, political violence just begets further political violence at the end of the day... but I also don't mourn him and I think he was a terrible person not worthy of national or even localized mourning beyond that of his family and friends.
I disagree completely, in your scenario everyone stops to help them except the most despicable person imaginable.
I don't celebrate Charlie Kirk getting assassinated, political violence just begets further political violence at the end of the day... but I also don't mourn him and I think he was a terrible person not worthy of national or even localized mourning beyond that of his family and friends.
Is that perspective so hard to understand?
It's already happening, did you see the video of that chick getting stabbed in the neck on the bus recently? Even after the dude took off people just sat there or got up and left. I guess she got unlucky with having a train full of the most despicable people imaginable sitting around her. On a whole people are a lot less willing to help or get involved with a stranger in need.
It's already happening, did you see the video of that chick getting stabbed in the neck on the bus recently? Even after the dude took off people just sat there or got up and left. I guess she got unlucky with having a train full of the most despicable people imaginable sitting around her. On a whole people are a lot less willing to help or get involved with a stranger in need.
This doesn't have anything to do with politics though but your example was someone wearing a MAGA hat - were you just choosing a random sample or trying to dog whistle at the Libtards? Hate crimes are far more common on minorities and LGBTQ+ than it is with MAGA hat wearers. Why couldn't you choose a more likely neutral example like someone overdosing on drugs?
re: the attack - I can't find video of what happen after the attack started but from what you've described this isn't uncommon anymore in big cities. We've become desensitised in large cities (this is a side effect of density - we're exposed to be more aggression b/c of how close we are to each other so we pull back from the world).
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