coronavirus discussion

[GLOW]

been reading articles saying we'll need a 3rd boost of moderna after 6m or so?

wonder what's the plan for upcoming flu season.

[pastarocket]

Hmmm.


POINT ROBERTS, WA (NEWS 1130) — After months of being told it’s not safe for them to visit British Columbia, people in Point Roberts, Washington are wondering why they will be allowed to cross the border without being fully immunized against COVID-19.

That loophole contained in a travel advisory issued by the Canada Border Services Agency on August 5th has been flagged by longtime Point Roberts resident Brian Calder.

“It says US citizens/permanent residents who are not fully vaccinated and who are habitual residents of Hyder (Alaska), Northwest Angle (Minnesota) or Point Roberts (Washington) will be eligible to enter Canada to carry out everyday functions. It doesn’t have to be essential travel. The whole thing needs to be clarified.”


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[Hakkaboy]

Originally Posted by pastarocket

Hmmm.


POINT ROBERTS, WA (NEWS 1130) — After months of being told it’s not safe for them to visit British Columbia, people in Point Roberts, Washington are wondering why they will be allowed to cross the border without being fully immunized against COVID-19.

That loophole contained in a travel advisory issued by the Canada Border Services Agency on August 5th has been flagged by longtime Point Roberts resident Brian Calder.

“It says US citizens/permanent residents who are not fully vaccinated and who are habitual residents of Hyder (Alaska), Northwest Angle (Minnesota) or Point Roberts (Washington) will be eligible to enter Canada to carry out everyday functions. It doesn’t have to be essential travel. The whole thing needs to be clarified.”


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yeah that's stupid. Fortunately Point Roberts has a 87% vaccination rate, but still....

[320icar]

Point roberts should have been allowed in to Canada from day 1. Theyre land locked to us and I think it was extremely unfortunate they were blocked off from us.

[Manic!]

Originally Posted by 320icar

Point roberts should have been allowed in to Canada from day 1. Theyre land locked to us and I think it was extremely unfortunate they were blocked off from us.

They can always join Canada.

[JDMDreams]

^ we won't have cheap gas and shipping if they joined us

[Traum]

Originally Posted by Hakkaboy

yeah that's stupid. Fortunately Point Roberts has a 87% vaccination rate, but still....

IMO, the problem wasn't with PR residents. Rather, it was about creating a loophole where other Americans would enter into Canada by first travelling to PR.

But yeah, the whole PR situation has been beyond ridiculous this whole time...

[quasi]

Originally Posted by GLOW

been reading articles saying we'll need a 3rd boost of moderna after 6m or so?

wonder what's the plan for upcoming flu season.

I wonder if that's the vaccine companies pushing that? They'd say we need to get vaccinated every 3 months for eternity if they could get away with it.

[ssjGoku69]

Would like more details of the 3rd shot of Moderna. I have the Pfizer/Moderna cocktail, so... another shot of Moderna would be my second

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by GLOW

been reading articles saying we'll need a 3rd boost of moderna after 6m or so?

wonder what's the plan for upcoming flu season.

[SumAznGuy]

Originally Posted by ssjGoku69

Would like more details of the 3rd shot of Moderna. I have the Pfizer/Moderna cocktail, so... another shot of Moderna would be my second

I have the AZ, Moderna mix. I want my third shot to be Pfizer, gotta collect them all.

[twitchyzero]

Originally Posted by Traum

IMO, the problem wasn't with PR residents. Rather, it was about creating a loophole where other Americans would enter into Canada by first travelling to PR.

yes because there's hundreds of flights buses trains that pass through there

don't forget it's mostly seniors living there

we were willing to let some of their residents almost go blind or lose multiple teeth and threaten their only way of securing groceries and medicine

the amount of neglect from cbsa and the feds is appalling

only if your life was on the line was it considered 'essential'

Originally Posted by Manic!

They can always join Canada.

i'm sure it's that simple

[Traum]

https://www.statnews.com/2021/07/28/...ths-data-show/

This study on the Pfizer / BNT vaccine is basically saying that:

- the vaccine’s efficacy in preventing any Covid-19 infection that causes even minor symptoms appeared to decline by an average of 6% every two months after administration.

- It peaked at more than 96% within two months of vaccination and slipped to 84% after six months.

- Against severe disease, the overall efficacy of the vaccine was 97%.

- If the vaccine’s efficacy continues to decline at the rate observed in the paper, it would fall below the 50% threshold — a benchmark for vaccine utility — within 18 months of vaccination.

The results still need to be peer-reviewed, but based on the initial findings, it seems like requiring a 3rd booster shot could be quite reasonable.

IMO, the problem with administering a 3rd booster shot would one again be the massive inequity between the have's and have not's countries. I am not at all an all-loving bleeding heard leftard like Turdeau is -- in fact, I tend to consider myself at least kind of selfish. The bigger problem I see right now with 1st world countries continuing to gobble up the available vaccines for their own 3rd doses while the RoW struggle with vaccine supplies is -- until the whole world has been vaccinated to a sufficiently high level, the pandemic is still going to rage on -- at least at the poorly vaccinated countries. Worse is how new variants will likely continue to show up at these countries, and then they'll just come back to bite us (ie. the 1st world / vaccinated places) because the new variants are better at evading the existing vaccines.

So to me, the world has kind of reach at stage similar to what Canada saw when our first vaccines showed up. At the time, Canada was faced with the decision of whether to fully vaccinate a smaller portion of the population as quickly as possible? or we do focus on getting that 1st jab into as many people as we can? At the world stage now, the question becomes -- are we going to give that 3rd booster shot to the 1st world countries while starving the RoW from vaccine access? or are we going to try and help them to rein the pandemic in?

I am still a selfish prick, so I'd still want to get that 3rd booster shot when it is viable to do so. But I also think there is a need to get those hard hit countries a sufficient amount of vaccine so that the pandemic wouldn't spiral out of control and come back to bite us.

[Hondaracer]

They are in a different country. The logistics of point roberts isn’t Canada’s responsibility.

[Hondaracer]

To your post Traum, vaccine politics are also a huge consideration in third world places. And even places like Thailand etc. They are opting to purchase garbage sinovac etc. Our family friend who lives half the year there paid out of pocket to get his kid and Thai wife pfizer

Russia and China gonna roll through the 3rd world offering vaccines in exchange for infrastructure projects

[Traum]

I totally agree that the way PR was treated by WA and Canada was appalling. From the WA state gov, they should have offered more support to the PR residents instead of just letting their whole community and economy rot. From the Canadian gov, we should have come up with something that would allow PR residents come into BC, as long as safety precautions have been met -- like vaccination requirements / negative tests in addition to proof of PR residency or something.

Originally Posted by twitchyzero

yes because there's hundreds of flights buses trains that pass through there

don't forget it's mostly seniors living there

we were willing to let some of their residents almost go blind or lose multiple teeth and threaten their only way of securing groceries and medicine

the amount of neglect from cbsa and the feds is appalling

only if your life was on the line was it considered 'essential'

[SumAznGuy]

Originally Posted by twitchyzero

yes because there's hundreds of flights buses trains that pass through there

Same thing could/should be said about Alaska. Not like people are driving across the border to go to Alaska and stopping off at Jasper.

[Manic!]

Originally Posted by twitchyzero

yes because there's hundreds of flights buses trains that pass through there

don't forget it's mostly seniors living there

we were willing to let some of their residents almost go blind or lose multiple teeth and threaten their only way of securing groceries and medicine

the amount of neglect from cbsa and the feds is appalling

only if your life was on the line was it considered 'essential'



i'm sure it's that simple

75 per cent of PR real estate is owned by Canadians. One guys is trying to get PR to join Canada. i bet trump would have sold it.


https://globalnews.ca/news/6490982/t...erts-purchase/

[68style]

Wouldn’t that kind of kill their economy that’s all based on us going down there for stuff we can’t get up here?

It would just turn to a rich people’s waterfront property destination. I have a feeling this guy owns a lot of property there if he’s pushing for this lol

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by Traum

https://www.statnews.com/2021/07/28/...ths-data-show/

This study on the Pfizer / BNT vaccine is basically saying that:

- the vaccine’s efficacy in preventing any Covid-19 infection that causes even minor symptoms appeared to decline by an average of 6% every two months after administration.

- It peaked at more than 96% within two months of vaccination and slipped to 84% after six months.

- Against severe disease, the overall efficacy of the vaccine was 97%.

- If the vaccine’s efficacy continues to decline at the rate observed in the paper, it would fall below the 50% threshold — a benchmark for vaccine utility — within 18 months of vaccination.

The results still need to be peer-reviewed, but based on the initial findings, it seems like requiring a 3rd booster shot could be quite reasonable.

IMO, the problem with administering a 3rd booster shot would one again be the massive inequity between the have's and have not's countries. I am not at all an all-loving bleeding heard leftard like Turdeau is -- in fact, I tend to consider myself at least kind of selfish. The bigger problem I see right now with 1st world countries continuing to gobble up the available vaccines for their own 3rd doses while the RoW struggle with vaccine supplies is -- until the whole world has been vaccinated to a sufficiently high level, the pandemic is still going to rage on -- at least at the poorly vaccinated countries. Worse is how new variants will likely continue to show up at these countries, and then they'll just come back to bite us (ie. the 1st world / vaccinated places) because the new variants are better at evading the existing vaccines.

So to me, the world has kind of reach at stage similar to what Canada saw when our first vaccines showed up. At the time, Canada was faced with the decision of whether to fully vaccinate a smaller portion of the population as quickly as possible? or we do focus on getting that 1st jab into as many people as we can? At the world stage now, the question becomes -- are we going to give that 3rd booster shot to the 1st world countries while starving the RoW from vaccine access? or are we going to try and help them to rein the pandemic in?

I am still a selfish prick, so I'd still want to get that 3rd booster shot when it is viable to do so. But I also think there is a need to get those hard hit countries a sufficient amount of vaccine so that the pandemic wouldn't spiral out of control and come back to bite us.

This seems to be in line with how all vaccines work. It was never going to be a 'cure' it's just a way to get the disease under control. If everyone gets it, then it would essentially be a 'cure'. We've done it before with other diseases!

Hope we can do it before the world burns to the ground. Would be nice to only have one apocalypse to worry about

[SkinnyPupp]

After a cluster a week or so ago, Macau is currently testing their entire population, it's compulsory

So far they've tested 700K people, no positives

4K haven't gone in for testing yet, 2K have been contacted. 55 refused to be tested

If they don't get tested, they will have to agree to quarantine for 2 weeks. If they don't agree, I assume they'll be arrested and quarantine in jail or a locked down hospital

I know some people get mad for covid updates coming from other countries, but I found this pretty interesting.

[68style]

I was driving on highway99 today and at least half the cars had WA plates lol… incominggggggg

[westopher]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

After a cluster a week or so ago, Macau is currently testing their entire population, it's compulsory

So far they've tested 700K people, no positives

4K haven't gone in for testing yet, 2K have been contacted. 55 refused to be tested

If they don't get tested, they will have to agree to quarantine for 2 weeks. If they don't agree, I assume they'll be arrested and quarantine in jail or a locked down hospital

I know some people get mad for covid updates coming from other countries, but I found this pretty interesting.

I don’t know why anyone would get mad. It’s interesting, and provides perspective.
I’m not gonna lie. Things have sucked here, but they’ve sucked way more elsewhere, and way less elsewhere. It’s good to know what others are dealing with or it’s easy to get lost in your own bubble.

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by westopher

I don’t know why anyone would get mad. It’s interesting, and provides perspective.
I’m not gonna lie. Things have sucked here, but they’ve sucked way more elsewhere, and way less elsewhere. It’s good to know what others are dealing with or it’s easy to get lost in your own bubble.

Yeah I've been failed and called out for it, so I slowed down with the updates... And it's usually the people who whine the most about "turd" handling covid so poorly. (fwiw I think covid has accelerated the boomer transition for some )

Like how do you know if Canada is handling it good or bad if you don't pay attention to what other countries are doing?

I wish we had people from all over the world updating on what countries are doing, because you might miss stuff that is in media since they really only cover the big picture. I've been paying close attention to Japan in particular because I have a brother there and I used to visit several times a year

BTW just 2 minutes ago, HK said they'd do full population testing if there was another cluster.

It's a good way to prevent a wave from happening, and I support it. It's a huge advantage of being a city state with closed borders, you can really cut it off. Singapore should do it too, they keep getting fucked.

[JDMDreams]

I was just watching some vids on the China outbreak they are locking down hard. There's a new variant in the States too. Brace our butt cheeks. I think I should stock up soon.