^ I'm pretty sure there will be a booster shot, new vaccine as it continues to mutate. Doctors already said there's gonna be a wave 4 just how bad it gets this fall.

Booster shots won't be needed if we can stamp it out this year or early next year. But we all know that's not going to happen because there are some people holding us back.

I just want to say I appreciate @lighthouse being open and honest with his opinion. Being able to see a situation from different angles is always appreciated and helps us all understand things better.

I still personally disagree though.

This argument is a funny one about “but you might cause me to die because I’m fully vaccinated And you’re not!!”

Come on, non-vaccinated people having a 99.97 survival rate of COVID19 and you’re worried about Somone who isn’t vaccinated effecting you when you’re fully vaccinated? This is getting a little silly.

I completely agree with Westopher that in small, private companies it “may” be in your right to ask for proof of vaccination. Companies under 100 people or so generally do not have an HR department therefore I think you could easily ask potential and current employees to disclose their vaccination status and not risk any repercussions.

Large companies, unionized companies, and the public sector, there is no way in hell you’re going to have to prove anything.

That statement on the previous page of “if you can’t prove your vaccinated you’ll have to wear a mask” lol, yea fucking right.. that’s like the antithesis of that Jew star anti-vaccer thing I posted. You think a company is going to essentially publicly shame an employee who they can’t say has been vaccinated by forcing them to wear a mask all day long? Good luck

It isn't just anti-vaxxers holding us back. Another unfortunate and inconvenient truth is -- so far, only the wealthy countries have reliable access to the effective vaccines. The poorer countries have very poor access to those effective vaccines, and that reality just means the pandemic will continue to ravage them for some time. As the pandemic continues, new variants will emerge, and there will come a point when a new variant is fairly good at defeating the existing vaccines.

Add world travel and global economy to the mix, and you can guarantee the new variants will spread around. Countries with strong immigration programs -- Canada and the US immediately comes to mind -- cannot stop people from flying back to their countries of origin for whatever reason, nor can they stop them from returning, so the virus will continue to spread.

This COVID genie is out of the bottle already. I can picture how it might mutate to become less virulent over time, much like how many different diseases have done, but it ain't gonna go away ever. It has already made too large an established base.

Thanks for the shoutout, it's lightkeeper though.

We're living in the information age after all. We're all bombarded with information every day. Information is moving so fast that people do not have time to process them. I think this is why there are numerous opinions in this topic. These beliefs are based on these information. Scientific study shows this, this report shows that.

Personally, I believe this pandemic is at a tipping point in this information age. Things will be very interesting in the next few years.

What we cannot lose at this time though is respect from a man to a man. Whatever I said in this topic was just my opinion. I wish all the guys at revscene good health and all the best to your decisions on this topic.

The end is the beginning.

Nature's a bitch. Unless, it was man made.

I don't think this pandemic is going to end. Only going to get worse. Life will never be the same.

I hope I'm wrong. I really do, but have to be prepared for the worst. Nobody a year and a bit ago thought it would get to where we are now.

USA went back to normal life months ago

Yes but only because they decided to just not care anymore. Plus their yardstick of ‘a normal life’ is pretty fucked (there has been over 250 mass shootings in the us so far in 2021)

I’m glad Trudeau didn’t agree to open the border despite having a personal interest in it being open, latest information out of the USA and their no holds barred march toward freedom is that the most dangerous variants have completely taken over… so the people getting sick there now are getting really fuckin sick…

The fuck is going on in the Yukon? 71% fully vaccinated age 12+ yet it's now the 3rd highest infection rate in North America

All it takes is one mother fucker and a bunch of his unvaccinated friends, it turns out:
https://www.yukon-news.com/news/it-i...ovid-19-cases/

With such a low sample size the results can look a lot crazier than they are.
Sensationalist headlines. What’s the news gonna ruin people’s days with once covid is no longer the hot topic?

They should probably start reporting the bad drug crisis that has killed hundreds of more people than Covid.

It's going to be years of "Is this disease the next Covid 19? Here's 10 reasons why it's worse!" and "Get ready to cancel that trip you planned."


People will eat it up too.

I'd say the crucial takeaway out of this news continues to be -- it is extremely important to get ourselves fully vaccinated. It is the delta / Indian variant picking up steam down there in the US, so I wouldn't say it is new. Just 2 days ago, an English study has shown that both the Pfizer and the AstraZeneca vaccines are highly effective at preventing hospitalization (ie. severe COVID) due to the delta / Indian variant:

https://www.citynews1130.com/2021/06...nt-in-britain/

The 2 dose "scores" against hospitalization are:

- Pfizer 96%
- AstraZeneca - 92%

Even the 1 dose "score" is really quite good, esp for Pfizer:

- Pfizer 94%
- AstraZeneca - 71%

It is quite disappointing to see the US vaccination rate increasing more slowly now -- Google says it is only sitting at 44% now, and there is a definite slow down in vaccinations since mid April. At least Washington's vaccination rate is higher than the US national average (at almost 60% right now), but I'd obviously want to see it going much higher before I'd feel comfortable travelling down to WA again.

A good friend of mine, who lives in Edmonton, called me a few days ago to tell me he tested positive and is feeling most of the symptoms. Of all the people who shouldn't get it.......... he was pretty anal when it came to protecting himself against Covid. Contact tracers are puzzled. And, he was two days away from getting his second dose of Pfizer.

I told him if he hadn't received his first shot, he might be dead by now. He's in rough shape. Not as bad as another person I know, closer to home, who is in an induced coma in the hospital. Been in hospital for two months.

That won’t get the general public wound up though as most people either aren’t afraid of it or they just don’t care about the people dying from it.

Does anyone know if they're using Pfizer at Sunset, in Van? Thanks

Now I'm wondering if we really need a 2nd dose? Seems like the first does it all, for the mrna ones anyway

Yea but think of all the value they've created for investors

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1st dose gives you decent amount of immunity, 2nd dose makes it last longer.

For myself, I'd still totally go for the 2nd dose.

Also, keep in mind that those numbers are for protection against hospitalizations from the delta / India variant. They are not efficacy rating against infection (for the variant), and I would expect the efficacy rating against infection is going to be lower than the protection against hospitalization.

Additionally, while the policy announcements haven't been announced yet, I think we can pretty much guarantee that there will be far fewer restrictions for people who are "fully vaccinated" compared to those who have only received 1 shot (unless it is J&J, but that has not been used in Canada yet). So that'd be another incentive to just get both shots done.