Hong Kong extradition protests [Archive] - Page 3

SkinnyPupp

07-26-2019, 07:08 PM

Realistically, I think the only country that might actually put forward some sort of meaningful pressure on China to hold back on its meddling in Hong Kong would be a Trump-led USA, but they are not really doing this out of the goodness of their heart, nor are they doing this to help Hong Kong. They might just do this solely in the US' best interest. And because the goal is to do something that results in what Trump thinks is the US' best interest, it may or may not happen at all. It all depends on how badly Trump can pressure China into caving into the US' demand.

In other words, no one should expect any country to help Hong Kong in any meaningful and practical manner.
For decades people complained about America acting as "the world's police". Now they start doing things in their own best interests, and people are bashing them for it... (not saying you are here, but I've seen it)

I agree though, no single country is going to be able to do much. But together, who knows...

Manic!

07-26-2019, 07:45 PM

twitchyzero

07-26-2019, 07:49 PM

USA is still very much the world police (persian Gulf/Baltic sea/guam+okinawa) and i dont expect that to change in our lifetime

Hehe

07-26-2019, 07:52 PM

Between China and Canada, yes. But not between US and Canada.
Should have never arrested her to begin with. Could have just diverted her flight somewhere else.

That's what we get when we elect an incompetent leader.
Rooked by Trump.

I never understood why the mentality of this. It doesn't matter if it's liberal, NDP or conservative.

Canada had to make a choice, it was between the US and China. The decision was easily understood given our geographical, economical and value consideration.

If anyone thought we could stay out of it, or any international diplomatic issues for that matter by not be a part of it and still be in the position where we are today, you are seriously mistaken.

You choose not to participate in something, then others wouldn't want you to participate in anything. This is how alliances are formed. We are not exactly in a position where we can just go along by ourselves.

highfive

07-26-2019, 09:08 PM

USA is still very much the world police (persian Gulf/Baltic sea/guam+okinawa) and i dont expect that to change in our lifetime

China doesn’t want to be world police. They just want more resources. That’s why they’re in Africa. That’s why they’re in s America. And that’s why they are building a military base in the ocean by Philippines. They want to own resources.

It’s costly to be the world military police. Why trump always saying countries should be paying USA to protect them.

Traum

07-26-2019, 09:35 PM

China doesn’t want to be world police. They just want more resources. That’s why they’re in Africa. That’s why they’re in s America. And that’s why they are building a military base in the ocean by Philippines. They want to own resources.

It’s costly to be the world military police. Why trump always saying countries should be paying USA to protect them.
China wants everyone to play by their (China's) rules, regardless of where the playing field actually is. But the dirty secret that they won't say aloud is, according to China's rules, China is always right.

whitev70r

07-26-2019, 09:43 PM

The US wants everyone to play by their (US's) rules, regardless of where the playing field actually is. But the dirty secret that they won't say aloud is, according to US's rules, US is always right.

Fixed it for you.

welfare

07-26-2019, 09:58 PM

So your a trump nut hugger but want our P.M. to go against your man crush?

It's a game. And this government was handily outsmarted.
If you had the ability to put aside your feelings, you'd understand where blame should lay.

I never understood why the mentality of this. It doesn't matter if it's liberal, NDP or conservative.

Canada had to make a choice, it was between the US and China. The decision was easily understood given our geographical, economical and value consideration.

If anyone thought we could stay out of it, or any international diplomatic issues for that matter by not be a part of it and still be in the position where we are today, you are seriously mistaken.

You choose not to participate in something, then others wouldn't want you to participate in anything. This is how alliances are formed. We are not exactly in a position where we can just go along by ourselves.

You don't believe we could have remained neutral in this particular matter?
What leverage have we gained by arresting her?
And what leverage have we lost?

Traum

07-26-2019, 10:13 PM

Fixed it for you.
You are not entirely wrong, but between the US and China, who would you say is the one that adheres more to the spirit of contractual law?

twitchyzero

07-26-2019, 10:19 PM

You don't believe we could have remained neutral in this particular matter?
What leverage have we gained by arresting her?

we are obligated under international law

we (the West) demonstrated that there are repercussions to fraud and intellectual theft

it also put the spotlight on the vulnerability for relying on next-gen infrastructure tied to Beijing

Manic!

07-26-2019, 10:26 PM

It's a game. And this government was handily outsmarted.

Sorry but running a country is not a game.

Have you increased your intake of meat and dairy?

https://nationalpostcom.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/andrew-scheer-1.png?w=780&zoom=2

welfare

07-26-2019, 10:48 PM

we are obligated under international law

we (the West) demonstrated that there are repercussions to fraud and intellectual theft

:awwyeah: we demonstrate that same virtue with snc as well?

Sorry but running a country is not a game.

If it weren't a game, there'd be no winners and losers.
Could have lost the queen and cashed in with the rook.
Maybe you should stick to checkers.

SkinnyPupp

07-26-2019, 10:50 PM

It's a game. And this government was handily outsmarted.
If you had the ability to put aside your feelings, you'd understand where blame should lay.

You don't believe we could have remained neutral in this particular matter?
What leverage have we gained by arresting her?
And what leverage have we lost?
If you want to live in a country where they choose which laws to follow, and break others any time it's convenient for them, you're living in the wrong place LUL

twdm

07-26-2019, 11:19 PM

Lol. I never thought RS would be invaded by the chinese 50 cent crew as well. Lol

twitchyzero

07-26-2019, 11:26 PM

if SNC execs are arrested overseas and somehow awaiting extradition to Libya, i would happily throw them under the bus

SkinnyPupp

07-27-2019, 02:02 AM

Back to original topic, it's a scary day for Hong Kong today. Quick summary:

-Side note, yesterday there was a succesful peaceful sit-in at the airport. The terminal was completely crowded with people peacefully singing and holding signs, generally not interfering with anyone. Some old mainlander started knocking signs out of peoples hands, so they yelled at him, pointed laser pens at him, and stuck a pro-democracy sign on his back. Mainland news only covered this part (obviously leaving out that he incided it)

-A protest was planned for Yuen Long, where for a time, police ignored triads/mainland thugs attacking random people, injuring dozens.

-Police have been officially standing by during all the protests planned so far. Legally, they say they're going to stand by, usually until 11pm. It's basically allowing legal assembly (though they have gone against it several times, trying to break up protests before 11pm)

-This time they said no, don't do this protest in Yuen Long. Any attempts to assemble will be broken up

-Obviously that's not going to stop anything, so the protest is taking place as planned.

https://twitter.com/rachelblundy/status/1155031977935790080

-Shops in the area have shut down, YOHO mall, a huge new mall, is a ghost town.

-white-shirt thugs were seen in the area, getting ready to fight

No violence from the protesters or pro china people, but police are going to try to break it up quickly.

https://twitter.com/timmysung/status/1155040581497708545

-About 30 minutes ago, police started firing tear gas.

https://twitter.com/ClaudiaMCMo/status/1155048473827278849

-A senior Yuen Long resident was arrested for trying to stab someone, saying "black shirts are killing people!" For people who don't know, Yuen Long is basically a hick town.. Like Chilliwack I guess, or maybe even moreso I dunno how things are there anymore lol

https://twitter.com/janicewasabi/status/1155004595174666242

-Again, no violence incited by the crowd, only the police. So it looks extra bad when one of their unnecessary tear gas canisters started a fire:

https://twitter.com/galileocheng/status/1155048104569135104

Side note, today happens to be "lo por bang day" which originates in Yuen Long. So since there are thousands of protesters, obviously they're being rewarded for staying open LUL

SkinnyPupp

07-27-2019, 02:40 AM

Tear gas on the train tracks... Not sure if this was an errant shot or someone threw it up there

https://twitter.com/bettwty/status/1155063124975689728

Regardless of how it got there, if the police just let them be, none of this would be happening.

SkinnyPupp

07-27-2019, 03:39 AM

7:30pm: Protesters mostly leaving. It got out that the white-shirts are coming, and they don't want things to turn violent. We'll have to see if police let them go (a few times, they kettled them and trapped them in confined places) and if anyone ends up staying looking for a fight.

White shirt gangsters are just finishing dinner, and getting ready to go fight:

https://twitter.com/Tonyworld15/status/1155066670555078657

whitev70r

07-27-2019, 06:08 AM

lol @ suggesting Canada turn back on its strong diplomatic relations with another country, just to placate China. If Canada did that, no other decent country would trust them.

I know half you guys are trolling, but come on

Actually, I think on the world stage, if you stand up against the US and her petulant child president, you would gain respect, not lose trust. Strong diplomatic relations (presumably, you mean with US) led to a long period of steel tariffs, long drawn out NAFTA negotiations, and other great 'benefits'.

Trolling ... ask the families of Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor if they think I'm trolling.

Ok, if you don't like the idea of releasing Meng for violating a US imposed law against doing business with Iran, then at least be smart enough to expedite this extradition case and put her on a plane to US soil and stop being played by both sides. Hell ... not even expedite, how about just abiding by the extradition regulations ... the US had 60 days to present a case for her extradition, Meng was arrested Dec 1, 2018.

whitev70r

07-27-2019, 06:43 AM

I certainly wouldn't go this far ... 'admire' but here you have it folks, JT in 2013:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqnmfNiaM-Y

I just don't think democracy is the end all and be all solution to every corrupt government in the world. Those who think so are being quite naive and simple-minded. And I'm doing my small part in trying to bring a corrective to that.

SkinnyPupp

07-27-2019, 06:58 AM

whitev70r

07-27-2019, 07:09 AM

This thread isn't specifically about democracy vs communism or anything else. Debate that some other time. This is all about a specific regime, a specific puppet government of that regime, and a specific police force.

Sorry, I thought that was the root cause of the protests? No?

I see ... you just want to broadcast white shirts vs. black shirts vs. HK police incidents.

cdizzle

07-27-2019, 08:05 AM

Sorry, I thought that was the root cause of the protests? No?

I see ... you just want to broadcast white shirts vs. black shirts vs. HK police incidents.

While the protests from March to June 12th were political in nature, I would say the ones after Legco are more of the latter you mentioned.

SkinnyPupp

07-27-2019, 09:26 AM

Sorry, I thought that was the root cause of the protests? No?

I see ... you just want to broadcast white shirts vs. black shirts vs. HK police incidents.
I know you don't think that, so from now on I will just regard your posts as troll attempts. I'm not going to ban you from the thread, but I'm not going to respond anymore.

Traum

07-27-2019, 12:24 PM

Here are 2 related video clips on the Yuen Long protest in chronological order. The first one is from RFA -- Radio Free Asia, a private, nonprofit international broadcasting corporation that receives funding from a grant by the U.S. Agency for Global Media, an independent agency of the United States government.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pKCPW-AIdA

This second clip is from CNN, and chronologically follows the immediate aftermath of the clash from the first clip. It focuses on 2 parts -- the initial aftermath of the riot police charge, as well as a subsequent summary of the entire situation that has lead to the Yuen Long protests:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkSY6_Sclpw

For those who are interested in the bigger picture and how the month-long protests have evolved, the 2nd CNN reporter has done a really good summary of how things have come to the state that it is in now.

SkinnyPupp

07-27-2019, 06:40 PM

Yeah I just watched that, and it's a good quick summary of how things have gotten to where they are now.

The police saying they couldn't make it to Yuen Long because they were focusing on protests in Central... that's literally disgusting. They are victim blaming, making it more obvious that they were in on the whole thing

Or at least someone in charge was, we should stop using "they" for the police, as there are good and bad people in there. You can even see one cop in that CNN video grab another who was trying to hit someone with his club.

StylinRed

07-27-2019, 06:48 PM

It makes sense that police forces were stretched thin though, due to deployment to the protest areas... And that's all that matters, that it makes sense to the average listener domestic and abroad

SkinnyPupp

07-27-2019, 07:26 PM

It makes sense that police forces were stretched thin though, due to deployment to the protest areas... And that's all that matters, that it makes sense to the average listener domestic and abroad
No competent police commander would stretch their forces that thin, especially when protesters have shown there's no need to control them so tightly. If anything, less police presence is needed. As we saw at the airport protest, if they are left alone, they will go, protest, and leave the area eventually. The aftermath of that protest didn't leave a single piece of paper on the ground. You'd never know there were thousands of people there all day. Also police were in the area, some showed up, saw the white shirts beating on people, then left. This was the first footage that came out that day.

Furthermore, according to a statement by the Progressive Lawyers Group (https://thestandnews.com/politics/%E6%B3%95%E6%94%BF%E5%8C%AF%E6%80%9D%E5%B0%B1-7-21-%E6%9A%B4%E5%BE%92%E6%96%BC%E5%85%83%E6%9C%97%E7%9 9%BC%E5%8B%95%E8%A5%B2%E6%93%8A%E7%9A%84%E8%81%B2% E6%98%8E/):

A Yuen Long District Councillor later revealed that he had contacted the Police on the morning of 21 July about the threat of attacks in Yuen Long and that the Police had assured him that they already had “a plan” in place to handle the situation.

Another district councillor was spotted that night, wearing a white shirt as part of that group. So yeah, there's more than a few lawmakers in HK with ties to both triads and beijing.

So they knew about the impending threats, and literally chose to ignore it. They later victim blamed the protesters, saying they shouldn't have been there in the first place. This points directly towards collusion or at least compliance. Either way, they have to answer for it somehow.

Badhobz

07-27-2019, 07:57 PM

me: hey they are protesting in yuen long
her: that place is a shithole, nobody goes there ! who cares
me: hey they are protesting at the airport
her: WTF!? this is serious now.

hahhaha

i guess it'll only hit home (literally) once it reaches victoria peak and they invade her home.

ilovebacon

07-28-2019, 01:32 AM

Hong Kong is fucked up.. Hasn't this been going on for months?

SkinnyPupp

07-28-2019, 02:06 AM

a few thousand at the airport Thursday. Police didn't show up, no violence or mess to clean up

280K at Yuen Long Friday, police immediately started firing tear gas, filling residents homes with smoke. When people went to the station to leave, police charged them from behind, beating random people, making few arrests. This is what you saw on the CNN footage.

https://i.imgur.com/HjwnjOE.jpg

Today in admiralty makes 3 days in a row of large scale protests. Another probably 200-300K showed up. The demands haven't changed. Police haven't started attacking yet, so it's going smoothly (crosses fingers)

Only response so far is the CE "condemning violence". I mean that would be nice if she condemned the violence the police are using, but either way she's useless

asian_XL

07-28-2019, 06:23 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4zQdgqNDko

FailFish

https://cdn.discuss.com.hk/t/5d27fe/f/800x0/https://img.discuss.com.hk/d/attachments/day_190728/20190728_bcc02e61b05e8b11bba5F2PPZarLcitb.jpg

nah

07-28-2019, 12:53 PM

wtf, that guy has a long bow?

bcedhk

07-28-2019, 01:43 PM

wtf, that guy has a long bow?

yeah, and diy gasoline bombs. TBH these are the guys that will ultimately fuck everything up and lead to police to use even more deadly forces.

Badhobz

07-28-2019, 05:39 PM

These are the guys that will ultimately sink this whole shabang when the PLA comes rolling in. They should have stopped after they halted the extradition treaty. Everything else is just hurting Hong Kong.

320icar

07-28-2019, 06:54 PM

^^ this is clearly bigger than just the treaty

SkinnyPupp

07-28-2019, 07:03 PM

There are crazy fucks in any group, including protesters, including police, including lawmakers. It doesn't mean the good people of Hong Kong should just give up FailFish

trd2343

07-28-2019, 07:36 PM

There are crazy fucks in any group, including protesters, including police, including lawmakers. It doesn't mean the good people of Hong Kong should just give up FailFish

But would you agree that this protest is starting to go out of hand?

Sure, it wouldn't surprise me one bit that the triads hit and violent protesters are paid off by the government to make the protesters look bad.

But it is equally plausible that even within the protesters themselves, not everyone see eye to eye as to how the protest should run. Maybe the majority believe in a peaceful protest, and at the same time, I'm sure there are those who believe they need violence to send a message.

So when things get out of hand, who's going to be held liable?

Good people shouldn't give up. But this protest was or has become so disorganized that the government (and the bad apples within the protesters) are taking advantage of it and ruining it for all the good people.

SkinnyPupp

07-28-2019, 08:49 PM

But would you agree that this protest is starting to go out of hand?

Sure, it wouldn't surprise me one bit that the triads hit and violent protesters are paid off by the government to make the protesters look bad.

But it is equally plausible that even within the protesters themselves, not everyone see eye to eye as to how the protest should run. Maybe the majority believe in a peaceful protest, and at the same time, I'm sure there are those who believe they need violence to send a message.

So when things get out of hand, who's going to be held liable?

Good people shouldn't give up. But this protest was or has become so disorganized that the government (and the bad apples within the protesters) are taking advantage of it and ruining it for all the good people.
So far it's been the same thing every time - protests are peaceful, the cops or triad thugs show up and cause violence and chaos. Government "condemns violence". Repeat.

So since nothing has changed, I can't say "things are starting to get out of hand". The government is definitely trying to force things to get out of hand, but so far it's been about the same. Except now we have a picture of someone with an arrow, and who knows, maybe he's a cop playing agent provocateur.. lol we've already seen that happen several times so I can't rule it out

As for people within, those people already get condemned by the peaceful protesters. The government will control the narrative through traditional media, but anyone on the internet will see raw video footage, and will know the truth for themselves. We've seen this many times here already.

Traum

07-28-2019, 09:02 PM

But would you agree that this protest is starting to go out of hand?

Presently, I would only say that it has gotten out of hand for the gov officials, and has gotten way out of hand for the police (to control their own front line grunts). The the protesters' level, things still look within control.

For the gov officials, Lam has repeatedly screwed up, making what should have been a small issue blowing up into an ever growing problem. Her arragonance and stubborness are the culprit here. Had she "withdrawn" the proposal earlier, or had her acting been better during her TV speech or during the apology, it wouldn't have blown up to the scale it has now. At this point, anything and everything that the gov tries to do is pissing somebody off. The 2nd in-command near-baldy dude comes out to apologize for the police, and the idiot cops come out to lash at him. The HKSAR gov stands firm on the "rioters" being violent, and the whole HK society comes out to blast them.

The police have completely lost control of their front line grunts. Police aren't supposed to shoot tear gas canisters directly at protesters. They are not supposed to club protesters on their heads and neck (cuz that can kill people), and they are most definitely not supposed to illegally modify their batons so that it has the equivalent of "spikes" -- for those who don't know, at least one of the riot police is captured in a photo showing he has added a hose clamp with the nut and screw intact on his police baton. The police are not supposed to beat up reporters. They are not supposed to charge at and beat up peaceful protesters, esp when no prior warnings have been given. They are not supposed to fire tear gas when there are senior homes around. They are not supposed to arrive 39 min late when the police emergency line has been called to report violent triad members beating up on regular citizens. The whole HKPD is so screwed up now that I have no idea how they can win back any public trust when/if this get resolved.

Among the protesters, I am still reading reports that the more radical protesters are getting booed into retreating when they try to suggest something more radical during a peaceful demonstration. But as the tolls continue to mount every weekend, I am obviously concerned that generally peaceful crowd will lose patience. And at the same time, without the threat of the more radical protesters, you can't put or increase any pressure on the government to give into the protesters' demands. It is definitely a very delicate balance that is ever so easy to fall out of balance...

SkinnyPupp

07-29-2019, 07:23 AM

https://youtu.be/vV50nKwf8Ho

Traum

07-29-2019, 10:12 AM

they are most definitely not supposed to illegally modify their batons so that it has the equivalent of "spikes" -- for those who don't know, at least one of the riot police is captured in a photo showing he has added a hose clamp with the nut and screw intact on his police baton.
And update / correction to my previous statement so that I am not spreading any false information. The latest high resolution picture from the press (HK01) shows the police baton in question above is almost certainly rigged with 3 black zip ties near the head of the baton where it'll make contact with the persons that the baton hits. It is unlikely to be a hose clamp with screw/nut as I have previously mentioned.

The PR dept of the HKPD have also issued a short press release (https://www.info.gov.hk/gia/general/201907/29/P2019072900581.htm) where they claim the zip ties were meant to be there to hold the baton strap in place, except that the strap has come loose during usage, so the zip ties "slipped" to the front. Personally, I find the excuse to be absolutely bogus because you don't zip tie the baton strap when you use the baton -- the officer would slip his hand through the loop first, and then hold onto the baton. This way, the baton won't fall off if the officer's hand slipped and let go of the baton. Furthermore, I've reviewed close to 100 pictures of HK police wielding batons, and none of them ever had any additional thing on the baton. The zip ties is a new addition / modification that is likely unauthorized and illegal. But the HKPD and its PR department has been caught blantantly lying to the public multiple times now, so I am not at all surprised by yet another new lie.

Honestly at this point, I find the HKPD to be so corrupt that the entire force needs to be disbanded and rebuild from scratch under a new structure if public trust were to be restored. But of course, that is never going to happen, esp under the current CCP-backed HKSAR gov.

whitev70r

07-29-2019, 10:20 AM

You'd think that some regular posters here would have the intelligence not to post 20 sec video snippets with no context to drive home their one sided point.

https://youtu.be/soJElexzVII?t=38

https://youtu.be/PfyGYG-Gd3w?t=20

SkinnyPupp

07-29-2019, 10:37 AM

I said I wasn't going to respond to you, but this is just too much to pass up. I really can't believe a Canadian person is saying the things you do. Maybe I am getting trolled again, whatever. Maybe you really think this way. If that's the case, maybe some other people are, so there's some value in replying. I understand and fully support being skeptical of all information being put out there. There's plenty of misinformation, either on purpose or not.

If you think there is anything that could remotely justify the actions of the police in the above video, then you are really beyond help... Police sometimes have to use force, we all know that. If a suspect is resisting arrest, feel free to throw them to the ground and arrest them.

But that thug is not arresting anyone. It doesn't matter if there's 10 seconds missing from the video, or 10 minutes. He threw a non-criminal to the ground, physically assaulted her, and walked away. He is not arresting her, he is just beating on her for no good reason.

If he threw her to the ground and arrested her, the video would never have been shared. This is just straight up assault.

ANd L - O - FUCKING L at the pro china rally you posted... Not I know I'm being trolled. Still, I'm leaving this up.

I really wish you'd stop trying to disrupt this thread.

bcedhk

07-29-2019, 11:32 AM

In the end, Carrie Lam and/or her top staff(s) has to be the sacrificial lamb to simmer down the tension. Sure, it is no guarantee to fully stop the protests, but at least it is a starting point.

underscore

07-29-2019, 11:42 AM

But it is equally plausible that even within the protesters themselves, not everyone see eye to eye as to how the protest should run. Maybe the majority believe in a peaceful protest, and at the same time, I'm sure there are those who believe they need violence to send a message.

So when things get out of hand, who's going to be held liable?

Good people shouldn't give up. But this protest was or has become so disorganized that the government (and the bad apples within the protesters) are taking advantage of it and ruining it for all the good people.

That happens with pretty much anything. There will always be people there purely to be destructive and violent and try to get away with it.

Mr.HappySilp

07-29-2019, 12:55 PM

https://theinitium.com/article/20190728-evening-brief/

So for those that can read Chinese it seems that first aid attendant/ambulance have to wait for the HK police to give them "permission" in order to go and attend/help the protest. Once they receive a call for ambulance the first aid attendant have to report to the police, wait at this safe zone and once police said they can go, then they can. Basically the police can control when people can get help...... that's just disgusting what if the police "Forget" to give the first aid attendant ok to help the protest or purposely delay the first aid attendant and then the protest died? Who responsiblity is it then? Before the police would not stop ambulance or first aid to attend the protest but this time is very different. Also there are some reporters being asked by the police if they are reporting the police actions to the public. When the reporter ask the police for his ID, the police refuse and just keeps asking the reporter the same question.

As far as I know when the police were asked for their ID they are require to show it.

highfive

07-29-2019, 03:44 PM

I don't get it. Where the fuck did Carrie Lam go? She went complete silence since the bill is dead announcement and the Yuen Long attack?

I do believe there are some bad apples in the protester side. Certain things they went over board and imo ruin the support protesters would get from the public. I felt the old man argument at the airport was a bit uncalled for, hounding the guy? Setting a cart full of cardboard on fire and rolling it over to the police is uncalled for. Bringing a bow and arrow is just asking for trouble. What happened to the whole idea of peaceful protest? I feel like there are two groups of people. Crazy ones, where you see them on the streets throwing bricks, arrows, weapons and all that shit. Yet you see the submissive ones in the MTR that won't fight back? (Same as the New Town fights). Cops are the same too, fucking passive on the street, just shooting and retreat. Yet when they see people running, they go ape shit and start hitting people.

I believe both sides are tired and exhausted. The police are people too, and the stress they go through has taken up on their performance. I feel they lack support from above.

Basically I feel the upper chains of commands should be responsible. The lack of response to the public protesters, the lack of support for your frontline police officers.

but shit, it's nothing like France though.

Also, that official release of the baton with the clips, i saw another clip online where it should just slide right off unless it's clamped tightly where it shouldn't slide any further.

SkinnyPupp

07-29-2019, 06:14 PM

Some of the white shirts were indeed cops:

https://twitter.com/Badcanto/status/1155712023231025159

twitchyzero

07-29-2019, 08:13 PM

really can't believe a Canadian person is saying the things you do

not sure why you keep trying to make this point

i believe it's fair to say many of those educated in the relatively free world are able to form opinions through critical thinking

and unless it matches your's 100% = trolling confirmed

SkinnyPupp

07-29-2019, 08:41 PM

not sure why you keep trying to make this point

i believe it's fair to say many of those educated in the relatively free world are able to form opinions through critical thinking

and unless it matches your's 100% = trolling confirmed
First off, IMO there's a huge difference between disagreeing, and trolling. I've had several people in here disagree with me, and I'm totally fine with it, and appreciate their insight. Threezero's posts are a good example of this. There are people I 100% disagree with, the ones who say we should just ignore China's atrocities, and "put our heads down" and just worry about making money. These people are clearly not trolling, clearly critically thinking, even if they don't see things my way.

But then you have people who are so far into the extreme, with the constant irrational posts just to be controversial. It seems like they're just here to annoy people and disrupt the thread. UNLESS they do think like that, which I've said many times is possible.

You say I think people who don't match me 100% are trolling, but I've never said that, and like the above examples, I appreciate and support such discourse. But when I see a Canadian person, who SHOULD be capable of critical thinking, post such propaganda crap, I think there are 3 possibilities (assuming the person hasn't lived in mainland China for a long period of time):

1) Trolling, (but not "100% confirmed" I never make that claim)
2) Just really not good at critical thinking, doesn't consider all sides. Basically just stubborn, or refuses to see things from other perspectives,
3) Actually a pro-totalitarian supporter of tyrannical dictatorship, and is 100% against human rights.

The last two are why I keep making the point that I am disappointed to see Canadians making these posts. #2 just means they are just ignorant, and that's fine. But if they aren't ignorant, and aren't trolling, the option #3 is the saddest of all. That's why I "keep trying to make this point". It legitimately saddens me. I was so disappointed in my wife's dad when we talked to him shortly after the protests started. I guess that feeling kind of affects me when I see it here (and I know he's not trolling, so I am happy to accept people here are, it kind of makes it easier)

Mr.HappySilp

07-30-2019, 10:45 AM

Heard from a friend that police actually fired live ammo. Not sure if it is true or not though.

yray

07-30-2019, 12:05 PM

http://twitter.com/StellaLeeHKnews/status/1156241737431449607

cop is a fucking idiot, you don't one man team a mob with a shotgun

https://youtu.be/qp6H1O29vwY

Traum

07-30-2019, 12:25 PM

Heard from a friend that police actually fired live ammo. Not sure if it is true or not though.
Please fact check as much as you can before saying stuff like this. It is how false rumours spread.

As far as I can tell, no live rounds have been fired. If there was, the HK media would be all over it already. Since there is no such news, it is reasonable to assume that live rounds have not been fired. But obviously, there is a Baldy inspector that came out with a Remington 870, pointing it directly at protesters on multiple occassions. It is a miracle that he was still able to exercise that last shred of self restrain to not open fire on anyone.

IMO, it is completely inappropriate for the cops (and esp this officer) to bring the Remington out. Shotguns are not a crowd control or even riot control weapon. It is a close combat weapon and a defensive weapon capable of inflicting severe damage. IMO, there is absolutely no place for it in a crowd control situation.

trd2343

07-30-2019, 12:45 PM

Mr.HappySilp

07-30-2019, 01:06 PM

Please fact check as much as you can before saying stuff like this. It is how false rumours spread.

As far as I can tell, no live rounds have been fired. If there was, the HK media would be all over it already. Since there is no such news, it is reasonable to assume that live rounds have not been fired. But obviously, there is a Baldy inspector that came out with a Remington 870, pointing it directly at protesters on multiple occassions. It is a miracle that he was still able to exercise that last shred of self restrain to not open fire on anyone.

IMO, it is completely inappropriate for the cops (and esp this officer) to bring the Remington out. Shotguns are not a crowd control or even riot control weapon. It is a close combat weapon and a defensive weapon capable of inflicting severe damage. IMO, there is absolutely no place for it in a crowd control situation.

I wasn't sure that's why I said I am not sure if this is true or not.

bcedhk

07-30-2019, 01:14 PM

The cop drew his gun because he was being chased and swarmed by protestors throwing objects. That said, the cop did not practice gun safety protocol as he had his finger already on the trigger. It has been reported by NOW and RTHK that the gun was loaded with bean bag bullets.

https://imgur.com/a/TdHOstM
https://i.imgur.com/elhnogd.png

And the cop replied to the journalist afterwards "I do not know the meaning of that hand gesture". BRUHhh

HK Police finest.

underscore

07-30-2019, 01:31 PM

IMO, it is completely inappropriate for the cops (and esp this officer) to bring the Remington out. Shotguns are not a crowd control or even riot control weapon. It is a close combat weapon and a defensive weapon capable of inflicting severe damage. IMO, there is absolutely no place for it in a crowd control situation.

Was it a regular shotgun or a beanbag one? Beanbags make complete sense, a regular shotgun should never be used on a person unless as an extreme defensive measure. Hell all the way back in WWI Germany considered a shotgun "inhumane".

StylinRed

07-30-2019, 01:32 PM

Uhm if that were the US or Canada even, you can bet the officer would pull his gun, and start firing after getting swarmed, and assaulted like that

bcedhk

07-30-2019, 01:39 PM

https://www.hongkongfp.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/6VIaqXd.jpg

Reminds me of the fishball revolution.. But the reason why he held his gun out was that an officer was actually assaulted.

EmperorIS

07-30-2019, 01:47 PM

Uhm if that were the US or Canada even, you can bet the officer would pull his gun, and start firing after getting swarmed, and assaulted like that

For sure. I feel that Hong Kong police are being extra scrutinized for these sort of tactics. I am not saying they are right in anyway, but when for example, RCMP/Ontario Police tried to instigate protestors at G20 by posing as them, it was brushed off and forgotten.

As I said before in this thread, you have 2 million people protesting and surrounding government buildings, how do you not expect the Police to react and take up opposition. Even if 1% of the protestors decide to do something stupid, it will cause massive chaos and even causalities to both the public, protestors and the police. You can say its a peaceful protest all you want, but a crowd that size is beyond manageable by anyone.

Sure, the methods and actions of the police now are less than professional, that is irrefutable, but they've been worn down so much its really hard for them to do their job under such pressure. There's nothing harder than being a cop in Hong Kong right now, nothing you do or don't do is right.

I fear that as the protests go on.. there will be less and less support and sympathy for the protestors. There really is no win win situation for Hong Kong.

bcedhk

07-30-2019, 01:57 PM

For sure. I feel that Hong Kong police are being extra scrutinized for these sort of tactics. I am not saying they are right in anyway, but when for example, RCMP/Ontario Police tried to instigate protestors at G20 by posing as them, it was brushed off and forgotten.

As I said before in this thread, you have 2 million people protesting and surrounding government buildings, how do you not expect the Police to react and take up opposition. Even if 1% of the protestors decide to do something stupid, it will cause massive chaos and even causalities to both the public, protestors and the police. You can say its a peaceful protest all you want, but a crowd that size is beyond manageable by anyone.

Sure, the methods and actions of the police now are less than professional, that is irrefutable, but they've been worn down so much its really hard for them to do their job under such pressure. There's nothing harder than being a cop in Hong Kong right now, nothing you do or don't do is right.

I fear that as the protests go on.. there will be less and less support and sympathy for the protestors. There really is no win win situation for Hong Kong.

Unless the government and police chief can have the balls to go up to the public, satisfy at least some of their demands and apologise for not listening in the first place.

but that's wishful thinking.

yray

07-30-2019, 02:00 PM

2 mil... more like less than 1000

beanbag guns are labelled and colored so you don't fuck up and shoot an actual round

trd2343

07-30-2019, 04:33 PM

Unless the government and police chief can have the balls to go up to the public, satisfy at least some of their demands and apologise for not listening in the first place.

but that's wishful thinking.

Well the government did satisfy part of their demands, by "pausing" the bill (I know that's not what Hong Kong ultimately wants).

I'll say this again, the biggest concern aren't that the changes are happening too early, but the TYPE of changes that China wants to bring to Hong Kong. And those type of changes has absolutely everything, 100%, to do with the government that's in China right now.

And that's the message I feel it's being sent with this protest. It's necessary, and yet, pardon me for any ignorance, I fail to see so far, any meaningful steps or outcome in a posiive direction, that Hong Kong have achieve so far with this protest.

Maybe it's still to early to decide whether this protest was successful or not, but for the sake of Hong Kong, I hope the people will have enough energy to continue on with their quest.

edit:
I have been hearing things from family and friends that a lot of people are seriously considering moving back or away to some where else. Is that true or just people casually saying it?

SkinnyPupp

07-30-2019, 06:18 PM

I was going to suggest that maybe ICAC could do individual investigation on these cases (police brutality) post-protest, but according to Wiki (if sources are correct), the commissioner of ICAC is appointed by the government of China.
ICAC was neutered in 2015 or so, after they busted Donald Tsang (conviction was just overturned last week actually, something that kind of got overlooked because of what's going on). If they still had any authority, we would NOT be seeing what we're seeing here.

Police and government used to protect the people, and were held accountable by the ICAC. Now their only goal is to protect the interests of Beijing, and are held accountable by no one.

That kind of adds to what people are fighting about now - not only are they putting Beijing-friendly people in power, the actual government and police force is becoming as corrupt as it is in China. Eventually we'll probably start seeing similarly lawlessness here, where the only ones who have to worry about breaking the law are if they are doing so against the state.

(before anyone gets mad, there's some hyperbole in there)

SkinnyPupp

07-30-2019, 07:01 PM

https://streamable.com/3vusx

Some idiots shot fireworks into a crowd of protesters (https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/component/k2/1471508-20190731.htm) last night... Probably cops out of uniform lol

Seriously though, is this the first terrorist attack in HK since the 60's?

5 sent to hospital, plus they caused a bus to crash while getting away

StylinRed

07-30-2019, 08:47 PM

https://twitter.com/nilssonjones_/status/1153903723292192769
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-49159820
More coverage of the university protests in australia
I've been in Aus for several months, near end of last year, and beginning of this year, they seem to have more Chinese there than we do surprised they aren't having massive pro China demonstrations

Traum

07-30-2019, 08:57 PM

I've been in Aus for several months, near end of last year, and beginning of this year, they seem to have more Chinese there than we do surprised they aren't having massive pro China demonstrations
Oh they do have massive pro-China demonstrations, it's just that we don't hear about them. That alone is already ugly on its own, the even uglier part is, many of the Australian politicians have been bought by China to support these pro-China efforts. Furthermore, the (China) United Front people regularly organizes counter-demonstrations when local (Australian) groups organizes demonstrations that protests against Chinese-related stuff. It's only in recent years when Australians are finally waking up to how Communist China has infiltrated far too many parts of their lives that the local governments are scaling back on their overt efforts to bend over and please China.

Traum

07-30-2019, 09:12 PM

Was it a regular shotgun or a beanbag one? Beanbags make complete sense, a regular shotgun should never be used on a person unless as an extreme defensive measure. Hell all the way back in WWI Germany considered a shotgun "inhumane".
All the local Hong Kong mainstream newspapers (and not just Apple Daily) are reporting it as some sort of Remington shotgun. I have not read any news report suggesting whether it was bean bag round or live ammo inside the shotgun. bcedhk has mentioned that local legitimate news channels (NOW and RTHK) are reporting that they are bean bag rounds, but I have not been able to locate that piece of news from their reporting yet. I'd appreciate it if someone can point me to those sources.

But even if the legit channels are reporting that bean bag rounds were in the Remington, my instant reaction is to think that this piece of news is coming from the HKPD PR dept. I am deeply distrustful of the entire HKPD at this point, and their PR personnell has been caught lying outright multiple times in the incidents since June, so I have very little reason to believe them. Until a bag shot has been fired from those Remingtons, I will continue to assume that they are live rounds instead of bag shots.

asian_XL

07-30-2019, 10:22 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI8pz4-m1eA

StylinRed

07-30-2019, 11:26 PM

Some of the white shirts were indeed cops:

https://twitter.com/Badcanto/status/1155712023231025159

Could've been undercover, to help make arrests etc

SkinnyPupp

07-30-2019, 11:28 PM

Could've been undercover, to help make arrests etc
Right, that is indeed a possibility

Manic!

07-31-2019, 12:22 AM

How many times does a person get hit in the head with a baton before they change tactics?

Mr.HappySilp

07-31-2019, 08:05 AM

https://youtu.be/6_RdnVtfZPY

A recap on recent events and how the gov system works in HK.

yray

07-31-2019, 08:20 AM

\
I've been in Aus for several months, near end of last year, and beginning of this year, they seem to have more Chinese there than we do surprised they aren't having massive pro China demonstrations

like the british, the chinese sent their lower levels to australia...

every fob here knows the CCP bullshit :lol

buhdeh

08-01-2019, 05:49 AM

Nah, there are plenty of idiots who live in Canada, go to Canadian schools, and still think CHINA #1. Except now they don't have to log onto a VPN to post propaganda in YouTube comments.

The number of times I hear mainlanders tell me not to trust NY Times, WaPo, WSJ etc is hilarious. Yeah, I should get my news from Chinese state media or fucking Weibo instead.

SkinnyPupp

08-01-2019, 06:30 AM

PLA released this propaganda video today:

https://twitter.com/HongKongFP/status/1156877652235448320

This is the first time they have addressed sending the army into Hong Kong with tanks, chasing protesters, assaulting HK style residential homes, destroying civilian vehicles with grenade launchers. It's right there in the promo, PLA attacking protesters, warning them that “All consequences are at your own risk.” . Also with English subtitles possibly for the first time in a PLA video.

Also the video includes attacking America with missiles.

Don't think any of this is just a coincedence

They are fucking insane.

This is officially scary

Mr.HappySilp

08-01-2019, 07:52 AM

Do it! Roll out the tanks on HK like what happen in 1989. I would love to see what the international gov reactions is after that.

Will they "actually" do something about it and not just talks?

Tim Budong

08-01-2019, 08:12 AM

https://twitter.com/HongKongFP/status/1156877652235448320

This is the first time they have addressed sending the army into Hong Kong with tanks, chasing protesters, assaulting HK style residential homes, destroying civilian vehicles. It's right there in the promo, PLA attacking protesters, warning them that “All consequences are at your own risk.”

Also the video includes attacking America with missiles.

Don't think any of this is just a coincedence

They are fucking insane.

This is officially scary

i saw that... its a fucking insane video. the training and demonstrations across the border recently doesn't help ease the tension.

On another note, local media here tryin to make china kids look bad

https://streamable.com/2t10l

KunLun red Star shenzhen team lost 11-2 to HK U20 team. kid at the beginning got his cage ripped off

EmperorIS

08-01-2019, 08:14 AM

yray

08-01-2019, 10:06 AM

double decker buses versus tanks

that will be interesting

now we are not laughing at hsbc building a modular building :troll:

BIC_BAWS

08-01-2019, 10:23 AM

Nah, there are plenty of idiots who live in Canada, go to Canadian schools, and still think CHINA #1. Except now they don't have to log onto a VPN to post propaganda in YouTube comments.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/british-columbia/article-hong-kong-tensions-reach-bcs-simon-fraser-university-as-notes/
Hong Kong tensions reach B.C’s Simon Fraser University as notes, posters supporting protests partly torn down

Last week at Simon Fraser University’s Burnaby campus, Hong Kong international students and peers who have ties to the territory put up a “Lennon Wall” – a message board full of posters and colourful sticky notes thatmainly express solidarity with Hong Kong’s demonstrators. According to some students, these notes, bearing messages such as “Stay with Hong Kong” and “Fight for Hong Kong,” were partly torn down three nights in a row.

There also was unrest at a university in Australia last week, where disagreements on the Hong Kong political turmoil turned violent. As seen in footage circulated on social media, punches were exchanged at the University of Queensland between pro-Beijing students and those who back the Hong Kong protesters, who began marching to oppose China’s proposal to extradite criminal suspects to the mainland.

He said the campaign does not represent the views of all students from Hong Kong and may increase the tension between students from the territory and mainland. He further added that some mainland Chinese students may think these messages encourage Hong Kong independence.

“They find it surprising: why Hong Kong wants independence,” he said.

Badhobz

08-01-2019, 10:36 AM

Do it! Roll out the tanks on HK like what happen in 1989. I would love to see what the international gov reactions is after that.

Will they "actually" do something about it and not just talks?

What do you think they will do?! They don't give a fuck about what happens in Hong Kong. They rather not jeopardize their economic relationship with China.

If western nations cared would have already stood up and made China back down from creating those man made islands in South China Sea.

If China rolls in tanks all everyone will do is send thoughts and prayers then go about their day to day.

SkinnyPupp

08-01-2019, 06:41 PM

i saw that... its a fucking insane video. the training and demonstrations across the border recently doesn't help ease the tension.

On another note, local media here tryin to make china kids look bad

https://streamable.com/2t10l

KunLun red Star shenzhen team lost 11-2 to HK U20 team. kid at the beginning got his cage ripped off
I mean it's getting more attention because of the political climate now, but we've seen plenty of videos like this... Whenever a Chinese team loses to a HK team, they go absolutely nuts. We've seen it in soccer, basketball, olympics, fucking BADMINTON once.. and yeah hockey too. The brainwashing that Chinese athletes endure must be hard for us to even fathom.

highfive

08-01-2019, 08:17 PM

Skinnypupp is hongkonghermit? Lol jk jk haha

danned

08-01-2019, 09:34 PM

https://i.redd.it/9awaz2a0prd31.jpg

mickz

08-01-2019, 10:02 PM

i saw that... its a fucking insane video. the training and demonstrations across the border recently doesn't help ease the tension.

On another note, local media here tryin to make china kids look bad

https://streamable.com/2t10l

KunLun red Star shenzhen team lost 11-2 to HK U20 team. kid at the beginning got his cage ripped off

How is the local media trying to make the Chinese kids look bad? They're down 11-2 and decided to start assaulting the Hong Kong team. All media outlets, especially the hockey ones are calling it a disgrace.

twitchyzero

08-01-2019, 10:38 PM

i assume those college protests went something like

https://youtu.be/xN0vUlljX0I?t=132

Mr.HappySilp

08-01-2019, 10:44 PM

What do you think they will do?! They don't give a fuck about what happens in Hong Kong. They rather not jeopardize their economic relationship with China.

If western nations cared would have already stood up and made China back down from creating those man made islands in South China Sea.

If China rolls in tanks all everyone will do is send thoughts and prayers then go about their day to day.

The issue with South China Sea is that philippine is closet to the man made island but the president of philippine is very friendly with China so he isn't going to say a thing about it.

If tank does roll in HK you can bet is going to set off the international community. Just think how many companies invest in HK and made HK their main Asian headquarters. Not to mention the US election is coming up soon Trump is going to do something about it for sure (I mean he already started the trade war). All these humanity group is going to point their fingers to China once again.

Traum

08-01-2019, 11:57 PM

Do it! Roll out the tanks on HK like what happen in 1989. I would love to see what the international gov reactions is after that.

Will they "actually" do something about it and not just talks?
While I wouldn't quite phrase it this way, I see the situation as a game of dare between the CCP gov and common Hong Kongers. To twitchyzero, welfare, and others who might have failed the post, I want to remind you that the on-going protests, acts of civil disobedience, and continued clashes are essentially the Hong Kong protesters' way of saying exactly what HappySilp is saying. It'd be absurd to think that the protesters have never considered the possibility of a PLA takeover / crackdown in Hong Kong, and yet their activities continue to occur, so I take that as their answer to the possibility of a PLA shutdown.

I also want to point out -- and this is something that strikes me heavily at the emotional level -- there are 2 biggest revelations that I have come to realize from the 50 days' worth of protesting:

1) the HKSAR gov as well as the HKPD are far more shameless than I have ever imagined
2) the youths of Hong Kong are really casting aside any sense of self-preservation they might have in the face of the HKSAR gov and policy tyranny

#2 is the reality that it is, because the Hong Kong youths see themselves as really having nothing to lose. Even prior to the extradition bill, the future for these youths is already very gloomy. A dead end job that barely makes enough for them to feed themselves. They won't ever be able to afford a place to live, and renting is just another mean of draining them of their hard earned dollars.

Hehe

08-02-2019, 12:31 AM

For PLA to enter HK would be the most stupid decision the CCP can make with HK situation.

It simply showed the rest of the world that China has not changed ONE BIT from 1989.

Given the current economy in China, I'm not sure it can withstand the potential consequences that ensue. Many of US allies who were considering any deal with China or Chinese companies... well, they just gave them a perfect reason not to. And it's not just political. If I were the head of Fobes 500/1000 with big presence in HK, I'd at least cease any further investment into HK to avoid getting caught in the conflict. Some of the more risk-averse industries might simply leave altogether because god knows what's going to happen next in HK.

SkinnyPupp

08-02-2019, 04:15 AM

buhdeh

08-02-2019, 06:19 AM

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/british-columbia/article-hong-kong-tensions-reach-bcs-simon-fraser-university-as-notes/
Hong Kong tensions reach B.C’s Simon Fraser University as notes, posters supporting protests partly torn down

Saw this on reddit too:

https://www.reddit.com/r/simonfraser/comments/ciymgc/id_like_to_share_my_own_experience_at_the_lennon/?ref=readnext

Like I said, plenty of brainwashed idiots.

BIC_BAWS

08-02-2019, 08:44 AM

On another note, local media here tryin to make china kids look bad

https://streamable.com/2t10l

KunLun red Star shenzhen team lost 11-2 to HK U20 team. kid at the beginning got his cage ripped off

According to$Radio Free Asia, the China Ice Hockey Association said the scenes caught on camera were a “collision" .

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/hong-kong-youth-ice-hockey-team-brutally-attacked-by-team-from-chinese-mainland-a9035156.html

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6793026

08-02-2019, 09:15 AM

The big 4 told they are going to flexible, SMB says they are allowing employees to stop work, banks are telling employees they have their rights; let's see how this turns out on this "shut down".

As to 2 million people march that last time; did you know there were some British analyst who wanted to do an actual count? From size of street, flow of people, # of heads, they setup cameras, props, measuring devices and algorithms to try to calculate the validity and the gap between gov't versus private polls.... somehow... these British analyst never came back with their results. I wonder what happened to them.

Tim Budong

08-02-2019, 09:27 AM

u would think that the thread of the financial sector threatening to join Monday's strike is gonna get them to reconsider.. not likely now.

Traum

08-02-2019, 10:01 AM

Tonight HK's civil servants are walking a rally right now. The government caught wind of this and last night issued a sternly-worded statement to all civil workers that they should "be loyal" to the chief executive... My guess is, that letter just increased the number of people by at least 50%. They have no fucking clue how to get people on their side. These aren't fucking commies LUL

I really don't understand WTF the gov and police idiots are thinking. The net effect of everything they do are like acts of intentional provocation to get more people more upset about the situation. FailFish

For PLA to enter HK would be the most stupid decision the CCP can make with HK situation.

It simply showed the rest of the world that China has not changed ONE BIT from 1989.
As the saying goes, there is logic, and then there is Communist Chinese logic. FailFish

IMO, if/when PLA were deployed to clear out any of the protests, they'd have to do it with minimal bloodshed for a variety of political and economic reasons. This likely means they would be explictly disallowed to use live ammo. But then if the PLA is not allowed to use live ammo, then there is no logical reason for them to get involved at all, because the level of force that they use would be no different than what the HKPD is already doing currently. The HKPD has already deterioated into something so ruthless and lawless that they are beating people up without warning or provocation; they are entering into private (residential) properties without warrants to threaten non-violent people with arrest and false accusations of police assault; they have been caught on video firing multiple tear gas canisters to residents doing nothing other than jeering at them. As HK citizens and the world have seen, the HKPD has collectively lost their minds. Without using real, deadly ammo, they are already doing what the PLA would have been asked to do if the no live ammo requirement is there.

On the suggestion that "China has not changed ONE BIT from 1989", I'd tend to say that it is only the resulting behaviour that tends to be exactly the same, but the reasoning behind the scenes that lead to the same conclusion is quite different now than in 1989. Back in 1989, the massacre was more about the Party's infatuation of maintaining control above all else, and at all costs. As a matter of fact, it is also about the very existence and survivability of the Party. But I'd say that the considerations now are more about whether China can withstand an international boycott and their assessment of how far the international community will go. I will continue to assume / expect that Party leaders have smartened up and learned from the 1989 massacre that they cannot kill in an open society like Hong Kong. If China thinks its economy is strong enough to withstand an international boycott for the next 3 - 5 years, they would not be afraid to send in the troops.

6793026

08-02-2019, 04:11 PM

SkinnyPupp

08-02-2019, 06:48 PM

Journalist also wrote an article about the PLA.
1) They wouldn't know shit and alley ways of the HK terrain. It would be the same effect.
2) 4000- 10000 PLA (IF that is even true), before they come, they would put out a curfew first.
3) HK stock exchange would tank about 10000 pts.

I don't think it would ever happen. Again. Time will tell.

I stopped caring about social media / news / reports, reason being... you only get to see 1/2 the clip or a particular beating. It's always someone being attacked... but it never shows the 30 seconds before hand when protesters were proactively taunting ... OR ... you always see police officer hitting someone which sometimes (may or may not be justified)
It is never, ever justified for a police officer to assault someone. Only to subdue them if they are doing something illegal. Whacking at random people with batons, throwing them to the ground... That is pretty much pure thuggery. And often when you do see them arrest someone, they start kicking them in the head, bashing them with the edges of their shields.

Being yelled at is not a good enough reason to shoot tear gas at a group (hitting elderly and young children who happen to be in the area).

I've definitely seen some people doing illegal things, and those people should be identified and arrested. But that hardly happens... When the cops do react, it's more about retaliation and "keeping face" than maintaining peace and keeping order. They are yelling taunts back, picking fights, they are putting up the middle finger, shining lasers and lights at cameras, they are aiming deadly shotguns (with finger on the trigger), sometimes targeting press instead of suspected criminals. None of this is keeping the peace, it's having the opposite effect.

I really have a hard time coming up with why they are doing things this way. My first theory is that they are being commanded by someone high up that we don't even know about, and that person has only ever dealt with small uprisings in Mainland China that can be quashed easily this way. Another theory is that they are purposefully provoking protesters, in order to make them look as bad as possible.

Or maybe they are just incompetent, and are allowing emotions to take over level headed thinking that should be a main component of training. That definitely seems to be the case with some of these people. So many times, you see police restraining other police from breaking formation to chase after individuals. That cop with the shotgun, somehow he waded directly into an angry mob, who subsequently attacked him. Like why would you even think to do that, ESPECIALLY if you have a shotgun on you?

StylinRed

08-02-2019, 08:19 PM

Just look at South Korea, whenever there's a protest/riot of some sort (which seems to happen often) protesters, and police, are more violent than what's going on in HK

Or even protests that have happened historically in HK

So I don't think you should be too surprised at these incidents

Things can easily get far worse, and it wouldn't be out of the norm for the region

twitchyzero

08-02-2019, 09:10 PM

SkinnyPupp

08-03-2019, 09:53 PM

there are probably very few front-line HKPD members left from colonial times

it's not totally illogical to have their responses be more arbitrary than minding the rights of the people they're dealing with
Case in point

https://streamable.com/htqpk

They're basically roaming around the cities like the own the place, threatening anyone they come across. Still waiting to hear about this Filipino guy who was arrested for walking down the street the other day...

https://twitter.com/jimcyf/status/1157745466542399488

Not only are they bashing and arresting people, they are talking shit at them while doing so. Taunting, calling them trash, and of course it's not uncommon for them to tell people to go do things to their female family members...

https://twitter.com/hkpolicerecord/status/1157708839216484353

This is becoming more than just the extradition bill... It's not just some pissed off students having a mini tantrum during their summer off.

https://twitter.com/BaldingsWorld/status/1157684135986511877

The police are the face of a corrupt government that needs to be completely reworked

And worst of all, they have no clue that they are being portrayed this way:

https://twitter.com/VivienneChow/status/1157738293208862720

They think the press is being malicious by filming them? How out of control are these people?

Manic!

08-03-2019, 10:08 PM

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3021275/canada-university-blasts-bullying-and-will-set-mobile-lennon

I have a feeling neither of them are Canadian citizens. People I know would have just slapped him silly because unlike immigrants we can't get deported, at worst would get community service.

320icar

08-03-2019, 10:34 PM

Are the HKPD employees not the people of HK? I am very noob for any of this but do they ship all the HKPD from the mainland?

Yes I understand it’s their job, but wouldn’t lots of them kind of agree with the people if they really are HK born and raised

Traum

08-03-2019, 10:42 PM

As readers in this thread probably already know, I generally side with the protesters, and I continue to see myself that way. And I am still going to post the following video. The setting is in Wong Tai Sin near a police residence at 2:50-ish am:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWlOz4Ag5rY

Action starts at the 4:48 mark. I am unable to verify the truthfulness / accuracy of the following quote, but it is a translated version of what a poster said when he was watching the live feed from RTHK. (The link I posted is from NOW.)

2:50am live feed from RTHK. A Wong Tai Sin off duty dog got into a verbal argument with a resident. It turned into a 1-on-1 fight, but he was getting beat up. As he retreats, he continues to receive the occasional punches, and even had someone pouring water on him. In the end, he escaped into the police dog riot shield defensive zone.

It started as a verbal argument, then turned into a 1-on-1 fight. They fought and fell to the ground. Tons of reporters surrounding them filiming.

After fight for a bit, the off duty dog had a friend intervene and dragged him out. Emotions ran high among the crowds. As they retrreat, they continue to receive punches here and there, and they are too afraid to retailiate. They kept walking until they got to the dog house. Right before they got behind the riot shield formations, a young guy managed to pour/dump a bottle of water on his head.

ON a more careful look, after (the off duty police) fell to the ground, a young guy splashed/wiped some green paint on his face. No wonder his whole head was green.

As the feed I watched is from NOW instead of RTHK, I cannot verify the truthfullness of the recount. But from watching the NOW feed alone, I clearly felt that the off duty police was terrified. Additionally, in a later scene when the riot police come out to form a perimeter with their riot gear, I also thought they were hesitant, confused, unsure of what to do, as well as afraid.

From the scenes when the residents were all group chanting curses at the police, you can tell how much and how intense the hatred towards the police is. And when I look at that, I have absolutely zero sympathy for the police. The reason public sentiments have deterioated into this is obvious and really requires no explanation.

The HKPD is a 30k+ strong force. Each and every day, I don't know how they can look at themselves and still think they are doing the right thing when large factions of the general population is telling them otherwise, and in the most demeaning manner as well.

Traum

08-03-2019, 11:01 PM

Additionally, from what I can gather, I'd say a brief summary of the Wong Tai Sin clashing that took place yesterday is as follows:

The police has incorrectly arrested some (2?) of the local Wong Tai Sin residents, who were reportedly merely in their casual clothing and slippers. That quickly pissed off the local residents and resulting in a lot of cursing towards the police. As the police retreats / moves out, they have inadvertently knocked down an elderly man. That infuriated even more of the local residents, prompting them to come out from their homes -- again in their casual clothing and often just wearing slippers. As the cursing continues, the regular police escaped in a police vehicle, and fully geared riot police came out for a crackdown with batons and tear gas again. That resulted in the residents fighting back with garbage and whatever items they can find at hand.

Again, I will stress that the police is doing it all wrong. When local residents are not afraid to come out and jeer at or even clash with the police in their decidedly unprotected state, it speaks volume of how much the police are hated by the general public.

6793026

08-03-2019, 11:22 PM

https://i.ibb.co/7Kn3CWp/1234.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

I love this post / video.
https://www.facebook.com/1999082133720871/videos/428685954399890/

Few things to keep in mind. Regardless of which country, police/government will not listen to anyone unless you're a leader (esp. in a riot) and able to calm the crowd.

In these HK situation, protesters are currently without a specific leader nor a supporting organization.

Dialogue:

Ted Hui (is a Democratic Party politician) is asking "Can I have a word with the commanding officer"

Commander:
Ted Hui, I am warning you again!
You are disrupting police with your protest amplifier.
If you don't stop, I'm going to take it away.
Ted Hui, In this operation, only police has the authority to determine where the blockade lines are set. It is not your decision.
Protesters are not listening to warnings, they are without backing / supporting organization. The only chant they are saying is "be water"
You are here to get exposure. Please do not get in the way of police work.

Who the fuck do you think you are to ask the commanding officer to chat with you.? You're an MP / politician, what right do you have to ask police to move the blockade line or delay their actions.

If you are the leader for the rioters and have ability to calm them, I can see why.

It's like having Downtown Vancouver MP, using a protest amplifier telling the RCMP during the Canucks riot to have a chat and maybe delay their crowd control...

6793026

08-03-2019, 11:41 PM

That cop with the shotgun, somehow he waded directly into an angry mob, who subsequently attacked him. Like why would you even think to do that, ESPECIALLY if you have a shotgun on you?

Not trolling. Just funny cause he became famous as Mr. shotgun cop.
He is an officer and because of his ranking, he was allowed to have access to a shotgun. I can't imagine what would happen if he did fire any shots.
Of course, he's clearly aiming in this, what was before or after...

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/08/03/21/16854652-7318153-image-a-56_1564863420630.jpg

Different perspective on the cop with shotgun.

https://www.facebook.com/Anti.OCLP928/videos/2322948337783738/
In this video, he was retreating.

We had a post on FB:
"OMG.. he's aiming with a real shotgun!!!!"
"What did you fucking expect? You want them to be using fake guns?"

SkinnyPupp

08-04-2019, 03:31 AM

Kind of got caught up in the tail end of the protest in TKO... Was hard to get home, I actually had to take the MTR into town, then a bus home from the other side. Mostly students, but also saw lots of families marching with their kids. There were water stations, medics, it was pretty well organized and seemed to be going smoothly. Just showing their opinions of things. The mall was pretty dead compared to usual on a Sunday (they had signs in their windows politely asking police not to enter the private property, after what happened in Sha Tin). Some ground level stores were closed, the wet market was mostly empty for some reason.

It's getting really fucking carried away though, some protesters started throwing eggs at the police station... Normally I'd be OK with that since no damage is done, but then they started chucking bricks and breaking windows. I understand the rage, but that is not the way to go about things.

There was a gathering at a police residence last night (in HK all police/customs officers/etc live in quarters provided by the government). They weren't throwing bricks, but some residents in the building started throwing glass bottles at the protesters, and shooting them with fireworks

whitev70r

08-04-2019, 06:54 AM

I wasn't going to reply to you but wanted to appreciate the unbiased 1st personal account. Keep those coming and ditch the posting of tweets and 15 sec vid clips.

Kind of got caught up in the tail end of the protest in TKO... Was hard to get home, I actually had to take the MTR into town, then a bus home from the other side. Mostly students, but also saw lots of families marching with their kids. There were water stations, medics, it was pretty well organized and seemed to be going smoothly. Just showing their opinions of things. The mall was pretty dead compared to usual on a Sunday (they had signs in their windows politely asking police not to enter the private property, after what happened in Sha Tin). Some ground level stores were closed, the wet market was mostly empty for some reason.

It's getting really fucking carried away though, some protesters started throwing eggs at the police station... Normally I'd be OK with that since no damage is done, but then they started chucking bricks and breaking windows. I understand the rage, but that is not the way to go about things.

There was a gathering at a police residence last night (in HK all police/customs officers/etc live in quarters provided by the government). They weren't throwing bricks, but some residents in the building started throwing glass bottles at the protesters, and shooting them with fireworks

highfive

08-04-2019, 09:10 AM

Although we hold the police conduct at a higher standard, the swearing comes from both sides skinnypupp. So many video I hear the protesters saying shit to the police.

I just think both parties are exhausted. To a point where it’s citizens vs police and they lost what they were fighting for in the beginning. Where the fuck is CE?

EmperorIS

08-04-2019, 10:35 AM

For those of you who speak Cantonese. Pretty well dubbed video

https://www.facebook.com/412058519003625/posts/1080639125478891?sfns=mo

6793026

08-04-2019, 12:00 PM

So many video I hear the protesters saying shit to the police.

I just think both parties are exhausted. To a point where it’s citizens vs police and they lost what they were fighting for in the beginning. Where the fuck is CE?

Yup. So so many videos from both sides.
-"why are police lining up blocking the road when there are no protester." It's called a blockade line.
-tons of videos of protesters wearing white shirts and then slip into the alley way putting on black shirts....
-tons of videos of people spray painting police stations, locking the station from the outside
-as skinnypup says, they were firing fireworks...

It's coming to a point these kids are just there to cause chaos.

CE has been missing for 11 days. I really don't know what people want from her.

Seriously, can anyone name the demands made? let alone how many there are?

1) resign of CE
2) bill withdraw
3) independent inquiry
4) everyone arrested in respect of the clashes must be unconditionally freed.
5) government must retract its characterization of the violent clashes as “riots”

For the last 22 years, they have all wanted the CE to step down. Ain't going to happen. Bill is already "dead". CE won't come out to change her speech. The rest.. just won't happen, so what is there to ask for.... I can't see any of these demands being addressed.

whitev70r

08-04-2019, 12:36 PM

^ This. Protesters and the common HK folks, you won one round ... know when to cash in and walk away. You have no idea how big of a win it was for you to have CL go on public TV and withdraw the extradition bill. Think of the face that they lost.

Now go back to school, go back to work before mom and dad (read China) bring out the feather duster and beat your arses.

trd2343

08-04-2019, 02:29 PM

^ This. Protesters and the common HK folks, you won one round ... know when to cash in and walk away. You have no idea how big of a win it was for CL to go on public TV and withdraw the extradition bill. Think of the face that they lost.

Now go back to school, go back to work before mom and dad (read China) bring out the feather duster and beat your arses.

Logically, I agree with what you said in the first paragraph, as in, it's probably the best course of action (best, not moral/right).

I just have to say though the last sentence comes off insensitive, whether you mean it or not. It just sounds like HK deserves the beating? (Which they shouldn't or don't)

I'm neutral/anti-protest for this ordeal (not whether the government is right or not), because, again, I may be ignorant, but I fail or haven't seen any positive change from this protest.

However, "That's life/Life's not fair/Suck it up" etc. (I'm not referring to anyone specifically) is far from what I feel for the people of Hong Kong. If anything, I pity them and feel bad for them. I was born in HK, and unless I'm forced to, there's no way I'm going back there to live, for political reason, and lifestyle reason as well (stress, housing, education).

If a friend/family ask me should they go attend the protest, I would tell them it's their choice, I won't stop you if you go, but I won't encourage you either. No one expects or wishes for casualties or injuries, but there were. But I hate to have that on my conscience, that I encourage a family or friend, and they get hurt, or even die, and I'm just sitting here comfortably in Vancouver.

asian_XL

08-04-2019, 04:46 PM

some lady trying to block the train door :heckno:

Badhobz

08-04-2019, 05:28 PM

Da fuck ? I'm sure some hamsup lo (horny guy) will move her quickly... Even if she has a face like integragirl.

P.s. business outfit with Sneaker shoes ?!?! :heckno:

bobbinka

08-04-2019, 06:52 PM

Da fuck ? I'm sure some hamsup lo (horny guy) will move her quickly... Even if she has a face like integragirl.

P.s. business outfit with Sneaker shoes ?!?! :heckno:

You never changed shoes in your life? :rukidding:

Badhobz

08-04-2019, 07:06 PM

not when im working.

Tim Budong

08-04-2019, 07:14 PM

I live across the road from WongTaiSin police station....it is getting out of hand.

With that said, Carrie Lam made no attempts to give the people of hong kong any confidence. She said absolutely NOTHING

so more chaos will occur now

EvoFire

08-04-2019, 08:26 PM

I think one really unmentioned outcome of these protests in HK is that the disagreements are tearing some families apart.

My cousin who lives in HK, she's in the pro-democracy camp. Her dad is pro-democracy. Her mom is pro-government. Her dad and her went to some of the marches. Her mom was not cool with it and they've had huge fights. Between her and her mom, and between her mom and dad.

This all came out because I messaged her last night checking in on the family(She's one of my closer relatives that I can talk to). She says some family gatherings are unbearable because the family is mostly pro-government.

An aside to all that's happening, according to her, some people are saying that the extradition bill wasn't to arrest "naysayers" of the government, though it would be a bonus. It was a method to stem and possibly claw back all the dirty money that's been flowing out of China. It seems reasonable that a lot of the illegal capital outflow from China would get parked in HK as it would be the easiest outlet.

The following would be my own opinion. What if China is secretly running out of money? They've dumped billions into empty cities with nothing to show for it. They've dumped billions into the belt and road initiatives, and they've recently put a stop to all that. This extradition bill was just a part of it to claw some of the money that was bled out to corruption.
Though it doesn't explain why Carrie Lam is so stubborn and steadfast about the whole thing. Maybe it's just her personality. She was known to be stubborn before she became CE.

Sorry for all the rambling... back to your regular programming of Skinny posting pics and news.

Traum

08-04-2019, 10:02 PM

The following would be my own opinion. What if China is secretly running out of money? They've dumped billions into empty cities with nothing to show for it. They've dumped billions into the belt and road initiatives, and they've recently put a stop to all that. This extradition bill was just a part of it to claw some of the money that was bled out to corruption.
Though it doesn't explain why Carrie Lam is so stubborn and steadfast about the whole thing. Maybe it's just her personality. She was known to be stubborn before she became CE.

I wouldn't say your suggestion is a secret. I think a general consensus among many China experts is that China is fast running out of money. Where they often differ is how much and how soon that will happen, and whether China can salvage itself from imploding. One analyst that based his observations on (Chinese) state-released numbers is suggesting that all of China's net reserves is only roughly the same as the total reserves that Hong Kong has. It is also no secret that China originally wanted to use the extradition bill to help arrest people that have channeled funds out of China and into Hong Kong.

Since we are talking about the financial aspect of things, a critical point that I have always known, but didn't know the stakes were this high, is that Hong Kong is far more important to China financially than China is to Hong Kong. According to this recent article in Financial Times:

https://www.ft.com/content/3c0860a0-b506-11e9-bec9-fdcab53d6959

[The] headline figures suggest that Hong Kong has become less important. When the UK handed back control$in 1997, the$Hong Kong$economy was equivalent to 18 per cent of the mainland’s gross domestic product.$Now it accounts for$less than 3 per cent$of China’s economy.$

But those numbers disguise the role that the city still plays. In order to raise funding in US dollars, Chinese companies lean heavily on Hong Kong’s financial markets — markets which are rooted in the city’s independent legal system based on English Common Law.$

Without the legal framework, China’s legion of state and privately owned companies could struggle to continue to raise war chests of US dollars in the city, while Hong Kong’s status as a safe base for those companies to invest overseas could also be threatened.

“I do not see an entirely open capital account, as we know it, being adopted any time soon on the mainland of China,” says Joseph Yam, former chief executive of the Hong Kong Monetary Authority, the city’s de facto central bank.$

Hong Kong’s capital markets are now dominated by Chinese corporations, which accounted for 91 per cent of the $9.4bn raised in initial public offerings this year in the city. In debt capital markets, Chinese companies have borrowed $647bn in US dollar fundraising, or 75 per cent of all US dollars raised in Asia this year. Most of those debt deals are launched in Hong Kong.

twitchyzero

08-04-2019, 10:30 PM

if it's no secret why isn't this posted until page 26

i prefer analysis like this over twitter redirects

also, family rift from politics is not uncommon

think GOP vs Dem dividing families

Traum

08-04-2019, 10:43 PM

if it's no secret why isn't this posted until page 26
If you ask me, I'd say that it's because the thread is about the Hong Kong protests, not China's financial state. Had EvoFire not brought the topic up, I wouldn't even mentioned it here.

welfare

08-04-2019, 10:59 PM

I wonder how things will escalate once the September tariffs take effect.
Interesting times we live in.

nah

08-04-2019, 11:19 PM

I wonder how things will escalate once the September tariffs take effect.
Interesting times we live in.

Just in time for the release of the new Apple iPhones.

asian_XL

08-05-2019, 04:55 AM

https://www.facebook.com/f4da4078-2806-45bd-a45d-c86526749748

not movie...but it looks like World War Z
https://www.facebook.com/100008194878271/videos/2454027134880425/

whitev70r

08-05-2019, 06:03 AM

I think one really unmentioned outcome of these protests in HK is that the disagreements are tearing some families apart.

In one of SkinnyPupp's more candid, personal, helpful, (and self-aware) moments, it's been mentioned. Frankly speaking, people were aware of this, found themselves embroiled in it probably after week 1-2 of the protest, it is now in week 9.

It legitimately saddens me. I was so disappointed in my wife's dad when we talked to him shortly after the protests started. I guess that feeling kind of affects me when I see it here (and I know he's not trolling, so I am happy to accept people here are, it kind of makes it easier)

Fafine

08-05-2019, 10:48 AM

some lady trying to block the train door :heckno:

Scroll to the last pic, issa man bruh that or a girl with lots of leg hair
https://www.instagram.com/p/B0w4r4RJYg5/?igshid=r7k2gi72wd0f

trd2343

08-05-2019, 11:21 AM

If you ask me, I'd say that it's because the thread is about the Hong Kong protests, not China's financial state. Had EvoFire not brought the topic up, I wouldn't even mentioned it here.

Wouldn't China's financial state be kind of relevant though? At this point, I think it's pretty clear China doesn't believe in any of the things Hong Kong is fighting for right now.

But if Hong Kong proves to be financially more important to China than the other way around (or China needs Hong Kong more than Hong Kong needs China, financially), couldn't this then become a bargaining chip of some sort for Hong Kong to get what they want?

I was always under the impression that China can afford to have this drag on and Hong Kong can't. But maybe, just maybe, China is close to the point that they realize this protest is costing them too much financially, and could potentially give in to the protest. As much as the China government care about face, I certainly can't see them as going against money.

twitchyzero

08-05-2019, 12:12 PM

china's financial health esp if it's supposedly the basis of the extradition bill then couldn't possibly be more relevant to the discussion

things seem to be really detoriating now: partial airport shutdown, cars ramming through barriers, more thugs with batons....PLA deployment/marital law seems more and more a possibility, wonder what Beijing is announcing soon

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3021485/beijing-announce-something-new-hong-kong-second-press-briefing

SkinnyPupp

08-05-2019, 03:59 PM

StylinRed

08-05-2019, 05:53 PM

Shirts been hitting the fan on Monday, they're going to force China to come in and institute martial law at this rate

Tim Budong

08-05-2019, 06:18 PM

Shirts been hitting the fan on Monday, they're going to force China to come in and institute martial law at this rate

let see what the 3pm press con is about today

Bahhbeehhaaaa

08-05-2019, 06:48 PM

There's been speculation that some of the police are PLA soldiers in disguise. Or at least security officers sent down from China... No hard evidence that I've seen though, until now

https://twitter.com/Badcanto/status/1158485716319346688

that's soo mainland, :heckno:

whitev70r

08-05-2019, 06:54 PM

Shirts been hitting the fan on Monday, they're going to force China to come in and institute martial law at this rate

Unfortunately, at the rate that things are developing, I can't see it turning out any other way. Please believe me when I say that it is not the outcome that I want to see or hoping for. I'm really hoping the Protesters will stand down.

But there will be another 8.X day (like June 4th) in the annals of HK history to mark the PLA coming into HK. I think it will probably happen within the next 7-10 days unless some miraculous intervention.

twdm

08-05-2019, 06:55 PM

Lol this commie thug got his ass beat. You can tell he is mainland, and shortly after the video starts he asks whether the reporter is from apple daily. Mainland being mainland. Fuck with the mob and the mob fucks you.

https://www.facebook.com/TsangWaiHungAndy/videos/1390556391096004/?s=100000422086754&v=e&sfns=mo

Sure. Send in the PLA. Watch $30 trillion HKD on the Hong Kong exchange evaporate.

The protesters will at least get some cheap housing when the money leaves hong kong.

SkinnyPupp

08-05-2019, 07:27 PM

Unfortunately, at the rate that things are developing, I can't see it turning out any other way. Please believe me when I say that it is not the outcome that I want to see or hoping for. I'm really hoping the Protesters will stand down.

But there will be another 8.X day (like June 4th) in the annals of HK history to mark the PLA coming into HK. I think it will probably happen within the next 7-10 days unless some miraculous intervention.
They will not back down

I do hope they stop using fire bombs and shit

Ch28

08-05-2019, 10:08 PM

Lol this commie thug got his ass beat. You can tell he is mainland, and shortly after the video starts he asks whether the reporter is from apple daily. Mainland being mainland. Fuck with the mob and the mob fucks you.

https://www.facebook.com/TsangWaiHungAndy/videos/1390556391096004/?s=100000422086754&v=e&sfns=mo

Sure. Send in the PLA. Watch $30 trillion HKD on the Hong Kong exchange evaporate.

The protesters will at least get some cheap housing when the money leaves hong kong.

Here's a YouTube link

https://youtu.be/520Y9G4ao-A

6793026

08-06-2019, 01:27 PM

https://scontent.fyvr4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/67768754_2591920627526361_7791959153353687040_n.jp g?_nc_cat=101&_nc_eui2=AeFtT7w5qH4UFYzNeiVFCxy6YRVFExVxxljw9c5fW z5gKHf0DGkdE_7nis6j3V35EAHb49oUteb0fOKjj1QQcvTFMyq EATJ3BfEv7Fhg5Ft2hg&_nc_oc=AQmoAA1ZLxobQmDSQ_Ka04LX5vAlTwtNMC6M7GWLcE1 3Lgrmp8WRXRec19nyfHDrkCA&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr4-1.fna&oh=a9e0ba7df44c835b06e5db4c5a4e6ac8&oe=5DD3F5F9

Running joke right is this dude; 又係暴徒又係記者又係街坊.
white shirt, black shirt + Reporter. Man, these guys must be making money from all sides.

I can see why people are trying to not go to work to make a point, but you can't force to not go to work. In Canada, you have the right to cross picket lines (if you're management etc), you won't see someone blocking you from entering.

Gangs of people going to MTR and blocking the trains from moving, running out to the road to try to setup illegal blockade is just uncalled for.

Hondaracer

08-06-2019, 03:06 PM

Nothing says making a point like umbrellas and badminton rackets..

Badhobz

08-06-2019, 05:10 PM

Looks like China is threatening to use force if this civil unrest continues. If they do move the PLA in, it'll most likely be the end of Hong Kong's special system and China will clamp down even harder. So these riots might have backfired and actually end up screwing everything up even more. GG, no re.

Infiniti

08-06-2019, 05:37 PM

Here's a YouTube link

https://youtu.be/520Y9G4ao-A

For those of us who don't speak spanish, who is the middle-aged guy in the white shirt with stripes?

BIC_BAWS

08-06-2019, 05:48 PM

Ready to get flamed.. but at this rate the PLA probably have public support to move in. This is fucking nuts. 25+ people using weapons on someone who has no weapons.

Who the fuck are these protestors? Looks more like hooligans to me. Looks like they're just out and about so that they can fuck shit up.

From the outside world, I don't give a shit what cause you're fighting, it looks no different than the police acting as a gang or the traids who are the gang, fucking people up.

Where's that kid that took punches and didn't fight back? That's honorable. What the fuck is this shit. Cool, punch him a couple of times to make a point, I get it. But that was fucking excessive.

Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk

BIC_BAWS

08-06-2019, 05:51 PM

For those of us who don't speak spanish, who is the middle-aged guy in the white shirt with stripes?

That's the guy that got gang banged - literally. Banged on the head (& probably other heads)

Manic!

08-06-2019, 06:00 PM

Nothing says making a point like umbrellas and badminton rackets..

It's kind of smart because what are they going to do arrest you for holding an umbrella?

Badhobz

08-06-2019, 06:35 PM

That's the guy that got gang banged - literally. Banged on the head (& probably other heads)

That was really hard to watch to be honest. People are fucking animals.

Hondaracer

08-06-2019, 06:50 PM

It's kind of smart because what are they going to do arrest you for holding an umbrella?

I suppose. But if you’re willing to cover up your face and attack people you’d think you’d want to make it count

threezero

08-06-2019, 07:22 PM

winson604

08-06-2019, 07:36 PM

It's kind of smart because what are they going to do arrest you for holding an umbrella?

Only canto people will get this but it's like the folding chair!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlxaMMMWHxA

EmperorIS

08-06-2019, 07:59 PM

Manic!

08-06-2019, 08:13 PM

I suppose. But if you’re willing to cover up your face and attack people you’d think you’d want to make it count

Faces are covered because of facial recognition. You get caught o camera and six months down the road the cops arrest you at work and you disappear. The umbrella I thing would be more of a defensive weapon for things like pepper spray and it's something everyone already has.

twitchyzero

08-06-2019, 08:42 PM

my heads spinning, dont even know what to believe any more

a few bad apples shouldn't represent all protesters but these violent outbreaks no longer seem isolated and mob mentality/anarchy seems to have become a desperate approach

if i were a foreign company i'd pull out ASAP, not worth the shit show

v_tec

08-06-2019, 10:11 PM

SkinnyPupp

08-06-2019, 11:42 PM

Or this (drone?) video of cops switching to black t-shirts
https://www.facebook.com/100026744855718/videos/371814103720082/
I dunno, I wouldn't want a cop to make any assumptions if I wear a black shirt (which is pretty much all I wear) so I won't do the same to them.

I'd need to see footage of the same faces in both crowds...

twdm

08-06-2019, 11:44 PM

That's the guy that got gang banged - literally. Banged on the head (& probably other heads)

You mean the man who tried to jump protesters with his 10 man gang then got his ass handed to him when the mob decided to fight back.

Lol I love it when mainlanders get a good beating. Triggers our resident commies. Advocating police brutality, massacre of unarmed citizens and sexual assault, but can't handle a little samurai shodown. Start shit, eat shit.

P.s. most of the weapons used to spank him were taken from his own buddies

SkinnyPupp

08-06-2019, 11:45 PM

What if China just do nothing… Sit on the sideline and wait for Hong Kong to sink into complete total anarchy and chaos. At that point they would have the people's support to roll in PLA and restore order and "save the day" so to speak.

After weeks of this, I still feel for the HongKong people. But Hong Kong is not united enough for a revolution. And most important leaderless revolutions does not work. There is no plan after failing to beg and plead.
They will never get the peoples' support. Not real people

The best hope is that this shows China how strong their compatriots can be, HK people persist against all odds. There is no sign of hope for their future, the governments are not only ignoring them, but provoking them and literally taunting them.

This is the kind of grassroots movement that becomes a revolution. And imagine tens of millions of people in China doing it, instead of a few million in HK...

I'm sure most residents in China don't think they have a reason to fight like this, but if the country is running out of money like people say they are, who knows

SkinnyPupp

08-06-2019, 11:50 PM

Lawyers marched today... Again this should remind everyone that it's not just students spending their summer protesting, or extremists throwing molotovs... Much of HK is behind the movement.

https://twitter.com/yuenok/status/1158971959465529344

StylinRed

08-07-2019, 01:35 AM

The best hope is that this shows China how strong their compatriots can be, HK people persist against all odds.

This is the kind of grassroots movement that becomes a revolution. And imagine tens of millions of people in China doing it, instead of a few million in HK...

Which is exactly why China won't allow this to persist, it can't be shown that things like this can go unchecked

I can't imagine the protesters can't see this? They'll literally be forcing china's hand

SkinnyPupp

08-07-2019, 06:56 AM

Which is exactly why China won't allow this to persist, it can't be shown that things like this can go unchecked

I can't imagine the protesters can't see this? They'll literally be forcing china's hand
Of course they know this

BIC_BAWS

08-07-2019, 07:10 AM

Lol this commie thug got his ass beat. You can tell he is mainland, and shortly after the video starts he asks whether the reporter is from apple daily. Mainland being mainland. Fuck with the mob and the mob fucks you.

I watched the whole video. The guy who asked whether the reporter is from Apple Daily was a guy with a graphic white shirt and the badminton racket. I thought those were the kids.

You mean the man who tried to jump protesters with his 10 man gang then got his ass handed to him when the mob decided to fight back.

P.s. most of the weapons used to spank him were taken from his own buddies

That video is so confusing. It looks like the same group of people from the beginning, who asked if reporter was from Apple Daily, who then decided to jump the guy with the white striped shirt.. and I guess someone gave him a different shirt(?). Clothes change at the end, but it looks like it's the same white striped polo shirt guy.

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twitchyzero

08-07-2019, 07:23 AM

twitchyzero

08-07-2019, 07:30 AM

the video 'proof' in this thread is comical though

omg the officer said comrade = red army confirmed

omg the police switched into dark-coloured civilian clothing = corruption confirmed

SkinnyPupp

08-07-2019, 07:45 AM

these hooligans will probably end up targeting anyone who's heard speaking Mandarin in the city when the adrenaline is going

This isn't true at all. They've been chanting in mandarin, and I've seen them cheering people for yelling at cops in mandarin.

This isn't an anti-mainland protest, it's anti mainland government.

Unfortunately the camaraderie isn't going the other way, as the combination of brainwashing and stupidity is very dangerous, as we've seen in pro-HK protests in schools around the world

threezero

08-07-2019, 02:37 PM

This isn't true at all. They've been chanting in mandarin, and I've seen them cheering people for yelling at cops in mandarin.

This isn't an anti-mainland protest, it's anti mainland government.

Unfortunately the camaraderie isn't going the other way, as the combination of brainwashing and stupidity is very dangerous, as we've seen in pro-HK protests in schools around the world

I applaud you for continousluy presenting the true intent of the protest from the begining.

But this is no longer the same peaceful protest in the beginning. Just look at all the social media stuff post online on both mainland and honger side. Its an all out race war. All the derergatory racist terms used on both side of the fence. Some of the terms honger used were absolutely disgusting. Calling mainlander racist terms that was used in colonial and japanese occupational days. Even some of the banner used in protest has straight up racist slangs in both chinese and english.

You and some core group of protester might see this as an anti CCP protest. There is vast group of people that are using this as a chance to voice their general anguish toward the society, toward mainlanders and to stir shit in general.

This is just providing CCP with all the propganda they need to paint the protest in the worse light possible. The general public in China is definitely not on Hong Kong side. How can they can when there are image of protesters holding up sign calling they "china pig". A very derogative term used by japanese during the second world war. I mean I feel angry looking at these clearly chinese looking people holding up sign denouncing their race and history. And I fully support their cause and what they are fighting for.

I know Skinny you consider Hong Kong your home and I completely see why you and the other hong kong protester are trying to fight for here. But this is ripping all chinese apart collectively. Just look at people making asumption based on someone's accent and they way they look/dress. No mainlander would feel safe right now in HK unless they can speak perfect hk style cantonese. And I'm sorry people are still claiming the city is not in a anti-mainlander mode right now?

This protest HAS affect the daily life of all Honger at this point. Its now impossible to carry on living in the town and not be involve somehow. Trying to drive through a blockade to go home? Wait while the protestor vandalize your car. I think saying the ENTIRE city is behind is a gross exageration. The entire city is now drag into this, those that have the means to leave are leaving to wait it out or for good. There is no place in the city to have the opposite opioion or to just to simply remain neutral. Just because the voice of the anti-government folks are louder doesn't mean there aint other voice. Some people truly just wants to be left along. If this carries on for another month or two, there WILL be more and more local support for PLA to roll in and restore order. Not neccesary because they are pro-CCP, they just want peace.

Thats why I continous to question, what is the next step here after pleading and pleading some more? Without a clear leadership it will just be total chaos and anarchy like right now. People taking advantage of the chaos to further their own personal agenda.

Madness just complete madness.

Manic!

08-07-2019, 03:04 PM

I'm sorry to break it to people but gandhi style peaceful protests don't work when dealing with authoritarian governments. Disrupting daily life is what has to be done. Look at what Mandela had to do.

twdm

08-07-2019, 05:55 PM

we dont know the events leading up to the video, maybe the older guy did something unspeakable to the group

i dont know but sounds twdm was right up in there so maybe he can fill us in LUL

but when i see someone defensiveless in a mercy position, and 10-12+ group continue to try and basically curb stomp him, that's how synergistic/mob mentality ends up killing someone...it went from peaceful reverse this bill protest to Mainlander lynching from twdm's sentiment

just like how the triad/thugs end up beating up seniors/kids instead of protesters, these hooligans will probably end up targeting anyone who's heard speaking Mandarin in the city when the adrenaline is going

Uhh so curb stomping your attackers is the same as randomly attacking mandarin speakers? Did you see that guy even complain that they got the wrong guy? No, cause he knew he started shit and now he's reaping his rewards.

I didn't see you condemning the people who curb stomped innocent citizens in the yuen long attacks.

Plus here's context on what happened to one of the protesters who got attacked by this gang. This poor soul got shanked by the old dude's gang. He's lucky the mob didn't plaster his brains on the sidewalk.

https://scontent-hkg3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p180x540/67776657_796347084114698_1189378638714241024_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=108&_nc_oc=AQlIir-kQj_M8yRSOBB_8WIJy9CSChjSYetI8Zq8irSyNqRoCV5CGkcf1 pcuq-4_MHc&_nc_ht=scontent-hkg3-2.xx&oh=2f31d5045b83d54457f0fad01d4f5932&oe=5DD5DB34[

welfare

08-07-2019, 07:28 PM

6793026

08-07-2019, 07:49 PM

Thats why I continous to question, what is the next step here after pleading and pleading some more? Without a clear leadership it will just be total chaos and anarchy like right now. People taking advantage of the chaos to further their own personal agenda.

Yup. It's at a point where protesting has led to 10% of the extremist on either side causing shit. The moment you start vandalizing police stations, setting up blockades at arteries and disrupting is MTR.... it's has gone to shit.

Parliament building, then police stations, blocking tunnels.... ONE day it will get to a point of no return.

twdm

08-07-2019, 08:10 PM

And just look at South Africa now..

As a black man, would you rather live in pre-apartheid south africa or post-aparthied south africa.

Yea ok.

twitchyzero

08-07-2019, 08:50 PM

I didn't see you condemning the people who curb stomped innocent citizens in the yuen long attacks.

i clearly said i didn't know the events leading up to the video

i haven't spent all day scouring twitter/weibo/facebook whatever but the little i saw seemed like yuen long was a pretty blanket attack, i didn't recall the camera panning to a 12-on-1 bukkake

what is the next step here after pleading and pleading some more? Without a clear leadership it will just be total chaos and anarchy like right now

BE WATER

https://pmcvariety.files.wordpress.com/2018/07/enter-the-dragon-bruce-lee.jpg?w=1000

welfare

08-07-2019, 09:58 PM

As a black man, would you rather live in pre-apartheid south africa or post-aparthied south africa.

Yea ok.

Maybe you should ask the black people living there in squalor, lawlessness, ridiculous youth unemployment, highest inequality in the world. Etc. Etc.
I'm sure their answer wouldn't be quite as "black and white" as you'd think.

StylinRed

08-08-2019, 01:52 AM

Of course they know this

Then I guess they won't be surprised when China announces that the one country, two gov't system just isn't possible any longer, as its clear the HK gov't cannot run HK, and in sweeps the PLA to bring back peace, n order, and off to the re-education camps/prisons go the protesters

Cause that's the endgame especially with a growing, directionless, violent, mob

Manic!

08-08-2019, 01:57 AM

Maybe you should ask the black people living there in squalor, lawlessness, ridiculous youth unemployment, highest inequality in the world. Etc. Etc.
I'm sure their answer wouldn't be quite as "black and white" as you'd think.

Like they where living the high life during apartheid.

How much ammo you have stocked up for race wars? because we all know you own a bunch of guns.

This songs for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4HJfcecgos

SkinnyPupp

08-08-2019, 03:33 AM

I applaud you for continousluy presenting the true intent of the protest from the begining.

But this is no longer the same peaceful protest in the beginning. Just look at all the social media stuff post online on both mainland and honger side. Its an all out race war. All the derergatory racist terms used on both side of the fence. Some of the terms honger used were absolutely disgusting. Calling mainlander racist terms that was used in colonial and japanese occupational days. Even some of the banner used in protest has straight up racist slangs in both chinese and english.

You and some core group of protester might see this as an anti CCP protest. There is vast group of people that are using this as a chance to voice their general anguish toward the society, toward mainlanders and to stir shit in general.

This is just providing CCP with all the propganda they need to paint the protest in the worse light possible. The general public in China is definitely not on Hong Kong side. How can they can when there are image of protesters holding up sign calling they "china pig". A very derogative term used by japanese during the second world war. I mean I feel angry looking at these clearly chinese looking people holding up sign denouncing their race and history. And I fully support their cause and what they are fighting for.

I know Skinny you consider Hong Kong your home and I completely see why you and the other hong kong protester are trying to fight for here. But this is ripping all chinese apart collectively. Just look at people making asumption based on someone's accent and they way they look/dress. No mainlander would feel safe right now in HK unless they can speak perfect hk style cantonese. And I'm sorry people are still claiming the city is not in a anti-mainlander mode right now?

This protest HAS affect the daily life of all Honger at this point. Its now impossible to carry on living in the town and not be involve somehow. Trying to drive through a blockade to go home? Wait while the protestor vandalize your car. I think saying the ENTIRE city is behind is a gross exageration. The entire city is now drag into this, those that have the means to leave are leaving to wait it out or for good. There is no place in the city to have the opposite opioion or to just to simply remain neutral. Just because the voice of the anti-government folks are louder doesn't mean there aint other voice. Some people truly just wants to be left along. If this carries on for another month or two, there WILL be more and more local support for PLA to roll in and restore order. Not neccesary because they are pro-CCP, they just want peace.

Thats why I continous to question, what is the next step here after pleading and pleading some more? Without a clear leadership it will just be total chaos and anarchy like right now. People taking advantage of the chaos to further their own personal agenda.

Madness just complete madness.
You're right that some people are feeding the propaganda machine with hatred and racism. But don't fall for that exact propaganda. The vast, vast majority are in line with the same issues from the beginning, along with the ones that have been added (police brutality, inept government, collusion with triads). There are people on the fringe who are violent, racist, idiots. Yes, the propagandists are going to focus on those people, and Mainland chinese people are only going to be fed that crap, but you should know better.

I think you're just saying that they are a problem, and I agree. But to say no mainlander should feel safe in HK right now... you are just spewing hatred and propaganda right back into it. It's not like that at all.

At the same time, the China government is adding to the racist, by constantly trying to say that there's some western influence behind this movement. Every time they bring that up, they are basically saying they think Chinese people are too inept to have an effective political movement on their own. Maybe they really think that, I dunno... If people start doing it in huge numbers in the mainland, they might learn the hard way that Chinese people will start wanting freedom too once it gets to a certain point (and if they run out of money, as people are saying here, look out)

twitchyzero

08-08-2019, 05:12 AM

the China government is adding to the racist, by constantly trying to say that there's some western influence behind this movement. Every time they bring that up, they are basically saying they think Chinese people are too inept to have an effective political movement on their own. Maybe they really think that, I dunno... If people start doing it in huge numbers in the mainland, they might learn the hard way that Chinese people will start wanting freedom too once it gets to a certain point (and if they run out of money, as people are saying here, look out)

i agree it's baseless (like how Americans try to pin their domestic problems on the Kremlin) but how is it racist?

youre reading too much into it, i think in no way does this mean the CCP is suggesting HKers are spineless..dont forget there's a trade war ongoing so they need ammo to justify things

SkinnyPupp

08-08-2019, 06:14 AM

i agree it's baseless (like how Americans try to pin their domestic problems on the Kremlin) but how is it racist?

youre reading too much into it, i think in no way does this mean the CCP is suggesting HKers are spineless..dont forget there's a trade war ongoing so they need ammo to justify things
They are basically saying the protests are too well run to be a grassroots operation by (ethnic) Chinese people. It's absolutely self-loathing and racist if you think about it for a second.

I do agree that the anti-US sentiment has been going strong for a while now, and getting worse. But to even suggest these things is just pathetic.

Mr.HappySilp

08-08-2019, 06:16 AM

https://forum.vanpeople.com/showtopic-654123.php

LOL apparently this store close door on Mon (or Tue) to show support for the protest in HK. And now all the mainland Chinese are avoiding and boycott this place. Can't really believe how thick headed these Chinese are but I will not go there more often just to show support!

Badhobz

08-08-2019, 06:35 AM

^ fuck that, i boycott that place cuz the tea sucks. Not cuz they support or dont support HK :D

SkinnyPupp

08-08-2019, 09:18 AM

I know some people here don't like hearing about the daily goings-on with this issue, but here's what happened this week.

Keith Fong, the leader of the Baptist University’s student union, was arrested on Tuesday, for "suspicious behaviour" it turned out that he was buying laser pointers in Sham Sui Po, which the police said were offensive weapons.

This of course caused outrage in the community... I know, laser pens CAN be dangerous. But so can hammers. And you can't just arrest someone for buying a laser pen or a hammer. People gathered around the SSP police department, and were tear gassed for their efforts.

https://www.hongkongfp.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/photo6219662297798912406.jpg

The laser totally became a meme online, the idea being that they are harmless toys, and the 'weak spot' of the HKPF had been found. Like I said, they can be dangerous, but the way things are, hyperbole takes over.

I think the main issue is that the police arrested the guy, but could not come up with a proper reason why. There's no way they could possibly legitimately charge him.

So they did a press conference, showing how dangerous these things could be:

https://www.hongkongfp.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/1565256118_aaeb.jpg

HKPF took the most powerful laser he bought (which had no batteries when they arrested them) and showed how deadly it could be. By pointing it at a newspaper (of course focusing on the black printing, which absorbs the heat - a trick any laser enthusiast knows about), showing it smouldering after a few minutes of focus.

This made even more of a mockery of the whole thing. HK people aren't blindly brainwashed morons. They saw through the charade, and it became an even bigger meme.

That night, some people rallied at the Space Museum in TST. There were hundreds of lasers, and it made for some amazing photography. People were shining them on each other, singing, dancing, and generally having a good time. I think this was a cathartic moment for a lot of HK protesters.

https://www.hongkongfp.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/photo6221983950960699685-Copy.jpg

https://i.redd.it/c1u5127sx7f31.jpg

And then today, Fong was released after the maximum 48 hour detention. No charges (obviously), and the HKPF comes across once again looking completely inept.

It's moments like this that I think makes Beijing extremely confused and annoyed, that they can't get away with doing things the way they do in China.... If this was in China, they would have taken one of the perceived leaders (at least someone who helps organize), arrest him on whatever charge they feel like, and make it so he never sees the light of day again.

HK still has SOME rule of law that exists. And this week we saw a good example why the people of Hong Kong fought so hard to block the extradition bill.

Mr.HappySilp

08-08-2019, 09:41 AM

^^ that's just so stupid on so many levels. Teachers in high school, college/university prof use leaser pointers during lecture ALL THE TIME. SO I guess all these teacher/professors are using a weapon as well? Should they all be arrested then? Should the sales of all leaser pointers be ban?

What about cat owners buying leaser pointers to play with their cats as well (coz cat loves to chase leasers on a wall) should the owners be arrested too coz they are buying a toy for their cats? What about science world or all these science fair, Disneyland/concerts doing leaser shows, should all these place be fine and the CEO get lock up as well?

LOL HK police is getting dumber by the day. Next thing you know they will be arresting students for buying a ruler because it can be use weapon, arresting c-lais when they purchase feather duster becasue it can be use as a wespon. What about when people purchase umbrellas? Guess those people should be arrested too.

Next thing you know you will get a arrested when you buy an onion coz the smell can gas the HK police so it can be use as a weapon of mass destruction lol.

SkinnyPupp

08-08-2019, 09:44 AM

Mr.HappySilp

08-08-2019, 09:56 AM

Yeah I know you're using hyperbole, and laser pointers CAN be dangerous, but I agree this comes across making the HKPF look so bad... Whoever is commanding them, I can't even imagine how clueless and out of touch they must be.

I am still blown away by how far they have fallen. They were actually a world-class police force in the 90's, something all countries in Asia looked up to. Now they are pretty much the laughing stock of the world, or flat out terrorists. Mindblowing

https://youtu.be/xg9Y6TkGiSA

See look how dangerous feather duster can be!!! HK should ban the sales of feather duster. I mean most of use have been beaten and whip by our parents with one of them when we were kids.

But yea pretty much anything you buy CAN be dangerous and be used as a weapon. HKPF is so stupid right now. If I was one I would not want to go out in public during my day off. I will be too embrassed.

asian_XL

08-08-2019, 04:10 PM

Did Canada just issue a travel warning going to HK?

G0rilla

08-08-2019, 04:33 PM

Wow looks like they did

https://travel.gc.ca/destinations/hong-kong

HonestTea

08-08-2019, 05:18 PM

Wow travel warning issued

jasonturbo

08-08-2019, 05:20 PM

For those who grew up outside of mainland China, it is very disappointing to see this happening after only 22 years.

For those who grew up in mainland China, it is very disappointing to see this happening only after 22 years.

StylinRed

08-08-2019, 05:40 PM

Wow looks like they did

https://travel.gc.ca/destinations/hong-kong

Only just?
My mom's been wanting to go back for several weeks now, and I'm like no, no, we'll go during the autumn fest, now I'm like no, no, how about new years

twitchyzero

08-08-2019, 05:59 PM

why would anyone wanna go to HK right now though for non-essential travel?

i lol'd at the flight deal yesterday for 300ish USD SFO to HKG nonstop

you have to pay me to visit there right now

https://i.redd.it/c1u5127sx7f31.jpg

all the modern protest reminds me of this music video, even more so now with the lasers

https://youtu.be/FJt7gNi3Nr4?t=231

welfare

08-08-2019, 07:38 PM

Like they where living the high life during apartheid.

You just keep pumping your fist from the ivory tower mommy has afforded you.
The very definition of the limousine leftist.

Mr.HappySilp

08-08-2019, 08:59 PM

Only just?
My mom's been wanting to go back for several weeks now, and I'm like no, no, we'll go during the autumn fest, now I'm like no, no, how about new years

That's what worry me. My parents are going back to HK in Sept for 2 weeks. I was a bit worry but now I am really worry. I mean they are pretty old and what if they get caught and got beat up by the white shirt thugs it got tear gas coz they happen to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. Even if they above the protests area. Just look at what happen at the MTR.

SkinnyPupp

08-08-2019, 09:58 PM

3 day protest at the airport started today

https://twitter.com/galileocheng/status/1159700482278846464

https://twitter.com/EricCheungwc/status/1159706924696211459

https://twitter.com/BeWaterHKG/status/1159711408399015937

Should be fine though, the other airport protests have been crowded, but for some reason police never seem to show up in large numbers to cause violence. This is the one place that they seem to be reluctant... (knock on wood)

Departure hall has been secured, they're only letting people with boarding passes enter even the check-in area. My wife's brother, sister, and dad are all flying out of there this weekend.. LUL Should be fine though as long as the cops don't engage, just go a bit earlier.

Peaceful sit-in, they have brochures set up, and multi-lingual people to share the word with travellers SeemsGood

Update 4 hours later: It's getting big

https://i.imgur.com/WLsnGgp.jpg

Singing Les Miserables

https://streamable.com/k32t2

SkinnyPupp

08-08-2019, 10:06 PM

That's what worry me. My parents are going back to HK in Sept for 2 weeks. I was a bit worry but now I am really worry. I mean they are pretty old and what if they get caught and got beat up by the white shirt thugs it got tear gas coz they happen to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. Even if they above the protests area. Just look at what happen at the MTR.
Keep an eye on this info (https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1p88xPcBa5_LHyFi_aTFy4BQDR5anI0Au), so you know where the protests will be. The ad hoc ones only really happen at night, when the police do something stupid (like when they stripped a girl's skirt and her panties came off, or when they arrested Keith Fong for buying laser pens)

Just avoid those areas at those times, keep an eye on the news, and it should be fine.

Manic!

08-08-2019, 10:35 PM

You just keep pumping your fist from the ivory tower mommy has afforded you.
The very definition of the limousine leftist.

You mean like your buddy fucker carlson who's step mom was air to the swanson fortune. You know the company that makes crappy food for poor people.

I hear he went on vacation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVpu6MnXBhQ

SiRV

08-09-2019, 07:10 AM

You just keep pumping your fist from the ivory tower mommy has afforded you.
The very definition of the limousine leftist.

As always, all feelings, no facts

winson604

08-09-2019, 08:43 AM

I was concerned since my parents went back a week ago staying in Mong Kok. Been checking in with them and they've said they've barely seen anything so far of concern. I believe they arrived the day before the protests were hitting that area and they reported that a large crowd of people just passed through and kept moving and nothing crazy happened.

SFU_wmc

08-09-2019, 10:48 AM

Wow looks like they did

https://travel.gc.ca/destinations/hong-kong

Does that mean travel insurance will be voided for travel to Hong Kong?

SkinnyPupp

08-09-2019, 08:35 PM

Airport protest ongoing

2 new protests today:

Another "grey hair" protest, where seniors delivered a petition in person

https://twitter.com/rhokilpatrick/status/1159998681208086528

Second, a "protect our future" protest by parents who brought their young children, showing the future they are fighting for

https://twitter.com/youngposthk/status/1160041177833283584

Great examples of this movement not just being "lazy cockroaches" as the communists put it, or people who have "no stake in society" (that is a direct quote from Carrie Lam btw)

asian_XL

08-11-2019, 07:05 AM

wah Diu, news said she got shot by the "bean" bullet and busted one of her eyeballs.

https://scontent.fhkg10-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/68469417_1279118762264555_5249919910959644672_n.jp g?_nc_cat=1&_nc_oc=AQmo4_zqcE1qz86Pf0EeuqpbbcMYaTJ2f00QX3Wnukx X85gEJrDJC0BZB5iPRw5YJG8&_nc_ht=scontent.fhkg10-1.fna&oh=bb06bbddf53ec016a2a45b48d4f343ff&oe=5DC8B0B5

Holy FUCK!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-UYTAyDx1w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtUp7liXc-s

twdm

08-11-2019, 09:50 AM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=kxyYVD4FjhQ

Fuck the CCP and their brainwashed bootlickers all around the world. If Hong Kong burns then at least it showed Taiwan and the world what happens when they give in to beijing

yray

08-11-2019, 10:03 AM

If cops pulled that shit anywhere else in the world, the cops would've been beaten up to pulp easily.

EmperorIS

08-11-2019, 11:15 AM

Really worrying that the breaking point is near.

twitchyzero

08-11-2019, 11:20 AM

a sobering perspective that reminds me VI for car modifications in Vancouver is a first world problem

bcedhk

08-11-2019, 02:43 PM

If cops pulled that shit anywhere else in the world, the cops would've been beaten up to pulp easily.

shit, even the police in russia are much more civilized in the recent protests!

I hope the journalist will offer a verbal punishment to the PPRB and government officials when they do their BS scripted interviews.

SkinnyPupp

08-11-2019, 06:04 PM

Police hit a new low yesterday

Someone needs to roll tanks here, but not China. Someone needs to rescue Hong Kong from China :considered:

StylinRed

08-11-2019, 06:15 PM

Fuck the CCP and their brainwashed bootlickers all around the world. If Hong Kong burns then at least it showed Taiwan and the world what happens when they give in to beijing

Don't u mean it'd show Taiwan what happens if you DONT give in to china? oO

SkinnyPupp

08-11-2019, 07:05 PM

Britain gave in in 1984

Badhobz

08-11-2019, 07:53 PM

nah

08-11-2019, 08:18 PM

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/britain-agrees-to-return-hong-kong-to-china

Here's the history of HK.

jackmeister

08-11-2019, 08:31 PM

If anyone watched the shootout at Taikoo MTR station, there was a UK flag (which i can understand) and a US flag (FailFish)

Sad but the scene at Kwai Fong MTR Station (smoky station, police firing shotgun, green laser, turnstiles) reminds me exactly of Battlefield 4 Operation Metro

bcedhk

08-11-2019, 09:18 PM

they were able to raise US 1 Mil in an hour today. The funds will go towards international ads to raise awareness of the Police Brutality.

HK PPRB should all just get axed... those guys have done nothing but more damage ever since the CE started the daily police briefing.

SkinnyPupp

08-11-2019, 10:37 PM

twdm

08-11-2019, 11:44 PM

yeah tahts what i friggin said. All the hongers waiving that british flag around are a bunch of idiots. Its the god damn brits who started this mess to being with. Since 97 they've washed their hands clean of this mess and therefore you guys really are on your own.

If the US couldn't beat back the chinese during the korean war, what makes you think Britain could fight back half way across the world in the 80s? It was basically give it back or we'll blow you a new asshole.

Tim Budong

08-12-2019, 01:30 AM

All flights cancelled. Those already inbound or have checked in can still leave.

Police earned all people must leave the premise by 6pm. The riot police are ready for deployment.

So how do u move a large crowd that can occupy most of terminal 1 arrival Hall onto a train network that has suspended operation...

U can't.

This is going to be the most sensitive clear out the city will have seen. There are still INBOUND FLIGHTS....

SkinnyPupp

08-12-2019, 02:01 AM

Everyone is stuck at the airport, protesters and travellers. A lot of people who otherwise would never protest the "front lines" where the police have been attacking went to the airports today, considering how peaceful they'd been so far. A lot of people took the day off work today (Monday) to go there, after the atrocities of the police last night. My friend is there with his kid and wife right now.

Buses can't move people fast enough nor can the train. People literally can't leave, despite the police giving them an ultimatum.

6pm now, we'll see how this goes. The police so far have used tear gas with reckless abandon, gassing residential areas, press, gassing indoors, literally starting fires. They seemingly don't give a shit about their own people. Will they do the same to incoming travellers?

Tim Budong

08-12-2019, 02:07 AM

people are trekkin to tung chung by foot...
this gonna be an interesting night.

the people succeeded on disrupting the airport

SkinnyPupp

08-12-2019, 02:18 AM

The government can end this tomorrow easily

Not a single request is unreasonable

Tim Budong

08-12-2019, 02:28 AM

The government can end this tomorrow easily

Not a single request is unreasonable

except the independent committee for disciplinary action against the police.
Im going to say Police morale probably at it's lowest point in years. this would destroy the force

StylinRed

08-12-2019, 02:29 AM

The people can end this easily by accepting what they were given and quit beating a dead horse

SkinnyPupp

08-12-2019, 02:38 AM

except the independent committee for disciplinary action against the police.
Im going to say Police morale probably at it's lowest point in years. this would destroy the force
There's no way that should not be considered. Wouldn't a government want their own police force to be accountable?

SkinnyPupp

08-12-2019, 02:38 AM

People walking home from the airport. I can't even

https://twitter.com/pogro711/status/1160859333841707011

Tim Budong

08-12-2019, 02:55 AM

There's no way that should not be considered. Wouldn't a government want their own police force to be accountable?

and have beijing and the CCP lose face?

doubt it

SkinnyPupp

08-12-2019, 03:44 AM

and have beijing and the CCP lose face?

doubt it
Oh that's a totally legitimate reason, what was I thinking!

SkinnyPupp

08-12-2019, 07:36 AM

I'll just say one more thing for today... Today I've noticed a lot more people having a say, or taking action in HK. Friends, family, people on IG, these people have kept their politics to themselves, until now. I think last night may have been a turning point in a way. Carrie Lam says that the protesters "have no stake in society". She is basically calling them useless jobless bums. But these people are the future of HK. And behind them stand a lot of professionals - doctors, lawyers, bankers, civil servants. EVERYONE who is not brainwashed wants the government to resolve this by answering to the reasonable demands.

It's crazy that I'm seeing people chime in who I never thought would. This really is getting bigger every week. It's not just the fringe people, it's not "students wasting their summer vacation". It's not "cockroaches" it's not people who "have no stake in society". It's everyone who isn't brainwashed or completely stupid.

BTW I saw the video of that girl who got her eyeball shot out... Do NOT go looking for it. China newspapers are saying she was attacked by a protester. I swear, the stories they come up with are so fictional, they seem more fake than The Onion.

Mr.HappySilp

08-12-2019, 08:15 AM

https://twitter.com/dakkikong/status/1160800114786443264

More people than ever are showing up at the airport, in response to last night's violence by the police. Many are wearing eye patches, in honor of the young medic who (allegedly) will lose vision in that eye when a police office shot her with a beanbag round (edit: Confirmed ruptured right eye (https://twitter.com/FreedomHKG/status/1160549820580450304))

There's been word that they've started targeting medics, so protesters don't have any support in case of injury. Countries at war don't even do this.

https://i.imgur.com/2UzDYxY.png

Target medics.... ok so if that's the case can all doctors, nurse, ER refuse service to all the police and their relatives then? I mean why should they help you if your intention is to target them and injury them?

yray

08-12-2019, 08:21 AM

If the same thing happened in china, the terminal bridges would've collapsed

https://i.imgur.com/wbyqVyx.jpg

hi-revs

08-12-2019, 01:03 PM

I haven't been following this news too much, but dont these protesters have work? Is HK pretty much shut down due to the protest? Are regular civilians safe on HK streets?

Anyone care to fill me in?
TIA

Infiniti

08-12-2019, 01:45 PM

PAP is ready to roll in if HKPF doesn't get a better grip on things.

gilly

08-12-2019, 01:56 PM

PAP is ready to roll in if HKPF doesn't get a better grip on things.

They ready. Border of HK in Shenzhen

https://twitter.com/AlexandreKrausz/status/1160947525442056193

keifun

08-12-2019, 01:59 PM

asian_XL

08-12-2019, 04:04 PM

I will be heading to HK end of this month. Sigh.

Are there any other media sources other than the local news of when/where they protests happen? or do they just spontaneously appear on the streets?

Would like to know ahead of time so I can avoid it the sooner the better.

You should be safe most of the day time. Protestors wear black and they are likely harmless. It is wise to stay home at night, if you are out there, make sure you keep your eyes or ears around, make sure no one is walking near you.

twitchyzero

08-12-2019, 05:30 PM

hkg reopened

StylinRed

08-12-2019, 09:29 PM

They ready. Border of HK in Shenzhen

https://twitter.com/AlexandreKrausz/status/1160947525442056193

https://au.news.yahoo.com/hong-kong-protests-convoy-armed-police-arrives-shenzhen-032334351.html

APCs too... China says its just a drill... So maybe, hopefully, just a scare tactic

SkinnyPupp

08-13-2019, 01:08 AM

https://au.news.yahoo.com/hong-kong-protests-convoy-armed-police-arrives-shenzhen-032334351.html

APCs too... China says its just a drill... So maybe, hopefully, just a scare tactic
Same thing happened during 2014... I actually saw some APCs myself. It was weird but I don't think it means anything necessarily.

However they have started calling HKers "terrorists" and have been dehumanizing them from the start. They are acting more and more like they'll treat HKers the same way they treat Uyghurs. Not flat out military intervention, but slowly and methodically pick them out of the population, and send them to camps to be never heard from ever again.

I think many protesters see no future for themselves in HK anyway, and are more than willing to give whatever they have to the cause, even if it's a futile effort.

StylinRed

08-13-2019, 02:34 AM

Oh they've done it before? Weird, but I guess that's a good thing

HK airport cancels flights again today

twdm

08-13-2019, 05:47 AM

UN human rights council releases statement saying Hong Kong Police using non-lethal weapons in a prohibited fashion against Hong Kong protesters. Yep still no need for independent investigation and police will still say they did nothing wrong.

https://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=24888&LangID=E

Spokesperson for the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights: Rupert Colville
Location: Geneva
Date: 13 August 2019
Subject: Hong Kong, China

The High Commissioner is concerned by the ongoing events in the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region (Hong Kong SAR) and the escalation of violence that has taken place in recent days.
The High Commissioner condemns any form of violence or destruction of property and urges everyone participating in the demonstrations to express their views in a peaceful way. She notes the Chief Executive’s commitment to “engage as widely as possible” and to “listen to the grievances of the people of Hong Kong.” She calls on the authorities and the people of Hong Kong to engage in an open and inclusive dialogue aimed at resolving all issues peacefully. This is the only sure way to achieve long-term political stability and public security by creating channels for people to participate in public affairs and decisions affecting their lives.
The rights of freedom of expression and peaceful assembly and the right to participate in public affairs are expressly recognized in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, as well as the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights which is incorporated in the Basic Law of the Hong Kong SAR.

The UN Human Rights Office has reviewed credible evidence of law enforcement officials employing less-lethal weapons in ways that are prohibited by international norms and standards. For example, officials can be seen firing tear gas canisters into crowded, enclosed areas and directly at individual protesters on multiple occasions, creating a considerable risk of death or serious injury. The Office would urge the Hong Kong SAR authorities to investigate these incidents immediately, to ensure security personnel comply with the rules of engagement, and where necessary, amend the rules of engagement for law enforcement officials in response to protests where these may not conform with international standards.

The Office urges the Hong Kong SAR authorities to act with restraint, to ensure that the right of those who are expressing their views peacefully are respected and protected, while ensuring that the response by law enforcement officials to any violence that may take place is proportionate and in conformity with international standards on the use of force, including the principles of necessity and proportionality.

Mr.HappySilp

08-13-2019, 07:43 AM

SkinnyPupp

08-13-2019, 08:02 AM

^^ well yea just all talks and nothing will be done. China will just come out and say this is their country and not outside force/nation should interfere and saying the UN should mind their own business.
It's a bit more complicated than that, considering they are a founding member of the UN. They agree to adhere to these standards, and if they don't, I imagine they could get kicked out. This is probably a big step in the international community stepping up, something the UN didn't do in 1989

I'm not expert but that's how it looks to me

yray

08-13-2019, 08:05 AM

they tied a main-lander to a luggage trolley

ROFL

https://www.reddit.com/live/133sixros7tu5

shits gonna get out of hand

SkinnyPupp

08-13-2019, 08:21 AM

If you want to know why it was a HORRIBLE tactic for the police to dress as protesters... Well here you go.

And to the morons who physically assaulted the guy... Yeah you might have just fucked over all of Hong Kong

Like I said, I think Sunday night was a turning point

inv4zn

08-13-2019, 08:32 AM

It's a bit more complicated than that, considering they are a founding member of the UN. They agree to adhere to these standards, and if they don't, I imagine they could get kicked out. This is probably a big step in the international community stepping up, something the UN didn't do in 1989

I'm not expert but that's how it looks to me

There's inherent distrust in the UN...and for good reason.

When Saudi Arabia is on your Human Rights council it kind of detracts from your authority.

Although considering how China is alllll about not losing face, maybe this will do something, I donno.

6793026

08-13-2019, 08:40 AM

I'm no expert either; when is it necessary to have an independent investigation into violations?
Serious incidents involving police officers that's for sure, of course we are aware of ICAC.
Don't all the HK police have to report and get investigated by Hong Kong Disciplined Services ?

I think to use a blanket term to say Police attempt to kill HK citizens are just way to far fetched. (811)

Did police offices use too much force at times? (regardless of which clip of youtube you watch) Hell yeah, it goes for anywhere from US to HK.
Did some of the protestors go overboard. Yup. 90% were peaceful and the last 10% remained to be on scene even when black flags were raised notifying tear gas is being deployed.

What I found interesting was tear gas in MTR. Not going to address the bullshit on "people could die cause MTR is a confined space when you deploy tear gas" blah blah blah.

How do police disperse rioters when they all run down into MTR these days? I gotta say the cops did go trigger happy esp when it came to the paintball guns.