Canadian politics thread

[Traum]

Originally Posted by westopher

It’s the same as teaching kids to snowboard/ski on the mountain. You totally can teach your own kids. You can’t bring a private instructor (or be a licensed private instructor) teaching on the mountain due to liability issue.
This was an example of poor training of the staff to enforce the rule, not the rule itself being the issue.

In the case reported by the Vancouver Sun, I am not surprised the staff initially interpreted the mom to be someone offering private lessons to the kid bcos the child obviously looks to be of a different ethnicity (brown / black) than mommy is (white). So it might appear at first glance to the on-duty life guard that it was a case of someone offering private lessons to a child, which would violate Parks Board's rule.

From the news article, it is not obvious to me whether the mom had indicated to the life guard that she is the mother of the child. IMO, it wouldn't make any sense for her to not try telling that to the life guard. Whether the life guard believed her is another thing. Suffice to say, it seems likely that the life guard had doubled down on his decision that private lessons were being given, so he had threatened to kick the mommy out.

I'd say it is some sort of a blend between poor training and poor awareness of ethnicity and family dynamics. At any rate, the incident is unfortunate and shouldn't have happened.

[Gumby]

The problem is that many young people don’t have common sense and have trouble interpreting the rules.

[Hehe]

Originally Posted by supafamous

To some degree I'm surprised that we backed off on the retaliatory tariffs but I think the state of play has changed as well:

- Other than Canada only China went with retaliatory tariffs and China was prepared to go all out on that fight. Culturally and politically, China was willing to hurt themselves in order to hurt the US and the US has blinked. Canada has access to resources that would really hurt the US but there's no cultural appetite to endure hardship like the China.
- Without other countries playing the retaliation game it's hard to stand up to the bully. When Mexico and the EU backed off the idea it largely meant Canada was standing alone on this.
- We've seen that the US (Trump) is not in anyway logical - they only know how to escalate and extort, they don't know how to negotiate or discuss. In that game state, escalating stakes only works if you're willing to hold your breathe more and we've seen only China has the power to bring the US to its knees (it would have been pretty delicious to see though).
- The impact of tariffs on the US economy has taken a lot longer to filter through so the US wasn't experiencing enough pain to want to negotiate. We're only now starting to see the effects of tariffs on the price of goods and I suspect it'll be 2026 before we really see the pain for US companies and consumers. Bankruptcies aren't going to take off till next year.

So the retaliation card is no longer a useful card to play - it's only useful if the other side will back down and the other side isn't feeling enough pain yet AND they're just plain stupid.

At this point, a continued boycott by Canadian consumers remains the most viable strategy. Dropping US alcohol has hurt and reducing travel has hurt and neither (and others) will affect negotiations.

Bahaha... I just keep seeing lefties defending their elbows.

Of course, I don't know what goes into Carney's negotiation tactics, but so far, it seems that US just keeps getting its way.

It wouldn't shock me one bit that one day Carney just come out with an announcement of us agreeing most of US demands while still imposing some tariffs like EU had agreed to.

[68style]

It’s funny I was talking someone outside RS the other day and they literally said “and then there’s hehe who just comes in ‘hahaha lefties’ on every post”

Lol

[Manic!]

Originally Posted by Hehe

Bahaha... I just keep seeing lefties defending their elbows.

Of course, I don't know what goes into Carney's negotiation tactics, but so far, it seems that US just keeps getting its way.

It wouldn't shock me one bit that one day Carney just come out with an announcement of us agreeing most of US demands while still imposing some tariffs like EU had agreed to.

Multiple shipping companies in Europe have stopped shipments to the US. The US is a shit show right now.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/europea...pment-tariffs/

[VRYALT3R3D]

Originally Posted by Manic!

Multiple shipping companies in Europe have stopped shipments to the US. The US is a shit show right now.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/europea...pment-tariffs/

The de minimis rule essentially undermined US trade policy. When the stupid Liberal government in Canada increased the maximum value, it made Canadian retailers less competitive.

[Hehe]

Originally Posted by Manic!

Multiple shipping companies in Europe have stopped shipments to the US. The US is a shit show right now.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/europea...pment-tariffs/

Er... did you even read the article beyond the headline?

The fact still remains, everyone and their dog are trying to sell to US, because there isn't another economy large enough with the necessary consumption power on a per capita basis.

China was expected to replace US to become that world consumption superpower. But its economy is trash now. I was just in Shanghai a few weeks ago, and even though it's still as populous as ever, people just aren't spending money like they used to.

My usual go-to spot to host clients, a michellin starred resto in Shanghai used to need reservation a month in advance. Now I just called a night before and had window seat.

People are worried how their shit is going to get to the US, not they are refusing to sell to the US like you are trying to imply.

[supafamous]

Originally Posted by Hehe

Bahaha... I just keep seeing lefties defending their elbows.

Of course, I don't know what goes into Carney's negotiation tactics, but so far, it seems that US just keeps getting its way.

It wouldn't shock me one bit that one day Carney just come out with an announcement of us agreeing most of US demands while still imposing some tariffs like EU had agreed to.

I'm not sure what you think I'm defending here - I just laid out how things are different than they were at the beginning, was any of it not factual?

As for the outcome, what exactly are the US demands? It seems a given that we'll end up with some sort of agreement that looks like what everyone else is agreeing to but if that's the case then it makes sense to continue to drag things out as anything above our current effective rate (in the mid single digits due to zero tariffs on CUSMA goods) would have more impact than it does now.

[Gumby]

Originally Posted by 68style

It’s funny I was talking someone outside RS the other day and they literally said “and then there’s hehe who just comes in ‘hahaha lefties’ on every post”

Lol

What I also noticed is that the same 2-3 users keep talking about "elbows". So damn annoying, because they have nothing new to say...

[whitev70r]

Isn't this kind of 'people not spending money as they used to' a global world wide phenomenon? Probably due to uncertainly created by the US admin over random % o tariffs. I mean I see it in practically every sector from housing, to groceries, to cars, to tech toys.

In the US, who do you think are the ones spending big bucks right now?

[bcrdukes]

Originally Posted by whitev70r

In the US, who do you think are the ones spending big bucks right now?

Rich people like Badhobz

[68style]

Originally Posted by Gumby

What I also noticed is that the same 2-3 users keep talking about "elbows". So damn annoying, because they have nothing new to say...

It’s cuz the right wing feed on X is absolutely non-stop chock full of “Are your elbows still up, bitches?” and other such memes… minus the proper punctuation and grammar. It’s so low brow.

Same with the Sydney Sweeney thing, 2 people on my entire feed of 600+ were taking about it, both hardcore right wingers. TWO. Nobody else gave a fuck either way except all the 40-60 year old right wing dudes who think she needs a saviour cuz some weirdos on the hardcore left were crying about nazis. It’s absolutely mental.

[westopher]

These people create problems in their own lives because they have no personality or interests. Their whole existence has become “owning the libs” because they are miserable and are too arrogant, or too dumb to take any responsibility for their own happiness. The fundamental belief of right wing politics currently is that if the world isn’t working for you is that others lives getting better by comparison makes your life worse, so the only option is to make things worse for those that you blame for it.

[Hehe]

Originally Posted by supafamous

I'm not sure what you think I'm defending here - I just laid out how things are different than they were at the beginning, was any of it not factual?

As for the outcome, what exactly are the US demands? It seems a given that we'll end up with some sort of agreement that looks like what everyone else is agreeing to but if that's the case then it makes sense to continue to drag things out as anything above our current effective rate (in the mid single digits due to zero tariffs on CUSMA goods) would have more impact than it does now.

My message is that I feel sad you liberal supporters just keep justifying Carney's decisions. Of course... I understand it. You need to continue to justify your own decision. Admitting being wrong, however little, is hard by nature.

But look realistically, if today it was PP who is in power and this happens, would you still say the same thing? Will you give the same tolerance?

And I say continues tolerance because it is what it is. Here I quote your comment before, which I also commented on:

Originally Posted by supafamous

So far Carney's been better at politics than I expected and not as good at governing as I expected - his poll numbers reflect an electorate that's happy with what he's doing and he's largely sidelined the Conservative talking points by either co-opting some of their policies or just not playing ball on the fake outrage that they've tried to generate. PP is firing blanks right now - he's practically invisible and has nothing to talk about - if he's going to stay leader he's gotta find a talk track that makes the Cons relevant.

His reception amongst world leaders has been very warm and he navigated stuff like how there wasn't a coordinated G7 communique out of the summit pretty well - basically he's avoided leaving stuff on the table for the media to talk about (like when Gregor Robertson put his foot in his mouth about not wanting housing prices to drop - Carney handled it with his own response and the media dropped it almost immediately when it could have been a story).

On the governing side I think he's not been delegating enough to his cabinet but it might be the case that he doesn't trust them yet and he'd rather just do it himself or keep it to the PMO. The result is that some stuff seems to be moving a bit slower than expected and there aren't as many cabinet members that have been visible and selling the message of the govt (the poll numbers say it doesn't matter right now).

Read what you said and think everything that Carney has done since then. Is Carney really just moving slow? Or really... just have no skill to do whatever he said he wanted to do to get elected.

Because other than doing 180 on things that he said he's going to do and giving in to US demands to even get US to the table, I dunno what the fuck Carney & co has done in the last month.

[Badhobz]

Originally Posted by bcrdukes

Rich people like Badhobz

Hey! even i had to cut down. i only bought 1 hermes bag for my wife while in LA (south center in OC was downright dead this time around... pretty bad economy). I usually end up with 2 luggage full of trash.

[EvoFire]

Originally Posted by Hehe

My message is that I feel sad you liberal supporters just keep justifying Carney's decisions. Of course... I understand it. You need to continue to justify your own decision. Admitting being wrong, however little, is hard by nature.

But look realistically, if today it was PP who is in power and this happens, would you still say the same thing? Will you give the same tolerance?

And I say continues tolerance because it is what it is. Here I quote your comment before, which I also commented on:

I'm pretty sure you were the one saying arts degrees are useless. Yet you are ok with some one who has an arts degree to lead the country.

Your argument is just the pot calling the kettle back and cherry picking the parts that fit your narrative.

[supafamous]

Originally Posted by Hehe

My message is that I feel sad you liberal supporters just keep justifying Carney's decisions. Of course... I understand it. You need to continue to justify your own decision. Admitting being wrong, however little, is hard by nature.

Did I lay out anything that's factually incorrect about the current state of play? And did I say I support Carney's call on this? I understand why he did what he did but I have concerns about where it's all going. He recently said that he won't accept a "bad deal for Canadians" and I'm not sure he should be saying that as every deal being made is a bad deal right now, it's a matter of degrees.

Originally Posted by Hehe

But look realistically, if today it was PP who is in power and this happens, would you still say the same thing? Will you give the same tolerance?

No I wouldn't because PP has not demonstrated any evidence in his entire political career of getting anything done. Nor has he shown that any of his values or beliefs align with mine. The Conservatives are unserious about governing today - why should I provide them any tolerance? Give me a credible alternative (Erin O'Toole would have made a perfectly good PM - I might have even voted for him) and we can have actual discussions on the direction of the country. (Like what have you and the other loud mouth Conservatives here ever offered in terms of actually talking policy? All you do is whine about the state of the country and tell us how we're losers)

I didn't like Stephen Harper much at all but I can say that he generally ran the country reasonably well - I don't agree with things like the GST cut or his opposition to good science but things were fine, he was often a better than whatever the Liberals were offering. PP provides me zero evidence that he could govern as effectively as Harper so why should I give him any tolerance?

Originally Posted by Hehe

Read what you said and think everything that Carney has done since then. Is Carney really just moving slow? Or really... just have no skill to do whatever he said he wanted to do to get elected.

Because other than doing 180 on things that he said he's going to do and giving in to US demands to even get US to the table, I dunno what the fuck Carney & co has done in the last month.

I don't know what it is that makes you think that Carney has a blank cheque from me, for example, I've pointed out my concern about his spending plans as I don't see how the math will add up, I've pointed out that he's making big bets that I'm not sure will pay off, and I've said he's not using his team enough.

None of this has really changed much since what I said a couple months ago but it doesn't mean he doesn't have my broad support b/c he's doing a lot of other things right - in the past couple months he's still showing that he's better at politics than expected (witness his stellar approval ratings) and slightly worse at governing than I expected.

[underscore]

Originally Posted by Hehe

Admitting being wrong, however little, is hard by nature.

You make that very clear on a regular basis.

[mikemhg]

^That was one of the biggest pot calling the kettle black I've seen in a minute here

[Hondaracer]

https://globalnews.ca/news/11347976/...ukraine-2/amp/

Remember when everyone said the billions and billions donated would actually prevent this? In fact, the most per capita in the G7?



Fucking Mr.backtrack right here, jfc..

In his speech, Carney applauded “the leadership of the transformative U.S. President Donald Trump in creating the possibilities for peace.”

Everyone knew we were getting Trudeau 2.0 but it’s amazing how quickly it’s materialized.

[RevYouUp]

Originally Posted by westopher

These people create problems in their own lives because they have no personality or interests. Their whole existence has become “owning the libs” because they are miserable and are too arrogant, or too dumb to take any responsibility for their own happiness. The fundamental belief of right wing politics currently is that if the world isn’t working for you is that others lives getting better by comparison makes your life worse, so the only option is to make things worse for those that you blame for it.

Ehh, this goes both ways. Anyone focusing too much time on politics needs to focus on themselves more. They need to stop blaming the government for everything when we live in a first world country

[westopher]

I agree with that for the most part. The thing is being a Hispanic person in the US is actually being openly targeted by untrained, plain clothes law enforcement, so they can’t really just focus on themselves. That also makes non Hispanic people that give a shit about humanity angry. You can’t just focus on yourself when it comes to a problem like that making life objectively worse if you are affected or have a shred of empathy.

[CivicBlues]

JasonS2k gets banned and hehe comes out of the woodwork right on cue