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There are some legit questions and concerns. I'm not an anti-vaxxer but asking some doesn't automatically make you an idiot. In fact, if you don't ask some of these, I think that makes you the idiot. This is from one mainstream media source, NBC:
Pfizer's Covid-19 vaccine promising, but many questions remain
Pfizer's vaccine is a new type of technology that's never been used in mass human vaccination.
1. New type of tech that has never been used on human vaccination before. "The caution is that this would be the first mRNA vaccine to be used in humans, so it's important to look carefully at the safety data."
2. "We don't know anything about groups they didn't study, like children, pregnant women, highly immunocompromised people and the eldest of the elderly," Dr. Gregory Poland, director of the Mayo Clinic's Vaccine Research Group in Rochester, Minnesota, said.
3. It is also important to get a sharper picture of Pfizer's claim of about 90 percent effectiveness. This first analysis only included data on 94 confirmed Covid-19 cases, meaning there is no proof yet that the vaccine prevented infection.
4. Dr. William Haseltine, an infectious diseases expert and president of ACCESS Health International, agreed with that assessment. He predicted that if the vaccine indeed is proven safe and effective, it may work more like the flu shot.
"It's not necessarily going to protect you from infection, and it may not work for everyone," Haseltine said Monday on MSNBC. "But it should be useful for many people. And it should moderate the severity of disease."
5. It's also uncertain how long such protection might last. That answer can only come with time, as it's impossible to know yet whether immunity remains for months, a year, two years — or a lifetime. (For comparison, flu shots are generally only about 50 percent effective, while measles vaccines are up to 97 percent effective.)
Pfizer Inc's CEO Albert Bourla has said that the company is "not certain" if those who receive its vaccine will be able to transmit the coronavirus to others, just one day after the UK became the first to approve the inoculation.
In an ongoing meeting with NBC, when Bourla was asked by the host in the event that he will have the option to send the contamination to others on the off chance that he is inoculated, Pfizer CEO answered that "it should be analysed".
“Even though I’ve had the protection, am I still able to transmit it to other people?” NBC’s Lester Holt asked in an interview on Thursday night, prompting a startling response from Bourla:
''I think this is something that needs to be examined. We are not certain about that right now.'' said Albert Bourla.
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You know it's sad there is such a divide on this whole vaccine. I remember studying about Moderna back in the early 2010's and mRNA technology. It's really quite amazing stuff that has the potential to eliminate and cure a mass slew of diseases and ailments.
It's literal science fiction level technology, as a species we should be in awe of such a medical development, being used in a real world scenario in such a successful manner.
From what I hear of people who are actually working on the COVID unit @ VGH, there's mixed feelings on getting the vaccine first. Most seem to sound like they want to see how it plays out before having it administered on them, which I think makes sense.
I just find it ironic that the people who are so against a vaccine are the same that will happily stuff whatever garbage food into their mouths, while partaking in various other ancillary bad habits which also adversely affect their overall health, yet a vaccine takes paramount of the ultimate danger in their worldview.
You know it's sad there is such a divide on this whole vaccine. I remember studying about Moderna back in the early 2010's and mRNA technology. It's really quite amazing stuff that has the potential to eliminate and cure a mass slew of diseases and ailments.
It's literal science fiction level technology, as a species we should be in awe of such a medical development, being used in a real world scenario in such a successful manner.
From what I hear of people who are actually working on the COVID unit @ VGH, there's mixed feelings on getting the vaccine first. Most seem to sound like they want to see how it plays out before having it administered on them, which I think makes sense.
I just find it ironic that the people who are so against a vaccine are the same that will happily stuff whatever garbage food into their mouths, while partaking in various other ancillary bad habits which also adversely affect their overall health, yet a vaccine takes paramount of the ultimate danger in their worldview.
It's very odd.
Nobody here (afaik) is against the vaccine. We just think there's more to learn about it. I'm not even against rushing into it for the segments of the population that are at high risk.
Like you say, it's basically science fiction stuff. That itself should tell you something!
I guess this could be the end of animal farming for fur. Fine by me... I understand farming for food, since we need food, but for fashion? Wear cotton or something fuck
I think there should be a stipulation that if you kill an animal for food, if it's hide and other parts can be, they need to be used or there could be some financial penalty. Would also be stupid if we killed cows for beef, and then outlawed leather, but yeah, farming animals for fashion alone, seems like something we should have gotten past by now as far as society goes. Topic for another time, another place I suppose though.
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Westopher is correct.
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seems like you got a dick up your ass well..get that checked
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
So when a Doctor, who was the head of Pfizer's studies for vaccinations, comes out and says, "wait a minute, these chemicals don't seem right", you, keyboard cowboy, discards the an educated Doctor, that has years leading the pharma 'scientists' , you they say it's political (because that's the new easy way bullshit way to not have facts but supports your keyboard feelings),
For this one time, you don't throw "Trump" into one of your responses (called on that easy judgement over again and over again). You, who loves to hate, concedes now, that an elected politician" If it was a politician telling me that vaccines are safe then yeah, I'd like to hear what a doctor has to say."
Doctors, not haters, have spoken, and we'll always learn more for the better of humanity. Will you ever learn to stop your prejudice?
Now, my opinion - Piss off with your "Trump responses (because you have no logical response)" and sanctimony; when underscore said stupid people spew out the same ol same ol - that's you. You know it is, so enjoy your pithy relevance. I'll switch it up, doubt the rest here will, so reap what you sow.
Man, I know it's hard during COVID times but you really need to lay off the sauce.
Man, I know it's hard during COVID times but you really need to lay off the sauce.
Bill Gates can't wait to implant chip in your brain. You've got the cheques from him? I'm still waiting for my Soros's cheque to clear.
Science when it fits their narratives and bathe thyself in man-in-the-sky's blood otherwise.
I come back every few months and it still the same dipshits living in bumfucks nowhere spieling the same nonsenses: "hoax", "commies", "socialist", "5G". Even when their daddy Trumpito caught the vid and marched his ass to the hospital, the virus is still not real.
Just imagine how awesome it would be if they could invent the cheap tiny microchip that tracks an object's position anywhere in the world without a monthly fee. No more missing kids/seniors, no more loosing keys, no more stolen cars. No one could steal anything.
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Just imagine how awesome it would be if they could invent the cheap tiny microchip that tracks an object's position anywhere in the world without a monthly fee. No more missing kids/seniors, no more loosing keys, no more stolen cars. No one could steal anything.
I've dreamed of this since I was a little kid.. back when my bikes were being stolen each time I rode to Unwin Park in Newton to play baseball 30 years ago.. I actually thought we took a HUGE step forward with the invention of RFID and thought it would proliferate more amongst household items with the ability to track the location of valuable items.
Bill Gates can't wait to implant chip in your brain. You've got the cheques from him? I'm still waiting for my Soros's cheque to clear.
Science when it fits their narratives and bathe thyself in man-in-the-sky's blood otherwise.
I come back every few months and it still the same dipshits living in bumfucks nowhere spieling the same nonsenses: "hoax", "commies", "socialist", "5G". Even when their daddy Trumpito caught the vid and marched his ass to the hospital, the virus is still not real.
No one in this thread has made any such claims.
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MIT study: Covid-19 vaccines may be less effective for Asians
Do you guys even read the article?
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Using advanced machine learning AI methods that examined a form of vaccine similar to Moderna and Pfizer’s, the team found that the number of people whose cellular immune system is not predicted to robustly respond to the vaccine ranged from less than half of one percent of white
^ Like it matters, so many people who believe everything have fatigued to the point they’re like “YOLO” and getting together. I’m shocked by the number of people I know who do “all the right things” when out in public and talk the talk but they’re regularly laughing off having guests over and shit. Give you that “oh yah I’m naughty for Christmas / Bonnie Henry wouldn’t approve I guesssssss” type of shtick.
I’m still debating getting together with my family for Xmas..there would be about 6 of us total and all of us have very little exposure in everyday life and can facilitate work and social lives in a way that we have virtually zero exposure to strangers etc. Leading up to the weeks before Xmas.
I’m not going to pretend that there isn’t risk involved, but given the circumstances and our exposure I think it’s a very low risk. Fail me all ya like, eventually ppl gonna see one another one way or the other and if we can mitigate risk than it’s better than most scenarios. There are also family circumstances which make this holiday season seemingly more important than past or future ones for us, so there are further considerations than just “yolo let’s to get liquored up”
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My wife and I haven't seen our parents or siblings in months. Haven't seen any friends in-person since August. Doing our part, but we know that most people just don't care. I'm pretty gutted as Christmas is the money holiday for my family, but I was expecting this.
It's a disappointing measure of character. If you were just putting yourself at risk, or your family members who agreed with the risk, then yeah, that's your prerogative. If you plan on staying at home for two weeks afterwards, not going to work, not going to any restaurants, not going to Costco to meet happysilp, sure, you really aren't putting anyone else at risk, and your really no worse than someone that goes with the flow of traffic over the lions gate at 20 over. If you don't do those things, it just shows lack of regard for others.
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Westopher is correct.
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Originally Posted by fsy82
seems like you got a dick up your ass well..get that checked
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Originally Posted by punkwax
Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
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