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What’s the endgame? If we do 2-3 weeks of full lock down with everyone staying home, is that just to create a buffer for infection?
Those graphs are all fine and good but if you slow the curve of infection only to start opening things again in 3 weeks aren’t the numbers just going to spike again? The info on this type of stuff is severely lacking
My understand is it's to contain the pandemic, stop the spread and also slow enough so our healthcare infrastructure doesn't get overwhelmed and basically collapse. The good news is there is a few vaccines getting tested, the EU said one might be ready for Fall.
In my opinion we dropped the ball . Few weeks ago our airports had nothing set up to screen incoming passengers. If China and Iran had outbreaks we should have halted flights or had more strict screening at airports. It's a lesson for all of us and that is to act proactive and not wait until it gets worst.
What happens when it flares back up 6 months from now? We're gonna be in the exact same position are we not?
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What’s the endgame? If we do 2-3 weeks of full lock down with everyone staying home, is that just to create a buffer for infection?
Those graphs are all fine and good but if you slow the curve of infection only to start opening things again in 3 weeks aren’t the numbers just going to spike again? The info on this type of stuff is severely lacking
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Originally Posted by mikemhg
This is why people are saying that this isn't ending anytime soon here.
The initial estimate of 2-3 weeks was simply to calm people down, primary the markets. The truth is, our governments aren't able to tell the full reality here, heck even Trump finally admitted yesterday this could last until July/August.
The truth is this isn't ending for at least a month if not even longer.
Can you imagine the Canadian government announcing after 2 weeks that the social distancing can end, and within that first week we hear of new cases? That would be a literal PR nightmare.
There's no way we're going back to normal in 2-3 weeks from now.
the short version: no one knows with certainty
the long version: i dont think any entities actually believe they can wipe it out that soon. Several weeks would help tremendously to alleviate strain on infrastructure/systems, so healthcare workers dont have to practise battlefield medicine picking who gets to live who gets to die
having several weeks also limit asymptomatic spread
they're also wishing slightly warmer temps can slow the virus, doesnt seem realistic now
governments say 3 weeks helps buy time to develop vaccination but even 6 months would be incredibly optimistic for fda approval
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as I can hoon around in my car with gas stations open.
it's been great to go on cruises with little traffic and more affordable gas
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Originally Posted by MG1
I was at Willingdon Costco an hour ago. There was a long line up to get in. It was to control the amount of shoppers in the building. I got in right away, because I was there to pick up my meds from the pharmacy. I was supposed to be escorted to the pharmacy, but they said I could go alone. It was my grandfatherly trusting look. Anyway, there was a line up at the pharmacy, too, lol. It was quick, though. An hour previous to that I was a the downtown location. No line up.
willingdon still creek at opening yesterday already had crowd control...it was civilized madness busy but everyone was staying calm
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My understand is it's to contain the pandemic, stop the spread and also slow enough so our healthcare infrastructure doesn't get overwhelmed and basically collapse. The good news is there is a few vaccines getting tested, the EU said one might be ready for Fall.
In my opinion we dropped the ball . Few weeks ago our airports had nothing set up to screen incoming passengers. If China and Iran had outbreaks we should have halted flights or had more strict screening at airports. It's a lesson for all of us and that is to act proactive and not wait until it gets worst.
According to CBSA, we still have nothing set up the screen incoming passengers.
An interesting take, albeit bordering on conspiracy. However, if all the countries in the world China is probably the least likely to look out for the greater good of humanity
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he is doing this because chinese govt is promoting theories that virus is from USA. he is putting china in its place.
For once i agree w/ him
You can agree with him, but it's not his place to do that shit on twitter. China are run by evil cartoon villains, Americans don't need their leader to stoop to their level.
More than 'fighting back' all this will do is increase the amount of racism there already is towards Asian people. There's already people getting beat up for no good reason, and now their president is adding fuel to the fire.
I am constantly blown away by how utterly stupid this person is. I don't even get it. Is he trolling the world?
This is why people are saying that this isn't ending anytime soon here.
The initial estimate of 2-3 weeks was simply to calm people down, primary the markets. The truth is, our governments aren't able to tell the full reality here, heck even Trump finally admitted yesterday this could last until July/August.
The truth is this isn't ending for at least a month if not even longer.
Can you imagine the Canadian government announcing after 2 weeks that the social distancing can end, and within that first week we hear of new cases? That would be a literal PR nightmare.
There's no way we're going back to normal in 2-3 weeks from now.
BTW anyone in Burnaby that goes to Steve Nash Brentwood, they had to close down as there have been possible cases at that gym for COVID-19. They have decided to close to complete some "deep cleaning" and apparently plan to reopen later this week, which is frankly nuts on their part.
I guess anyway to avoid closure and having to give money back to patrons who are paying a monthly rate to the gym itself?
I got an email saying all Steve Nash locations are closed indefinitely till the end of this month.
Look at Singapore + Taiwan... any country that is not from asian (been thru extreme SARS), are still treating this as "vacation / time off"
Italy + Spain + germany + France are about 3 weeks ahead of us. If US + Canada is going to follow footsteps, then you'll see city shut down very soon.
Since we did shut down school, now borders, what's next.... Depending on how servere, US will have lock downs.. Canada will have outbreaks but I don't think it'll lock down eg// Nelson / Fort St. John / 100 mile house... so i wnat to see what's going to happen.
Canada can't go in and clamp down hard, it'll slowly strap the country down slowly.
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Poorly written tweet, but basically he's saying the sooner a country does a full lockdown, the earlier we'll be able to identify who has the virus, and they can be quarantined properly. Possibly as quickly as 2 weeks.
Still don't understand why they keep saying they are trying to slow down the spread... something like these need to stop immediately. The slowing down is just gonna drag on even longer down the road. When more people die from this Trudeau will have blood on his hand. A simple sorry will not cut it when he try to apologise at a press conference to the people and childs who lost their family during this. When he have the power to stop this thing dead on it's track right now.
Still don't understand why they keep saying they are trying to slow down the spread... something like these need to stop immediately. The slowing down is just gonna drag on even longer down the road. When more people die from this Trudeau will have blood on his hand. A simple sorry will not cut it when he try to apologise at a press conference to the people and childs who lost their family during this. When he have the power to stop this thing dead on it's track right now.
It's taking a half ass approach at the moment. Lock everything down for a month and maybe we can come out ahead. It's going to drag on if there are holes in this shut down.
That Tweet is stupid. China didn't want to bring everyone down like he claims, how fucking stupid is that guy? They did it because like Trump, at the time they didn't understand it, thought they could control it and develop a solution sooner than later. China is heavily dependent on the world economy just like everyone else.
It's taking a half ass approach at the moment. Lock everything down for a month and maybe we can come out ahead. It's going to drag on if there are holes in this shut down.
It should have been done, at the very least, a week ago. Probably sooner.
My personal opinion, it's already far too late to contain.
We already have a crystal ball seeing three weeks ahead in Italy.
We've done nothing different. I see absolutely no reason why we'd have a different outcome.
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Silver is the money of gentlemen;
Barter is the money of peasants;
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My cousin in Calgary has the symptoms, which are mild enough so far (no major breathing issues). She was in contact with someone who tested positive. She's 48
I realize this is a forum (and also RS), but man this is getting kinda wack.
Your (not aimed at anyone) anecdotal experiences do not reflect upon Canadian society as a whole. Most Canadians (except experts in this field, which I assume aren't fighting on RS) are just normal people trying to navigate through this shitstorm of something most of us never experienced before, trying to balance out living a somewhat regular life, doing what officials are telling us to do, and looking out for the health and safety of our loved ones while also trying to weed out the misinformation and downright bullshit that seems so prevalent this day and age.
Obviously it makes sense to look at other countries and their situations and responses, but you also have to realize that cultures, government policies, standards of living, etc., are all very different than here.
I'll use S. Korea as an example, because I'm Korean and my parents are currently there. They tested fucking everybody - we obviously can't do that here because Korea experienced outbreaks before and had a plan with resources and infrastructure in place. Then they traced back the steps of positive cases and informed people that may have been exposed, because they have so many fucking CCTVs and location tracking and all these things that we don't have in place here. Consensus is SKorea has a bit of a handle on things right now, and their response to this is mostly praised except a select group of people - fucking South Koreans. It's politically motivated but hardcore conservatives in Korea are outraged over the president's response to this - and are spreading misinformation like photoshopped images of the president using the wrong hand to cover his heart when singing the national anthem.
Let's leave that shit out of here. I see people fighting on FB because government said healthy people shouldn't wear masks, and how it's just a ploy because there's a mask shortage. Well fuck, if there really is a mask shortage, what is arguing about it going to do? Canada is not like Asia where wearing masks is a common thing because our air quality is far better than theirs, and therefore it doesn't make sense to have a huge stockpile of masks other than medical use. "But Hong Kong has a small outbreak because everyone wore masks!!" - maybe, but how is that going to help us now other than inciting panic and having shitheads steal masks from hospitals for people that actually really need them.
You also have to realize that we really do live in one of the best places on Earth - and that has produced a LOT of stupid, entitled people. Idiots that will block a busy intersection in front of a hospital so they can 'raise awareness' for something they have nothing to fucking do with. Idiots that will buy $70K worth of lysol wipes and flip them for huge profit at the expense of others because capitalism ftw! Idiots who hoard 400L of perishable milk and idiots who blatantly go to crowded places and bitch that their concert is cancelled.
"Locking down" is easy in theory but take a step back and think about it - who will enforce this? What about the idiots who scream "but muh human rights!". How is the economy going to survive when the government just shuts everything down?
"Trudeau is a pussy for letting Americans in!!" Have you considered that Americans really have no desire to come up here for leisure because their shit is also hitting the fan, haard? We ban Americans, the big cheeto down south retaliates out of sheer childishness because MAGA, and now there really is a food/supply shortage. Then you'll blame Trudeau for fucking us over!
It's a fucked up time right now, whether you think this is overblown or not. Just be adequately prepared as much as you can without being assholes hoarding shit you don't need, stay the fuck home if you're sick, and do what you're told by the government not because you're sheeple, but because it's the fucking decent thing to do when everything is so uncertain. Everyone is scared, if not of the virus than at least with all the sudden changes - but remember that there are people much worse off than you that actually may not make it through this, and lend a helping hand when you can. Be nice to retail workers, and be nice to elderly people and vulnerable people. Just be nice, and stop bickering about things that honestly don't matter at this point.
Fucking be what Canadians are stereotyped for being.
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Also stop buying all the goddamn meat, I can't feed my pregnant wife fresh chicken ffs.
nothing wrong with criticizing all levels of the government when we were literally caught with our pants down from failure to learn from places like italy
how do you go from low risk to state of emergency in a day? we fucked up that's how...waited until almost 200 cases and 4 deaths to get off our asses
just because we have stubborn/entitled individuals in the population doesn't mean we should sit idle and let the strain depopulate us
cultural differences? different standards of living? who cares, we are all the same in the end, rich or poor, chinese or italian-- the virus doesn't discriminate
That Tweet is stupid. China didn't want to bring everyone down like he claims, how fucking stupid is that guy? They did it because like Trump, at the time they didn't understand it, thought they could control it and develop a solution sooner than later. China is heavily dependent on the world economy just like everyone else.
Edit: repeated myself
Macleans article repeating similar message to that tweet:
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