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CorneringArtist 06-14-2019 01:17 PM
The news1130 article was posted to Reddit, and while there is universal hatred of Harleys and loud exhausts in general, there seems to be a better (read: more sympathetic) understanding of the subjective issuing of VIs.

BIC_BAWS 06-14-2019 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by CorneringArtist (Post 8950950)
The news1130 article was posted to Reddit, and while there is universal hatred of Harleys and loud exhausts in general, there seems to be a better (read: more sympathetic) understanding of the subjective issuing of VIs.

To whoever posted it on Reddit, thank you. The last article with CTV, I posted, and that was a shit show to get our points across.




News 1130 article Facebook post (w comments): https://www.facebook.com/NEWS1130/posts/10157062045768145

snowball 06-14-2019 03:53 PM
This article was much more neutral and better written with the right points getting across. The CTV report was terrible and made us look like a bunch of whiny ricers.

BIC_BAWS 06-14-2019 04:03 PM
I would argue the DailyHive article was terrible and made us look like a bunch of whiny ricers

meme405 06-14-2019 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by jasonturbo (Post 8950917)
2. Where vehicles have been modified (IE: Modified vehicles with aftermarket exhausts)

My assumption is the example 1 would likely be successful with a civil claim and would be awarded damages... example 2 would not be successful with a civil claim and would not be awarded damages.

Having said all that, some people in this thread really enjoy "muddying the waters" attempting to confuse examples 1 and 2 for their benefit. Even if the VPD have "wrongfully" issued one N&O for VI to a 100% OEM vehicle it does not render their issuance of N&Os for VI to all vehicles as invalid (Especially those that are modified, even just a little...).
You can continue to make statements like "all aftermarket exhausts are illegal" or "all non-oem parts are illegal", but you are only making yourself look foolish, as there is nothing of that sort written in any part of the MVA.

Also your little flow chart is a VAST generalization, and nothing but someone with time and money is whats holding this issue up from going to distance in the courts.

320icar 06-15-2019 05:45 AM
My frustration is with shit like exhaust. There is a ticket for loud exhaust, but they go straight for n&o

jasonturbo 06-15-2019 07:14 AM
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You can continue to make statements like "all aftermarket exhausts are illegal" or "all non-oem parts are illegal", but you are only making yourself look foolish, as there is nothing of that sort written in any part of the MVA.

Also your little flow chart is a VAST generalization, and nothing but someone with time and money is whats holding this issue up from going to distance in the courts.
Well the first time someone with an aftermarket exhaust is able to successfully contest an N&O for VI I will be quick to admit that I was wrong.

Although the MVA does not explicitly state that all aftermarket exhaust are illegal, section 7.03 prohibits increased exhaust noise and outlet size, and section 27 limits exhaust noise to 83db... I can’t think of any aftermarket exhausts that wouldn’t be associated with increased noise or outlet size... unless the aftermarket exhaust is just an OEM replacement.

http://www.bclaws.ca/civix/document/...bc/26_58_multi

That flow chart was generated by the Province, I didn’t whip that up in Visio.

jasonturbo 06-15-2019 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by 320icar (Post 8951005)
My frustration is with shit like exhaust. There is a ticket for loud exhaust, but they go straight for n&o
I agree, but the argument from VPD would likely be that writing you a ticket for loud exhaust doesn’t force you to remove it, sending you for VI does.

Rich Sandor 06-15-2019 07:51 AM
The problem with the flow chart is that it does not show HOW the decibel test is to be administered. If you have ever used a decibelmeter, you would know what I mean. There are different weight settings, and distances, and rpms that will cause widely varying results.

It very much leaves the pass/fail up to the inspector. There is another section that deals with how to measure the decibels, but I would be willing to bet that 1/2 the shops with a VI licence dont even have a proper decibel meter.

320icar 06-15-2019 07:51 AM
@jason Not true, as proven by people who have taken their compliant exhaust systems through the inspection and passed.

jasonturbo 06-15-2019 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by 320icar (Post 8951012)
@jason Not true, as proven by people who have taken their compliant exhaust systems through the inspection and passed.
I don't recall seeing any of these examples?

Edit: Provided there are examples, if these examples involved an aftermarket exhaust that;

a) was louder than the OEM exhaust
b) had an outlet larger than the OEM exhaust

It should not have passed inspection, according to the MVA.

mb_ 06-15-2019 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by jasonturbo (Post 8951014)
I don't recall seeing any of these examples?
Only one I could think of off the top of my head is the FRS dude who bought his car from Weissach but imo, that's such a small percentage of cars that passed as is (that are modded) compared to the ones that had to have something changed to pass inspection

wing_woo 06-15-2019 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by jasonturbo (Post 8951014)
I don't recall seeing any of these examples?

Edit: Provided there are examples, if these examples involved an aftermarket exhaust that;

a) was louder than the OEM exhaust
b) had an outlet larger than the OEM exhaust

It should not have passed inspection, according to the MVA.
You can't widen the outlet of the exhaust by modifyjng it, but you can replace it with an aftermarket one that is larger because you arent cutting anything to widen it I believe. As long as the noise is within the limits set out, you would pass.

wing_woo 06-15-2019 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by mb_ (Post 8951015)
Only one I could think of off the top of my head is the FRS dude who bought his car from Weissach but imo, that's such a small percentage of cars that passed as is (that are modded) compared to the ones that had to have something changed to pass inspection
My coworker would likely have passed VI without any changes. He just chose to revert back to stock because he didnt want to pass and then get stopped again. He did not put any of the removed stuff back on and probably wont mod again just cause its not worth the hassle.

He also didnt want to risk failing it too and then wasting money to have to test again.

tokyoteleport 06-15-2019 02:19 PM
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Then meanwhile you have the idiot who started this doing this

VR6GTI 06-15-2019 02:23 PM
I think if I did something like that my dad would take me outback and kick the shit out of me. His parents and friends must be proud of him

danny_d19 06-15-2019 02:27 PM
would have been somewhat funny if it wasn't that donkey who cried all over Facebook for how he's been treated, threatening to sue Cain, then did nothing

Berzerker 06-15-2019 02:39 PM
Guess he never plans on driving that car again lmao.

Berz out.

!Aznboi128 06-15-2019 02:40 PM
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Then meanwhile you have the idiot who started this doing this
This is the most childish shit I have ever seen.

GabAlmighty 06-15-2019 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by jasonturbo (Post 8951006)
Well the first time someone with an aftermarket exhaust is able to successfully contest an N&O for VI I will be quick to admit that I was wrong.

Although the MVA does not explicitly state that all aftermarket exhaust are illegal, section 7.03 prohibits increased exhaust noise and outlet size, and section 27 limits exhaust noise to 83db... I can’t think of any aftermarket exhausts that wouldn’t be associated with increased noise or outlet size... unless the aftermarket exhaust is just an OEM replacement.
That right there indicates that a substantial amount of cars won't pass in stock form, i'll put the app back on my phone and see how loud my hemi is on a cold start. Furthermore, I don't think we've found a published guideline for measuring exhaust noise? I believe it's just been different police jurisdictions saying "this is how we do it".

JSALES 06-15-2019 03:37 PM
God, this kid is an idiot.

Traum 06-15-2019 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Rich Sandor (Post 8951010)
It very much leaves the pass/fail up to the inspector. There is another section that deals with how to measure the decibels, but I would be willing to bet that 1/2 the shops with a VI licence dont even have a proper decibel meter.
Hey Rich,

You mentioned that there is another section that deals with how to measure the decibels -- is that from the manual of the decibel meter? or are you suggesting the MVA or CVSE regs have included some sort of procedure and specifications as the official standardized method to measure exhaust noise?

When I first started looking into the exhaust noise issue, I couldn't find anything on standardized measuring procedure / protocol, and I was totally surprised beyond belief. When I later checked with CVSE regarding whether there is a standardized procedure, this is the reply from a CVSE program advisor:

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In BC, Designated Inspection Facilities are required to have a decibel meter device. The type of device is not specified as the inspection criteria provides the opinion of an inspector as to whether the engine and exhaust noise is greater than that made by other vehicles in good condition of comparable size, horsepower, piston displacement or compression ratio shall determine whether exhaust gases are expelled with excessive noise.

As a requirement of this inspection, the vehicle must be in a weather tight building equipped with proper tools, appliances, devices, manuals and documents. There is not a standardized procedure to reference, besides the noted information above for the inspector.

Traum 06-15-2019 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by tokyoteleport (Post 8951040)
Then meanwhile you have the idiot who started this doing this
FailFish FailFish FailFish

I am so pissed off to see this that I don't even have the right words to describe how pissed off I am right now.

SMH FailFish

twitchyzero 06-15-2019 05:21 PM
dont hate the playa hate tha game

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ptonN.W.A..jpg

Akinari 06-15-2019 05:46 PM
Apparently he drove his car to Driven as well...


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