[SnK1800]

https://youtu.be/KVIP8ohKvDI

[StylinRed]

So when the police beat back rioters n protesters you bitch bout them beating rioters/protesters
When the police maintain a presence but keep hands off the protesters you bitch n complain that they didn't beat back protesters/rioters and allowed them to do what they wanted to do

But you're missing the point, and that's the protesters/rioters wreaked havoc

[SkinnyPupp]

So when the police beat back rioters n protesters you bitch bout them beating rioters/protesters
When the police maintain a presence but keep hands off the protesters you bitch n complain that they didn't beat back protesters/rioters and allowed them to do what they wanted to do

But you're missing the point, and that's the protesters/rioters wreaked havoc
Police can crowd control without literally curb stomping them, kicking skulls, bashing people in the face with the edges of their shields, and firing tear gas into trapped crowds indiscriminately.

Nobody is complaining about the police trying to hold a line in front the LegCo building. It's all about how they did it. Go read the Amnesty International report (https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/asa17/0576/2019/en/) I posted.

Also when they go from excessive force to no force at all, it's obvious what their intentions are. And I wouldn't be surprised one bit if it was all started by agents provocateur.

[StylinRed]

Point is regardless of what they do ppl are going to bitch, and now that they look bad, they're pointing the finger even more... Typical

[SkinnyPupp]

Point is regardless of what they do ppl are going to bitch, and now that they look bad, they're pointing the finger even more... Typical
Do you know why they broke in? Do you know what they said when they got in there? No, because the media is only showing you the controversial vandalism and violence.

Compare vandalizing a building (which can be easily repaired) to having your freedom and liberty taken away.. Which do you think is worse?

And yes, people are going to "bitch". Because there are people on one side, and people on the other. Whatever goes against their "side" will be "bitched" about. But that's just "bitching" which is irrelevant. Having freedom taken away is much more important, and from the citizens who have no voice, they are going to find ways to speak up loudly.

Destroying property was not the right way to do it, but in the end, the statement being made should be the thing people focus on. The fact that the police let them in to do so, had a statement about it recorded 5 hours before the event, all that to me is more important than the broken windows and spray paint.

[Traum]

If anyone -- esp the non-Chinese readers -- is interested in understanding how the kids were lead to storm into LegCo (the legislative council building), please read the following (translated) article through:

The Regime That Devours Its Young Souls—the testimony of a local journalist (https://www.hkcnews.com/article/21799/%E4%B8%83%E4%B8%80%E8%A1%9D%E6%93%8A%E7%AB%8B%E6%B 3%95%E6%9C%83-21799/the-regime-that-devours-its-young-souls%E2%80%94the-testimony-of-a-local-journalist)

The original Chinese version is much better written -- the translated version is acceptably decent, and explains all the factual stuff as well as one could hope. But where it falls short is how it couldn't really capture the sorrow that pushes these young Hong Konger's through the edge :(

[SkinnyPupp]

https://twitter.com/RachelCheung1/status/1146456909353906178

This is how traitors should be treated SeemsGood

[SkinnyPupp]

Large scale protests are happening in Mainland China as well, this one against the building of waste incinerators in residential areas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqqEJ0sogcw

If you think HK people are brave for protesting, these people are putting their lives on the line. Anyone captured will probably never be heard from again.

More info on the protest (https://thediplomat.com/2019/07/environmental-protest-breaks-out-in-chinas-wuhan-city/)

[danned]

https://i.redd.it/qn4o8xncza831.jpg

[Raid3n]

even a small frightened animal with fight back viciously if cornered...

there are so few police in some of those shots that the crowd could have easily overpowered them.

[320icar]

https://youtu.be/BHdWP-8_OF4

Interesting comments and perspective. Although I’m neutral to pro HK, the speaker brings up a good point

[Traum]

Interesting comments and perspective. Although I’m neutral to pro HK, the speaker brings up a good point
Waaaat? Your comment right there just makes absolutely no sense. Exactly what point does that party mouthpiece say that has any value to it at all?

I couldn't stomach the bullshxt that he is spewing by listening to him do it, but I have read his remarks in printed form -- it's less repulsive that way. The lies and absurdity that was spewing from his mouth is despicable.

The Sino-British Joint Declaration is an international bilateral treaty signed by the UK and PRC, and as such, abides by all norms that are recognized in international treaties. It is not merely a historical document as this worthless pos Geng Shuang claims. More than any other country in the world, the UK has both a moral and legal obligation to ensure that PRC upholds the terms that have been illustrated in the Joint Declaration. PRC has obviously not been doing that.

[SkinnyPupp]

If anyone is still interested in what's going on here...

Another 200K people marched in TST yesterday. They focused on spreading the word in the mainland-tourist popular area, starting with the High Speed Rail, and going down Canton road. It spread down Nathan road.

Lots of speeches and chants in Mandarin. I think it's a good idea, showing the mainland Chinese that HKers have nothing against them, it's their government that they hate. I'm sure everyone is aware that there's been a divide between HKers and mainlanders through the years, with the perception that HKers generally have an elitist attitude due to the freedoms they are used to enjoying/not being brainwashed. But I think this is breaking down recently. This particular effort shows this I think. I was out of town last week, but I think they did something similar in Tuen Muen, near the Chinese border, last week.

https://i.redd.it/7jf318ekkv831.jpg

https://i.redd.it/3ewrtuvdvu831.jpg

https://i.redd.it/iugpipjanu831.jpg

Oh, and if you were ever wondering why police estimates are so much lower than organizers' and other estimates, this is how they count crowds:

https://twitter.com/alexhofford/status/1147788498231025664

You can tell she knows it's bullshit LUL

Around midnight, some protesters made it to Mong Kok, and police decided to take action.

There's lots of new footage of police being violent, pushing people, beating them, but more than anything they are berating people and acting in a very non-calm and aggressive manner. A few injuries, no rubber bullets or tear gas was fired AFAIK

https://twitter.com/galileocheng/status/1147896777103646720

https://twitter.com/lostdutchhk/status/1147929655275601922

https://twitter.com/xinwenxiaojie/status/1147961702828388352

https://twitter.com/phoebe_kongwy/status/1147925411453493249

This video is making the rounds.. To me it looks like he popped a bunch of xanax to calm his nerves, and maybe overdid the dose a bit:

https://twitter.com/lostdutchhk/status/1147927657595768832

[twitchyzero]

Interesting comments and perspective. Although I’m neutral to pro HK, the speaker brings up a good point

usually not a fan of the CCP spokesperson but when he told Ottawa not to be naive by asking our backup (Trump) to bring our detainees back :joy:

[teggy604]

Even the police officer are human and citizens. I wonder what they really think deep down.. Pro govt or just doing their job?

[Traum]

Even the police officer are human and citizens. I wonder what they really think deep down.. Pro govt or just doing their job?
From the various incidents through the June and July protests, we can see that many in the front line regular cops and anti-riot squad have a real and deeply ingrained hatred towards the protesters. No other cop would go and beat the shxt out of protesters when the protesters have already been caught and subdued, but many incidents of such behaviour has been observed among the HKPD. A similar attitude from these HKPD also exist towards the press, and attacks on front line reporters has only been getting worse. The most recent protest seems to be the worst of what has been observed so far in terms of police brutality and near-total lack of police professionalism. Really at this point, there are lots of licenced thugs with guns and anti-riot weapons that have been deployed to suppress the protesters. They are openly defying, under the camera, police policy and procedures. They are daring and challenging protesters to go on a 1-on-1 fist fight. They are attacking the press when there are no protesters around. I would not view these people to be police officers at all.

The reasons for this are many, and it is too lengthy to get into a full discussion here. Suffice to say that a general attitude among much of the HK public is the front line brutes lack the cognitive sophistication to perform proper policing duties, and yet they have been hired to serve as front line brutes precisely because of this trait. The higher ups are only catering to the wishes of HKCEO and Chinese security departments, so they, too, actively instill a sense of prejudice against protesters in their training, discipline, and general atmosphere in the PD.

[Manic!]

Bill is dead.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/hong-kong-extradition-bill-dead-1.5204792

[SkinnyPupp]

Saying it's dead is one thing. People want the bill to be officially scrapped

[whitev70r]

^ C'mon ... wth else do you want them to do? Kiss the feet of every protester? Lam said it was dead. Go back to work and get on with your life.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/hong-kong-extradition-bill-dead-1.5204792

Lam noted there were "lingering doubts about the government's sincerity or worries whether the government will restart the process in the Legislative Council." But she said at a news conference, "I reiterate here, there is no such plan. The bill is dead."

[Tim Budong]

she didnt use the word DEAD when speaking in Cantonese
im sorry its not good enough

all she needs to say is WITHDRAW INDEFINITELY. in Cantonese, Mandarin and English

https://twitter.com/EricCheungwc/status/1148419696514912257?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1148419696514912257&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediae mbed%2Fliveupdate%2F133sixros7tu5%2FLiveUpdate_7ca 80d58-a1f2-11e9-b84a-0e1c2e6985ae%2F0

[whitev70r]

So English in front of International press 'bill is dead' is not good enough?

https://youtu.be/foGv-TSpK6k

[Tim Budong]

becuz under the laws of HK
there is only withdraw or postpone.

https://www.legco.gov.hk/general/english/procedur/content/partk.htm#64

64. Withdrawal or Postponement of Bills

(1) The Member or public officer in charge of a bill may, by an announcement made in Council at the beginning of proceedings for its second or third reading, withdraw or postpone the bill. (L.N. 74 of 2005)

(2) The Member or public officer in charge of a bill may, by an announcement made in Council at the beginning of proceedings for the resumption of the second reading debate on the bill, withdraw the bill if -

(a) the purpose of the resumption is for making such an announcement; and

(b) such purpose has been so stated in the notice of the resumption of debate given under Rule 54(5) (Second Reading).
(L.N. 74 of 2005)

(3) The Member or public officer in charge of a bill may, in making an announcement for the withdrawal of the bill under subrule (2), address the Council on matters relevant to the withdrawal but no debate may arise on such an address. (L.N. 74 of 2005)

[SkinnyPupp]

^ C'mon ... wth else do you want them to do? Kiss the feet of every protester? Lam said it was dead. Go back to work and get on with your life.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/hong-kong-extradition-bill-dead-1.5204792

Lam noted there were "lingering doubts about the government's sincerity or worries whether the government will restart the process in the Legislative Council." But she said at a news conference, "I reiterate here, there is no such plan. The bill is dead."
It doesn't matter what she SAYS in a press conference. Until the bill is technically and legally withdrawn, it's not enough. It's not complete, and the threat still exists.

[StylinRed]

The threat will always exist... Even if she says it's withdrawn

[6793026]

Threat will forever be there EVEN if its eliminated, China will think of some crazy ass bullshit next time around.

It is dead. I don't understand why people are so SPECIFIC in having her to say "scrapped".

They won't ever say the word scrapped to minimize the effects of total celebration by the masses. This would encourage even bigger protests in the future.

As a reporter once said, no different than "hey you want to have fuck?" versus "hey you want to netflix and chill?"

[bcedhk]

As a reporter once said, no different than "hey you want to have fuck?" versus "hey you want to netflix and chill?"

which reporter said that?

And we are talking about legal representation, not opinion. Who's to say she can't go back a few months later to go back to the 2nd reading and telling press "I didn't say withdraw, I only said it was dead".

[originalhypa]

As a reporter once said, no different than "hey you want to have fuck?"

I think if anyone asked me if I wanted to have fuck, I'd respond like this.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/eeEyVZiVW_M/hqdefault.jpg

[Traum]

The refusal to use the offical, legal term ("withdraw") is not at all surprising, given Lam's past track record. When she was 2nd in command, she has steadfastly refused to use a correct term during the political reform proposal -- the correct term there should have been "5 part procedure" / 五部曲, but she had used "5 step procedure" / 五步曲. Even when she had been called out by multiple legislators on the literary error, she had still refused to budge. You may think it is a small and insignificant thing, but it is like calling a donkey a horse, so it is wrong. Worse yet, it's a sign of her arrogance and refusal to admit to her own mistakes.

Undoubtedly, the refusal to use "withdraw" could have legal ramifications. At the same time as others have pointed out, the bill could still get re-tabled even if Lam has used "withdraw". There have been incidents of similar nature happening, from the much dreaded Article 23 national security bill, to the patriotic national education policies. The original bill did not pass, but bits and pieces of them, or watered down / not-so-watered down versions of them still make it through to the actual implementaiton level. I believe the flag act was originally meant to be part of Article 23, as was the national anthem act (which actually didn't pass due to a simple procedural error). Patriotic national education is rife in nearly every elementary and highschool subject now. (black hair, black eyes, and yellow skin means you are Chinese blah blah blah).

With the extradiction act pronounced dead, the next items of focus that I see as very important are:

1) the pressing of charges against "rioters" throughout the various June / July events
2) an independent review of police conduct during the June / July events

The HKSAR gov is unlikely to budge on either account, but I think it is extremely important. Personally, I would not accept any compromise on these 2 issues at all, in the sense that I think the charges need to be dropped, that an independent police conduct review take place, and that police brutality charges be laid. But if I were someone in the HKSAR gov, I would propose the dropping of charges for both the "rioters" as well as police officers, while agreeing to a no-fault "independent" review on police conduct. I suspect an arrangement like this will likely be enough to pacify a majority of the protesters, and the current wave of recurring mass protest will then lose steam.

[bcedhk]

With the extradiction act pronounced dead, the next items of focus that I see as very important are:

1) the pressing of charges against "rioters" throughout the various June / July events
2) an independent review of police conduct during the June / July events

The HKSAR gov is unlikely to budge on either account, but I think it is extremely important. Personally, I would not accept any compromise on these 2 issues at all, in the sense that I think the charges need to be dropped, that an independent police conduct review take place, and that police brutality charges be laid. But if I were someone in the HKSAR gov, I would propose the dropping of charges for both the "rioters" as well as police officers, while agreeing to a no-fault "independent" review on police conduct. I suspect an arrangement like this will likely be enough to pacify a majority of the protesters, and the current wave of recurring mass protest will then lose steam.

I think point 1 will be very difficult to impose because it affects the rule of law and could actually bite the pro-dem back in the future.

the 2nd one has been gaining traction, especially after yesterday's comment form ex-chief of justice.

[Mr.HappySilp]

I think point 1 will be very difficult to impose because it affects the rule of law and could actually bite the pro-dem back in the future.

the 2nd one has been gaining traction, especially after yesterday's comment form ex-chief of justice.

What did the ex chef of justice say?

[Traum]

I think point 1 will be very difficult to impose because it affects the rule of law and could actually bite the pro-dem back in the future.

Point #1 can be done by either having the Minister of Justice to drop charges against the "rioters", or pardons can be issued by the HKSAR CEO. There has been precedences of both in the past, esp mass pardons way back when the HKPD was corrupt AF. The mass pardon was given by the then colonial British HK gov, and I believe is encompasses all police officers where the bribery amounted to less than a certain figure.

Adopting this route would really make amends with the general public, and diffuse a lot of the pent up frustration and dissatisfaction among them. And the mass pardon includes dropping charges for the police force as well, that should be sufficient to keep everybody happy.

Of course, it is highly questionable whether Lam and Beijing have the political wisdom to see and accept this. Esp with Bejing, their mindset and way of thinking is totally screwed up.

[SkinnyPupp]

I think point 1 can apply to the ones charged on 6/12 only, as those were arrested under the pretense of "riotous acts" which the police backed out on the next day.

As for point 2, I can't even imagine why a properly functioning country wouldn't want their police to be held accountable for their actions. HK went from having one of the worst, most corrupt police forces, to one of the best, and now they are turning into a bunch of thugs again. They REALLY need to do a proper investigation into it, not just to appease the rioters, but to just be Hong Kong.

As for political wisdom, Beijing doesn't have a clue how to deal with people that have free thought and aren't brainwashed. They've shown this with every attempt at law making and propaganda. You can do propaganda in democratic countries. US, Canada, EU countries do it all the time. You just can't do it the way China does it. It has the opposite effect.

And IMO (I could be wrong) Lam is just a puppet. She's literally irrelevant to the whole thing. She could be anyone. Any pro-Beijing person saying she fucked up, or she did things wrong, is just trying to separate her from the rest of the CCP.

[6793026]

i've saidit before Lam is a puppet... China tried to kick out the 1st chief forcing him down... thinking it was his issue so he "retired due to health reasons".... complete BS and China realized it doesn't work.

I can't see how they can drop charges or pardons. Doens't make sense at all. Has it ever happened in HK or parts of the world? Logical question I'm asking as I dont' know the answer. What does that really accomplish? Why just 6/12 and not 6/13 and not the days in july etc..

[Nlkko]

As for political wisdom, Beijing doesn't have a clue how to deal with people that have free thought and aren't brainwashed. They've shown this with every attempt at law making and propaganda. You can do propaganda in democratic countries. US, Canada, EU countries do it all the time. You just can't do it the way China does it. It has the opposite effect.


China has a different political system though. They rely a lot on long-term planning. This is unlike the West's political environment of revolving door every 4 years with parties throwing rocks at each other and trying to undo their predecessors' plans. They need everybody to be on the same page for a long period of time so they can't have people throwing rocks at the window like the West.

Not to say it's good or bad. Their system isn't democratic and that's the system they chose to go with. It worked well for them on aspects like the economy but obviously people's freedom is limited/censored.

[bcedhk]

it's probably a clusterfu*k internally between China/HK to find the next course of action. Anything they are trying to do or say just creates more tension between the HKers and the top ranks.

[Traum]

I can't see how they can drop charges or pardons. Doens't make sense at all. Has it ever happened in HK or parts of the world? Logical question I'm asking as I dont' know the answer. What does that really accomplish? Why just 6/12 and not 6/13 and not the days in july etc..
In the 60's and early 70's,the HKPD was corrupted AF. Then HK Governor Murray MacLehose wanted to tackle the problem, and created ICAC, the Independent Commission Against Corruption. This new bureau directly reports to the Governor, and their tactics have proven to be effective in cracking down corruption activities. Naturally, this has also created a lot of friction between the HKPD and the ICAC. In the late 70's (Oct 1977, according to Wikipedia), thousands of HKPD officers and their family members went to demonstrate at the HKPD HQ to show their frustrations, and under 100 of them went to storm the ICAC office, including injuring a number of ICAC staff.

To pacify the police frustration, Governor MacLehose issued a one time mass pardon that excused a vast majority of police officers from corruption charges. The political decision was obviously welcomed by the PD, but severely demoralized the ICAC as well as causing the then ICAC commissioner to resign.

Looking at that span of history, you can see many parallels with the widespread discontent then and now. So from a political wisdom point of view, I think it is totally something worthwhile for the HKSAR gov to pursue. And with pardoning both the "rioters" as well as the police officer, it kind of strikes a middle ground that stands to pacify both sides, instead of completely siding only with one side or the other.

Again, I stress that this is what I think a smart government would do to pacify the crowds and tame down the situation. I obviously stand on the protester's side, and think the police officers committing brutiality crimes and breaking codes of conduct should face the appropriate consequences. But the current HKSAR gov would obviously never agree to that.

[6793026]

^ really good point, thank you for this. I can't see it happening, but it's a refreshing perspective.

This is MOFO Hilarious. (in cantonese, sorry no captions)

何君堯 (HK lawyer and politician; former President of the Law Society of HK).
Background: He's giving a speech responding to the inquiry on the use of water cannons (from the police stand point).

Questions & answer; note I'm quoting him ... legit answers by him ahhahah

1) what were the protocols before firing?
His Answer: "Make sure the water cannons are filled with water, or else how will we use the cannon?" AHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

2) Where there protocols during the use?
Answer: "To aim properly. If Mr. Chan was there, we will ask the aim better on him. These are the standard protocols provided by Security Bureau. What do you expect? To wash the streets? Of course we aim at protesters?"

3) Should there be any follow up AFTER the water cannon being used?
answer: "Oh, should we have offered shampoo and soap, since you're already wet, do you want a shower"

3) Are the cannons better than the ones than the ones from Korea?

Answer: Of course they are better. We bought these with money, of course we buy the best water cannons. Did you expect us to buy super soakers? Of course they are legit, or else how are we going to "serve" you.

4) what are the water force and effects of the water cannons used on humans?
Answer: "The force for sure is powerful as heck. For sure it's stronger than the jacuzzi at your home. Of course there are effects, the effects is to make you wet. If it's the winter, you'll get cold. In summer, you'll feel refreshed."

"I'm giving you all the answers you want"

holy F, i couldn't stop laughing...

https://youtu.be/pTmKnrQcZrU?t=2m34s

[Traum]

This Junius Ho dude is both an idiot and an unrefined brute. FailFish

[SkinnyPupp]

How's this for resolve?

https://streamable.com/9657k

Imagine being the kid standing up to this piece of shit! I hope it was worth it in the end - prove the resolve of Hong Kong youth, and get this fucker charged for aggravated assault.

This was hard to watch, I felt my heart pumping as I wished I was there to knock that fat fuck out cold. However what the kids did was smart. They know that if they'd retaliated, the police would have arrested anyone who touched that guy. Now they have no choice but to go after that piece of shit. At the same time, it shows the pro-HK people as being calm, strong, a bit reckless, while it shows the pro-government people as idiotic thugs and violent pieces of shit.

[Traum]

I respect the young dude in the blue t-shirt for not returning the favour. Reportedly, he is a black belt in TKD as well as a Muay Thai practitioner of several years. Still, I disagree with the way he just took in all the sucker punches. After the first punch or two, when it became obvious that the fat POS wasn't gonna stop, he should have defended himself by blocking or something. IMO, it would have become a matter of personal safety at that point.

The fat fxxk has already been arrested for this, and he was reportedly also an assailant in attacking a 65 yr old at the same Lenon wall.

Regrettably, if past history and rulings were any precedence, the fat fxxk is only going to get a slap on the wrist. The HKPD as well as the local district courts are known to be lenient on pro-police and pro-establishment supporters, while being totally biased against pan-democrat supporters. The lightest possible charges will get laid on this fat fxxk, and the district court judge will also hand out the lightest possible sentencing. In the past, physical assaults on pro-democratic supporters involving only a few punches have results in a mere HKD$500 (ie. <Cdn$100) fine. A pro-establishment 71 yr old man was only given 1 week jail time for assaulting a 19 yr old kid like this:

https://static.appledaily.hk/images/apple-photos/apple/20150703/large/a1003a.gif

but was later released on appeal.

It is infuriating to see how the system is stacked against anyone that do not support the HKSAR gov.

[SkinnyPupp]

Normally I agree with you, in a normal street fight, he obviously should have defended himself at least. However this is political, and the statement made by eating punches thrown by idiotic pro-government supporters, being literally KO'd and getting back up again to face them again... That's a powerful statement.

On the outside, we can criticize it and say he's taking unnecessary brain trauma, but think of how much power the kid is actually showing by taking the stereotype of an ignorant pro-beijing moron, and just eating and eating all the shit thrown his way.

Maybe it would be even better if he'd just cracked the guy, I dunno...

[Traum]

I certainly respect his decision to eat the punches even if I don't agree with it. And given his background, he probably has a rough idea of how much punishment he can take.

For myself, and I can only speak for myself here -- I would still stress personal safety above making a powerful political statement. At the same time, I know I am a useless middle aged dude while the young guys that have been driving this entire movement continue to amaze the world with their resolve and tenacity.

May God bless these kids. And may God bless Hong Kong...

[StylinRed]

What's the background story of fatty and the guys?

[SkinnyPupp]

What's the background story of fatty and the guys?
There are "lennon walls (https://www.hongkongfp.com/2019/07/09/pictures-lennon-wall-message-boards-appear-across-hong-kong-districts-support-anti-extradition-law-protesters/)" throughout the city, where people put up notes of encouragement and support. Part of the protest.

Fat guy represents the blindly ignorant anti-protester people, who, for the first time in their lives, care about litter and garbage, and call this littering. So fat ignorant morons like this guy are "standing up" to the litterers. Obviously it's politics, not littering, but they are ignorant so what do you expect?

[StylinRed]

Ah at first I thought since he had an umbrella he was a protester being picked on

Then I watched the whole video, and saw him tearing down the post it's

Lenin walls eh rofl

[SkinnyPupp]

Lennon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lennon_Wall_(Hong_Kong)), not Lenin FailFish

[hud 91gt]

I think if anyone asked me if I wanted to have fuck, I'd respond like this.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/eeEyVZiVW_M/hqdefault.jpg

Happened to me once in an reserve in northern Manitoba. “Hey, want to fuck?” Haha. Well that was forward. My face didn’t look anywhere close to that. Hahah

[SkinnyPupp]

Happened to me once in an reserve in northern Manitoba. “Hey, want to fuck?” Haha. Well that was forward. My face didn’t look anywhere close to that. Hahah
Someone asked me that in the locker room at the gym, and that GIF is 100% exactly the face I made LUL

[freakshow]

That blue shirt guy deserved those punches. I don't care whose side they're on, but its not a 'peaceful' protest if you and 7 of your friends surround someone and physically block them from leaving. /flamesuiton

[bcedhk]

That blue shirt guy deserved those punches. I don't care whose side they're on, but its not a 'peaceful' protest if you and 7 of your friends surround someone and physically block them from leaving. /flamesuiton

uh. they were blocking him because
1. he wanted to stay around to harass the teens and a 65-year-old for putting up the memos

2. They only surrounded him after he physically assaulted the teenager and the 65-year-old.

you're a dick to think someone "deserves" to be punched for being blocked.

[trd2343]

How's this for resolve?

https://streamable.com/9657k

Imagine being the kid standing up to this piece of shit! I hope it was worth it in the end - prove the resolve of Hong Kong youth, and get this fucker charged for aggravated assault.

This was hard to watch, I felt my heart pumping as I wished I was there to knock that fat fuck out cold. However what the kids did was smart. They know that if they'd retaliated, the police would have arrested anyone who touched that guy. Now they have no choice but to go after that piece of shit. At the same time, it shows the pro-HK people as being calm, strong, a bit reckless, while it shows the pro-government people as idiotic thugs and violent pieces of shit.

I don't think it's so much pro-HK vs pro-government, it's more pro-protest vs anti-protest. Obviously those who participate are pro-HK, but those who choose not to participate or are against it, doesn't mean they are pro-government.

There's absolutely no place for the fat guy to hit the blue shirt guy. But his reasoning wasn't because he was pro-China or anything, or at least I didn't feel so from his words. He asked, why are you creating a revolution, why are you creating a mess, do you work, have a home to go back to cook, to take care of family etc.

Call me short sighted, but I don't think it's wrong to not want a protest. I don't love CCP or think they are great leaders. But I want peace. I just want to keep my head down, mind my own business, make enough money to barely make ends meet and cover my mortgage, and take care of my family, in one of the stressful city that one could ever live in the world.

One could argue you can't expect a better tomorrow without taking a risk and making a change, but what if it turns out to be worse, what if life gets even worse for people in HK? What is the ultimate goal that people in HK want to achieve? Declare indepedence? Overturn the China government?

I do take back my words, it's amazing how the protest made China stop the bill.

edit: To be clear again, I'm not defending the fat guy's action. But I certainly don't see the fat guy as a China agent trying to promote how great CCP is. If anything, I pressure and stress and irritation, just from living in HK.

[SkinnyPupp]

I don't think it's so much pro-HK vs pro-government, it's more pro-protest vs anti-protest. Obviously those who participate are pro-HK, but those who choose not to participate or are against it, doesn't mean they are pro-government.

There's absolutely no place for the fat guy to hit the blue shirt guy. But his reasoning wasn't because he was pro-China or anything, or at least I didn't feel so from his words. He asked, why are you creating a revolution, why are you creating a mess, do you work, have a home to go back to cook, to take care of family etc.

Call me short sighted, but I don't think it's wrong to not want a protest. I don't love CCP or think they are great leaders. But I want peace. I just want to keep my head down, mind my own business, make enough money to barely make ends meet and cover my mortgage, and take care of my family, in one of the stressful city that one could ever live in the world.

One could argue you can't expect a better tomorrow without taking a risk and making a change, but what if it turns out to be worse, what if life gets even worse for people in HK? What is the ultimate goal that people in HK want to achieve? Declare indepedence? Overturn the China government?

I do take back my words, it's amazing how the protest made China stop the bill.

edit: To be clear again, I'm not defending the fat guy's action. But I certainly don't see the fat guy as a China agent trying to promote how great CCP is. If anything, I pressure and stress and irritation, just from living in HK.
And that passiveness is how you end up living in a place with no human rights, putting people in internment camps in 2019, and arresting people for disagreeing with you.

I am so fucking glad HK youth are not like that.

Of course you can be passive, living in a place of privilege like Canada (I assume so anyway, at least you can probably go there if you have to). Hell I can afford to be passive as well, because I can just up and go any time I want. But these kids are up against the wall, their future being taken away from them piece by piece. If that fat shitter doesn't want to protest, fine - I don't participate myself - but to be AGAINST protesting, when his future and his family's future are going to be raped just as hard - fuck him.

If you're anti-protest, you're pro-China and anti-liberty, whether you want to admit to it or not. To not fight is to give up your life and your future family's life.

As for ultimate goal, this really could be the start of a revolution throughout all of China. They really are getting worse by the year, more totalitarian, more tyrannical. People who can "put their heads down" and ignore real problems "I'm not a terrorist so I don't have to worry" are only going to wake up one day, unable to send their kids to a certain school because they are friends with someone who posted a Winnie The Pooh meme on Wechat.

China's middle class has been riding high on a huge bubble for the last decade or so, so they really can "put their heads down" and enjoy the wealth. But what happens when that bubble bursts? What are they left with?

The protest last Sunday was a great idea, try to get as much of this information to the youth of China. Their parents and lazy friends may want to "put their heads down", but they will inevitably notice their rights being eroded away more and more. We already saw a large scale protest last month in China, as the government decided to place garbage incinerators directly in a residential area. Maybe the fact that HK protesters literally blocked a law from happening will be some sort of encouragement. At least a spark maybe. Think long term, China sure is.

[Badhobz]

Skinny you should go protest too. As one of the few white guys there I'm sure you would garner a lot of support from the international press

[BIC_BAWS]

Skinny you should go protest too. As one of the few white guys there I'm sure you would garner a lot of support from the international press

Or he'll become a bargaining chip for Huawei lady. "Hey Canada, we got one of yours over here"

[Badhobz]

Ah that's true... Would be pretty bad ass if he was one of the guys who broke into Lego and drapped that British flag. Can you imagine the shit that would stir?!?! Holy fuck

[6793026]

If you're anti-protest, you're pro-China and anti-liberty, whether you want to admit to it or not. To not fight is to give up your life and your future family's life.


I have a hard time comprehending / agreeing with this.

My buddy had a huge heated argument with me over this.

During the 2014 umbrella revolution, my friends who ran 2 restaurant businesses in central had to close its doors. The protest heavily affected his traffic flow and he couldn't make ends meet as it lasted for 2+ months; losing 2.5 million dollars all together.
We were a bit speechless & and had nothing to say.

"I am 100% anti-protest, I had to shut my business down, fire all my staff (17 of them in their 50-60s) cause there was no business. You can fight all you want, just not in my backyard."

A younger millennials: "If you back the movement, this is part of the sacrifice. There will always be casualties, but your sacrifice is for a cause, shouldn't you be proud?"

He said: "DIU LAY LO MO. You go home after a protest cause you have a roof over your head; provided by your mom and dad." "I go home and tell my wife and kids either we declare bankruptcy or we sell our house to float a sinking business."

He continued "Why don't you go comfort your parents when the just got fired "it's ok mom, you lost your job but you're fighting for the cause". Fighting for a cause will not pay for your rent, lay lo mei"

It kept going in circles; one says "you're fighting for a cause... and sometimes there are damages" "Say all you want until you go don't have a home to go to"

[Traum]

It's unfortunate that your friend had to shutter his business and lost all that money. I certainly sympathize with that. At the same time, I personally kind of view that as the part of the business risks. It happened to be the Umbrella Revolution that affected his traffic flow, but it could just as easily have been a watermain bursting, government rezoning, or heck, problematic high speed rail / MTR construction that led to unforseen sinking of the foundation and ground levels.

I find it regrettable that your friend could not separate the business closure due to unforeseen business risks from the fight for freedom and autonomy.

[twitchyzero]

do the young mainland kids even care about the western definition of liberty?

sure many will come and stay in Canada because of clean air/health care/education/work/green space

but how many in China on the whole are actually fed up with being limited to platforms like wechat? do they even give a shit about facebook/google? i know i likely wouldn't...there's not even a built-in Uber (anymore), maybe they dont even care that much about having a 'voice'

the wuhan protest against a facility that will directly impact their health, ok makes sense

but how many who grew up in China (and are not completely oblivious to the downfalls of regime/walled network) are actually worried about facial recognition and the social ranking system to the point they'll go on a hunger strike/stand up to the army?

[SkinnyPupp]

I have a hard time comprehending / agreeing with this.

My buddy had a huge heated argument with me over this.

During the 2014 umbrella revolution, my friends who ran 2 restaurant businesses in central had to close its doors. The protest heavily affected his traffic flow and he couldn't make ends meet as it lasted for 2+ months; losing 2.5 million dollars all together.
We were a bit speechless & and had nothing to say.

"I am 100% anti-protest, I had to shut my business down, fire all my staff (17 of them in their 50-60s) cause there was no business. You can fight all you want, just not in my backyard."

A younger millennials: "If you back the movement, this is part of the sacrifice. There will always be casualties, but your sacrifice is for a cause, shouldn't you be proud?"

He said: "DIU LAY LO MO. You go home after a protest cause you have a roof over your head; provided by your mom and dad." "I go home and tell my wife and kids either we declare bankruptcy or we sell our house to float a sinking business."

He continued "Why don't you go comfort your parents when the just got fired "it's ok mom, you lost your job but you're fighting for the cause". Fighting for a cause will not pay for your rent, lay lo mei"

It kept going in circles; one says "you're fighting for a cause... and sometimes there are damages" "Say all you want until you go don't have a home to go to"
So blame the victims then? It really sucks for your friend, but any number of things could have happened that caused his business to fail temporarily. Road closure due to a new mall going in? Building demolished to build a new train station? Flooding? People fighting for their lives? Things happen. I'm not unsympathetic, but come on...

Yes he had a good thing going, making $1.25 million a month by "keeping his head down" and not worrying about anything other than that. But there are other people who aren't making millions every month, or maybe they do but are more worried about liberty, they are going to fight for that... Even if it's inconvenient to lose some money, I think it's WAY more inconvenient to get arrested and be never heard from again, in prison for decades until you starve to death at 45.

[SkinnyPupp]

do the young mainland kids even care about the western definition of liberty?

sure many will come and stay in Canada because of clean air/health care/education/work/green space

but how many in China on the whole are actually fed up with being limited to platforms like wechat? do they even give a shit about facebook/google? i know i likely wouldn't...there's not even a built-in Uber (anymore), maybe they dont even care that much about having a 'voice'

the wuhan protest against a facility that will directly impact their health, ok makes sense

but how many who grew up in China (and are not completely oblivious to the downfalls of regime/walled network) are actually worried about facial recognition and the social ranking system to the point they'll go on a hunger strike/stand up to the army?
Who knows how many? Because if they do openly, they get disappeared. They're out there though. Many who study overseas have an open mind at a young age, and see how things are around the world. They can compare, and decide what they think is better. Others stay brainwashed, others "put their heads down" and be part of the system, because making money is more important than anything else in the world.

[SkinnyPupp]

Skinny you should go protest too. As one of the few white guys there I'm sure you would garner a lot of support from the international press
I'd considered it but I don't believe I have the "right" to do so, since I am not a permanent resident. I will be a permanent resident next September, and in that case I may be more active politically. That is, if I even decide to stay that long... Who knows? If things go far enough down the shitter, I might just leave... Honestly every time I travel to a different country, I want to live there for a few years.

BTW there are lots of ethnic minority protesters (https://www.hongkongfp.com/2019/07/06/home-i-want-hong-kongs-ethnic-minority-protesters-identity-belonging/) out there taking part.

[hud 91gt]

No skytrain down Broadway because the business’ will be affected during construction.

Yeah it really sucks for those people. They are the ones that sacrifice, but come on. That is the risk of business for the greater good of the city.. Two months of bad business and they have to close their doors? Try a few years! Sounds to me like the doors were already close to being shut.

[whitev70r]

A little thoughtful reading for the debate. Personally, I really wouldn't mind a bit more of government control over FB, IG, Snapchat, Google, etc.

China Goes '1984' While America Goes 'Brave New World'--But What's Next?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/robasghar/2018/07/11/china-goes-1984-while-america-goes-brave-new-world-but-whats-next/#5fcec4531620

Sneak peek/preview:
A New York Times report details how Chinese authorities are using cutting-edge technology to increasingly keep tabs on their citizens, in order to nab drug smugglers and murder suspects and even to publicly shame inconsiderate jay-walkers.

"With millions of cameras and billions of lines of code, China is building a high-tech authoritarian future," the Times' technology correspondent Paul Mozur wrote.

Just a year after 1984, the year for which Orwell's most famous book was named, the late social critic Neil Postman published Amusing Ourselves to Death: Public Discourse in the Age of Show Business. He talked of a certain dumbing down of American thought and action due to the effects of television and mass advertising; and all the phenomena he then observed have since been accelerated by the Internet and social media.

Postman's key point was that Big Brother didn't need to bother watching John Doe or controlling him, because John Doe probably was already willing to be controlled by forces that rendered him harmless to Big Brother.

As Postman memorably put it:

Orwell feared those who would deprive us of information. Huxley feared those who would give us so much that we would be reduced to passivity and egoism. Orwell feared that the truth would be concealed from us. Huxley feared the truth would be drowned in a sea of irrelevance. Orwell feared we would become a captive culture. Huxley feared we would become a trivial culture, preoccupied with some equivalent of the feelies, the orgy porgy, and the centrifugal bumblepuppy. ... In short, Orwell feared that what we hate will ruin us. Huxley feared that what we love will ruin us.

This above paragraph, in a nutshell, is China vs. Western free democratic world. Some of you are buying way too much into the democracy free world cool aid ... well, that's because you keep on drinking it incessantly.

[Hakkaboy]

No skytrain down Broadway because the business’ will be affected during construction.

Yeah it really sucks for those people. They are the ones that sacrifice, but come on. That is the risk of business for the greater good of the city.. Two months of bad business and they have to close their doors? Try a few years! Sounds to me like the doors were already close to being shut.

Entirely possible that they have high fixed costs and small margins that's heavily dependent on high volume. But we don't really know the full story and would be unwise to blame them for a shitty business that can't survive 2 months with close to 0 revenues.

*Talking about any businesses that are severely affected by these protests

[SkinnyPupp]

lol @ equating wasting time on facebook with being sent to internment camps for being muslim, or being arrested for having the wrong opinion, or being spied on 24/7 and your life is recorded with a score which controls what you can do and where you can go.

I know people like to just be controversial in forums, but come on. Postman was complaining about trivial shit. It was a fluff piece that kind of fits a narrative that people waste time on social media today. And yes, there's a lot of shit information out there. But there's a lot of really important useful information, and means of communication and collaboration.

Enjoy the privilege you have to share your opinion without having to consider if it will get you in trouble, or to read an article on forbes.com, or to even know who George Orwell is. Because in another part of the world, you're not allowed to do any of those things. FailFish

[SkinnyPupp]

https://twitter.com/tictoc/status/1149588237599428609

[twdm]

He said: "DIU LAY LO MO. You go home after a protest cause you have a roof over your head; provided by your mom and dad." "I go home and tell my wife and kids either we declare bankruptcy or we sell our house to float a sinking business."

He continued "Why don't you go comfort your parents when the just got fired "it's ok mom, you lost your job but you're fighting for the cause". Fighting for a cause will not pay for your rent, lay lo mei"


Honestly, if he came out to be openly anti-protest, he would've gone bankrupt anyways. It'd be pissing in the face of his main customer base.

https://www.facebook.com/%E9%A4%8A%E5%BF%83%E6%AE%BF%E5%8F%B0%E5%BC%8F%E9%A 4%8A%E7%94%9F%E7%81%AB%E9%8D%8B-329540571251585/?epa=SEARCH_BOX

This company's owner posted some stupid shit dissing his customers and Hong Kongers fucked him up good.

If you look at Hong Kong's functional constituencies, you'd notice that a lot of high paying, highly educated sectors are pro-democracy. If you push them to leave (and they all have the means to leave), you'll be left without all the doctors, nurses, lawyers, etc. Good luck keeping society running without them.

[SkinnyPupp]

If you look at Hong Kong's functional constituencies, you'd notice that a lot of high paying, highly educated sectors are pro-democracy. If you push them to leave (and they all have the means to leave), you'll be left without all the doctors, nurses, lawyers, etc. Good luck keeping society running without them.

I think some will see that as a best case scenario. There are plenty of people to take their place, and they won't have to worry about people who care about liberty anymore.

[twitchyzero]

Yes he had a good thing going, making $1.25 million a month by "keeping his head down" and not worrying about anything other than that.... Even if it's inconvenient to lose some money, I think it's WAY more inconvenient to get arrested and be never heard from again, in prison for decades until you starve to death at 45.

that's a lot of what if's/prediction compared to the businesses that's already lost a fair bit of money

i was pissed at the bill that created 2nd-class citizens where Ottawa gained power to remove naturalized citizenship status even if you're accused/tried as a criminal/terrorist abroad, or the new bill where police can charge you for DUI within 2 hours of driving and having alcohol...but those are hypothetical situations and rarely used/abused (so far)

has the CCP done some & continue to do crazy atrocious shit, of course and they're one of the most notorious, but doesn't mean they'll start a genocide/concentration camps for every HK dissident if the extradition law did go through, even if it's ripe for abuse

it seems this is a bigger deal than face value because it's symbolic due to the eroding basic law...to the point just saying it's 'dead' is not good enough, and that it must be 101% confirmed using legal speak..last i checked Lam does not have a law background

when's the last time Trump used legal speak? half of the crap spewed is made up on a whim, the other half is flip-flopped and conflicting

neither does Trudeau, just a lot of um's but's and not actually answering the questions (no law background)

[SkinnyPupp]

has CCP done some crazy, atrocious shit, of course and they're one of the most notorious, but doesn't mean they'll start a genocide/concentration camps for every HK dissident if the extradition law did go through

Protesters in HK have the advantage that they are mostly ethnic Chinese. If they weren't, I can 100% guarantee that this place would be under military lockdown at this very moment, and everyone who survived the first strike would be rounded up and sent to these concentration camps.

That's because they are literally doing this to the Uighur people right now.

There's no guarantee that they wouldn't start doing this to ethnic Chinese HK people eventually either. They've kidnapped and "disappeared" enough HK people already to prove that they will do it to anyone they don't agree with. Hell they've disappeared Canadians just to spite Canada for following rule of democratic law and giving someone a fair trial according to international agreements.

This is not hyperbole or a fantasy... They really are evil. That's why it bothers me when people "put their heads down" and go "oh well, my family makes lots of money so it doesn't matter" or "it used to be worse"

[BIC_BAWS]

That's because they are literally doing this to the Uighur people right now.

HKPD was saying that the watch in the LegCo video was photoshopped. But you know who are the masters at PhotoShop?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7AYyUqrMuQ

PRC really be deleting people out here.

[SkinnyPupp]

30K protest in Sheng Shui today. This one raising awareness of the hundreds of thousands who crowd the neighbourhood (which borders Shenzen China) coming in to buy "parallel goods" (this is a polite way to say that they are illegally smuggling products from HK into China)

https://twitter.com/RachelCheung1/status/1149985194473971712

Protests like this are nothing new, and this one ended before cops showed up. But they seemingly had intentions, and the recent protests and scrutiny have put some of them in a bad mood I think.

https://twitter.com/alvinllum/status/1150015050133827584

It's mostly local residents and press, cops are going after anyone who is in the area.

https://twitter.com/creery_j/status/1150031866440740867

https://twitter.com/natlungfy/status/1150028706364174338

Kids were playing basketball nearby, cops broke it up:

https://twitter.com/aaronMCN/status/1150020061177888771

Using pepper spray

https://twitter.com/tictoc/status/1150042313424539648

Look at this maniac, swinging his baton blindly at anyone who is around

https://twitter.com/galileocheng/status/1149992159812182016

Member of the press gets stretchered

https://twitter.com/HongKongFP/status/1149993473086377984

More graphics photos here (https://www.facebook.com/faichungfaichung/photos/a.2402949789935830/2415787691985373/?type=3&theater).. One guy got absolutely smashed, the other I'm not sure but he looks severely injured, maybe out cold.

HK police have actually lost their fucking minds.

[Badhobz]

HKPD might have lost their minds but i shudder to think of the alternatives where the people's army come rolling in once HKPD conceded they lost control of the situation.

[trd2343]

Protesters in HK have the advantage that they are mostly ethnic Chinese. If they weren't, I can 100% guarantee that this place would be under military lockdown at this very moment, and everyone who survived the first strike would be rounded up and sent to these concentration camps.

That's because they are literally doing this to the Uighur people right now.

There's no guarantee that they wouldn't start doing this to ethnic Chinese HK people eventually either. They've kidnapped and "disappeared" enough HK people already to prove that they will do it to anyone they don't agree with. Hell they've disappeared Canadians just to spite Canada for following rule of democratic law and giving someone a fair trial according to international agreements.

This is not hyperbole or a fantasy... They really are evil. That's why it bothers me when people "put their heads down" and go "oh well, my family makes lots of money so it doesn't matter" or "it used to be worse"

I take my words back. After seeing the video below, I realize I grossly underestimated the kind of stuff China has been doing outside of HK.

[whitev70r]

https://img.theepochtimes.com/assets/uploads/2019/07/12/20190712-LongHair-Poon-1@1200x1200-700x420.jpg

[bcedhk]

I don't get the HKPF's logic in the gear they are using... for the MK protest they bring full out shields and riot gear when 99% of them are just gathering post-TST protest.

With this protest, which sees slightly more aggression from protestors, they bring low ranking guys with batons swinging all over the place.

And where is the Police Chief or CE in all of this? The llack of leadership is eroding Hong Kong's police force to the ground.

[Hondaracer]

Wish I could live in a “world class city” like HK :smug:

[Manic!]

Wish I could live in a “world class city” like HK :smug:

Ya it's great we have a leader like Justin Trudeau.

[SkinnyPupp]

Right now in Sha Tin

https://i.redd.it/3jgt2kc9b8a31.png

https://twitter.com/phila_siu/status/1150322965369765888

https://twitter.com/juliaholli/status/1150331066378358784

Police have arrived, no violence yet (as of 30 mins ago)

https://twitter.com/aaronMCN/status/1150332358370791424

[twitchyzero]

Ya it's great we have a leader like Justin Trudeau.

so just because UK is going through Brexit and Trump is PotUS means London and NYC are not world class?

[SkinnyPupp]

Police have started attacking the press

https://twitter.com/WilsonLeungWS/status/1150352162506956800

PTU officers were seen, I think for the first time in these protests. My theory is that they should be more well trained and under control, but time will tell

https://twitter.com/aaronMCN/status/1150354200733159424

[whitev70r]

^ since you are in HK and you feel so passionate about this ... don't you want to be out in the streets with the protesters instead of giving us play by play?

Edit ... no, I'm serious we have twitter for that. Giving people fails on a car forum 1/2 way around the world vs. actively participating. I know you're not afraid of losing your job or something if you get caught and arrested.

[twdm]

^ since you are in HK and you feel so passionate about this ... don't you want to be out in the streets with the protesters instead of giving us play by play?

Edit ... no, I'm serious we have twitter for that. Giving people fails on a car forum 1/2 way around the world vs. actively participating. I know you're not afraid of losing your job or something if you get caught and arrested.

Uhh didnt you hear, Beijing just kidnapped another Canadian for ransom.

Since you're halfway around the world, why do you care? I'm really starting to think you and badhobz are the same people waving chinese flags around as a Canadian supporting Wang Mengzhou.

Honestly, half the world knows China is a shithole. Posting here isn't going to change anyone's mind. Now shoo and go collect your 50 cent rmb

[Badhobz]

Eh whatever floats his boat. Being white will really make him stand out and he might be in mortal danger if he's caught.

[MG1]

Uhh didnt you hear, Beijing just kidnapped another Canadian for ransom.

Since you're halfway around the world, why do you care?

kidnapped?

[twdm]

kidnapped?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/07/14/world/asia/china-canadian-arrested.amp.html

"Arrested". But we all know why they would publically let the world know he was arrested.

Probably gonna revise his sentence with the death penalty like this other dude after Meng got arrested.
https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/04/30/asia/canada-china-death-sentence-intl/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F

[SkinnyPupp]

Police chased protesters press into the mall, where they sprayed them pepper spray and turned the damn mall into a war zone.

Kids could be seen being escorted out of the mall

https://twitter.com/amyyqin/status/1150416105741017088

So much pepper spray was used, the floor was slick

https://twitter.com/JackHHazlewood/status/1150423123952590849

Some protesters started fighting back, throwing umbrellas and shit at the police, but people around them urged them not to. "They are Hong Kongers too"

Despite purposefully snapping peoples wrists in half while arresting them.

https://twitter.com/jesuispoppie/status/1150428427041701889

Looks like an unconscious 90 lbs girl, the cop just bent her hand back like it was nothing

[SkinnyPupp]

Cop got separated from his squad (only assuming it's a cop - they stopped wearing identification so it's not possible to confirm)

https://streamable.com/kvl7m

This is after they stormed the peaceful protest, trapping them in the mall, blocking every exit and shutting down the MTR, pepper spraying them, beating them with shields, breaking their arms like twigs...

After all these "violent clashes" which so far have been going one way, people are starting to fight back.

In other words, the tactics being used are starting to work. They are turning the protesters violent.

[twitchyzero]

do you even read anything past the sensationalism headlines?

In total, they were found to have trafficked 63 kilograms (139 pounds) of methamphetamine


pro-tip for someone who doesn't want to get 'kidnapped' to concentration camp/slaughter house while in a communist regime; don't move that much meth

China or no China, in which country is it fine to be dealing hard drugs?

detention by Chinese police of seven foreign teachers and nine foreign students on drug allegations in eastern China.

Xuzhou city police told The Associated Press three Chinese people were also detained in the alleged drug arrests.

The British embassy said Friday it is providing consular assistance to four British citizens who were among those arrested.

yep, definitely related to Huawei :derp:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadian-citizen-has-been-detained-in-china-global-affairs-confirms-1.5211075





"Arrested". But we all know why they would publically let the world know he was arrested.

Probably gonna revise his sentence with the death penalty like this other dude after Meng got arrested.

[Digitalis]

If you dont want to hear about HK how about you dont click on a thread with HK in the title?

Now go work on your broken slower than a modern day minivan wagon.
^ since you are in HK and you feel so passionate about this ... don't you want to be out in the streets with the protesters instead of giving us play by play?

Edit ... no, I'm serious we have twitter for that. Giving people fails on a car forum 1/2 way around the world vs. actively participating. I know you're not afraid of losing your job or something if you get caught and arrested.

[whitev70r]

If you dont want to hear about HK how about you dont click on a thread with HK in the title?

Now go work on your broken slower than a modern day minivan wagon.

Well, I'll be the first to admit I'm a keyboard SJW when it comes to this but wth can I do when I'm 1/2 way around the world and fixing my broken wagon all the time. All I can do is to give others pluses/thanks so they feel like they are doing something worthwhile and making a difference.

And I find that absorbing people's anger and vitrol without becoming the same also a way to be therapeutic and helpful ... so I willingly do that.

[twitchyzero]

where did he say he's had enough of HK news?

oh what a good burn!! making fun of people that still wrench on a car site

should've picked on him for still owning a car! isn't Uber coming soon??

i'm also puzzled why people still want 90s exotics? the newest V6 Camry will smoke them in 0-60, oh shit!

[twdm]

do you even read anything past the sensationalism headlines?



pro-tip for someone who doesn't want to get 'kidnapped' to concentration camp/slaughter house while in a communist regime; don't move that much meth

China or no China, in which country is it fine to be dealing hard drugs?



yep, definitely related to Huawei :derp:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadian-citizen-has-been-detained-in-china-global-affairs-confirms-1.5211075

Oh yes. As if China gave fair trials and never tortured people into forced confessions. Keep drinking the kool-aid. They can make any shit up just to achieve their political goals, which is why Hong Kongers see them for what they are.

[StylinRed]

Need to go back to old threads about riots, or protests, in the US, and read the same ppl crying about police in HK, rip on protesters in the states, and backing police lol

[Tim Budong]

newtown was a fucking warzone
legit cancelled dimsum in shatin yesterdya knowing this shit would happen

[SkinnyPupp]

Pics came out of a cop who got his finger bitten... These pics show why. He was literally knuckle-deep into a dude's eye socket while he was fish-hooking him at the same time.

https://twitter.com/Shu81813483/status/1150454418770235392

[Tim Budong]

last night... imo.. is the tipping point for me over the matter
the PTU jumped into the fight, not your standard issue run of the mill cops, these are specially trained to contain things like this. so people disperse into the mall.. well for those that don't know.. this mall is the "gateway" to leave the area with 2 MAJOR bus terminus, and the MTR, one of the busiest along the light blue line

So PTU/riot blocks all entry ways, families, innocent people stuck inside with protestors who by this time have obviously changed etc..

fucked up thing is.. right above this mall, or this collection of malls are 20 towers of residential buildings + a hotel that is popular amongst tourists...

everything is so fucked up. im done

[SkinnyPupp]

https://twitter.com/ptreporter/status/1150430248359436288

Yeah this was the worst night of all in terms of how bad the cops were... Showing up early (they said they would stand by until 11pm) so they could kettle the crowds into the mall while it was still open, with no escapes. This throws the protest into public bystanders, shoppers and residents (I already posted the pic of the horrified little girls) then they go insane, fish hooking, eye gouging, breaking arms, trying to strip protesters naked... They have gone completely off the rails.

Meanwhile, Carrie Lam is saying they are doing the right thing.

https://twitter.com/VivienneChow/status/1150678151183290370

It's actually disgusting.

[6793026]

Regarding Tim Budong's comment. ^^ me too. When you start hearing protest EVERYDAY, it doesn't seem like "news" anymore. It's a regular occurrence and people's attention from oh my.. oh it's serious to now.... oh, another protest, just another location.

When was the last time you were told the message of the protest is (at the new location they are protesting). Don't say "fight china" "fight the movement"...


Sha Tin New City Plaza was a joke. Totally painful to watch. People post what we want to see; New City mall turned out into a lot of protestors throwing stuff from above. I don't even know what to feel anymore.

I asked a few retired HK officers, "why did they shut down the trains, why don't they let people escape with exits."
"It's all about containment. Their training is similar to lock down for school shootings or proper term is hold and secure. Protestors running around different areas every 15 minutes from 1 mall to another playground to another exit is never a good scenario; no police / training is going to be good enough to deal with. With social media, you'll see people saying we didn't move fast enough and it's the honest truth; no army / peace officer would be able to direct on the fly when swarm of people are running left right and center"

cops were surrounded and protesters got out of control; non stop umbrella hitting cops. 3:24 - 4:15.
https://youtu.be/E0PzINAVMZQ?t=3m31s

[twdm]

I asked a few retired HK officers, "why did they shut down the trains, why don't they let people escape with exits."
"It's all about containment. Their training is similar to lock down for school shootings or proper term is hold and secure. Protestors running around different areas every 15 minutes from 1 mall to another playground to another exit is never a good scenario; no police / training is going to be good enough to deal with. With social media, you'll see people saying we didn't move fast enough and it's the honest truth; no army / peace officer would be able to direct on the fly when swarm of people are running left right and center"


Wait so the goal of the police operation is to make the people disperse. Letting them leave on the MTR achieves that goal.

So their police training teaches them when you have an angry mob of protesters who are only a threat to police, you should direct them and contain them in an area with the highest risk of collateral damage. It is completely different from a school shooting where the targets are students. Not only that, when you corner them with no escape, guess what happens? They fight even harder.

Let me give you an example of how this is retarded. You're chasing a group of gun-toting robbers escaping with their haul of goods.

Option A: You direct them into an elementary school filled with kids where they have nowhere to run.

Option B: You direct them towards the highway, but risk them escaping.

The Hong Kong police basically chose option A. FailFish It's no wonder most people joining the police are rejects who didn't have the brains to enter university. You can tell by that retarded police officer who thought that he was the fucking mountain or something. Going solo against 100 people. I guess he was used to being able to beat people with impunity that he didn't realize people can fight back.

[Traum]

HKPD might have lost their minds but i shudder to think of the alternatives where the people's army come rolling in once HKPD conceded they lost control of the situation.
Meant to reply to this earlier, but kept on forgetting.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hongkong-extradition-pla-exclusive/exclusive-chinas-pla-signals-it-will-keep-hong-kong-based-troops-in-barracks-idUSKCN1U40QR

Exclusive: China's PLA signals it will keep Hong Kong-based troops in barracks
WORLD NEWSJULY 9, 2019 / 12:54 AM / 7 DAYS AGO

HONG KONG/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Chinese military commander responsible for Hong Kong has assured a Pentagon official that Chinese troops will not interfere in the city’s affairs – an apparent signal that they will stay in their barracks amid renewed political upheaval.

...

Of course, I would never trust a goddamn word from Communist Chinese officials or PLA, but this is what the PLA commander for Hong Kong has said. Given the PLA hierarchy, this is extremely unlikely to be just the Hong Kong commander mouthing off by himself. Had he not been given the blessings to do so by the higher ups, he would never dared to say stuff like this.

[highfive]

Don’t think pla will interfere unless it gets even worse. Hong Kong had their fair share of riots back on the 60s similar to this. Gurkhas were sent in when the leftist riots were settting bombs and shit.

[Tim Budong]

another protest in admiralty for the 21st
so.. right beside the PLA

[Mr.HappySilp]

I asked a few retired HK officers, "why did they shut down the trains, why don't they let people escape with exits."
"It's all about containment. Their training is similar to lock down for school shootings or proper term is hold and secure. Protestors running around different areas every 15 minutes from 1 mall to another playground to another exit is never a good scenario; no police / training is going to be good enough to deal with. With social media, you'll see people saying we didn't move fast enough and it's the honest truth; no army / peace officer would be able to direct on the fly when swarm of people are running left right and center"

cops were surrounded and protesters got out of control; non stop umbrella hitting cops. 3:24 - 4:15.
https://youtu.be/E0PzINAVMZQ?t=3m31s

I don't know lets take the stanley cup riot in Vancouver as an example. What I saw in the media/people's youtbue/IG etc was the instead of containment our police force people into smaller group and forcing them disband afterwards. It seems to be a much more effective method than what the HK police/riot police are doing. Sure there are still some injuries but nothing like what's happening in HK. It is never good lock in bystanders along with protesters. I mean if I was a bystander and I was force to stay I would be pretty piss off at the cops. I would even go as far to say the HK police did this on purpose to piss off the protesters and make them fight the police thus, recording them and saying they are being violent. Just force them the disband and leave it at that.

[yray]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJaoi0yTVoQ

lol the irony

[SkinnyPupp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJaoi0yTVoQ

lol the irony
Do you know anything about those riots?

[yray]

Do you know anything about those riots?

bruh, its 1am... go to sleep

:rukidding: the irony is how it was backed by beijing in 1967... now the boomers that grew up during the riots are saying the current protests are backed by "foreign powers"

[SkinnyPupp]

bruh, its 1am... go to sleep

:rukidding: the irony is how it was backed by beijing in 1967... now the boomers that grew up during the riots are saying the current protests are backed by "foreign powers"
Just chilling watching wrestling.. I was really wondering if you knew anything about them!

[highfive]

The 1966 riot was because of raising star ferry fares and police corruption st that to time. Along with ppl having high living costs and economy not helping etc etc.

67 was more of a leftist movement. Gone to a pt where those protesters being backed back the communists govt that they were throwing bombs and shit. British sent in the military in the end. My mom told me how scary it was when she was a little girl.

In the end I think the higher ups at the hkpd and ce should be taking the blame. They basically put their frontline police officers to the fire. The inconsistencies of how hkpd enforces the law and contain the crowd through all the protesting created the mess today.

When the crowd is peaceful, you started arresting.

When the crown break and enter and vandalize legco, you don’t do shit.

Everyone is tired, stress the fuck out, and it hot as fuck yet all the higher ups are sitting back in their air conditioned rooms watching. I feel bad for the protesters, I feel bad for the press, I feel bad for the officers.

[Traum]

Don’t think pla will interfere unless it gets even worse. Hong Kong had their fair share of riots back on the 60s similar to this. Gurkhas were sent in when the leftist riots were settting bombs and shit.
Reportedly, local protests have been planned on the weekends at least all the way through to the end of Aug now. The HKPD consists of ~34k personnel in total, but that includes auxillary officers as well as white collar staff. As a result of the recent protests, it is estimated that their Operations Wing (that handles crowd and riot control) has a headcount of somewhere between 5k - 10k. Given the increasingly disorganized and poorly planned crowd and riot control operations, I would not at all be surprised to think that at least the mental state, if not also the physical state, of the HKPD front line officers are fast reaching their limits. If protest organizers are able to organize multiple meaningfully sized local protests together on the same day, it would be extremely difficult at this point for the HKPD to respond to all of them simultaneously.

[Traum]

The 1966 riot was because of raising star ferry fares and police corruption st that to time. Along with ppl having high living costs and economy not helping etc etc.

67 was more of a leftist movement. Gone to a pt where those protesters being backed back the communists govt that they were throwing bombs and shit. British sent in the military in the end. My mom told me how scary it was when she was a little girl.

I don't think it is appropriate to compare the 1967 riot to what is happening now. The level of civility you see with today's protesters aren't even on the same scale as those "real" rioting leftists from 1967. As you have pointed out, the 1967 rioters were planting bombs injuring and killing random people on the street, as well as carrying out targetted assassinations on prominant figures that speak against the riots. By and large, the today's protesters are entirely peaceful towards regular civilians, and it isn't until the Shatin protest where any sort of physical violence manifested. And even then the violence is entirely caused by the stupid tactics from the police.

[6793026]

Protests back in 60 to the 90s as well as police force were very different. Not going to talk about pre-ICAC era, but before 2000s, people were respectful of police and authority. Rarely would you be taunting them, now in 2014 onwards, people lack the respect on HK police.

We would never ever taunt protest with umbrellas in Canada (and HELLSSSS no in 'Merica), but somehow HK... just went down the shitters.

You get pull off for speeding ticket, or you get a parking ticket here.. you take it (maybe not so much for parking ticket), in HK, people go ape shit "Diu lay lo mo" "why are you so fat and you're still able to be a police" "what's ur badge number you fucker"..

[StylinRed]

Mom said in '67 they even burned a reporter alive, those' 67 riots were on a whole other lvl

Edit: if you want to read about those riots, they spanned 8 months
https://www.scmp.com/magazines/post-magazine/long-reads/article/2089195/witnesses-anarchy-1967-riots-hong-kong-some-those

[asian_XL]

^ That's how people should tell their gov't, I might offend a lot of people, but young Hongers are pussy, need to learn how to escalate the protests so the gov't will do something about it

[Manic!]

You get pull off for speeding ticket, or you get a parking ticket here.. you take it (maybe not so much for parking ticket), in HK, people go ape shit "Diu lay lo mo" "why are you so fat and you're still able to be a police" "what's ur badge number you fucker"..

Oh really?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd_0whT398k

[Mr.HappySilp]

https://www.am730.com.hk/news/%E6%96%B0%E8%81%9E/%E3%80%90%E9%80%83%E7%8A%AF%E6%A2%9D%E4%BE%8B%E3%8 0%91bbc%E5%88%86%E6%9E%90tvb%E6%9C%89%E7%B7%9Anow% E7%A4%BA%E5%A8%81%E5%A0%B1%E9%81%93%E5%B7%AE%E5%88 %A5-180908

looks like even different news source report the incident differently.

[highfive]

Reportedly, local protests have been planned on the weekends at least all the way through to the end of Aug now. The HKPD consists of ~34k personnel in total, but that includes auxillary officers as well as white collar staff. As a result of the recent protests, it is estimated that their Operations Wing (that handles crowd and riot control) has a headcount of somewhere between 5k - 10k. Given the increasingly disorganized and poorly planned crowd and riot control operations, I would not at all be surprised to think that at least the mental state, if not also the physical state, of the HKPD front line officers are fast reaching their limits. If protest organizers are able to organize multiple meaningfully sized local protests together on the same day, it would be extremely difficult at this point for the HKPD to respond to all of them simultaneously.

That's true. If the military comes in, man it's going to be a shit show.

I don't think it is appropriate to compare the 1967 riot to what is happening now. The level of civility you see with today's protesters aren't even on the same scale as those "real" rioting leftists from 1967. As you have pointed out, the 1967 rioters were planting bombs injuring and killing random people on the street, as well as carrying out targetted assassinations on prominant figures that speak against the riots. By and large, the today's protesters are entirely peaceful towards regular civilians, and it isn't until the Shatin protest where any sort of physical violence manifested. And even then the violence is entirely caused by the stupid tactics from the police.

I'm not comparing it but just saying once the govt notice an escalation of violence in the city, it'll give them excuse to ask the military for help. The peaceful protesters no, but once you see what they did at legco, shatin and more, they have no other reasons not to right?

Funny how 67, they said it was the communists backing the protesters, today they say it's the foreign governments. Either way, the regular citizens end up getting fucked ltr on.

[ae101]

66/67 riot was about ferry prices, government corruption and stuff like that, while a bunch of left wing Beijing lovers started doing shit in crazy extreme ways

My dad saw shit he never forgot (he saw a little girls arm on a telephone wire as there were bombs going off), my our lawyer which is a very close family said his dad went out to the store one day during the riot times and never came as his father died during a bombing explosion

[fetched]

Where are the live videos of RS "supporters" participating and fighting for a cause in this riot? SkinnyPupp is all rattled up as always.....China bad, China sucks, Chinese people dirty AF.....ugh....look at yourself in the mirror from time to time....

Stop spending hours looking for media that portrays your point as you're as guilty as the country you despise, and how many times have you deleted posts (very "China" of you) of others on RS to stop yourself from looking like a fool, especially when someone had too many likes on posts that completely destroyed you....it's hilarious to see we have the next generation of keyboard heroes on RS hopping on the bandwagon of human rights.....

Isn't it clear that this protest isn't about the extradition bill? It is and has always been about a portion of hongers that cannot accept the fact that HK is part of China.

Well, stop starting shit...HK is a part of China. Deal with it.

[Manic!]

Well, stop starting shit...HK is a part of China. Deal with it.

And the US use to be a part of the United kingdom. They dealt with it by throwing a tea party.

[Traum]

Isn't it clear that this protest isn't about the extradition bill? It is and has always been about a portion of hongers that cannot accept the fact that HK is part of China.

Well, stop starting shit...HK is a part of China. Deal with it.
Based on what you've said, I think it is really rather pointless to try and convince you to look at the situation from a different perspective. But I will say a few things that I think are entirely factual, or as factual as they can possibly be.

You are correct that at this point, the protest is no longer "just about the extradition bill". First and foremost, as a direct quote of Lam, "the extradition bill is dead". At this point, I'd say that part of the ongoing protest is about police brutality and how they have clearly broken laws and violated their own operation protocols. Another major part of it is from the pent up frustration about how the HKSAR gov as well as the PRC gov have continued to ignore the wishes of the HK people, as well as following through on PRC's promises to not meddle in Hong Kong's affairs. We aren't even talking about asking for democracy or honouring the Sino-UK joint declaration. Hong Kongers -- esp the younger generation -- simply want China to stop fxxking Hong Kong.

[ae101]

Isn't it clear that this protest isn't about the extradition bill? It is and has always been about a portion of hongers that cannot accept the fact that HK is part of China.

Well, stop starting shit...HK is a part of China. Deal with it.

Sorry bro u don't know jack shit about hongers or Hong Kong if u think like that

Hongers are protesting cuz this is a major game change and it's not even been 50 years yet, they promised 50 years unchanged but all of sudden they drop a bomb like this on us

If China understand what hongers wanted and gave us a little bit more respect instead of iron fist then we wouldn't have 2 million ppl on the street protesting for the same thing

U must really thank China and the hk government for that as I never seen hongers so united as one before the umbrella movement and I never thought I see it again

[threezero]

Sorry bro u don't know jack shit about hongers or Hong Kong if u think like that

Hongers are protesting cuz this is a major game change and it's not even been 50 years yet, they promised 50 years unchanged but all of sudden they drop a bomb like this on us

If China understand what hongers wanted and gave us a little bit more respect instead of iron fist then we wouldn't have 2 million ppl on the street protesting for the same thing

U must really thank China and the hk government for that as I never seen hongers so united as one before the umbrella movement and I never thought I see it again

I think what Honger don't realize is that. This is not how China plays, they do not "give respect" to a territory that they consider under their governance.

CCP rules just like any Chinese dynasty that came before it. Dissonance are to either assimilate or be silence. Look more recently and see how Tibet has been dealt with.

Taiwan succeeded in the separation from China because they severe themselves physically, political, culturally and back by other international super powers. They had to go to the very extreme and garner forced respect from CCP (in that they let Taiwan be while still claiming sovereignty to Taiwan on an international stage).


Like other have said, HK protest has evolve from way more than the extradition bill to a general discontent over CCP's rules. Protestor really need to re-group and think about the end game here. Is Hong Kong really ready to stand on their own?

What is not posted here is the daily complaints from everyday Honger that neutral or even pro-CCP that just wants this to stop. Hong Kong at this moment still depend greatly on the CCP. Pork price has risen tenfold since the protest, CCP is already economically strangling HK and this protest is just giving them more reason to do so.


I hope notbody downvote me thinking i am pro-China. I am pro-democray and pro-peace. Let not lie to ourselves here. The only way the protestor will be satisfy is if Hong Kong has some form of democracy.

China will never grant HK the form of democrazy they crave. So what is the game plan? You know China is waiting for HK to 1) give up 2) escalate to greater violence so they can send in the actual army


If you look at actually locally done interview of all the protester in HK. This leaderless movement is just that leaderless, the city is divided. Despite what is shown in the media, I don't think Hong Kong is united enough for an actual war against CCP for the freedom they so desired

[SkinnyPupp]

China is currently working on completely reforming how they govern Hong Kong. We'll have to wait and see if that means they back off to pre-2047 ways (the way it's stated in the constitution) or if they strangle HK even harder.

[twitchyzero]

CCP respects taiwan/ROC?

more like the epitome of butt-hurt

they only haven't made a move on the island because US/Japan/SKorea/Philippines would be knocking on their door if they staged a military invasion

[threezero]

CCP respects taiwan/ROC?

more like the epitome of butt-hurt

they only haven't made a move on the island because US/Japan/SKorea/Philippines would be knocking on their door if they staged a military invasion

That is what I meant for forced respect.

China is only leaving Taiwan along because of all the international support, Taiwan’s own army and ofc Taiwan having successfully severed the umbilical cord to China for decades.

This is the only form of respect China is capable of giving.

Interesting to see how Hong Kong plays out. IMO honger will never be happy unless they have the type of democracy/governance they see in Taiwan.

[Tim Budong]

problem is.. If HK did what taiwan did.. say 40years ago.. when china wasnt the megapower it is today, HK could be independent. Now? no chance in hell

its sad, but the grandfather knows this.

[Badhobz]

it's impossible and that's why i don't know what the hell is the point of all this. End game will remain the same. Move out. If you cant take the CCP bullshit, just move the fuck out like so many families in China did. Im sure if you even have a meager little 500sqft condo in HK it'll yield into a richmond McMansion here.

[threezero]

Its not up to us living here in freedom land to dictate whether something is worth it base on the assumed endings.

All of us here are armchair general discussing this issue safe and far from the actual epicentre.
I was just in China not long ago and discussion of this issue is not done in public even though almost everybody I came across know this is happening not far from them. They all have their own opinions yet nobody wants say it.

One stop over in Hong Kong. Of course Everybody there also has an opinion about this and they are no afraid to voice it, whether it is for or against. You can hear people arguing amongst themselves, amongst strangers, even with customers. Although the city is tense you can tell this whole issue is important to the city and will likely affect generations of Hongers to come.

If they give up now, they might have caved to what we see as a futile fight. If they continues and this turns into a straight up revolution and god forbid lives are losed. Well Honger are the only one to blame for that, and whether it is worth it will be up to future generations to decide and to judge whether today actions is worth what they enjoy or not enjoy in the future/in their generations.


I am sure there was alot of naysayer back in US civil war days. And today, they celebrate independence days.

[twitchyzero]

problem is.. If HK did what taiwan did.. say 40years ago.. when china wasnt the megapower it is today, HK could be independent. Now? no chance in hell

its sad, but the grandfather knows this.

there were tons of growing pain under true military dictatorship...longest martial law in history at the time

imprisonment/massacre of the educated/elite
forced to speak only Mandarin in public

inb4 twdm calls them pussies

[Traum]

What is not posted here is the daily complaints from everyday Honger that neutral or even pro-CCP that just wants this to stop. Hong Kong at this moment still depend greatly on the CCP. Pork price has risen tenfold since the protest, CCP is already economically strangling HK and this protest is just giving them more reason to do so.

This is how many in Hong Kong continues to think, but I don't think it has to necessarily turn out that way. While Hong Kong imports over 90% of its food from non-Hong Kong sources -- including over 90% of its fresh beef, fresh pork, and fresh veggies from China -- as well as over 70% of its water from Guangdong, it does not necessarily have to operate like that. As an international hub and port, Hong Kong could just as easily source its food from anywhere around the world. The fresh stuff is imported from China only because it was done partly out of habit, but also partly out of the unspoken rule that the established suppliers all have Mainland Chinese ties, and China continues to want people in Hong Kong to think that Hong Kong's very existence depends on China. That is entirely false.

Two staple food in Hong Kong are rice and chicken. By and large, Hong Kong people actually overwhelmingly prefer and eat Thai rice. Hardly anyone eat Chinese rice because Chinese rice is considered to be of inferior quality. Normally, over 2/3 of the chicken that Hong Kong consumes are grown locally in Hong Kong. The industry does source their some of their eggs / infant chicks from China, but for the most part, the chicken that gets eaten in Hong Kong are grown in Hong Kong. As a matter of fact, during the avian flu epidemics, chicken farmers had repeatedly ask the HKSAR government to stop Chinese chicken imports to no avail. Then as a result of cross contamination, the Hong Kong chickens had to be killed as well when the city wide purge was ordered.

The high end foods are all imported from non-China countries. High grade beef from Japan, Korea, and the US. High grade seafood from Japan -- air flown in on a daily basis (that's why good Japanese food in Hong Kong is so ridiculously expensive). High end fruits from Japan, Korea, and SE Asia.

The sourcing of drinking water has been a ridiculous and on-going sticking point. The Chinese dependence exists only because the Chinese government is forcing the HKSAR gov to unconditionally purchase it at ridiculously expensive prices. I've read some newspaper comparisons before where Singpore also imports most of its drinking water from its neighbour (Malyasia), but they are paying prices that is something like 15x cheaper. In Hong Kong's case, desalination would also have been a viable choice, but the HKSAR gov refuses to explore its viability bcos China.

At the end of the day, as far as food is concerned, Hong Kong can just as easily source all of its current food from non-Chinese sources and continue to be sufficient. Many of the reasons this is not happening is purely political.

Another inconvenient truth is, China is a net importer of food as well, and has been for quite some time. Its self-sufficiency declined from 97% in 2001 to 86% in 2014. More recent data is difficult to come by, but estimates have ranged in the 60 - 70% as rural areas continue to urbanize.

I think it is fairly clear that what many -- likely even most -- Hong Kongers want is for China to honour the Sino-UK joint declaration and China's agreement of 1-country-2-system. China obviously would not want to concede control to anyone, including merely just Hong Kongers. IMO, it remains questionable whether China can succeed in retaining full control of Hong Kong the way they want. It would be naive to think that the US or much of the western world would altruistically support Hong Kong in its fight for democracy, but in the US' case, for example, they might really have some tangible incentives to ensure Hong Kong continues to retain some degree of autonomy.

I have probably said this before in the thread -- IMO, it would be wiser for China to realize that there are more benefits to allow for a partially autonomous Hong Kong to exist, instead of the falsely autonomous Hong Kong that we see now because the Western countries are finally starting to see through the pretense now. If China continues to tighten its grip on Hong Kong, the US would have a real interest in revoking the US - Hong Kong policy to stop (or slow) the technological and IP theft that is benefiting China. And if that happens, the EU would like try to ask for a similar deal with China as well. And then China would really be doomed on the technological front.

[SkinnyPupp]

Today in Causeway Bay

https://twitter.com/JOceanW/status/1152868008328482816

Police originally approved a path to Wan Chai, but eventually fell back since so many people kept showing up. It should reach Admiralty again

[StylinRed]

bbc showed anti-protester rallies going on too, and also ppl posting anti protester flyers around the city


also a anti china protester had weapons and molotovs ready for this weekend but was arrested

[SkinnyPupp]

bbc showed anti-protester rallies going on too, and also ppl posting anti protester flyers around the city


also a anti china protester had weapons and molotovs ready for this weekend but was arrested
Yes there was an anti protester rally, bus loads of people came down from China to participate. I saw someone interfering in a BBC broadcast to call them fake news, because the pro-government people are really pushing a racist anti-western agenda. There was one idiotic pro-communist lawmaker who questioned this twitter guy who has been there from the beginning, saying he is giving signals to people to create violence. She is literally an idiot.

And yeah there's that bust of like 1KG of TNT-like explosives, which just happened to be in the same room as a bunch of pro-separatist information, pro-democracy pamphlets, and the iconic yellow helmets that have come to identify protesters. Funny how that all came together the night before today's protest, hmm?

[highfive]

Man it’s a shit show. Twitter showing protesters going back to Yuen long getting attacked by triads looking guys in white.

[CorneringArtist]

Man it’s a shit show. Twitter showing protesters going back to Yuen long getting attacked by triads looking guys in white.

From the videos I've seen, they were attacking anyone on the MTR at the time, regardless of political affiliation. That included women, the elderly, and children.

Police conveniently arrived after the attacks ended.

[twitchyzero]

getting attacked by thugs for protesting against police brutality...is that worth it?

why not re-group only when the gov't tries to reinstate the extradition law/pass another CCP-friendly bill?

are these demonstrations quite large only during evenings and weekends or are most still sacrificing paycheques/classes to attend the protests?

[MG1]

Every post in this thread makes me glad I'm here and not there. True North, Strong and Free.


the words below (first quote in sig) holds true............

[6793026]

Man it’s a shit show. Twitter showing protesters going back to Yuen long getting attacked by triads looking guys in white.

what? My friend was wearing black and he got attacked. He got a few stitches and that night he made the decision to leave hk; he will bring his family back.

[Traum]

This is one of the most popular video that has repeatedly showed up on my social media feeds today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHM3AzMmxh8

There are many more videos capturing different beatings circulating on the Internet, but this one seems to have gone the most viral because of the simple impact that it carries -- you get a clear glimpse into what is happening in Hong Kong today. It is not a clip from a Hong Kong triad movie, but triad members were most definitely involved.

As a result of the on-going protests, the HKSAR (Hong Kong Special Administrative Region) government and HKPD (Hong Kong Police Department) have quietly agreed to have triad members in Yuen Long attack the general public. The result is what you see below, though it is only one of the many brutal scenes that took place last night.

The violent mob is dressed in white, and generally armed with sticks / clubs / wooden batons, although long butcher knives have also been seen on multiple occassions. Private messages have gone out to some Yuen Long residents prior to the July 21 date, advising the local residents to avoid going out after 12pm, and to dress in white if they must go out. On many occassions, the mob indiscriminately and severely beat on anyone not wearing their white tee / dark pants uniform -- including the elderly and at least one pregnant woman. Bloody injuries as well as blunt / trauma type of injuries were widely observed.

The general public has called the police for help on countless occasions, but the police have failed to show up until well over an hour later. 2 local detachments in the area have explicitly closed their doors and ignored those who came to the station to ask for help. And when the police have finally showed up and the general public was questioning the much delayed response, an inspector-grade officer in uniform defiantely told the public he does not need to keep track of time / response time, and physically gestured the angry public to physically hit him if they want to.

When a government has sunk as low as this, and resort to tactics as dirty as what we can see, there is absolutely no need to respect any of official decision makers. These decision makers, the most obvious of which include the HKCEO Carrie Lam and HKPD Chief Stephen Lo, deserves to rot in hell and forever have their names engraved in the history of shame.

[bcedhk]

They've wasted all their effort from the 90's to build their solid reputation and now have sunken to an all-time low.

Also, watching legislator Junius Ho, Ann Chiang and Regina Ip just make my blood boil.

[Alpine]

I know the thugs are armed with blunt weapons, but its times like this when people would band together and fight back. If your going to get beat up, you might as well fight back, and if everyone fights back together, they might be able to overwhelm these thugs.

[EvoFire]

https://www.facebook.com/ChanKamShui/posts/2336638383089638?__xts__[0]=68.ARBrEeBMgpfuybLPQSlMJWIAh4ivtUH31vQASsVe8NBuMQ _Mgv4YB72M5ti6JsxSVIOyu0uZbJ8GujbGSrA7d8Y1Q0z7Dzdy T_W8BId3NbhFIDhBmgXJkAztsKC72MNhLl7HiMW351O5piO-hewc9FXcZUKNM9lS7S1_1kad6bEIUUNZZzPo0YSLwqrk9ISs8B medQOCSepTmKMn2iQS-DWK79UklmIiVI_-r4qybjxe7o34SHCM1EBjvSLaxDlWOowfi_FzTECQNbEVJnaKPP biiWFwiv3JT2z0Op29o5RcyhGJeCW2ayquktTqcAetYd1lIjl0 1MlaVF4&__tn__=H-R

I'm not sure how or if FB embed works. but here goes:

The above message has been circulated amongst protesters. This is coming from people who work internally in government:

1。林氏在星期初的政府高層早禱會已經強烈表明，不會「撒回」亦不會再道歉、亦不會成立獨立調查委員。會上 要求各局長在各自的政策範疇「出力」，所以有步署地逐日由黃緯倫出嚟講明日大嶼，到陳肇始講流感，再到陳帆 講沙中線，未來都會有不同的局長出來霸佔新聞版面，溝淡721的壓力
Carrie Lam has stated in their meetings that the bill will NOT be retracted, and will not apologize for anything that has happened. There will be no independent investigations. They will have top officials announce unrelated news and developments in order to push any news about extradition bill and protests and violence downwards in terms of importance.。

2。x環已經出手，大量水軍打輿論戰，所以各大論壇facebook已經充斥大量打手，今次顧用的是本地打 手，人數幾百人。另外，潛伏的「鬼」亦會出動主力抹黑泛民，務求打散整體號召力，以及為建制在即將舉行的區 選減壓。
The government will be hiring internet professionals to try to fight any dissonance in FB and forums. This will be numbering in the hundreds. They will also have people join protestors and the opposition party to try and render them less effective. This is to help reduce competition in the upcoming district elections.

3。林氏受到警察幾大工會的強大壓力，而盧偉聰在內部會議上亦直言自己飽受評擊。因此，721會採用類似7 1升旗的部署，利用加大碼水馬圍封主要建築物，警方會在水馬後布防，以減少警民雙方的衝突機會，目的係減少 警察與示威者衝突的機會，保住重要建築物。另外，亦會視情況考慮用水炮車噴射顏色液體，以阻嚇 示威人士。
The police unions applied a lot of pressure on the government, and the head of police (Stephen Lo) also exclaimed that he has been hearing many complaints from many different faucets. For 721, the police will employ XL water fences (I'm guessing the plastic fences with water in them) to prevent protesters from having direct confrontation with front line police. They will also use dyed liquids in their water cannons to deter protesters.

4。「有關方面」已安排為數千人的不明人士，代替警察應付勇武派的衝擊，在遊行中途率先發起口角，將衝突轉 移到勇武與愛港人士，警察善後挽回民意。有人曾經反對但無能為力。
"Associated groups" have arranged for thousands of anonymous people to challenge and attack protestors, so police will not have to confront protestors. There were oppositions to this idea, but were shot down.

5。至於各區遊行及連儂牆，強力部門的地區工作部已會見地區人士組織及建制派，利用他們地區網絡處理，元朗 就係其中一個例子，利用地區人士用自己的方式去令遊行無法進行。其他地區如大埔、北角亦將跟隨。另外，各部 門如消防、運輸署會向警方出信，對各區的遊行表示憂慮，作為警方不批不反對通知書的理據，因此警方會拖延各 區的不反對通知書審批
Pro-government groups will be using their own methods to prevent any protests from happening. What happened at the Lennon wall in Yuen Long was an example of what pro-governemnt groups are doing. The police have also asked the department of transportation and fire departments to send letters as reasons to deny any permits for gatherings, citing safety, etc.



I honestly did not believe that this was happening, I thought it was some one trying to drum up support for the protestors. #4 seemed especially egregious. But seeing what happened with the triad attacking people, and the lame responses from the police, I've lost faith in the HK government's ability to do the right thing and make this go away peacefully.

PS: It was shared in Chinese, I added in the translations myself, so please bear with me if it maybe a little off.

[SkinnyPupp]

I don't even know what to think now. It's getting worse and worse. The HK Police is literally letting gang members run free and attack people. Today they are saying that there were "rival gangs" fighting in Yuen Long. They claimed that they went looking but couldn't find any weapons.

Hong Kong is falling apart. If you wondered "how bad can it be?" well it's really bad. This isn't a "put your head down and go about your life and make lots of money"... Lots of innocent people were "putting their heads down" and got attacked.

As for fighting back and using protesters overwhelming numbers, what do you think was the intent of the government getting these thugs to do this? Every single thing is to try to get the protesters to look violent. It's escalated every week. But they still haven't fought back with violence.

[EvoFire]

I don't even know what to think now. It's getting worse and worse. The HK Police is literally letting gang members run free and attack people. Today they are saying that there were "rival gangs" fighting in Yuen Long.

Hong Kong is falling apart. If you wondered "how bad can it be?" well it's really bad. This isn't a "put your head down and go about your life and make lots of money"... Lots of innocent people were "putting their heads down" and got attacked.

As for fighting back and using protesters overwhelming numbers, what do you think was the intent of the government getting these thugs to do this? Every single thing is to try to get the protesters to look violent. It's escalated every week. But they still haven't fought back with violence.

The protestors can't really fight back.

Only way I see this stopping is if the triads hurt the wrong person. They are indiscriminately attacking anyone and everyone. It'll take an important government official's family/friend to get hurt before this will stop.

[SkinnyPupp]

The protestors can't really fight back.

Only way I see this stopping is if the triads hurt the wrong person. They are indiscriminately attacking anyone and everyone. It'll take an important government official's family/friend to get hurt before this will stop.
Not really. If that person's family/friend got hurt, the rest of the govt will just say well they shouldn't have been there.

One person getting hurt isn't going to matter to these people, they have a goal in mind, and there will be collateral damage.

[Razor Ramon HG]

Well, the triad gangsters already hurt a politician.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lam_Cheuk-ting

https://www.facebook.com/LamCheukTing.Official/

He uploaded videos and was injured during filming.

Apparently a pregnant lady miscarried because she was beat up during the attack as well.

https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/cg25wv/a_pregnant_woman_receiving_medical_attention_at/

[twitchyzero]

Britain failed the people of Hong Kong for believing the communists would honour basic law

[bcedhk]

One of the triad member had a heart attack after chasing a protester.

https://media.giphy.com/media/igQ6H9blzuKkSwm2ek/giphy.gif

Karmas a bitch.

[6793026]

If you watch one of the videos; one of the bald police officer (at night time, while waiting for the police bus to pick them up) was being SUPER calm being interviewed by all these "reporter" (which is literally everyone with an iphone; as there are tons of fake "reporter" badges being sold online now).

It's very difficult when you get TONS of people swarming you asking you questions.
"Why are you not doing your job and making an arrest"
"You say you don't know.... how are you call yourself a cop"
"Is that how you do things... Why haven't your team providing support to the innocent"

ANY NORMAL human being would LOVE to give them their piece of mind.
I don't care what professional training you have had in cadets / academy to control your temper...
It's like being GRILLED by your MOTHER FOOKING GF/BF....Rapid firing questions you want to defend and falcon punch that bitch / a-hole but you just can't...

[twdm]

If you watch one of the videos; one of the bald police officer (at night time, while waiting for the police bus to pick them up) was being SUPER calm being interviewed by all these "reporter" (which is literally everyone with an iphone; as there are tons of fake "reporter" badges being sold online now).

It's very difficult when you get TONS of people swarming you asking you questions.
"Why are you not doing your job and making an arrest"
"You say you don't know.... how are you call yourself a cop"
"Is that how you do things... Why haven't your team providing support to the innocent"

ANY NORMAL human being would LOVE to give them their piece of mind.
I don't care what professional training you have had in cadets / academy to control your temper...
It's like being GRILLED by your MOTHER FOOKING GF/BF....Rapid firing questions you want to defend and falcon punch that bitch / a-hole but you just can't...

Are you actually defending the police in this situation? Random citizens being beat up by thugs and the police officer acts like nothing happened. White-shirt protesters holding metal bats and poles and the police said they didn't see anything and let them all go. Is it really hard to believe that even the reporters are angry at the situation?

There is so much wrong with the situation that I'm wondering if there's any signs of intelligence in that brain of yours.

I'll be joining any protest to burn those fuckers down in the coming week.

[Badhobz]

Britain failed the people of Hong Kong for believing the communists would honour basic law

nobody should be surprised here. It's ignorant to even think China would uphold their own laws cuz they have such a great fucking record of doing that.

I'm so glad I left.

[Traum]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvbbDwLKQis

All of this happened for real. It looks like the triad movies that I watched when I was a kid, but all of it happened for real.

God bless Hong Kong...

[SkinnyPupp]

https://streamable.com/26c3o

Shops are closing in Yuen Long malls today, as the triad/mainland thugs are starting to appear again. Since they have no worries about being arrested, they think they can do whatever they want. The public just has to react to that. And they're doing that by getting the fuck out.

China was saying that they were going to change how they dealt with Hong Kong without using military force... I didn't expect this though.

[SkinnyPupp]

People going to the police station to report crimes as witnesses

https://twitter.com/anti_elab/status/1153211430201516032

[StylinRed]

The gangs are definitely being ordered and paid to do so by the gov't.
But I find it odd that the protesters are willing to attack the police so violently, yet run from, and allow themselves to be beaten by, punks
Beating gangsters attacking you isn't going to look worse than beating police trying to maintain order

https://youtu.be/E6P5HcsOUhM

Long vid

[SkinnyPupp]

But I find it odd that the protesters are willing to attack the police so violently, yet run from, and allow themselves to be beaten by, punks


That's because they aren't "attacking the police so violently" except for one case where (possibly) a cop (he had no uniform, just a police shield) threw himself into a crowd of them

If you paid any attention whatsoever to facts and not propaganda, there's no way you could think the protesters are being violent towards police. They will try to hold lines and push back against the police by tossing umbrellas in their direction, but that's been it. The police have been trying to get them to be violent more and more for the last month, but they haven't bitten. We even saw that guy eating punches and getting KO'd.

It's the same thing here. The protesters aren't looking for a fight, they're just trying to express themselves. The fact that they didn't fight back should show you just that.

Also a lot of the people injured were press, lawmakers, and at least one pregnant women who got knocked out when her husband was trying to protect her. Rumors are she lost her baby, but who knows.

[fetched]

Yes, HK is quickly turning into a shithole now...Wait until they start coming back to Vancouver then the locals will have something else to complain....

https://m.weibo.cn/search?containerid=231522type%3D1%26q%3D%23守护香港%23 #&gid=1&pid=1

[Badhobz]

Wonder how all of this is affecting HK real estate prices. Better tell my father in law to sell his house in HK before it all goes to shit.

[buhdeh]

Yes, HK is quickly turning into a shithole now...Wait until they start coming back to Vancouver then the locals will have something else to complain....

https://m.weibo.cn/search?containerid=231522type%3D1%26q%3D%23守护香港%23 #&gid=1&pid=1

Vancouverites wish they were back in the days of just complaining about hongers.

They didn't know how good they actually had it until they got a taste of mainlanders :heckno:

[68style]

I've lived in Richmond since 1979 and I never complained about hongers once... I was in like Grade 2 or 3 when immigration really picked up and all those people are still friends of mine to this day.

Many went back to HK because of way better money making opportunities, but when we were kids before cell phones and you met everyone's parents on the regular, every single one of those families I ever met that came here, came here to be Canadian and integrate and worked their ass off to learn English and had the same basic interests in society as westerners from what I could tell. Maybe a bit tougher on their kids with the piano and after-school activities and education pressures, but that's it. They really appreciated the lifestyle here and wanted to be a part of it.

Very different attitude from what followed after.................................

[winson604]

I've lived in Richmond since 1979 and I never complained about hongers once... I was in like Grade 2 or 3 when immigration really picked up and all those people are still friends of mine to this day.

Many went back to HK because of way better money making opportunities, but when we were kids before cell phones and you met everyone's parents on the regular, every single one of those families I ever met that came here, came here to be Canadian and integrate and worked their ass off to learn English and had the same basic interests in society as westerners from what I could tell. Maybe a bit tougher on their kids with the piano and after-school activities and education pressures, but that's it. They really appreciated the lifestyle here and wanted to be a part of it.

Very different attitude from what followed after.................................

Maybe because you were younger. The boom happened when I was in Highschool and this coincided with the boom of Richmond. You're right though, they came and integrated. Learned our language and embraced our culture but I wouldn't say they were welcomed with open open arms right off the bat. Most who came had money and the way some of them acted didn't sit well with others but to be honest it wasn't so different with anyone else who had money but the difference was the large influx all coming from a single race. I went to Churchill so our school at the time was like 90% Chinese a lot of which were Hongers. Parents lived in HK while the kids had the entire house to themselves, their allowances were in the thousands, they were already getting Mercedes and BMW's before they even turned 16. Most of them were cool though because they really had an interest to integrate right away. I became friends with a lot and it wasn't long before the groups of people were mixed CBC and Hongers. Even till this day my friends consist of mixed CBC and Hongers who really at this point are not different than CBCs anyway.

With that said, the reaction towards the Mainlanders are far different than the Hongers and Twangers that came in the 90's for sure, not even close.

[68style]

^ I agree, I don't think the city itself welcomed them with open arms, lots of stories of kids in school having nicer cars than the teachers and just like any society there were some snobby kids and some troublemaker kids... just for myself personally, I never thought poorly of them.

[SkinnyPupp]

People worry way too much about how much others pay for their cars... You can be the nicest, most humble down to earth 18 year old, but if you drive a BMW, somehow you're an asshole... Who cares?

[winson604]

^ I agree, I don't think the city itself welcomed them with open arms, lots of stories of kids in school having nicer cars than the teachers and just like any society there were some snobby kids and some troublemaker kids... just for myself personally, I never thought poorly of them.

Yea, same. Were some of the kids cocky? You bet, but they to me represented a very small percentage of them. Most of them were very normal people who already had a certain level of English but I was one of those CBC's that actually spoke Canto so I got a long with them instantly. The funny thing is some of my friends will sometimes ask if we still consider them Hongers and what would we actually define as a Honger now.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Maybe because you were younger. The boom happened when I was in Highschool and this coincided with the boom of Richmond. You're right though, they came and integrated. Learned our language and embraced our culture but I wouldn't say they were welcomed with open open arms right off the bat. Most who came had money and the way some of them acted didn't sit well with others but to be honest it wasn't so different with anyone else who had money but the difference was the large influx all coming from a single race. I went to Churchill so our school at the time was like 90% Chinese a lot of which were Hongers. Parents lived in HK while the kids had the entire house to themselves, their allowances were in the thousands, they were already getting Mercedes and BMW's before they even turned 16. Most of them were cool though because they really had an interest to integrate right away. I became friends with a lot and it wasn't long before the groups of people were mixed CBC and Hongers. Even till this day my friends consist of mixed CBC and Hongers who really at this point are not different than CBCs anyway.

With that said, the reaction towards the Mainlanders are far different than the Hongers and Twangers that came in the 90's for sure, not even close.

That's because in HK and TW you still have manners and common sense. With a lot of mainland Chinese that does not happen (IE letting their kids poo in a garbage bin in Richmond center or wash their stinky feet using the fountain that was suppose to wash your hands), getting their family to stand in a parking lot spot so others can't use it while they slowly come around with their cars, instead of waiting for waiters to come by they simply yet half way across the restaurant to get serve, etc etc..... or simply like to cut in line and when things don't go the way they like they simply cry racism, like to show off their wealth.

[winson604]

That's because in HK and TW you still have manners and common sense. With a lot of mainland Chinese that does not happen (IE letting their kids poo in a garbage bin in Richmond center or wash their stinky feet using the fountain that was suppose to wash your hands), getting their family to stand in a parking lot spot so others can't use it while they slowly come around with their cars, instead of waiting for waiters to come by they simply yet half way across the restaurant to get serve, etc etc..... or simply like to cut in line and when things don't go the way they like they simply cry racism, like to show off their wealth.

Bingo, it really made all the difference in the world that aside from some small things that they were more or less the same with their mannerisms etc

[bcedhk]

The gangs are definitely being ordered and paid to do so by the gov't.
But I find it odd that the protesters are willing to attack the police so violently, yet run from, and allow themselves to be beaten by, punks
Beating gangsters attacking you isn't going to look worse than beating police trying to maintain order

https://youtu.be/E6P5HcsOUhM

Long vid


yep, there are clips showing people getting in and out of vans with $500 bills. It wouldn't be surprising if this was supported by mainland forces.

[Razor Ramon HG]

Lol, Junius Ho is supposedly scared for his life now and wants to flee to the US.

Can't make this shit up.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Lol, Junius Ho is supposedly scared for his life now and wants to flee to the US.

Can't make this shit up.

who?

[bcedhk]

Lol, Junius Ho is supposedly scared for his life now and wants to flee to the US.

Can't make this shit up.

Any sauce?

If he loves China so much why doesn't he flee to China? As Regina Ip said, if you go oversea, they won't love you.

lol

[bcedhk]

who?

Do a google search and you'll find a lot of crap about him. Essentially he talks out of his ass, but still has strong support from triads and extreme pro-china organizations.

TL;DR of his recent events:

1. He was filmed shaking hands and congratulating triad members on performing the train attack on passengers.
2. Afterwards, in his interview with the press, he continues to support the triads and said the attackers were just defending their "home".

He has a bunch of other shit that is too long to list here, but from my recollection:

-He falsified his bar association membership in UK/Singapore
-He has taken selfies in the high court when it is prohibited.
-At a protest a few years ago, he told his supporter to kill those who support HK independence.

[Razor Ramon HG]

Any sauce?

If he loves China so much why doesn't he flee to China? As Regina Ip said, if you go oversea, they won't love you.

lol

No confirmed sauce, just something making the rounds around the internet.

On side note, this is interesting.

Junius Ho shaking hands with a thug who has a police officer wife.

Pretty much confirms how fucked up it is.

[EmperorIS]

No confirmed sauce, just something making the rounds around the internet.

On side note, this is interesting.

Junius Ho shaking hands with a thug who has a police officer wife.

Pretty much confirms how fucked up it is.

holy shit... if this is true the collusion is beyond fucked up. Hong Kong can pretty much be written off already.

But it could be that the husband who would obviously be supporting the police decided to take matters into his own hands against the protestors.

[Razor Ramon HG]

holy shit... if this is true the collusion is beyond fucked up. Hong Kong can pretty much be written off already.

But it could be that the husband who would obviously be supporting the police decided to take matters into his own hands against the protestors.

I think regardless of this situation and their relationship, it's been proven with videos and pictures that the HK police were working together with the triads the other day.

Now how many of those are actually PLA in disguise, I don't know.

[Rallydrv]

extradite them all to china for punishment.

oh wait.


all seriousness this is just crazy. they seem like kids.. wtf

[SkinnyPupp]

I think regardless of this situation and their relationship, it's been proven with videos and pictures that the HK police were working together with the triads the other day.

Now how many of those are actually PLA in disguise, I don't know.
They don't need PLA in disguise, China uses these thugs to do "the dirty work" all the time in China. They did the exact same thing in Mong Kok in 2014.

Every step they take is to try to get the protesters to act violent. So far it hasn't worked, but they keep pushing and pushing, and eventually they are going to fight back. That's when we finally get martial law.

[Razor Ramon HG]

They don't need PLA in disguise, China uses these thugs to do "the dirty work" all the time in China. They did the exact same thing in Mong Kok in 2014.

Every step they take is to try to get the protesters to act violent. So far it hasn't worked, but they keep pushing and pushing, and eventually they are going to fight back. That's when we finally get martial law.

Oh, my bad, I meant how many of the HKPF are actually PLA in disguise.

I was reading how some of those thugs were paid around 500HKD to beat people up. One of the dudes had a heart attack after chasing someone.

:lawl:

[SkinnyPupp]

Yeah honestly that guy dropping dead like a sack of shit is the only thing that keeps that night from being a total tragedy. Probably one of the best cases of karma I've ever seen!

[6793026]

Had a great chat today with a friend. Can there be a triad that's patriotic?

Can't a group of triad be really protective?
Imagine this, this triad is loyal to his home town, Yuen Long, and if you know, your friends & family is being jeopardized, wouldn't you have the right to defend & protect?

Why can't I kick the shit out of people / protesters (regardless of which side you're on)?
If you're going to ransack my business, you be sure I'm going to call my buddies to beat the shit out of you if you want to cause a riot in my town?

[Traum]

Had a great chat today with a friend. Can there be a triad that's patriotic?

Can't a group of triad be really protective?
Imagine this, this triad is loyal to his home town, Yuen Long, and if you know, your friends & family is being jeopardized, wouldn't you have the right to defend & protect?

Why can't I kick the shit out of people / protesters (regardless of which side you're on)?
If you're going to ransack my business, you be sure I'm going to call my buddies to beat the shit out of you if you want to cause a riot in my town?
Since the very first anti-gov protest started in June, has there been any businesses that was ransacked by protesters? As far as I have seen, only the LegCo building received any kind of significant damage. And even then, the damages were very selectively applied, and almost always signified some sort of political meaning.

The Central Police office was defaced during the seige, but again, no damages to nearby businesses at all.

Even form the Shatin confrontation, I don't recall any businesses reporting any meaningful damage. The New City Plaza itself had to deal with a lot of clean up and Lennon Wall type of stuff, but again, where is the business damage that you speak of?

Lastly, note in the Yuen Long, the mob beating occurred when protesters were returning from the protest. They were more or less on their way home, along with other regular people who were just going about their day. What indication does anyone have that they will ransack businesses in Yuen Long?

[Bahhbeehhaaaa]

@Skinny take a look at this video, this explains all. I want your thoughts on this.
https://youtu.be/eV9AkFjqPzI
This video is in Cantonese
In short, any country that wants to challenge the US to be #1 will end up like... 1. Japan currency went sky rocketed in the 76's then fell to rock bottom. 2. Iran, oil rich (was a very prosperous city) 3. 2008 financial downturn goal is to take down the Euro. 4. Trade War, want to boost RMB, thus boosting import and decreases export. Targeting Hong Kong to start a revolution.

[EmperorIS]

https://youtu.be/O82Y59EIFU8

Classic and still rings true

[Manic!]

Had a great chat today with a friend. Can there be a triad that's patriotic?

Can't a group of triad be really protective?
Imagine this, this triad is loyal to his home town, Yuen Long, and if you know, your friends & family is being jeopardized, wouldn't you have the right to defend & protect?

Why can't I kick the shit out of people / protesters (regardless of which side you're on)?
If you're going to ransack my business, you be sure I'm going to call my buddies to beat the shit out of you if you want to cause a riot in my town?

It's one thing to protect your business but to attack random people and kick the shit out of people on a train? How is that helpful?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ajt2joIa0qs

[SkinnyPupp]

Had a great chat today with a friend. Can there be a triad that's patriotic?

Can't a group of triad be really protective?
Imagine this, this triad is loyal to his home town, Yuen Long, and if you know, your friends & family is being jeopardized, wouldn't you have the right to defend & protect?

Why can't I kick the shit out of people / protesters (regardless of which side you're on)?
If you're going to ransack my business, you be sure I'm going to call my buddies to beat the shit out of you if you want to cause a riot in my town?
So you're saying that it's OK to completely fabricate a reason to be violent towards the protesters? Yuen Long was never under any threat. Nothing had happened there before. No families were ever jeapordized (and they wouldn't be if there had been protests), no legit businesses have ever been threatened damaged (aside from defacing pro-government businesses, but again no looting or rioting, just messaging, and protesting against the "pharmacies" that help smuggle drugs and goods into China). There were no protests planned there. They just set up since a lot of people were coming home from the protests in CWB.

So "regardless of which side you're on" it's wrong to be "patriotic" or "loyal" if that means beating up old people, pregnant people, or fuck, anyone. You aren't "protecting" anything, you are just being a violent criminal.

[SkinnyPupp]

@Skinny take a look at this video, this explains all. I want your thoughts on this.
https://youtu.be/eV9AkFjqPzI
This video is in Cantonese
In short, any country that wants to challenge the US to be #1 will end up like... 1. Japan currency went sky rocketed in the 76's then fell to rock bottom. 2. Iran, oil rich (was a very prosperous city) 3. 2008 financial downturn goal is to take down the Euro. 4. Trade War, want to boost RMB, thus boosting import and decreases export. Targeting Hong Kong to start a revolution.
That's something I'd expect from CiC, not you LUL

[Tim Budong]

karma sucks eh
https://i.redd.it/d5j9b601m0c31.jpg

Junius Ho's parents gravestone was vandalised.

he really fucked with the wrong people.

story goes.. he didnt pay up for the attacks on Sunday. So they fucked with his parents gravestones

don't wish to see this happen to anyone tho, but this is what happens when you make a deal with people who shouldn't even be a part of this mess

[SkinnyPupp]

karma sucks eh
https://i.redd.it/d5j9b601m0c31.jpg

Junius Ho's parents gravestone was vandalised.

he really fucked with the wrong people.

story goes.. he didnt pay up for the attacks on Sunday. So they fucked with his parents gravestones

don't wish to see this happen to anyone tho, but this is what happens when you make a deal with people who shouldn't even be a part of this mess
It's way more likely that some anti extradition people did that, don't you think?

[twdm]

It's way more likely that some anti extradition people did that, don't you think?
Most likely. I was there to fuck up his tsuen wan office, but by the time I got there they were already pounding down his glass walls.

Was taken from outside his office just before they smashed it up. Couldnt get a closer pic cause the other protesters didnt allow pictures.
https://i.imgur.com/EUXwbtMh.jpg

[SkinnyPupp]

Right now at the Tuen Mun Rural Committee building:

https://streamable.com/knsa9

[bcedhk]

Had a great chat today with a friend. Can there be a triad that's patriotic?

Can't a group of triad be really protective?
Imagine this, this triad is loyal to his home town, Yuen Long, and if you know, your friends & family is being jeopardized, wouldn't you have the right to defend & protect?

Why can't I kick the shit out of people / protesters (regardless of which side you're on)?
If you're going to ransack my business, you be sure I'm going to call my buddies to beat the shit out of you if you want to cause a riot in my town?


You always chat with a "buddy" or "friend"... why can't you just say it's your opinion?

Everyone in YL and around the NT are staying at home with shops closed early because of the triads.

Last time I've checked, YL and NT area was pretty calm and quiet even when the protests were happening. But because of their efforts, protests will be shifting to NT lol.

[6793026]

I don't agree on taunting Yuen Long pharmacies because they sell stuff to mainland china people. Just a regular business selling milk power, Ferrero Rocher chocolates etc. Just a typical grey marketing shit. Not different than going to 先達 (Sin Tat) buying a grey market cell phone, heck I've done it a few times. No different than us buying shit in Asia and bringing it back to Canada.

Anywayssss

If a supremacist group (dressed in whatever color), decides to go to Richmond's Aberdeen / Parker place to protest for whatever _____insert whatever reason... and you come close to my friend / family's business jeopardizing (verbally attacking, or trying to tell me to close shop), you'll be sure I'll be outside defending.

I'm NOT condoning running onto the Canada Line to hit random strangers, I'm not going to beat on any fat pregnant woman.

I'm just saying I have all the right to defend my business & my family.

[SkinnyPupp]

I don't agree on taunting Yuen Long pharmacies because they sell stuff to mainland china people. Just a regular business selling milk power, Ferrero Rocher chocolates etc. Just a typical grey marketing shit. Not different than going to 先達 (Sin Tat) buying a grey market cell phone, heck I've done it a few times. No different than us buying shit in Asia and bringing it back to Canada.

Anywayssss

If a supremacist group (dressed in whatever color), decides to go to Richmond's Aberdeen / Parker place to protest for whatever _____insert whatever reason... and you come close to my friend / family's business jeopardizing (verbally attacking, or trying to tell me to close shop), you'll be sure I'll be outside defending.

I'm NOT condoning running onto the Canada Line to hit random strangers, I'm not going to beat on any fat pregnant woman.

I'm just saying I have all the right to defend my business & my family.
I know "sui foh" is pretty commonplace in HK and pretty much a part of shopping culture here. But this isn't quite the same thing. It's not simply a couple people coming down to buy some milk powder now and then. It's obviously a pretty big problem, and not just because the people are from China. I don't live near the border, so I can't say that I've experienced it myself, but I can only imagine what it must be like up there. I've seen the NON illegal cross border shopping, and it's insane during holidays. It's probably like that, or worse, every day in these towns. At least it's bad enough that it's a pretty big deal politically...

I think these people just want police and customs to just enforce their own laws. Call it what it is - illegal smuggling - even if it's not a "serious offense" it's still an issue. If they did this, the daily visitors to these areas would probably go down like 80% and locals would enjoy a more peaceful life

So anyway, it's crime, and who generally organizes crime? Why should we care about these people being affected by protests? They should technically be in jail! LUL

As for other businesses and families in the area being affected, who do you think are protesting against the smugglers and pharmacies in the first place?

And in your theoretical situation of attacking people protesting against (let's say the Richmond school district decided to start forcing kids in school to sing the China national anthem) because they're blocking you from getting a bubble tea or some shit... well you're in the wrong there (even if you somehow avoid hitting non protesters), that's all that needs to be said to that...

[highfive]

Most of the ppl making money off of these water goods (sui foh) are hk citizens.

It’s like the iPhone craze back in the day. All the phones bought just so people bring it back to China to flip.

But man what a childish thing to do to vandalize the grave? What’s the pt? Guy will just replace it. Might as well go big and dig his family up. He has enough money to replace the tomb.

[SkinnyPupp]

Most of the ppl making money off of these water goods (sui foh) are hk citizens.

It’s like the iPhone craze back in the day. All the phones bought just so people bring it back to China to flip.

I doubt that's true, but even if it was, it is irrelevant what their nationality is.

[twdm]

I'm NOT condoning running onto the Canada Line to hit random strangers, I'm not going to beat on any fat pregnant woman.

I'm just saying I have all the right to defend my business & my family.

You just did condone these actions.

So when the natives recently protested against the trans mountain pipeline, you believe the oil company now has the right to send hired thugs to beat them up? FailFish

Seriously, you're fucking messed up. If you ever run a business, please do tell me the address. I'll come and see if you back up your words.

[6793026]

And in your theoretical situation of attacking people protesting against (let's say the Richmond school district decided to start forcing kids in school to sing the China national anthem) because they're blocking you from getting a bubble tea or some shit... well you're in the wrong there (even if you somehow avoid hitting non protesters), that's all that needs to be said to that...

I was going to be epic and say protestors "Go back to your country .... we don't want you dirty laundry money, F U with your nice cars and increase in house values" Storms into Richmond & malls and gets violent.... I would defend rightfully.

I can't see it happening ever in Canada.. but you get my drift.

[highfive]

I doubt that's true, but even if it was, it is irrelevant what their nationality is.

I'm just saying, years ago a lot of hk people were buying water goods to bring it up to China to flip for money. There were tv shows interviewing these grannys and and uncles and they say how they make few hundred bucks a day and they get to go have dim sum in china and all. I agree, it doesn't matter what nationality they have but I agree the whole water goods thing is a culture between HK and China. Back in the day it was even bigger, I remember my parents telling me how some of their aunts and uncles used to bring different kind of goods up to China just because they don't have it there and they need those supplies for their families.

Now it's more for profit. That's all.

It only gotten worse is when there were formula shortages and people in HK felt that there should be some sort of control on it.

[ae101]

Here a bit of an insight on water good seller as I was once a part-time seller

It's started off with my few friends wanting stuff like milk powders and stuff like cuz they don't trust companies in China (even if it's the same brand overseas), shortly after iPhone 4s quickly due to demand and also the fact that most ppl prefer hk version of the iPhone (even to this day)

Business wasn't bad as I did make a $5000 profit in a once normal items I bring back are Apple products and few ps4s/games as well shoes

So yesterday my friend from China got this in one of his group chats (mind u this is a kpop and jpop group chat)

Me and my friend are not associated with both parties and don't take part in any of the riots/protests (I'm in China)

there is suppose to be an "gathering" later at admiralty station early in the morning today, but I'm not too sure how real information is as

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c105/rupert_ho/nice%20cars/856E22AE-E84E-42C3-BD20-E17D7FEBF909_zpszmelynuv.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c105/rupert_ho/nice%20cars/6A592C15-384C-4CBE-834F-4854ABB20E2E_zps1waabjdd.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c105/rupert_ho/nice%20cars/01538F1B-A7B0-4CCA-B5B2-325253BBD7FA_zps6c4wx7bc.jpg


My friend (same friend in China) also got a call for the attack at yuen long station, they told $500 up front just beat a bunch of useless youth in yuen long and we're all the way up in Guangzhou China (he didn't take part as he does not believe in violence and also $500 from mainland to hk for a day is pretty much pointless since he losing for this trip lol)

[Traum]

It's way more likely that some anti extradition people did that, don't you think?
Word on the street on the tomb vandalism is -- it is extremely unlikely for anyone other than local Yuen Long people did this. Specifically, it had to be someone familiar with the graveyards, and specifically familiar with Ho's parents' tomb because of the difficult and rugged landscape that leads to the tombs. Additionally, if you are not a local villager, nobody really ventures into these "local villages" since they are not particularly welcoming of outsiders to the point that they may not let you through / go into the village.

Adding that all up, it is unlikely for protesters to pull of this act of vandalism.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Here a bit of an insight on water good seller as I was once a part-time seller

It's started off with my few friends wanting stuff like milk powders and stuff like cuz they don't trust companies in China (even if it's the same brand overseas), shortly after iPhone 4s quickly due to demand and also the fact that most ppl prefer hk version of the iPhone (even to this day)

Business wasn't bad as I did make a $5000 profit in a once normal items I bring back are Apple products and few ps4s/games as well shoes

So yesterday my friend from China got this in one of his group chats (mind u this is a kpop and jpop group chat)

Me and my friend are not associated with both parties and don't take part in any of the riots/protests (I'm in China)

there is suppose to be an "gathering" later at admiralty station early in the morning today, but I'm not too sure how real information is as

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c105/rupert_ho/nice%20cars/856E22AE-E84E-42C3-BD20-E17D7FEBF909_zpszmelynuv.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c105/rupert_ho/nice%20cars/6A592C15-384C-4CBE-834F-4854ABB20E2E_zps1waabjdd.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c105/rupert_ho/nice%20cars/01538F1B-A7B0-4CCA-B5B2-325253BBD7FA_zps6c4wx7bc.jpg


My friend (same friend in China) also got a call for the attack at yuen long station, they told $500 up front just beat a bunch of useless youth in yuen long and we're all the way up in Guangzhou China (he didn't take part as he does not believe in violence and also $500 from mainland to hk for a day is pretty much pointless since he losing for this trip lol)

You are your friends are in trouble now. The Chinese gov is sure going to come after you since you ratted on them.

My parents are going back to HK in Sept and with so much shit going on I don't really feel safe for them to go back. I myself and my wife will be going back to China in Sept. if I am don't return then well we know the Chinese gov is spying on RS as well lol.

Back on topic. To be honest I think people have lose hope for HK already. People who I know that are able to get out either got out already or is planning to. Is only a matter of time when only the poor or those who can't leave HK will be left, the semi wealthy, middle class will leave. A friend of mine went to the protests but she is basically given up on HK gov and is planning to either go to taiwan or Calgary. taiwan is closer to her family and Calgary coz a lot of friends are there. From what she said over the years is getting worse and worse in HK. Now with the HK police openly letting gang just beat up random people, not arresting them and hanging up on people when people call the police line for help. What good is the police if they aren't there to help and serve its citizen? I am sure there are some police that feels this is wrong and wanted to quit.

[SkinnyPupp]

Word on the street on the tomb vandalism is -- it is extremely unlikely for anyone other than local Yuen Long people did this. Specifically, it had to be someone familiar with the graveyards, and specifically familiar with Ho's parents' tomb because of the difficult and rugged landscape that leads to the tombs. Additionally, if you are not a local villager, nobody really ventures into these "local villages" since they are not particularly welcoming of outsiders to the point that they may not let you through / go into the village.

Adding that all up, it is unlikely for protesters to pull of this act of vandalism.
Has it even been confirmed where these tombs are though? Not everyone is buried in these small village graveyards... There are huge cemeteries that are easy for anyone to access. And these look like fancy tombs, not the very basic type you'd find in a village graveyard

As for vandalism, if you saw what they did to his office, you wouldn't be surprised that they'd do this to his parents tombs. Not saying he doesn't deserve it, this guy is the scum of the earth. But I'd say 9/10 it's a protester (probably a distant acquaintance who is familiar with Ho's family, or knew someone who was)

[StylinRed]

Word on the street on the tomb vandalism is -- it is extremely unlikely for anyone other than local Yuen Long people did this. Specifically, it had to be someone familiar with the graveyards, and specifically familiar with Ho's parents' tomb because of the difficult and rugged landscape that leads to the tombs. Additionally, if you are not a local villager, nobody really ventures into these "local villages" since they are not particularly welcoming of outsiders to the point that they may not let you through / go into the village.

Adding that all up, it is unlikely for protesters to pull of this act of vandalism.

Hard eye roll

[SkinnyPupp]

https://twitter.com/wilfredchan/status/1153735655530221568

People asked who this Junius Ho guy is earlier... Basically a gangster/lawyer who is a pro-communist lawmaker in Hong Kong. You can read about his issues on his wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junius_Ho#Controversies), including homophobic remarks, advocating for the killing of protesters ("What’s wrong with killing enemies in a war?"), and possibly setting up the whole thing with the mainland/triad thugs attacking people in Yuen Long.

Now he's issuing death threats against another lawmaker in HK. Literally a death threat! And this guy is a fucking lawyer! FailFish

Translation: "in the paths ahead, one path is a living path, the other path is one where you won't live. Which one do you want to choose, make your decision early. Good night."

[SkinnyPupp]

https://www.facebook.com/RTHKVNEWS/videos/492726308145516/

Live stream of some protesters blocking MTR trains in Admiralty.. Both my wife and her sister are stuck in traffic lol

Cops trying to reason with the guy, nothing physical so far. This is good police work so far, but they will probably have to arrest the guy.

I think the point they're trying to make is that the police are willing to show up for this, but they were nowhere to be seen in yuen long (well actually they were there, but left the scene)

[Tim Budong]

https://twitter.com/wilfredchan/status/1153735655530221568

People asked who this Junius Ho guy is earlier... Basically a gangster/lawyer who is a pro-communist lawmaker in Hong Kong. You can read about his issues on his wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junius_Ho#Controversies), including homophobic remarks, advocating for the killing of protesters ("What’s wrong with killing enemies in a war?"), and possibly setting up the whole thing with the mainland/triad thugs attacking people in Yuen Long.

Now he's issuing death threats against another lawmaker in HK. Literally a death threat! And this guy is a fucking lawyer! FailFish

Translation: "in the paths ahead, one path is a living path, the other path is one where you won't live. Which one do you want to choose, make your decision early. Good night."

He says Chu Hoi Dik and his followers are responsible for the grave damaging.. lol..
Chu Hoi Dik and Junius got into a very heated argument on TV in the morning where Junius stormed off from the interview, then got verbally rekt'd by a RTHK staff member off camera

[Traum]

Has it even been confirmed where these tombs are though? Not everyone is buried in these small village graveyards... There are huge cemeteries that are easy for anyone to access. And these look like fancy tombs, not the very basic type you'd find in a village graveyard

The latest news scandal about this Lawyer Ho is that his parents tombs have actually been occupying crown land illegally:

https://www.hk01.com/01%E5%81%B5%E6%9F%A5/355462/%E5%85%83%E6%9C%97%E9%BB%91%E5%A4%9C-%E7%B6%B2%E6%B0%91%E7%88%86%E4%BD%95%E5%90%9B%E5%A 0%AF%E7%A5%96%E5%A2%B3%E9%9C%B8%E5%AE%98%E5%9C%B0-%E8%A8%98%E8%80%85%E6%A0%B8%E5%AF%A6%E4%BE%B5%E6%B 0%B4%E5%BA%AB%E5%9C%B0%E7%B4%84%E5%8D%83%E5%91%8E

From the news reporting that came about as a result, you get to know the approximate location of where the tombs are:

https://goo.gl/maps/L7QHWGdp3AiDH6Eg7

Indeed, the tombs are in the hills, and looks difficult to access due to the terrain and vegetation. Given the difficulty to access the tombs, it seems very likely that whoever vandalized the tombs must already be familiar with the area / the tombs / the cemetery.

[Mikoyan]

For those that don't really get how remote/out of the way some of these village plots are, it's not like the big open cemeteries we have in Canada.

To get to my grandfather's tomb in HK, we drove down some highway, pulled over on the shoulder, climbed up the 20m embankment, and then had to follow a single file path 100 to 200 m into the woods.

[twitchyzero]

are they gonna make a motion picture about this event starring Andy Lau?

[Tim Budong]

https://youtu.be/8kJtT--J_gg

Australia, Queensland Uni

[StylinRed]

That junius ho guy is insane... The problem with things escalating like this is you'll get radicals, on both sides, radicals who will have had enough and start attacking prominent figures on either side, Junius is just making himself out to be a bigger target with bs like that

[SkinnyPupp]

That junius ho guy is insane... The problem with things escalating like this is you'll get radicals, on both sides, radicals who will have had enough and start attacking prominent figures on either side, Junius is just making himself out to be a bigger target with bs like that
Can anyone on the pro-Beijing side be considered anything other than a radical? There are no legitimate arguments for any sort of law changes or integration, until starting in 2047

[Tim Budong]

That junius ho guy is insane... The problem with things escalating like this is you'll get radicals, on both sides, radicals who will have had enough and start attacking prominent figures on either side, Junius is just making himself out to be a bigger target with bs like that

everything that possibly will happen on Saturday in Yuen Long will be because of him. I feel like this guy has lost the support of the triads, the villages he represents and possibly within the government.

[ae101]

To happyslip, im current still alive in China lol

Also China is always watching rs lol

[threezero]

Can anyone on the pro-Beijing side be considered anything other than a radical? There are no legitimate arguments for any sort of law changes or integration, until starting in 2047

Radicals are people that advocate violence and extreme measure to achieve their purpose.

You can support either side without being a radical.

Freedom of speech and democracy means anybody should be able to voice their own opinions and have their own political belief.


FailFish
:moderated:

[bcedhk]

everything that possibly will happen on Saturday in Yuen Long will be because of him. I feel like this guy has lost the support of the triads, the villages he represents and possibly within the government.

Junius Ho, Regina Ip and Ann Chiang are trying to get as much spotlight as possible in order to gain fame and support from the radical pro-china group for the upcoming November elections. For those who don't know who they are, Wikipedia and youtube pretty much sum up all the crazy shit they've said and done over the years.

junius Ho has reached an all-time low when it comes to starting drama. A clip has emerged with a conversation between two YL triad gangs saying Ho hasn't paid for their services yet and if he doesn't get the money soon, his "crazy guys" will do something soon (implying ruining his parent's tomb). LiHKG members are fact-checking this audio clip.

Clip in spoiler for those who understand cantonese.

https://youtu.be/ZhCEInp2MPI?t=308

[whitev70r]

Radicals are people that advocate violence and extreme measure to achieve their purpose.

You can support either side without being a radical.

Freedom of speech and democracy means anybody should be able to voice their own opinions and have their own political belief.

FailFish
:moderated:

Correct you are ... there are radicals on both sides.

Labelling everyone who holds an opposing view of an argument as 'radical' deserves a fail ... c'mon that's going to really help the process. :rukidding:

Right now, both sides need to call a time out and cool the eff down.

[68style]

I think what skinny is getting at... is that there is no other side. China isn't supposed to interfere until 2047. That was the agreement. It's not a debate or like there's 2 sides to this that you can moderately be a part of.

You can't be against the law unless you're a radical.

[StylinRed]

I think what skinny is getting at... is that there is no other side. China isn't supposed to interfere until 2047. That was the agreement. It's not a debate or like there's 2 sides to this that you can moderately be a part of.

You can't be against the law unless you're a radical.

signing an extradition policy with another government (governments in this case) isn't exactly interfering though

[Spoon]

This thread is priceless. Both sides wearing tin foil hats accusing each other of the same thing. Everything is down to interpretation and hearsay. Nothing's ever based on facts because there's always a hidden force behind everything. :lol

[6793026]

i heard the whole clip and saw the whatsapp on junius Ho about "not paying."

1) would love to see if it's real; who's to validate, can police get a warrant such evidence
2) can it be used as evidence to even justify a case
3) is it even valid to be upheld in the court / justice system
4) would there be charges laid
5) can he be convicted

If #1 is valid, (proven it was him), even if we can't get all 1-5 down, his reputation would go down the drain. I can't ever see it happening though.

[bcedhk]

money talks. I'm guessing Apple Daily will be trying their best to get one of the triad members to rat him out.

[68style]

signing an extradition policy with another government (governments in this case) isn't exactly interfering though

So we just ignore the fact China installs figureheads in HK's governmental and justice systems to make sure everything they do passes over and that HK is doing what they want it to do long before its actually supposed to be that way?

FWIW China is attempting to do this in many countries, not just HK... think Australia, USA, Canada... even right here in Richmond. It was hardly anything but obvious to those who cared to even look casually at the situation that mayoral candidate Hong Guo in Richmond's last election was a poorly disguised PRC plant being funded from abroad. Was she heartily rebuked in that election? Yes... but China will only learn from these experiences and try again.

It's high time democratic countries stopped getting blinded by China's money and started limiting the visa and travel opportunities of its constituents in my opinion. Their goverment is not an ally of any free-thinking society or country, yet because of their monetary influence in western society we allow their citizens almost unparalleled levels of free movement that goes largely unchecked.

[Traum]

The Yuen Long incident has overshadowed another act of police brutality and obvious breaching of police protocol -- while the Yuen Long incidents were happening, protesters were also protesting outside the de facto CCP office in Sai Wan. The CCP logo on the building was defaced. In the ensuring police crackdown to clear the area, HKPD has again fired rubber bullets (and possibly bag shots) on the protesters without warning, and while aiming for the head (as opposed to the torso and limbs) with these "non-lethal" uses of force. News reports from this incident is difficult to come by, and unofficial channels have said that at least some protesters have been badly injuried, and is in critical condition at the hospital after the police shooting.

junius Ho has reached an all-time low when it comes to starting drama. A clip has emerged with a conversation between two YL triad gangs saying Ho hasn't paid for their services yet and if he doesn't get the money soon, his "crazy guys" will do something soon (implying ruining his parent's tomb). LiHKG members are fact-checking this audio clip.

Clip in spoiler for those who understand cantonese.

https://youtu.be/ZhCEInp2MPI?t=308
Personally, I question the authenticity of these clips that have been circulating. I've listened to a couple different ones, and they all follow the format of a monolog recording instead of a proper 2-sided conversation. Why would anyone pass a message along like that? On the other hand, the tone and language used in the voice clips -- esp the one from a middle age woman -- seems very natural and appropriate for someone in that kind of position (ie. having involvement in the local village / triad affairs). So I am not sure how to judge at least some of them.

[whitev70r]

FWIW China is attempting to do this in many countries, not just HK... think Australia, USA, Canada... even right here in Richmond.

It's high time democratic countries stopped getting blinded by China's money and started limiting the visa and travel opportunities of its constituents in my opinion.

Richmond .... why just stop at one burb, why not try to influence all of BC mayors & municipalities?

Union of BC municipalies (UBCM) said, Yes, we'll take China's money, thanks.
https://theprovince.com/news/bc-politics/mike-smyth-b-c-mayors-intensify-battle-over-accepting-chinese-cash-at-convention

[Hondaracer]

Not a grave stone! What is the world coming to..:rukidding:

[Ch28]

Richmond .... why just stop at one burb, why not try to influence all of BC mayors & municipalities?

Union of BC municipalies (UBCM) said, Yes, we'll take China's money, thanks.
https://theprovince.com/news/bc-politics/mike-smyth-b-c-mayors-intensify-battle-over-accepting-chinese-cash-at-convention

They fucking sold out for $6000. Jesus christ

[SkinnyPupp]

Radicals are people that advocate violence and extreme measure to achieve their purpose.

You can support either side without being a radical.

Freedom of speech and democracy means anybody should be able to voice their own opinions and have their own political belief.


FailFish
:moderated:
LOL if your "political beliefs" advocate for tyranny, violence, mind control, spying, locking up people for their race, I don't care you you put it. You're disturbed if you want Hong Kong to be ruled that way. Yes, you have freedom of speech, I get it, but that also gives you the freedom to be wrong, and others have the freedom to call you out on it.

I get that you're generally pragmatic about it, and that's fine. I'm not singling you out. China is powerful, I can see why most people would just give in to them if they can't leave. But to SUPPORT these things they do, no, you're a radical if you already know better since you DO live in a country that allows free thought and liberty, and STILL support tyranny.. nope, sorry, I disagree. Mainland citizens I can't blame, since they get brainwashed since the day they're born. Most just don't know any better, but people like you should.

[twitchyzero]

calling pro-Beijing radicals is no different than calling anti-Beijing separatists

blanket labels like that need to get dropped if we're having an open and mature dialogue

it's almost never black and white

you can partially agree with one JTrudeau policy or two but think the rest are a joke...doesn't make you a leftist snowflake

[SkinnyPupp]

calling pro-Beijing radicals is no different than calling anti-Beijing separatists

blanket labels like that need to get dropped if we're having an open and mature dialogue

it's almost never black and white

you can partially agree with one JTrudeau policy or two but think the rest are a joke...doesn't make you a leftist snowflake
If you're going to be pro-Beijing, you need to defend their radical policies. ALL OF THEM. Unlike western politics, where there are many steps to make a law, this shit comes as a whole package. Trudeau didn't recently change the constitution to give himself unlimited and perpetual power; Xi did LUL

The more I think of it, the more ridiculous it is to argue against what I'm saying here.... You're supporting an all-powerful tyrannical regime which can rule with 100% authority, and uses violent force when needed... You can LIKE some of their policies if you want, sure, but if you SUPPORT them, you're a radical. Maybe you just don't know it.

[trd2343]

LOL if your "political beliefs" advocate for tyranny, violence, mind control, spying, locking up people for their race, I don't care you you put it. You're disturbed if you want Hong Kong to be ruled that way. Yes, you have freedom of speech, I get it, but that also gives you the freedom to be wrong, and others have the freedom to call you out on it.

I get that you're generally pragmatic about it, and that's fine. I'm not singling you out. China is powerful, I can see why most people would just give in to them if they can't leave. But to SUPPORT these things they do, no, you're a radical if you already know better since you DO live in a country that allows free thought and liberty, and STILL support tyranny.. nope, sorry, I disagree. Mainland citizens I can't blame, since they get brainwashed since the day they're born. Most just don't know any better, but people like you should.

I apologize for you singling you out, but I'm not really sorry.

Throughout this whole thread, I would describe you as a general who's leading an Allies army of 10 solider against the entire army of Hitler. You give an inspiring pep talk about how evil Hitler is and how he must be stopped at all cost, or the world is doomed. You are absolutely correct in every sense.

But a soldier asks, what's the game plan? How are we going to defeat the entire army? You answered, "Hitler is evil, just go fuck him up." "So there's no game plan?" "Hitler is evil, just go straight at him." "LIke just us 10 go charge at the entire army?" "Hitler is evil, yes, and if you die, it's for a good cause"

If any of the 10 soldier even show the slightest fear of going into battle, bam, you shoot him. Why? Because he's scared, and being scared must mean he's part of the Nazis.

Like seriously, look at all this shit, what the fuck is going on? You guys think you've won a battle by making Pooh bear take back the bill and make him lose face? If you really know anything about losing face, you would know that if you shame someone who cares about face as much as Pooh bear, unless he doesn't have the ability to, he will come back with a revengence and fuck you up so bad you'll regret you made him lose face. He's fucking Hong Kong with the triads and police as we speak.

At this point, it doesn't even matter who paid the traids to stir shit. The bill was paused (not stopped yet) and no one's happy (or the media pushed it down). The last few pages of this thread has been about the triads, that even I have forgottten what this protest is about. Even I feel tired waking up every morning and turning on the TV to see what area the triads is going to fuck up next. I can't even imagine how people in Hong Kong are feeling. EVEN, even if the bill was stopped, you looked back at this several years later, and I can gurantee that people [the mass I mean] (or at least media) will portray [I meant remember] this as the chaos that the protest has caused, not what it has won.

So what if you know that the triads are paid by China, or that there are some agents within the protesters that are purposedly causing trouble? You can have all the evidence in the world, and government wouldn't do anything about it.

Fuck. This isn't the outcome you guys were expecting right? What exactly did you guys see happening?

I feel the better discussion is, is CCP as big and powerful as they look right now, or there is a way of removing them from power?

[whitev70r]

Trudeau didn't recently change the constitution to give himself unlimited and perpetual power; Xi did LUL


Actually ... Trudeau (and the ruling Liberals) did act like he/they had perpetual and unlimited power (Jody/Jane/SNC Lavalin/Vice admiral Norman).

So yah it's good that shit never happens when there is democracy and free speech, right? Don't know how else to put it, the answer to China is not democracy and free speech.

[SkinnyPupp]

I apologize for you singling you out, but I'm not really sorry.

Throughout this whole thread, I would describe you as a general who's leading an Allies army of 10 solider against the entire army of Hitler. You give an inspiring pep talk about how evil Hitler is and how he must be stopped at all cost, or the world is doomed. You are absolutely correct in every sense.

But a soldier asks, what's the game plan? How are we going to defeat the entire army? You answered, "Hitler is evil, just go fuck him up." "So there's no game plan?" "Hitler is evil, just go straight at him." "LIke just us 10 go charge at the entire army?" "Hitler is evil, yes, and if you die, it's for a good cause"

If any of the 10 soldier even show the slightest fear of going into battle, bam, you shoot him. Why? Because he's scared, and being scared must mean he's part of the Nazis.

Like seriously, look at all this shit, what the fuck is going on? You guys think you've won a battle by making Pooh bear take back the bill and make him lose face? If you really know anything about losing face, you would know that if you shame someone who cares about face as much as Pooh bear, unless he doesn't have the ability to, he will come back with a revengence and fuck you up so bad you'll regret you made him lose face. He's fucking Hong Kong with the triads and police as we speak.

At this point, it doesn't even matter who paid the traids to stir shit. The bill was paused (not stopped yet) and no one's happy (or the media pushed it down). The last few pages of this thread has been about the triads, that even I have forgottten what this protest is about. Even I feel tired waking up every morning and turning on the TV to see what area the triads is going to fuck up next. I can't even imagine how people in Hong Kong are feeling. EVEN, even if the bill was stopped, you looked back at this several years later, and I can gurantee that people [the mass I mean] (or at least media) will portray [I meant remember] this as the chaos that the protest has caused, not what it has won.

So what if you know that the triads are paid by China, or that there are some agents within the protesters that are purposedly causing trouble? You can have all the evidence in the world, and government wouldn't do anything about it.

Fuck. This isn't the outcome you guys were expecting right? What exactly did you guys see happening?

I feel the better discussion is, is CCP as big and powerful as they look right now, or there is a way of removing them from power?
I can't speak for everyone, and some people are more extreme or militant than others, but I think the general goal for now is to change the government to work the way that was promised in the Sino-British Joint Declaration, and Hong Kong Basic Law. Nobody is looking to overthrow the communists in China, just keep them from meddling in Hong Kong. This isn't an unrealistic goal, trying to get the communists to finally live up to something they agreed upon, written into law. If they continue to break their promises, so be it, but it's not right for citizens (and governments around the world) to sit idly by and not put pressure on them. If they think they can get away with anything, they will, and we saw how that turned out in the 40's.

I'm not really supporting any side in any way, just posting what's going on, and voicing my opinions on the matter. You can feel free to disagree, and if you think "keeping your head down" and only worry about "making money" is what everyone should do, then fine.. I disagree

[Traum]

Fuck. This isn't the outcome you guys were expecting right? What exactly did you guys see happening?

I feel the better discussion is, is CCP as big and powerful as they look right now, or there is a way of removing them from power?
If there is anything that the series of events in Hong Kong have proven -- nothing can be predicted in the world of politics. Time after time, the HKSAR administration as well as the HKPD have thoroughly surprised me with their stupidity and shamelessness. And the youths in Hong Kong have continued to be as inspriation, creative, and unbelievably courageous in their defiance towards the HKSAR gov, HKPD, and CCP. There is absolutely no way to tell how things will end, and as an outsider, I can only offer my prayers and support for Hong Kong from afar. (I am little more than a useless middle aged dude afterall...)

I agree with SkinnyPupp that the general direction is to push for CCP and its proxy in HKSAR gov to honour the Sino-British Joint Declaration, as well as for the HKSAR and the HKPD to respect the law -- both the Basic Law (ie. HK's mini constitution) as well as the HK rule of law. All of these elements have been severely lacking from what we can see.

[6793026]

I agree with SkinnyPupp that the general direction is to push for CCP and its proxy in HKSAR gov to honour the Sino-British Joint Declaration, as well as for the HKSAR and the HKPD to respect the law -- both the Basic Law (ie. HK's mini constitution) as well as the HK rule of law.

I can't see this ever from happening. Honouring the Sino-British Joint Declaration blah blah blah, is just wishful thinking.

Was the HK extradition bill conflicting with the Sino-B Joint declaration? I don't think so.

What people feared are the grey area of demarcation between the legal systems & jurisdiction of courts controlled by China. These are speculations and fear, however, were not ever in conflict with the declaration.

PS: "The socialist system of PRC would not be practiced in the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region (HKSAR), and Hong Kong's previous capitalist system and its way of life would remain unchanged for a period of 50 years until 2047."

[Traum]

I can't see this ever from happening. Honouring the Sino-British Joint Declaration blah blah blah, is just wishful thinking.

You are probably correct that on practical terms, asking China to honour their internaiontally recognized legal binding agreement with the UK is wishful thinking. Like all bargaining situations, however, you start with something that is reasonable, and then you decide how much you can give up in the bargaining negotiations. Perhaps you would stand firm, or perhaps you would give a little.


Was the HK extradition bill conflicting with the Sino-B Joint declaration? I don't think so.

What people feared are the grey area of demarcation between the legal systems & jurisdiction of courts controlled by China. These are speculations and fear, however, were not ever in conflict with the declaration.

PS: "The socialist system of PRC would not be practiced in the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region (HKSAR), and Hong Kong's previous capitalist system and its way of life would remain unchanged for a period of 50 years until 2047."
When you say this, I am really not sure whether you are genuinely thinking that way, or whether you are just trolling. I will assume that you genuinely think the HK extradition bill does not conflict with the Joint Declaration even though I am skeptical about the assumption.

Including China in the extradition bill as an extradition destination is clearly at odds with the Joint Declaration. The Joint Declaration is supposed to guarantee Hong Kong a a high degree of autonomy except for foreign and defence affairs. Along with its own executive and legislative power, Hong Kong is also supposed to enjoy its own independent judicial power. Should China be included in the extradition bill as a destination, however, it effectively invalidates Hong Kong's independent judicial power as outlined in the Joint Declaration. Hong Kong's courts would have no legal right to cross examine whatever evidence provided by China as the basis for extradition. The HK court can only decide whether the "evidence" submitted by China provides for a strong enough case to have the requested person extradicted to China for trial. So how real are those "evidence" that China would provide? And what kind of "trials" are we going to see in China? The answers are obvious here.

[trd2343]

I can't speak for everyone, and some people are more extreme or militant than others, but I think the general goal for now is to change the government to work the way that was promised in the Sino-British Joint Declaration, and Hong Kong Basic Law. Nobody is looking to overthrow the communists in China, just keep them from meddling in Hong Kong. This isn't an unrealistic goal, trying to get the communists to finally live up to something they agreed upon, written into law. If they continue to break their promises, so be it, but it's not right for citizens (and governments around the world) to sit idly by and not put pressure on them. If they think they can get away with anything, they will, and we saw how that turned out in the 40's.

I'm not really supporting any side in any way, just posting what's going on, and voicing my opinions on the matter. You can feel free to disagree, and if you think "keeping your head down" and only worry about "making money" is what everyone should do, then fine.. I disagree

But won't overthrowing CCP seem more realistic/logical than asking them to live up to their words? I mean, you named it, they are beyond just liars. If I understand the declaration correctly, it literally means wait 50 years, then China can do whatever they want right? They have 25 years left, is there any hope in the horizon that maybe CCP wouldn't last these 25 years?

Maybe the protest intention was for a peaceful protest and negotiation, but obviously it got out of hand, and China does all it can to display that this was no peaceful protest at all, and their use of violence is warranted, at least to the outside world.

It is probably wishful thinking to have CCP play nice for the next 25 years, or even any foreign state to intervene in this, but it's also hard not to resent this and wish something can be done.

I also think you're getting some of my words mixed up. When I said keeping head down, it was to make ends meet and make enough money. Not to make enough money to buy the next Omega watch or take the next luxurious trip. But to be able to have a family, send kids to school, daycare, pay for food, enough to pay for mortgage that I wouldn't be jeopardizing my retirement funds. I don't have any stats and correct me if I'm wrong, but I dare say more than half of people living in HK basically slaving away for these things. It's definitely by far a lot better than other parts of the world. But if you compare it to all the glamour of HK that you see on the outside, it's pretty sad. I maybe reaching a bit here, but the general sentiment I get from friends in HK is, get a job, get a place, and your entire life will be to pay that off.

And to that end, I think the future of (youth in) HK goes beyond just freedom and democracy.

[twdm]

calling pro-Beijing radicals is no different than calling anti-Beijing separatists

blanket labels like that need to get dropped if we're having an open and mature dialogue

it's almost never black and white

you can partially agree with one JTrudeau policy or two but think the rest are a joke...doesn't make you a leftist snowflake
Uhh except for the part where if you support beijing then you better fucking support everything they do or they'll make up fake trumped up corruption charges to send you to the gulags.

The protests were never 100% about beijing. It was about the fact the government doesnt give a shit about the well being of it's inhabitants eventhough they've voiced their concerns time and time again. We've gone through multiple CEs who are supposed to be responsible to BJ AND Hong Kong, but the last two seems to have forgotten about their second job. Not only that, to prevent citizens from achieving positive changes, they've used every dirty trick in the book to prevent the citizens from having a say in their government eventhough they are not supposed to interfere within Hong Kong.

[fetched]

Some of you are so naive....your comments sound like quotes from Trumps favorite show.....democracy is just a more transparent process to pick the same pre-defined, daddy connection, privileges individuals that were destined for those roles, you’re just the puppet that believes that vote do count....

But don’t take it from me..I’m just a China man that is brainwashed and don’t know any better. Even less than some that either haven’t even stepped in China or HK before...or those that have and complains because HK is anyway shitty and blames it on China...

Still waiting for real protestors here on RS to post some live actions on the streets...

[Mr.HappySilp]

Some of you are so naive....your comments sound like quotes from Trumps favorite show.....democracy is just a more transparent process to pick the same pre-defined, daddy connection, privileges individuals that were destined for those roles, you’re just the puppet that believes that vote do count....

But don’t take it from me..I’m just a China man that is brainwashed and don’t know any better. Even less than some that either haven’t even stepped in China or HK before...or those that have and complains because HK is anyway shitty and blames it on China...

Still waiting for real protestors here on RS to post some live actions on the streets...

If you love China so much maybe you should never come to Canada in the first place. You are an adult now so why not hop on a plane, go back to China and live there and never come back to Canada. Clearly Canada is not the right place for you since you don't care about your freedom, and love to rule by a columnist party.

[Tim Budong]

Uhh except for the part where if you support beijing then you better fucking support everything they do or they'll make up fake trumped up corruption charges to send you to the gulags.

The protests were never 100% about beijing. It was about the fact the government doesnt give a shit about the well being of it's inhabitants eventhough they've voiced their concerns time and time again. We've gone through multiple CEs who are supposed to be responsible to BJ AND Hong Kong, but the last two seems to have forgotten about their second job. Not only that, to prevent citizens from achieving positive changes, they've used every dirty trick in the book to prevent the citizens from having a say in their government eventhough they are not supposed to interfere within Hong Kong.

i wish i could thank you 1000x for this.

[trd2343]

Uhh except for the part where if you support beijing then you better fucking support everything they do or they'll make up fake trumped up corruption charges to send you to the gulags.

The protests were never 100% about beijing. It was about the fact the government doesnt give a shit about the well being of it's inhabitants eventhough they've voiced their concerns time and time again. We've gone through multiple CEs who are supposed to be responsible to BJ AND Hong Kong, but the last two seems to have forgotten about their second job. Not only that, to prevent citizens from achieving positive changes, they've used every dirty trick in the book to prevent the citizens from having a say in their government eventhough they are not supposed to interfere within Hong Kong.

But how is it not 100% about Beijing? When we say Beijing, we are referring to the China government, CCP, the one and only party in governing China right?

I mean wasn't the whole protest more than just about the government making changes earlier than they promised, but also, the specific (tyrannical) changes that they want to implement? Isn't this ALL about Beijing then?

Like the sentiment I get from some of you is that HK is doomed under China, and if anything, maybe wish HK can declare some sort of independence like Taiwan.

All of a sudden, it's like, nah fam, it's not 100% about Beijing, we're actually kind of ok with them, we just want them to play nice and respect us.

This whole ordeal, at its peak of 200k citizens, is merely a message to ask China to keep their words and not make any changes till 2047?

[EmperorIS]

Some of you are so naive....your comments sound like quotes from Trumps favorite show.....democracy is just a more transparent process to pick the same pre-defined, daddy connection, privileges individuals that were destined for those roles, you’re just the puppet that believes that vote do count....

But don’t take it from me..I’m just a China man that is brainwashed and don’t know any better. Even less than some that either haven’t even stepped in China or HK before...or those that have and complains because HK is anyway shitty and blames it on China...

Still waiting for real protestors here on RS to post some live actions on the streets...

You are forgetting that the very action of you posting criticism of the type of government of the of the country you currently live in without the fear of any repercussion is the sole difference between China and any democratic country.

What you are referring to is the corruption of the people, not the system.

[SnK1800]

But how is it not 100% about Beijing? When we say Beijing, we are referring to the China government, CCP, the one and only party in governing China right?

I mean wasn't the whole protest more than just about the government making changes earlier than they promised, but also, the specific (tyrannical) changes that they want to implement? Isn't this ALL about Beijing then?

Like the sentiment I get from some of you is that HK is doomed under China, and if anything, maybe wish HK can declare some sort of independence like Taiwan.

All of a sudden, it's like, nah fam, it's not 100% about Beijing, we're actually kind of ok with them, we just want them to play nice and respect us.

This whole ordeal, at its peak of 200k citizens, is merely a message to ask China to keep their words and not make any changes till 2047?

2 million citizens. And yes, the protest wasn't 100% about Beijing, it's about the 5 demands that the government must fulfill, the call for a complete withdrawal of the bill is only 1 of the 5.
The rest are : the withdrawal of the “riot” characterization of the June 12 protests, the unconditional release of all arrested protesters, the formation of an independent commission of inquiry into police behavior, as well as universal suffrage.

[twitchyzero]

If you're going to be pro-Beijing, you need to defend their radical policies. ALL OF THEM. Unlike western politics, where there are many steps to make a law, this shit comes as a whole package. Trudeau didn't recently change the constitution to give himself unlimited and perpetual power; Xi did LUL

You're supporting an all-powerful tyrannical regime which can rule with 100% authority, and uses violent force when needed... You can LIKE some of their policies if you want, sure, but if you SUPPORT them, you're a radical. Maybe you just don't know it.

why is it all or none?

because Canadians want a publicly-funded KM pipeline? did we get to vote on that? did ottawa take thorough consultations or put billions of taxpayer dollars with one pen stroke?

didn't Harper change our government's official title?

maybe living in China's shadow for some time now has made you believe that Western entitites/govt are near-flawless...come back and live in vancouver and you might quickly remember we've got problems too

Uhh except for the part where if you support beijing then you better fucking support everything they do or they'll make up fake trumped up corruption charges to send you to the gulags.


because 'you've got a point there'/understand/agree/support are all the same

if I dont mind Trump admin's Asia policy, does that mean I hate migrants?

if I agree with Putin that America should stop butting in every corner of earth, does that mean i'm a staunch homophobe?

if I got a kick out of China's minister calling the Canadian govt naive thinking diplomacy will work on communists, does that mean i support organ harvesting?

[Mr.HappySilp]

why is it all or none?

because Canadians want a publicly-funded KM pipeline? did we get to vote on that? did ottawa take thorough consultations or put billions of taxpayer dollars with one pen stroke?

didn't Harper change our government's official title?

maybe living in China's shadow for some time now has made you believe that Western entitites/govt are near-flawless...come back and live in vancouver and you might quickly remember we've got problems too



because 'you've got a point there'/understand/agree/support are all the same

if I dont mind Trump admin's Asia policy, does that mean I hate migrants?

if I agree with Putin that America should stop butting in every corner of earth, does that mean i'm a staunch homophobe?

if I got a kick out of China's minister calling the Canadian govt naive thinking diplomacy will work on communists, does that mean i support organ harvesting?

There are issue with Western gov for sure but hey at least we won't get lock up in some remote jail cut off from all communication, beaten, put into boot camp for reeducation just coz we posted/say something poo bear doesn't like or we simply protest that a chemical plant is being built next to our home. Or you know we simply enjoy eating food that's safe.

[Hehe]

Some of you are so naive....your comments sound like quotes from Trumps favorite show.....democracy is just a more transparent process to pick the same pre-defined, daddy connection, privileges individuals that were destined for those roles, you’re just the puppet that believes that vote do count....

But don’t take it from me..I’m just a China man that is brainwashed and don’t know any better. Even less than some that either haven’t even stepped in China or HK before...or those that have and complains because HK is anyway shitty and blames it on China...

Still waiting for real protestors here on RS to post some live actions on the streets...

For a moment I thought China's 50cents is coming to RS! :fuckthatshit:

Seriously, no matter how you want to paint it, democracy is in NO FUCKING WAY remotely the same to the authoritarian system that China is under now. In democracy... maybe all candidates are shit... but at least you have that slight choice of which shit to eat.

China... or let me rephrase it better, CCP is only interested in one thing and one thing only, stay in power. They don't want a slight chance to challenge that. They don't fucking care about its citizens. They only keep them as they are now because that's THE way to maintain control over. The day they discover a way to prevent its citizens to overthrow them ever, they wouldn't care about them either.

The way I see what it's going on in HK is that China will somehow force it to end. No doubt about it. What people in HK can do is to either suck it up and live with it or fight at all cost and hoping international support will change things (with UK being the most likely candidate given the Sino-UK accord).

[Mr.HappySilp]

For a moment I thought China's 50cents is coming to RS! :fuckthatshit:

Seriously, no matter how you want to paint it, democracy is in NO FUCKING WAY remotely the same to the authoritarian system that China is under now. In democracy... maybe all candidates are shit... but at least you have that slight choice of which shit to eat.

China... or let me rephrase it better, CCP is only interested in one thing and one thing only, stay in power. They don't want a slight chance to challenge that. They don't fucking care about its citizens. They only keep them as they are now because that's THE way to maintain control over. The day they discover a way to prevent its citizens to overthrow them ever, they wouldn't care about them either.

The way I see what it's going on in HK is that China will somehow force it to end. No doubt about it. What people in HK can do is to either suck it up and live with it or fight at all cost and hoping international support will change things (with UK being the most likely candidate given the Sino-UK accord).

UK have it's own shit to take care off now so it doesn't really have time to deal with it. Also I don't think they really want to piss off China with the way the country is now. Most likely it will be US to stir something up.

[SkinnyPupp]

UK kind of has to make themselves involved... They fucked over pretty much the entire world over the last 2 centuries, and they can't turn a blind eye to every mess they left behind. This is the one time they tried to "do it right" (unfortunately they had to deal with the CCP and not the KMT) and they got fucked over. If they have any power on the world stage at all, they have to try to put it to use.

[Traum]

Realistically, I think the only country that might actually put forward some sort of meaningful pressure on China to hold back on its meddling in Hong Kong would be a Trump-led USA, but they are not really doing this out of the goodness of their heart, nor are they doing this to help Hong Kong. They might just do this solely in the US' best interest. And because the goal is to do something that results in what Trump thinks is the US' best interest, it may or may not happen at all. It all depends on how badly Trump can pressure China into caving into the US' demand.

In other words, no one should expect any country to help Hong Kong in any meaningful and practical manner.