The gun didn't matter, they took it off him immediately. People are trying to use it to justify murder, which is hilarious because it's 1:1 the same people who fought for him being able to openly carry that gun in the first place.

Extra funny because the entire reason for the 2nd amendment was to fight EXACTLY THIS FROM HAPPENING.

"this isn’t a good look for ICE"

You don't say

he looks ethnic? muslim or something?

If you're a licensed gun owner why WOULDN'T you bring your gun along in case these ICE guys start shooting? The 2nd Amendment exists for this. (I'm not a gun rights supporter)

FWIW, Kyle Rittenhouse got himself an illegal AR-15, crossed state borders and killed 2 people at a Black Lives Matter protests AND drove himself home after. Later he was found innocent so precedent has been set about carrying weapons in public.

really? i never thought about it like that. it seems like just a huge catalyst for potential bam bam bam.

Whatever, stupid gun laws. stupid ice. stupid prez. stupid timeline.
This is why i take photos as a hobby now. The world has become 2000% down syndromey. i weep for the kids, im pretty sure they'll end up in some sort of a huge global bs war.

I can't square what looks like a claim that you're a moderate Conservative with saying that cold blooded murder by the state "isn't a good look". Only in America would it be considered a "radical" position to say that getting gunned down by federal agents in public like what happened today is wrong. Nowhere else in the developed world would accept this regardless of where they are on the political spectrum (except for the far right Nazi parties in Europe).

There is an abundance of evidence this month that ICE (and Trump) are ignoring everything in the Constitution to terrorise people - "isn't a good look" is the POV of a terrorist sympathiser, not a moderate Conservative.

This is totalitarian regime - a federal agent shooting/killing local citizen. With three years left in his presidency, it's heading towards a civil war. There has to be something like a Jan 6 insurrection happen against his administration but watch how Trump defend killing all rioters.

It seems to be the goal of this entire thing

Notable that the All Lives Matter crowd is siding with ICE on this.

Only if they are winning games against the USMNT.

I never brought up Jan 6, the guy was an idiot too.

I support law and order and law enforcement. Welp I guess I’m a terrorist in Canada now. Watch out for a Honda fit driving around town I might be going 10km over the speed limit

If this is the way you want to handle it, rather than self reflection, there's nothing any of us can say. Even when people like Supa put it in a much better way than I ever could.

I don’t believe in violence, unnecessary death, drug or crime. No one wants anyone to suffer. I don’t know how to say it, it seems everyone likes to virtue signal, but no one takes action. What do you all do on here other than rant and continue living in your million dollar properties? Dude you buy bootleg things from Temu/aliexpress/alibaba supporting China’s child labour, pollution and all that jazz. I don’t call you an idiot or any names. Continue calling everyone a fascist that do not have the exact same beliefs as you.

The stuff you see ICE doing in Minnesota is not law and order and law enforcement…

Yet your reaction to a crime - a murder clear as day - was to blame the victim for carrying a gun (soemthing he is legally allowed to do, and he never tried to use it, as they removed it from him before killing him)
I don't know what any of this has to do with what is going on in the US. Their government is literally murdering peaceful civilians. That is a fact that is being pointed out to you, and your response is to accuse "virtue signal" whatever that means?
I don't know what any of this has to do with what is going on in the US either. So I buy cheap products from China... So that makes it OK for the American government to murder civilians in the streets? I don't see the connection.
I didn't call you a fascist, that is the conclusion you came to yourself, and I supported it. You can call it "virtue signal" or whatever you want, but if you are in support of this type of action, then yes, you are in support of fascism. It's pretty black and white, with not much room for any other interpretation. Even if you admit "it's not a good look".

You know they are just trying to stir up a civil war distract from the Epstein files and have more gov control on the peasants, there's some interesting YouTube economic / historic videos about collapse of empires and the US is like on stage 5 out of 7 :ahwow:

He has the contitutional right to protest.

He has the contitutional right to carry a gun.

None of those are justifiable reasons for him to get shot.

The ONLY reason why shooting him would be justified is if he tried to harm someone with that gun. Did he? Based on the video, you can be the judge.

https://www.threads.com/@davidgriner/post/DTiiFULkfpN

From 10 days ago but still seems really relevant when it comes to how the Right/Conservatives have been going lately:

That isn't Jan 6 bro... that's Kyle Rittenhouse... you know the right wing white supremacist kid who exercised his 2nd amendment rights to bring a gun to a BLM protest/march for his "own protection" and then killed people and was found not guilty in a court of law after being taken softly into custody by benevolent police officers at the time because he was just defending himself even though he brought a massive rifle to an obviously tense situation to provoke other people?

I guess if the shoe's on the other foot..................

I never justified him being shot, I’m just saying ICE agents are now trigger friendly . Anything that they suspect will harm them will result in lethal force. Knowing that, why would anyone with a brain try to protest with a concealed weapon against them. They should assume that ICE agents are idiots and pussies in the first place.

Yea the dude deserves to be locked up.

I agree with the notion that if I myself were a protestor in the USA I wouldn't pick that particular moment to "test" my 2nd amendment rights as they were. That's an unfortunate decision on this guy's part... it was totally within his rights, but as he should have been aware of being a protestor, rights are not a thing that seem to matter anymore in the modern day USA.

If ICE is full of idiots and pussies maybe the answer is to fix ICE rather than to blame people for standing up to them?

As a self proclaimed moderate Conservative aren't you FOR individual rights and AGAINST government overreach? Yet you continue to victim blame.

Let me guess, you're not actually a moderate Conservative. You're for govt overreach when it's against people you don't like and you're against individual rights when it's being exercised (peacefully) by those you don't like.

ICE definitely needs more training and how to handle situations better. They seem to hire high school jocks. That’s what I meant when it wasn’t a good look for ICE. They should be trained better and their lethal actions do not continue to their cause of protecting their country.

Im not blaming the victim for standing up, he was a nurse and a good dude. Just wrong place at the wrong time.

As 68style said before “ Honest question: why is it so hard for you and so many other people spouting the same things to understand that 2 things can be true at the same time?

True: Good that Marduro is out.

Also True: One country deciding they don’t like another country’s leader and abducting him is bad.”

True: border protection is good, ICE agents are needed in US
True: lethal force shouldn’t be used

I’m curious, do you guys all hate ICE? I can see why they need ICE in the US. They just have a terrible image now from Trump. I don’t believe the backlash was as bad as before Trumps term

Yeah, definitely not a good look for ICE to be executing people in the streets.

https://i.imgur.com/gAh8dzV.jpeg