Canadian politics thread

[JDMDreams]

I don't see any hot Ukrainian women that we bought, only hajib ones with 3 kids walking around.

[BIC_BAWS]

Our gov would rather rename the Pattullo bridge to something no one can pronounce than to actually enforce laws :clown:

[Traum]

As mentioned before, I don't have any issues with the renaming of Trutch Street into šxʷməθkʷəy̓əmasəm / Musqueamview Street -- at least people can say that Joseph Trutch implemented racist policies against Indigenous people during his time in office.

But with Pattullo Bridge, the fellow that the bridge was named after seems to be a person worthy of legitimate recognition. He was the BC premier that oversaw the original Pattullo Bridge's construction (during the Great Depression, no less), and he contributed to the initial WW2 wartime effort during his time in office.

This is exactly the kind of thing that pisses people off, esp those who are more conservative in their views.

[supafamous]

Originally Posted by Traum

As mentioned before, I don't have any issues with the renaming of Trutch Street into šxʷməθkʷəy̓əmasəm / Musqueamview Street -- at least people can say that Joseph Trutch implemented racist policies against Indigenous people during his time in office.

But with Pattullo Bridge, the fellow that the bridge was named after seems to be a person worthy of legitimate recognition. He was the BC premier that oversaw the original Pattullo Bridge's construction (during the Great Depression, no less), and he contributed to the initial WW2 wartime effort during his time in office.

This is exactly the kind of thing that pisses people off, esp those who are more conservative in their views.

I don't really see the point of renaming infrastructure BUT according to Wikipedia Patullo has quite a few things named after him:

The Pattullo Bridge is named in his honour, as well as Prince Rupert's Pattullo Park, Mount Pattullo, the Pattullo Range in North Tweedsmuir Provincial Park, and the Pattullo Glaciers in that range.

And apparently the argument being made to rename it started from his anti-Asian views during the war: https://www.ctvnews.ca/vancouver/art...ttullo-bridge/

Pattullo was vocal in his opposition to extending franchise to minority groups in the Province, both during and after his tenure as premier. The concern raised was that if Chinese Canadians[2] or Japanese Canadians[3][4] fight on behalf of Canada in WWII, these Canadians would return home and demand equal rights of citizenship.

In a trite and greatly exaggerated fashion he (Attorney General Gordon Wismer) suggested to Defence Minister J.L. Ralston, "the oriental vote would be the deciding factor in a great many constituencies and you would face the possibility of having Orientals in Parliament." In urging the prime minister to countermand any orders to call up Chinese or Japanese for compulsory military training, Premier T.D. Pattullo declared that British Columbia could "never tolerate" a demand for the franchise.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duff_Pattullo

[Hondaracer]

People going to look back at this naming shit in 20 years and think everyone was insane.

Just name everything a letter. It won’t take years of legislation and hundreds of thousands of dollars in discussion and consultation.

[bobbinka]

[Hondaracer]

Nah just not down with endless tax money going to pointless causes

The Trutch street thing took 4 years and an official ceremony that cost what, $50,000? $100,000?

[JDMDreams]

In before stolen land acknowledgement bridge, but I already saw they had some Indian artist put some fish on the walls on the Surrey side.

I wonder how my gps will pronounce this.

[Hondaracer]

Gotta say your land acknowledgement before crossing

[unit]

https://imgur.com/a/Ok1Sg9k

saw this the other day and thought of you honda.

bonus pic, bylaw officer giving the homeowner a hard time.

[Jason00S2000]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Gotta say your land acknowledgement before crossing

Canadian society runs on this wokeist ritual... it is what it is and it ain't changing anytime soon.

[JDMDreams]

I wonder if people even care about this. Like how much of Canadas population is real Indian, not some white girl metis benefits scam thing. Why are we bending over so much for 0.00001% of the population, but then we also bend over for the crack heads that pay no tax and also doesn't contribute to the society. Where's the China ching Chong bridge, or the blacks bridge.

[Gumby]

Originally Posted by JDMDreams

I wonder if people even care about this. Like how much of Canadas population is real Indian, not some white girl metis benefits scam thing. Why are we bending over so much for 0.00001% of the population, but then we also bend over for the crack heads that pay no tax and also doesn't contribute to the society. Where's the China ching Chong bridge, or the blacks bridge.

Lol sounds like Badhobz posted this!

[Jason00S2000]

Originally Posted by JDMDreams

I wonder if people even care about this. Like how much of Canadas population is real Indian, not some white girl metis benefits scam thing. Why are we bending over so much for 0.00001% of the population, but then we also bend over for the crack heads that pay no tax and also doesn't contribute to the society. Where's the China ching Chong bridge, or the blacks bridge.

Very smart people for hundreds of years have been practicing how to influence large populations and keep society stable... seems like wokeism just works to keep 99% of whites and 99% of natives mostly happy with the narrative.

[Badhobz]

Originally Posted by Gumby

Lol sounds like Badhobz posted this!

I am infectious! you stay around me long enough you'll turn into a jaded fat fuck who hates everyone

[supafamous]

Originally Posted by JDMDreams

I wonder if people even care about this. Like how much of Canadas population is real Indian, not some white girl metis benefits scam thing. Why are we bending over so much for 0.00001% of the population, but then we also bend over for the crack heads that pay no tax and also doesn't contribute to the society. Where's the China ching Chong bridge, or the blacks bridge.

The Massey tunnel replacement is getting a new name so now's a good time to start a petition to name it the Wing Wong Ching Chong Tunnel. I hope the sign for it is in rickshaw font and is red with some gold trim. Maybe a dragon wraps around it.

[Jason00S2000]

Originally Posted by supafamous

Wing Wong Ching Chong Tunnel.

Really wish someone would do a Richmond B.C. re-make of this classic film.

[bobbinka]

Sorry, It's not for railroads

[Traum]

Originally Posted by supafamous

The Massey tunnel replacement is getting a new name so now's a good time to start a petition to name it the Wing Wong Ching Chong Tunnel. I hope the sign for it is in rickshaw font and is red with some gold trim. Maybe a dragon wraps around it.

So what is the motivation behind renaming the Messy tunnel to something else?

I am not deliberatly trying to argue for argument's sake, and you've provide a good enough reason as to why the Pattullo Bridge should be renamed. But if there isn't really a good reason to ditch a name that already been in use for a long time, then it's just like pandering to the indigenous community and become disingenuous.

[JDMDreams]

Yeehaw to ching Chong tunnel

[Hehe]

Seriously though... this whole renaming thing is for show. It's all for "face"

What exactly does indigenous community get from it? Recognition of any sort? I drive quite frequently on the Sea to Sky lately and see all the signs for places in indigenous languages, and sure, I'm not a native person... but if I saw the sign in Chinese... would I feel any different? Not a single bit. Ok, you might say because I'm not a Canadian born individual so I wouldn't feel anything. I once joked with a Québécois buddy at work when I used to work on the East that he must really bad when we drove past certain part of Ontario and signs were no longer in English/French. And he's like "wtf are you talking about? There was French?!?"

Instead, why don't we do things like funding Indigenous language program, cultural lessons... etc. From what I get from my kids at school, they get maybe a day worth of special sessions to teach the pupils about it? So, if an indigenous pupil comes to their school, they are done with their culture. We don't need full immersion style kinda school, just special program for those who wants to participate. Like an hour or two after school. While at it, fund programs where kids from indigenous group could adapt better to our society.

We are offering all sort of program for them "ONLY" in their special zone. We basically locked them up in there. There's very little incentive to leave indigenous areas because they lose so much benefits. How can you expect them to integrate with our society?

This is the same with so many of our "benefits" programs. The people who receive them basically become dependent of them. They have very high incentive to stay in the program.

[westopher]

Damn a hehe post I agree with.
I think the renaming stuff is pointless to get upset about, but it doesn’t do anything meaningful. Any programs and education related things are where the money should go, and certainly indigenous people shouldnt lose 90% of their benefits if they don’t want to be confined to living on a reserve.

[Great68]

The BC School Curriculum now literally incorporates indigenous content and does require credits in indigenous studies to graduate.

"Starting with the 2023/24 school year, all students pursuing a B.C. Certificate of Graduation (Dogwood Diploma) must complete at least 4 credits in Indigenous-focused coursework."

"Students can fulfill this requirement through various options, including provincially recognized Indigenous-focused courses, First Nations language courses, and locally developed courses with Indigenous content"

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/e...nous-education

And people getting worked up over these name changes is hilarious. It's just a name. There are more important things to bitch about.

[Traum]

Originally Posted by Great68

The BC School Curriculum now literally incorporates indigenous content and does require credits in indigenous studies to graduate.

I was just gonna say this myself -- in the last 2 years in elementary school, my kid has had whole education units on indigenous contents. And it isn't like they just bring in a guest to do a talk or something. It is literally an education unit that lasts for a few weeks -- taught alongside other units, of course.

[CivicBlues]

At least if you rename shit into Musqueum/Squamish/whatever use fucking actual latin characters people recognize. It makes absolutely no sense why IPA is being used when no other language in the world uses it in their writing system.


Recently visited New Zealand and Ireland, both countries are in the process of reviving their "native" languages Maori and Irish respectively. Guess what? People seem to be generally supportive of that shit there. It's a lot easier to read their signs and use their place names on a regular basis without having to resort to things like @#&$&%^! in the name.




Imagine if they were naming cities today you'd have to get a special keyboard to tell people you lived in Coquitlam.