[threezero]

Woke up today and saw almost every single one of my wechat public account posting an article on Hong Kong. None of these accounts ever reports the news (mainly shopping shit).

More recirculating of the same article on my wechat groups.

PRC is getting ready to roll in the army. At this point, they have done all their groundwork in their media and gathering support from their people.

Mainlander are on mob mode right now toward Hong Kong protestors. People cheering every injury inflicted on the protestor/non-protestors.

Honestly if Tiananmen 2.0 unfolds live, majority of the mainlander would be cheering for CCP.

Sorry to shatter hongers' dream of starting similar civil unrest in China,

[yray]

well hong kong hasn't even pulled the curfew card yet, if the hong kong police really wanted to clamp down on the riots I am pretty sure they are more than capable

[SkinnyPupp]

^^ from the reddit post people find some uniform or some T-shirt that the police use and also they try to search his name up and the China police website and his name and face was shown (the page is taken down now) so this person pretend to be the press is actually a police in China? Not sure since things got so confused.
He had the same shirt that the thugs worse in the Tsuen Wan attack (blue shirt with I love HKPD on it)

He also had an HKPD officer's namecard.

He had no press credentials, and claimed to be a tourist. But it turns out he is from Global Times, which is basically The Onion, but people think it's real in China.

[SkinnyPupp]

Woke up today and saw almost every single one of my wechat public account posting an article on Hong Kong. None of these accounts ever reports the news (mainly shopping shit).

More recirculating of the same article on my wechat groups.

PRC is getting ready to roll in the army. At this point, they have done all their groundwork in their media and gathering support from their people.

Mainlander are on mob mode right now toward Hong Kong protestors. People cheering every injury inflicted on the protestor/non-protestors.

Honestly if Tiananmen 2.0 unfolds live, majority of the mainlander would be cheering for CCP.

Sorry to shatter hongers' dream of starting similar civil unrest in China,
Not everyone in China is a brainwashed moron, don't worry

[Badhobz]

This whole thing is over, and most likely open the door for further CCP controls to ensure that something like this will not happen again. totally backfired

[Manic!]

https://pics.me.me/thumb_police-shot-my-eyer-er-tt-me-meme-iq-300-61365309.png

[threezero]

Not everyone in China is a brainwashed moron, don't worry

you are right not everyone but a good 90% is buying the narrative and these voices are the loudest and most influentials.

Just like not everyone supports the protest in Hong Kong, but the protester's voices are the loudest and most influential right now.

Unfortunately, the difference is the mainlander sentiment is actively controlled and back by one of the most powerful armies/regime in the world.

[Nlkko]

Is that the actual chick that got shot? I wouldn't show up again to get the remaining eye blinded.

[SkinnyPupp]

Is that the actual chick that got shot? I wouldn't show up again to get the remaining eye blinded.
No I think she might be from the medical professionals' rally at Tuen Mun hospital today.

https://i.imgur.com/1WsgyZI.jpg

A lot of protesters are wearing eye patches after a cop shot that girl's eyeball out

[pastarocket]

Props to the protesters! Doing whatever it takes to stop the Chinese government propaganda machine! :thumbsup:

https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/hong-kong-protests-airport-chaos-intl-hnk/index.html

Protesters detain reporter for Chinese state-run tabloid


A man who was detained by protesters and zip-tied to a luggage cart has been identified as a mainland Chinese reporter for state-run tabloid newspaper Global Times, according to the editor-in-chief of the outlet.


“Fu Guohao, reporter of GT website is being seized by demonstrators at HK airport. I affirm this man being tied in this video is the reporter himself. He has no other task except for reporting. I sincerely ask the demonstrators to release him,” Hu Xijin, editor-in-chief of Chinese and English editions of the Global Times, tweeted.

Hong Kong TV channel iCable, a CNN affiliate, reported that the man was wearing a yellow high visibility vest and that protesters were demanding to see his press ID, while shouting "gangster" at him.

According to local reports, protesters pinned him to the ground, seized his belongings and draped an "I love HK Police" T-shirt over him, as others tried to step in and stop the violence

[SkinnyPupp]

I will be heading to HK end of this month. Sigh.

Are there any other media sources other than the local news of when/where they protests happen? or do they just spontaneously appear on the streets?

Would like to know ahead of time so I can avoid it the sooner the better.
Seriously don't go

[bcedhk]

Props to the protesters! Doing whatever it takes to stop the Chinese government propaganda machine! :thumbsup:

https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/hong-kong-protests-airport-chaos-intl-hnk/index.html

Protesters detain reporter for Chinese state-run tabloid


A man who was detained by protesters and zip-tied to a luggage cart has been identified as a mainland Chinese reporter for state-run tabloid newspaper Global Times, according to the editor-in-chief of the outlet.

“Fu Guohao, reporter of GT website is being seized by demonstrators at HK airport. I affirm this man being tied in this video is the reporter himself. He has no other task except for reporting. I sincerely ask the demonstrators to release him,” Hu Xijin, editor-in-chief of Chinese and English editions of the Global Times, tweeted.

Hong Kong TV channel iCable, a CNN affiliate, reported that the man was wearing a yellow high visibility vest and that protesters were demanding to see his press ID, while shouting "gangster" at him.

According to local reports, protesters pinned him to the ground, seized his belongings and draped an "I love HK Police" T-shirt over him, as others tried to step in and stop the violence


I would say otherwise. what they did pretty much damaged the reputation of the peaceful protests that happened at the airport.

The pro-gov/china media will squeeze the most out of this situation and point more towards the violence these protestors are causing.

What they should have done is , point him out from the crowd, then just tell him to leave or leave him alone. That said, from watching the RTHK video, you can tell the crowd has a lot of "gu wak jai" aka. gangsters mixed in wanting to stir shit up.

[threezero]

Props to the protesters! Doing whatever it takes to stop the Chinese government propaganda machine! :thumbsup:

https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/hong-kong-protests-airport-chaos-intl-hnk/index.html

Protesters detain reporter for Chinese state-run tabloid


A man who was detained by protesters and zip-tied to a luggage cart has been identified as a mainland Chinese reporter for state-run tabloid newspaper Global Times, according to the editor-in-chief of the outlet.


“Fu Guohao, reporter of GT website is being seized by demonstrators at HK airport. I affirm this man being tied in this video is the reporter himself. He has no other task except for reporting. I sincerely ask the demonstrators to release him,” Hu Xijin, editor-in-chief of Chinese and English editions of the Global Times, tweeted.

Hong Kong TV channel iCable, a CNN affiliate, reported that the man was wearing a yellow high visibility vest and that protesters were demanding to see his press ID, while shouting "gangster" at him.

According to local reports, protesters pinned him to the ground, seized his belongings and draped an "I love HK Police" T-shirt over him, as others tried to step in and stop the violence

FailFish I cannot believe people thought tieing up the reporter was a good move to stop the Propanda machine.

Is this a one side battle with no consideration for enemy intelligence? Is everybody just blindly doing whatever they feel is right without even checking in on the consquence. Just because the protestor turn off their mainland news and stop reading what is going on the other side of the border, it doesn't mean the propganda has stop.

The chinese media has pick this up to spin even greater propganda now. Media and the people is egging the government to "wash hong kong with blood"


If you are trying to stop the propganda at least check to see what the result is.

Protesters: Let tie up this reporter so they can't spin more propganda.
Also protesters: If I dont read the propganda it doesn't exist therefore our tactic of stopping the propganda is working

FailFish

[Traum]

Just going to share 2 insightful stories here from a front line Caucasian reporter in Hong Kong:

From Aug 11: (https://www.facebook.com/RichScotford5/posts/1952934661474507?__tn__=H-R)

I was very close to the girl before she got shot in the face.
It was near the junction of Nathan and Austin Road, by the bus stops. The whole area was full of medics and people in bright yellow clothes, indicating they were not protesters and keeping clear of the main fray at the police gate. Pretty much all the protesters were much further south, down Nathan Rd.

About 5 minutes before she was shot, I literally saw and heard a white projectile fly past my face. This was not a CS canister as it made a swish sound, and it didn’t make any noise against the shop front like canisters do. I was dressed clearly in yellow and orange. I turned to face the back end of the police station and could just make out a darkened balcony, with about 3 figures on it. Prior to that, you wouldn’t even know there was a balcony there in the night time.

There was no doubt in my mind, they tried to headshot me and missed. There was no one else within metres of me. Definitely not any black clad protesters. I crouched down behind the wall, and behind one of the large Banyans.

About 5 minutes later, the girl was shot 15 metres from me.
There isn’t a single doubt in my mind that who ever was shooting could see they were firing at people who were clearly visible as medics or media.


From only an hour ago: (https://www.facebook.com/RichScotford5/photos/a.587605188007468/1955710911196882/?type=3&theater)


Sooooooo, the Airport turned out kinda crazy for me tonight. Had been live tweeting the discovery of the Chinese cop since it first happened.

After about an hour of him being quizzed, they tried to move him. It seemed that they would exit him via a human passageway. I was right at the front of the passageway ready to film it. It quickly became apparent that it wasn’t a passage way out but a gauntlet for a mass beating. The guy was already beaten up. Now the crowd began to punch and kick him.

Other media looked on and filmed. But I’m just not this kind of person, and I had to protect him, with my own body for nearly 40 mins.

Pretty intense.

Now...

I support escalation. I vividly understand how angry Hong Kongers are. I know I shouldn’t get actively involved. I also know that he was a Chinese cop, dressed as a protester, caught with sticks, and so had evil intentions towards HK.

But on a human level I could not stand by, or even walk away from a man being beaten to a pulp.

So yeah it was a rough ride.

The angry protesters respected what I was doing, and never intentionally hit me, not once. But, I got a few accidental knocks.

-

I’m sorry this happened.

I dunno what the outcome should’ve been. I don’t even know if my protecting him with my own body was the right thing to do.
-
This isn’t a war. It’s a revolution, we’re fighting a system, not individuals.
I think many protesters acted really badly tonight.

But, I also blame the HK police too. Their actions on Sunday, when they dressed up as protesters and then started beating and arresting people changed everything. Everyone is on a hair trigger now and riddled with paranoia and anger.

I said on Sunday, after this despicable tactic, any cop or agent provocateur caught by the protesters would be in life threatening danger. Well, I was proven right tonight, and also got a proxy beating for it. 🤣

Anyway, I’m all fine. A few scratches and bruises over my body and face.
HK is very much broken. Only the government can stop this.

In the meantime, get out and protest whenever you can. Every little will help in the long run.

Footnote:I don’t believe the people trying to hurt the cop were other cops or agent provocateurs. I believe they were really angry protesters. Why do I think this? Bcus I would’ve been beaten much more if that was the case. The protesters never deliberately hit me, no matter how much I tried to stop them.


I found the 2nd post to be esp insightful. Esp with the bolded part, while I don't believe any cop or agent provocateur caught by the protesters would be in life threatening danger, I can assure you they will get a good hard beating. From that point on, the HKSAR gov / CCP will use it as the perfect excuse to pull a hard crackdown in whatever form it may take.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Seriously don't go

Guess I should tell my parents not go in Sept then? Do you think things would have die down by then?

[SkinnyPupp]

FailFish I cannot believe people thought tieing up the reporter was a good move to stop the Propanda machine.

Is this a one side battle with no consideration for enemy intelligence? Is everybody just blindly doing whatever they feel is right without even checking in on the consquence. Just because the protestor turn off their mainland news and stop reading what is going on the other side of the border, it doesn't mean the propganda has stop.

The chinese media has pick this up to spin even greater propganda now. Media and the people is egging the government to "wash hong kong with blood"


If you are trying to stop the propganda at least check to see what the result is.

Protesters: Let tie up this reporter so they can't spin more propganda.
Also protesters: If I dont read the propganda it doesn't exist therefore our tactic of stopping the propganda is working

FailFish
That's not why they subdued him. People have been disguised as protesters and press from the beginning, attacking, identifying, and arresting them. I am NOT saying that beating him up was right BTW. His press credentials were bullshit or non existant, he identified himself as a tourist rather than press. He had the same shirt on him that the triads have been wearing. They didn't want to risk it, so they subdued him. From there, since there are no leaders, things kind of went out of control.

Anyway, it doesn't matter what kind of fuel you give the propagandists in China. They make up whatever shit they want anyway, it doesn't matter if it's 10% true or 90% true. That is irrelevant.

[SkinnyPupp]

Guess I should tell my parents not go in Sept then? Do you think things would have die down by then?
Who knows? the whole city could be up in flames by then. But if you have plans in the next few weeks I honestly think it's a bad idea to come. Airport seems fine at this moment, but only after a guy got arrested by public and beat up, a cop pulled a live gun on people to defend his life, and police have been shooting tear gas indoors at the MTR and airport, and housing estates. People have been arrested by simply walking around near the protest, including a former police officer who was detained for 48 hours while going on an evening stroll.

The way he describes it, there are no senior officers around, and it's just a bunch of junior officers not really knowing what to do. They are arguing with each other, yelling, punching and kicking holes in walls.. The police are in a state of chaos right now and can't be trusted (note I am not attaching maliciousness to that, it's just a fact)

[SFU_wmc]

this cop, good for him, could have gotten very ugly if he fired his gun, even tho yes he was rushed

https://twitter.com/Birdyword/status/1161299001414578177

I'm impressed. The public successfully saved another poor citizen from being arrested.

[StylinRed]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-49330848

Cop was cornered and beaten in the airport, he had to draw his gun, they're so lucky the cop was restrained, anywhere else there'd be bodies on the ground

https://youtu.be/HpQpwQijRzg

[dachinesedude]

where do these cops get their training from? multiple times over the past few months i've seen single cops getting mobbed, why would they put themselves in those situations?

[Traum]

where do these cops get their training from? multiple times over the past few months i've seen single cops getting mobbed, why would they put themselves in those situations?
If it isn't obvious yet, the current crop of Hong Kong front line police primarily consists of poorly educated, poorly trained, and poorly disciplined goons. I am not at all surprised that they have forgotten their trainings, and let emotions take over when they are supposed to be executing a police operation in a coordinated and disciplined manner.

[yray]

you gotta realize that they are just part time beat cops

you wonder where were the airport police with the mp5s

[Mr.HappySilp]

If it isn't obvious yet, the current crop of Hong Kong front line police primarily consists of poorly educated, poorly trained, and poorly disciplined goons. I am not at all surprised that they have forgotten their trainings, and let emotions take over when they are supposed to be executing a police operation in a coordinated and disciplined manner.

In case you haven't notice the requirements for HKPD have had their standards lowered and lowered each year because not enough people apply. I guess I would not enough people with moral applied so they have to get anyone they can.

[trollface]

^^ from the reddit post people find some uniform or some T-shirt that the police use and also they try to search his name up and the China police website and his name and face was shown (the page is taken down now) so this person pretend to be the press is actually a police in China? Not sure since things got so confused.

Is this actually confirmed? It was literally a blurry pic of an excel spreadsheet.

[trollface]

Not trolling. Just funny cause he became famous as Mr. shotgun cop.
He is an officer and because of his ranking, he was allowed to have access to a shotgun. I can't imagine what would happen if he did fire any shots.
Of course, he's clearly aiming in this, what was before or after...

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/08/03/21/16854652-7318153-image-a-56_1564863420630.jpg

Different perspective on the cop with shotgun.

https://www.facebook.com/Anti.OCLP928/videos/2322948337783738/
In this video, he was retreating.

We had a post on FB:
"OMG.. he's aiming with a real shotgun!!!!"
"What did you fucking expect? You want them to be using fake guns?"

Is it just me or does he have the wrong eye closed to aim that shotgun lol.

[trollface]

Not trolling. Just funny cause he became famous as Mr. shotgun cop.
He is an officer and because of his ranking, he was allowed to have access to a shotgun. I can't imagine what would happen if he did fire any shots.
Of course, he's clearly aiming in this, what was before or after...

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/08/03/21/16854652-7318153-image-a-56_1564863420630.jpg

Different perspective on the cop with shotgun.

https://www.facebook.com/Anti.OCLP928/videos/2322948337783738/
In this video, he was retreating.

We had a post on FB:
"OMG.. he's aiming with a real shotgun!!!!"
"What did you fucking expect? You want them to be using fake guns?"

Appears he's closing the wrong eye aiming with that bead sight.

[Infiniti]

well hong kong hasn't even pulled the curfew card yet, if the hong kong police really wanted to clamp down on the riots I am pretty sure they are more than capable

If things escalate, one of the next steps will be to shut down the MTR.

[320icar]

Is it just me or does he have the wrong eye closed to aim that shotgun lol.

No no, they’re just natural squinters

alright alright relax it was just a joke

[pastarocket]

It seems to me that Beijing is taking a page out of Russia's playbook in order to suppress resistance to the Hong Kong government by using any means of force necessary. :considered:

Perhaps the Winnie the Pooh President Xi and the commie cronies are thinking "Hey, if Russia can annex Crimea with force, we can use force to suppress the protests in Hong Kong. Taiwan can also be taken by military force to rejoin the motherland"

-take a cue from Russia?

Any thoughts on the potential in the long term for China to invade Taiwan? Would the commies risk a confrontation with the US?


Taiwan Relations Act - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_Relations_Act

The Taiwan Relations Act is an act of the United States Congress. Since the recognition of the ... In exchange, the United States abrogated its mutual defense treaty with the ... any decision to defend Taiwan will be made with the consent of Congress. ... In the late 1990s, the United States Congress passed a non-binding

[twdm]

Is this actually confirmed? It was literally a blurry pic of an excel spreadsheet.

I was watching it live. Yes it is confirmed. Basically this global times reporter, which is basically a beijing ccp mouthpiece, decides to go to the airport carrying a blue I love HK police t shirt in his backpack to do god knows what. He was found randomly taking headshot pictures of protesters and when confronted he ran. When they asked him whether he was the press, he refused to reply at first then subsequently said he was just a tourist. When they asked where he got the reflective press vest, he said it wasnt his and someone gave it to him.

So he apparently got his blue tshirt after covering the pro-police events from the past week or so. Why he decided it was a good idea to bring it into the airport while trying to take pictures of protesters, ill leave it to you to connect the dots.

[CharlesInCharge]

People cant wear blue shirts now, what is this a colour revolution?
Why yes it is... No American flags being displayed yet? If John McCain were alive he'd make an appearance and they would love him for it despite that he once bombed asians in their homes.

[asian_XL]

It's fine to wear blue, just it should not have wordings saying "I love Hong Kong" or "I love Police" It represents the side of your political view nowaday.

[Mikoyan]

Is it just me or does he have the wrong eye closed to aim that shotgun lol.

Probably squinting like people said, but he might be cross eye dominant.

I'm that way. Right handed but naturally line up sights with my left eye.

[Mikoyan]

No no, they’re just natural squinters

alright alright relax it was just a joke

https://media.tenor.com/images/d80607c8e69d21d8961ec4f1d32d4f79/tenor.gif

[BIC_BAWS]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-49330848

Cop was cornered and beaten in the airport, he had to draw his gun, they're so lucky the cop was restrained, anywhere else there'd be bodies on the ground

https://youtu.be/HpQpwQijRzgWhat this video doesn't show is this.

https://www.reddit.com/r/instantkarma/comments/cpwuig/police_officer_takes_down_woman_without_any/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Cop tries to take down a women just tryna walk away.

Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk

[SkinnyPupp]

What this video doesn't show is this.

https://www.reddit.com/r/instantkarma/comments/cpwuig/police_officer_takes_down_woman_without_any/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Cop tries to take down a women just tryna walk away.

Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk
He broke formation to go after a woman who was just standing there... Again, we're lucky he didn't kill someone. He's probably been a cop for like a year.

[StylinRed]

What this video doesn't show is this.

https://www.reddit.com/r/instantkarma/comments/cpwuig/police_officer_takes_down_woman_without_any/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Cop tries to take down a women just tryna walk away.

Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk

Yeah I saw that afterwards, but it in no way condones what happened to him
We don't know why he picked her out st random seemingly, there were people a lot closer, he could have pulled down, but he went straight for her, so there must be a reason, the crowds response was just insane, they could have killed him with those blows to his head, even with his helmet

[EvoFire]

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/3022650/more-1000-health-care-staff-stage-sit-condemn-excessive-use

TL/DR: Employees at 13 public hospitals will be conducting a strike/sit in/demonstrations during their breaks and lunch hours to condemn the HK Police violence.

[SkinnyPupp]

but he went straight for her, so there must be a reason

You haven't been paying attention, have you?

[twitchyzero]

where's Tsar Putin when you need him
time to annex HK

[StylinRed]

You haven't been paying attention, have you?

You're too biased and anti govt skinny
If he wanted to just wreak havoc hed more likely go for the closest person to him, or even shoot the guy who took his baton and began smashing his head

Unless there's something else I missed?

[SkinnyPupp]

You're too biased and anti govt skinny
If he wanted to just wreak havoc hed more likely go for the closest person to him, or even shoot the guy who took his baton and began smashing his head

Unless there's something else I missed?
Nobody is arguing against subduing and arresting people who are breaking the law. We've seen many cases of that, and as long as they are treated humanely, nobody would bat an eyelash.

The problem is all the cases of cops just going out of their way and beating the shit out of people. There are literally 5 HK cops who just went to prison for doing it. Whether she committed a crime or not, who knows. But we've seen many times already, cops breaking formation, chasing down random people (usually slow people, often innocent bystanders, often women) and just beating them, and walking away. No arrests, just gang beatings.

I'm not saying that's what this cop was doing - in fact he appeared to be showing restraint after he knocked her to the ground. My guess is he was chasing after someone else, knocked into her, and his brain went into face-saving mode, arresting her instead. He was already out of position, something a cop should never EVER do in this situation, but that's beside the point.

When the UN is calling out your police, Amnesty International is calling out your police... It does NOT mean you are "anti government" to call out the police. I am NOT anti-government. I am NOT anti-police. I am anti-violence. I am anti-tyranny. I am anti-injustice. If you want to argue on these points (people here have tried and failed) go ahead, but please don't try to call out bias where none exists. I am really disappointed when I see "fuck the police" and other dehumanizing things. The fact is, the police are out of control, or being controlled by a malicious commander. That's all I've ever said. Don't fuck the police, fuck whoever is influencing them. Don't fuck the protesters, fuck whoever is influencing them.

[ilovebacon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KQzYd_HVuM

They are really starting to fight back. Usually, they would run away when hkpd shoot beanbags at them.
I've been keeping a close eye on them. I wonder what's going to happen next.

[trd2343]

He broke formation to go after a woman who was just standing there... Again, we're lucky he didn't kill someone. He's probably been a cop for like a year.

And you wonder why you were called out for being biased? I think the best explanation I found was that he was going for the male that was flashing him with lights, right at the beginning of the video, and he may have accidentally charged into the girl. (which you have noted in a later post as a possibility)

Even if he was indeed going after her, this officer was way more gentler than the other cases we've seen (ie the lady that was actually shoved onto the street).

We're lucky he didn't kill anyone? Did you miss the part where the male had him by this throat with one hand, took his baton, and started beating him with it? Why are we lucky? Was there any indication he was absolutely one thought away from pulling that trigger? Or just because we've seen many cases of police using excessive violence, so this one must be too?

I wholly respect you for being anti-tyranny, anti-violence, and anti-racism (no discrimination towards mainlander Chinese). But even if you aren't biased, a majority of the videos or pictures you posted makes it seem like you are. A whole bunch of them are all calling out the police and the mainland government (and deservedly so), but yet you rarely post some of the stuff SOME of the protesters, vigilante, or even regular citizens are doing, or you play it down, suggest it's not the real protesters, or just make a passing comment.

The fact is, in my opinion, the police, the protesters, are influenced, controlled, lost, improperly trained, unprepared, disorganized, not thinking with their heads anymore, all these things. Maybe only a major event can bring this all to an end.

Maybe the government should've axed the bill for real (instead of play on words), or maybe the protesters should've just taken what was offered. But it looks like it's too late for that now.

I don't know if it's scare tactic, by I feel fear when I see those army trucks. For my family and friends and people living in HK, I hope I would never see the day that those trucks cross over the border into HK.

Edit:
Genuinely asking, albeit ignorant at this point. Is there anything inherently wrong about this bill? Or it’s because it’s China passing it, hence it becoming such a big deal?

[SkinnyPupp]

And you wonder why you were called out for being biased? I think the best explanation I found was that he was going for the male that was flashing him with lights, right at the beginning of the video, and he may have accidentally charged into the girl. (which you have noted in a later post as a possibility)

Even if he was indeed going after her, this officer was way more gentler than the other cases we've seen (ie the lady that was actually shoved onto the street).

We're lucky he didn't kill anyone? Did you miss the part where the male had him by this throat with one hand, took his baton, and started beating him with it? Why are we lucky? Was there any indication he was absolutely one thought away from pulling that trigger? Or just because we've seen many cases of police using excessive violence, so this one must be too?

I wholly respect you for being anti-tyranny, anti-violence, and anti-racism (no discrimination towards mainlander Chinese). But even if you aren't biased, a majority of the videos or pictures you posted makes it seem like you are. A whole bunch of them are all calling out the police and the mainland government (and deservedly so), but yet you rarely post some of the stuff SOME of the protesters, vigilante, or even regular citizens are doing, or you play it down, suggest it's not the real protesters, or just make a passing comment.

The fact is, in my opinion, the police, the protesters, are influenced, controlled, lost, improperly trained, unprepared, disorganized, not thinking with their heads anymore, all these things. Maybe only a major event can bring this all to an end.

Maybe the government should've axed the bill for real (instead of play on words), or maybe the protesters should've just taken what was offered. But it looks like it's too late for that now.

I don't know if it's scare tactic, by I feel fear when I see those army trucks. For my family and friends and people living in HK, I hope I would never see the day that those trucks cross over the border into HK.

Edit:
Genuinely asking, albeit ignorant at this point. Is there anything inherently wrong about this bill? Or it’s because it’s China passing it, hence it becoming such a big deal?
You're repeating the things I said, then say I have a bias? Looking at your post, I think you're actually agreeing with most of what I've been saying here.

But yes I think we're lucky he didn't kill anyone.. You seriously disagree with that? You think it would be fortunate if a cop got mobbed and killed someone? That officer showed amazing restraint, being mobbed (though I contend that he should not have put himself in that position) and fortunately nobody really got hurt. (I think it's possible that his gun isn't even loaded) Again I am not excusing the mob, but mobs are formed this way... People lose their minds when they've been pressured for months. Cops have been doing this for weeks on end, and the mob is coming to a breaking point. And I am pretty sure that has been the goal from the first day.

The videos I am posting are actually highly curated from the ones I come across. You want to see bias? Follow anyone who is heavily on the protester's side. You will see almost as much propaganda from them as you do from the communists. OK maybe not quite as blatant, but the bias exists, and I have been sorting through it to share the most fair stuff I can here.

Crazy protesters have been posted here, but honestly it wasn't until cops started pretending to be protesters that we started seeing molotovs and batons being used. Is it a coincidence? Probably not, but now that we don't know who is and isn't a protester or press, we can't say with certainty. We already have proof of agent-provocateur tactics being used. All we know is that every action the government has taken, has been in the direction of provocation and insults, with the goal of making people belligerent, upset, and violent. It's like something you would see in an 80's cartoon about evil overlords, except in real life. It blows my mind.

[Ludepower]

Sorry if I sound ignorant but why should I care? This is a HK issue and no other country in the world is gonna help them or speak up on their behalf.

Where were these protest in 1997 when Britain gave control back to China. 2037 is when HK officially becomes china so these changes in the laws were gonna happen eventually.

I dunno the pessimists in me says you accept your eventual fate or move to another country.

[dachinesedude]

you don't sound ignorant, you are

[Mr.HappySilp]

Sorry if I sound ignorant but why should I care? This is a HK issue and no other country in the world is gonna help them or speak up on their behalf.

Where were these protest in 1997 when Britain gave control back to China. 2037 is when HK officially becomes china so these changes in the laws were gonna happen eventually.

I dunno the pessimists in me says you accept your eventual fate or move to another country.

I can give you an example. Say you sign a 50 year mortgage for 1 million at 4% interest for that 50 years. However the bank decides after 7 years it will double your interest to 8%. You of course goes and argues with your about it. After a few weeks calling to your bank, visiting the branch office and complain on social media they agree not to raise your interest. Then 3 years they try the same thing and this time they didn't back down till you contact the local newspaper. Then 3 years later your bank try the same thing and this time they aren't backing down even if it goes on the news and you rally a group of friends and relatives to protest at the branch with news reporter. But instead of the bank backing down they got the police in and tear gas you, your friends, your relatives and the news reporter and then proceed to beat the crap out of you. Oh and don't bother going to the court coz the bank have the court bought so you will lose the case. And the contract you sign said you can't change mortgage provider.

How would you feel then? Now image that's how the people in HK feel the same way only 9000x worse.

[trd2343]

You're repeating the things I said, then say I have a bias? Looking at your post, I think you're actually agreeing with most of what I've been saying here.

But yes I think we're lucky he didn't kill anyone.. You seriously disagree with that? You think it would be fortunate if a cop got mobbed and killed someone? That officer showed amazing restraint, being mobbed (though I contend that he should not have put himself in that position) and fortunately nobody really got hurt. (I think it's possible that his gun isn't even loaded) Again I am not excusing the mob, but mobs are formed this way... People lose their minds when they've been pressured for months. Cops have been doing this for weeks on end, and the mob is coming to a breaking point. And I am pretty sure that has been the goal from the first day.

The videos I am posting are actually highly curated from the ones I come across. You want to see bias? Follow anyone who is heavily on the protester's side. You will see almost as much propaganda from them as you do from the communists. OK maybe not quite as blatant, but the bias exists, and I have been sorting through it to share the most fair stuff I can here.

Crazy protesters have been posted here, but honestly it wasn't until cops started pretending to be protesters that we started seeing molotovs and batons being used. Is it a coincidence? Probably not, but now that we don't know who is and isn't a protester or press, we can't say with certainty. We already have proof of agent-provocateur tactics being used. All we know is that every action the government has taken, has been in the direction of provocation and insults, with the goal of making people belligerent, upset, and violent. It's like something you would see in an 80's cartoon about evil overlords, except in real life. It blows my mind.

And certainly, I apologize for misunderstanding your comment. I'm definitely not great at English, but I felt I would've interpret it differently if it was "luckily, no one was killed (or injured)" because from the video, although highly unlikely, the officer could've been seriously injured or killed too.

For the record, I did reread your sentence several times to check my understanding of it. I do apologize that I misunderstood what you meant/feel.

Anyhow, I definitely agree with you that there are agent-provocateur tactics being used. Hence, I too am trying to becareful not to label those who are attacking the police or causing chaos as protesters, because, we really don't know who they are anymore. They COULD be radical protesters, or police, or thugs using all this as an excuse for violence, or even protesters who were once peaceful but have lost their patience. Right now, besides UN releasing a statement, a lot of things aren't working in the protesters favour.

Adding a bit of personal experience, my mom is just a regular homemaker. She is definitely a kind person and doesn't support violence,racism etc. Because she was born in China, she's definitely more nationalistic than my siblings and I. The point I want to make though, she only knows how to use iPad and TV for media. She turns on the TV every morning, and a lot of news coverage would portray how violent the protesters are, but not very often, or rarely, do they cover the excessive force use by the police. She doesn't know how to use the internet to go on Revscene or other places to view discussions. So how she views the protest is greatly affected by what she sees in the media. Multiple that by thousands, ten thousands households, and you realize how much the protesters are going up against in addition to the government.

[Ludepower]

I can give you an example. Say you sign a 50 year mortgage for 1 million at 4% interest for that 50 years. However the bank decides after 7 years it will double your interest to 8%. You of course goes and argues with your about it. After a few weeks calling to your bank, visiting the branch office and complain on social media they agree not to raise your interest. Then 3 years they try the same thing and this time they didn't back down till you contact the local newspaper. Then 3 years later your bank try the same thing and this time they aren't backing down even if it goes on the news and you rally a group of friends and relatives to protest at the branch with news reporter. But instead of the bank backing down they got the police in and tear gas you, your friends, your relatives and the news reporter and then proceed to beat the crap out of you. Oh and don't bother going to the court coz the bank have the court bought so you will lose the case. And the contract you sign said you can't change mortgage provider.

How would you feel then? Now image that's how the people in HK feel the same way only 9000x worse.

I would walk away from the bank and cut my loses and move to another country. Vancouver is fucking expensive...I either pay up or move somewhere cheaper.

I'm not starting an arguement. But the writing is on the wall and the eventual outcome looks bleak with no other country daring to intervene.

Not gonna stick my neck out for this and will search out a safer future for me and my family.

Ok now back to our schedule programming of daily videos of protesting that none of us can do about it.

[threezero]

And certainly, I apologize for misunderstanding your comment. I'm definitely not great at English, but I felt I would've interpret it differently if it was "luckily, no one was killed (or injured)" because from the video, although highly unlikely, the officer could've been seriously injured or killed too.

For the record, I did reread your sentence several times to check my understanding of it. I do apologize that I misunderstood what you meant/feel.

Anyhow, I definitely agree with you that there are agent-provocateur tactics being used. Hence, I too am trying to becareful not to label those who are attacking the police or causing chaos as protesters, because, we really don't know who they are anymore. They COULD be radical protesters, or police, or thugs using all this as an excuse for violence, or even protesters who were once peaceful but have lost their patience. Right now, besides UN releasing a statement, a lot of things aren't working in the protesters favour.

Adding a bit of personal experience, my mom is just a regular homemaker. She is definitely a kind person and doesn't support violence,racism etc. Because she was born in China, she's definitely more nationalistic than my siblings and I. The point I want to make though, she only knows how to use iPad and TV for media. She turns on the TV every morning, and a lot of news coverage would portray how violent the protesters are, but not very often, or rarely, do they cover the excessive force use by the police. She doesn't know how to use the internet to go on Revscene or other places to view discussions. So how she views the protest is greatly affected by what she sees in the media. Multiple that by thousands, ten thousands households, and you realize how much the protesters are going up against in addition to the government.


Hong Kong is an generally more informed society. Majoryity of the population knows how to use internet, knows different avenue of research etc.

That is why it is so hard for honger to understand why a good portion of mainlander dont support their cause or the power of propganda and how it can shape the public opioion towards social matter. While they are fighting the battle their own way, they are kind of ignoring the other side of the battlefield.

This is not unlike how some portion of the society cant understand why homeless people dont just "find a job" or why drug addict can't jsut "stop the addiction". Or vice versa.

The protest started out with hope of sparking a similiar civil unrest and upheaval in China. China has stomp out previous "riot and revolt" in virtually the same way. Changing the public opioion through media and propganda,get the public on their side and than they will legitimize their use of violence. Hong Kong protest claim to "be water" but they have kind of tunnel vision themselves. They've fail to get the mainlanders on their side and now its turn into Honger vs Mainlander.

Instead of stopping the propganda and making their only neightbor sympathical to their cause they've added fuel to the fire.

Lets not forget at the end of the day, no matter what happen Hong Kong will always be physically tied to China.

Personally I think the best course of action right now is actually to appeal directly to the Chinese government. Hold Carrie Lam, her admistration accountantble for mismanging Hong Kong. Punish her for allowing Hong kong to sink into anarchy and chaos. China can assert their sovereignty on HK, allow China to save their face at the same time defuse the situation at hand.

With a new administration, both side can restart their neogitation with a cleaner slate and a calmer state of mind. Work on rest of the demand together..


Dont think this will ever happen though. As much as people want to say this is not an Anti-china or Hong Kong seperationist movement.
It has turn into that. Fight force with force until you get supress violently. None of the request will be met and force China tighten their grip even more on Hong Kong.

[Mr.HappySilp]

I would walk away from the bank and cut my loses and move to another country. Vancouver is fucking expensive...I either pay up or move somewhere cheaper.

I'm not starting an arguement. But the writing is on the wall and the eventual outcome looks bleak with no other country daring to intervene.

Not gonna stick my neck out for this and will search out a safer future for me and my family.

Ok now back to our schedule programming of daily videos of protesting that none of us can do about it.

But these people can't get out. They can't just magically immigrant to another country coz you know other countries just don't take you open arm. You have to file an application and wait 1 to 3 years. The rich and the powerful pretty much all have/can leave anytime they like. Is the middle class/poor that get stuck.

[Hondaracer]

They should be lucky to be stuck in such a “world class city”...

Hopefully this doesn’t result in a bunch of people coming to Vancouver with the stench of this shit lingering on them. Keep that shit over there.

[nabs]

A bit of a side track, but it's what I was thinking while reading through this. If this was happening in the Middle East, how quickly will the US and other countries with vested interests get involved; maybe I haven't read enough but I wonder what other world leaders are thinking about what's going on here.

[Gallardo]

A bit of a side track, but it's what I was thinking while reading through this. If this was happening in the Middle East, how quickly will the US and other countries with vested interests get involved; maybe I haven't read enough but I wonder what other world leaders are thinking about what's going on here.

Should this be taking place in the Middle East, USA will no doubt be all over it, possibly due to the reap in benefits, oil reserves, weaponry sales, etc.

Just my thoughts of course.

Anything that has to do with China is a risky-business situation to be in. World leaders are no doubt watching the HK/China extradition war going on.

-but should anyone try to intervene, it could mean trouble and put their own country/nation in jeopardy.

Totally off-track of an example.
The Dolce-Gabbana debacle, where the founder of D&G made some distasteful and racist advertisements. The backfire and uproar in China was immediate, and DG's sales tanked in the Chinese markets.

China has the upper hand in many areas, and it gets sticky when other people try to intervene. Didn't a US navy ship get rejected for its entry into the HK/China regions recently?

[yray]

China can always kick out hong kong :troll:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41ND3U_9HgQ

[Hakkaboy]

^Holy crap, that guy is only 42??? He looks like he's at least mid 50s

[asian_XL]

smart dictator that lead singapore to success.
Hong Kong doesn't have talents like him

[Manic!]

A bit of a side track, but it's what I was thinking while reading through this. If this was happening in the Middle East, how quickly will the US and other countries with vested interests get involved; maybe I haven't read enough but I wonder what other world leaders are thinking about what's going on here.



Jews tried the same thing. We sent them back to Germany.

[SkinnyPupp]

This is why you shouldn't come to Hong Kong right now

https://streamable.com/atggh

Police are completely indiscriminate about where they fire tear gas. That includes inside MTR stations BTW. You could be walking down the street, near a gathering of protesters, and you could get hit by tear gas. Especially if you're in a poorer neighbourhood where they don't give a fuck about the local citizens.

[AzNightmare]

I can give you an example. Say you sign a 50 year mortgage for 1 million at 4% interest for that 50 years. However the bank decides after 7 years it will double your interest to 8%. You of course goes and argues with your about it. After a few weeks calling to your bank, visiting the branch office and complain on social media they agree not to raise your interest. Then 3 years they try the same thing and this time they didn't back down till you contact the local newspaper. Then 3 years later your bank try the same thing and this time they aren't backing down even if it goes on the news and you rally a group of friends and relatives to protest at the branch with news reporter. But instead of the bank backing down they got the police in and tear gas you, your friends, your relatives and the news reporter and then proceed to beat the crap out of you. Oh and don't bother going to the court coz the bank have the court bought so you will lose the case. And the contract you sign said you can't change mortgage provider.

How would you feel then? Now image that's how the people in HK feel the same way only 9000x worse.


Excuse my ignorance. I'm just here to learn and understand more.
So what is expected to happen after 2047? Is another protest going to happen?

Is the conflict right now simply because China is trying to take over HK way sooner than it should?

[SkinnyPupp]

Again just a reminder of why the public freaks out when they see a cop hovering over a civilian on the ground. This does NOT excuse their behaviour of course, but it sort of explains it. People usually rely on the police to protect them, but now it's the other way around.

https://streamable.com/3a3gs

Since UN's words of police violence and Amnesty Inernational's words of police violence don't seem to resonate as much, maybe a video will?

[SkinnyPupp]

Is the conflict right now simply because China is trying to take over HK way sooner than it should?
It's not "simply" anything, but in a large part, yes, this

[Mr.Money]

if innocent people keep getting attacked isn't that called terrorism?.

[StylinRed]

the riot police aren't there to serve and protect the rioters/protesters, they're there to disperse or apprehend them, so I don't know what's expected other than that

so what seems to be happening recently (recently mind you) aired on the news here is this

hk police: "if you don't disperse, we'll do it forcefully" while moving in

protesters: "diu lay lomo!" while attacking the police

hk police: "ok hum ga chan..."

skinnypupp: "stupid barbaric police fuck them and any idiots who don't support the protesters"


sorry couldn't resist :P

[inv4zn]

the riot police aren't there to serve and protect the rioters/protesters, they're there to disperse or apprehend them, so I don't know what's expected other than that


Police, by definition, are meant to serve and protect the citizens - which the protesters still are.

Just because someone is breaking the law, does not mean the police can do whatever the fuck they want to that person.
:rukidding:

[trd2343]

the riot police aren't there to serve and protect the rioters/protesters, they're there to disperse or apprehend them, so I don't know what's expected other than that

so what seems to be happening recently (recently mind you) aired on the news here is this

hk police: "if you don't disperse, we'll do it forcefully" while moving in

protesters: "diu lay lomo!" while attacking the police

hk police: "ok hum ga chan..."

skinnypupp: "stupid barbaric police fuck them and any idiots who don't support the protesters"


sorry couldn't resist :P

In his defence though, he really hasn't said anything about fucking the police, but just condeming them for their excessive use of force and lack of reasonable explaination for some of their actions.

Like the 2 videos he just posted, the only thing I can really make out is, a tear gas was fired at the direction of a restaurant entrance. I can't see any crowd in that particular direction, from the video.

The other video is a group of police hitting 2-3 civilian (who knows who these people actually are, protesters?imposters?thugs?) on the ground. What's clear is that they are already on the ground, and the police hit them with the baton for a good 5-10 seconds. It does look excessive, but the video starts when they are already hitting them, and there was no sound, so I can't make out what exactly led up to it.

[threezero]

the riot police aren't there to serve and protect the rioters/protesters, they're there to disperse or apprehend them, so I don't know what's expected other than that

so what seems to be happening recently (recently mind you) aired on the news here is this

hk police: "if you don't disperse, we'll do it forcefully" while moving in

protesters: "diu lay lomo!" while attacking the police

hk police: "ok hum ga chan..."

skinnypupp: "stupid barbaric police fuck them and any idiots who don't support the protesters"


sorry couldn't resist :P

Do have to keep in mind. News like to broadcast the exciting stuff. What isn't shown is the riot police tear gassing randomly empty streets. Picking pedstratian out for whatever reason.

Western news/ Non Hong Kong news also dont show much of the super cringey interview that Carrie Lam and her administration does.

While it does not justify any of the violence done by the protestor, the city is near a breaking point and the HK government is loosing control

[StylinRed]

Police, by definition, are meant to serve and protect the citizens - which the protesters still are.
no that's not what they are meant for by definition, by definition they're meant to enforce the law, prevent/stop crime, and maintain order...

to serve and protect is just a motto by some police forces in the US, and a title for a TV show. The HK police motto is to serve with pride and care


Just because someone is breaking the law, does not mean the police can do whatever the fuck they want to that person.
:rukidding:

Yes, but when in the process of apprehending someone resisting arrest? It's very lax... After all they can kill you (Ur not considered apprehended until Ur calm, and under their control)

And I will say, I'm just taking a shot at skinny for laughs, I'm not serious :lol

[Badhobz]

You know if this was the US these protestors would have been shot with real bullets when they are attacking the riot police or just the regular police. A lot more people in the states have been shot for a lot less than these guys.

[pastarocket]

Orange Julius sent out this tweet to Winnie the Pooh Xi about talking face to face with protesters. :facepalm:

I highly doubt that Xi and the protesters would have any dialogue at this turbulent time.

Donald J. Trump
✔ @realDonaldTrump



If President Xi would meet directly and personally with the protesters, there would be a happy and enlightened ending to the Hong Kong problem. I have no doubt! https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1161774305895694336 …

[whitev70r]

It happens anywhere and everywhere ... even in democratic, free speech nations like Canada (2010). And this was only 1 week of meetings, imagine 10-11 weeks of this. Not defending the violence of police ... just saying that it should not be a surprise that shit happens under tense & stressful situations. Tell me one nation/country that would still have upstanding non condemnable police conduct after 10 weeks of protests like HK. If anyone would like, I can pull up videos of Paris (2019), UK (2011), Seattle (1999) ... I think you get the idea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9vevz0A1bw

G20-related mass arrests unique in Canadian history (https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/g20-related-mass-arrests-unique-in-canadian-history/article4323163/)
In the largest mass arrests in Canadian history, police arrested roughly 900 people in G20-related incidents during the weekend.

Officers made more than 900 arrests linked to the summit in the past 10 days, Jillian Van Acker, a representative of the G20 Integrated Security Unit, said Monday. However, early on Saturday morning, police said they had arrested a total of 32 people, meaning that close to 900 were arrested during the weekend alone.

The Canadian Civil Liberties Association denounced the mass arrests, saying they were illegal and unconstitutional because police did not have reasonable grounds to believe that everyone they detained had committed a crime or was about to do so.

[EmperorIS]

So I guess its started... We're at that stage where the mass is starting to sympathize Police means of peace keeping and starting to slowly denounce the protestors.

[whitev70r]

How political protests in Hong Kong are fracturing families in Canada

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/hong-kong-protests-family-divides-1.5247690

"I can see they [the protestors] are just fearless. They help out each other and they're way younger than me, too. I'm proud of them, quite honestly," says Chan from her Burnaby home.

But it's not a consensus shared by all, especially in the Chan household. Several of her relatives, including her mother, vehemently disagree with her. Political debates often lead to confrontations and a breakdown in communication.

The divide isn't reserved for the Chans. It's fracturing the family dynamic of many Canadians residents with Hong Kong roots.

Now, Chan says she regularly argues with her relatives — especially her mother, who supports the Hong Kong government — but to no end. Both sides are entrenched in their opinions, unwilling to budge.

"When [the arguments] get to that stage of aggression, I will just stop. I just close my door," she says.

Chan recalls one time sitting around the dinner table, eating dim sum, when her grandfather passed around a form declaring support for the Hong Kong government, and instructed everyone to sign.

Chan and her cousins refused.

Sora Chan agrees the violence has gone too far on both sides. But she sees the protestors' violence as a reaction rather than a provocation.

"For me, looking at Hong Kong right now, it's more like an animal's almost being killed and struggling for its last breath," says Chan. "They just want to fight back."

Despite the division, one thing they can all agree on is the desire for a peaceful resolution to the protests.

[twitchyzero]

the stalemate will end when whoever is more desperate to terminate the daily disruptions throws in the towel

is it the HKers or the CCP?

are HKers successfully convincing Mainlanders to protest in their own cities? that hope has already vanished. otoh, this protest may have quite the impact on the taiwan elections

it's one thing for one of the busiest airports to be disrupted for a week...it's not sustainable to try and cut it off for weeks. all the business/tourism will be hurting if not already...at some point people will choose keeping their heads above the water over fighting for a pipe dream/counter eroding freedom...meanwhile the hk police/communists are likely to show more restraint to wait it out for the protesters to go past breaking point and crash

[twitchyzero]

also, lol if you think a UN complaint against police brutality means action from Western alliances

if shit absolutely hits the fan, at MOST countries like Canada will have a contingency to help some Canadian passport-holders GTFO, but they're not gonna try and leverage by retaliating through trade because we're already on the brinking of killing some industries with the existing China-Huawei shit show

[Infiniti]

Expect the number of protesters to reduce once the school year starts.

[Tim Budong]

Expect the number of protesters to reduce once the school year starts.

I feel it could be very different this time around.

[SkinnyPupp]

Yeah these people have already put their lives on the line. They see no future for themselves unless they win this fight. It's not like they're going to go "oh well guess we lost. Guess I'll go get my diploma and live how they want me to live"

However some may give up and work on emigrating to another country

Depending on how things go, many people may be eligible as refugees

[trd2343]

I notice protesters wearing surgical mask. Is there some sort of symbol behind that, or it's for functionality, which I'm curious as to what's it for.

[SkinnyPupp]

I notice protesters wearing surgical mask. Is there some sort of symbol behind that, or it's for functionality, which I'm curious as to what's it for.
Actual surgical masks would be mostly to hide identity I assume. The 3M masks and respirators are to counter tear gas

[twdm]

So I guess its started... We're at that stage where the mass is starting to sympathize Police means of peace keeping and starting to slowly denounce the protestors.

If you mean the mass as the four RS resident mainlanders...

Every political commentator in hong kong is predicting a blowout for the pro democracy in the upcoming elections. Even the pro beijing politicians are shitting their pants. My local ccp stooge mailed out advertisements to everyone living in my building that he never supported the extradition bill.

But despite all evidence to the contrary, people are obviously against the protest...FailFish

[buhdeh]

BoycottMulan trending now lol.

I thought Mulan was supposed to be a heroic and courageous character that fights against oppression. They sure cast the wrong person for that role, huh.

[jackmeister]

BoycottMulan trending now lol.

I thought Mulan was supposed to be a heroic and courageous character that fights against oppression. They sure cast the wrong person for that role, huh.

And even if the movie is garbage they will probably break records in China.

[StylinRed]

the interpretations of li ka shings words are resulting in some creative posts on twitter

[Nlkko]

Yeah these people have already put their lives on the line.

Why? 2047 is 28 years away. Inevitability.

[whitev70r]

“The best intentions can bring the worst results” “Cease the anger with love.” No violence.

“Love China, love Hong Kong, love oneself; love freedom, love empathy, love rule of law.”

Pretty good sage advice. If you don't like it, go ahead and #boycottLiKaShing if you want ... I don't think he really cares if you do.

https://www.hongkongfp.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/LKS.jpg

[threezero]

Lol good luck trying to boycott li ka shing in Hong Kong.

Dude owns almost the whole Hong Kong and Vancouver lol.

On the other hand. I love of the interpretation of his ad done by various people.


I thought this is actually quite pro-protest. There is no mention of “one china” and the second page with the chinese proverb. He is merely condemning the violence but it seems like he is supporting the cause.

[Traum]

If anyone in RS is interested, there is a planned demonstration taking place tomorrow at 4pm outside the Broadway City Hall Canada Line station:

https://www.facebook.com/cansavehk/photos/pb.101757794514892.-2207520000.1565984766./113013450055993/?type=3&theater

There are also additional activities organized by this group for tomorrow that carries into 10pm. I believe the organizer for this event is the one that has successfully organized a 800 - 1000 strong demonstration outside the Art Gallery a few weeks ago in support of Hong Kong's on-going protests.

Based on what has already happened with similar demonstrations in Melbourne and San Fran, I'd totally expect 50¢ to come and crash the party with some degree of violence.

[Traum]

Additionally, the VSSDM -- Vancouver Society In Support of Democratic Movement -- will organize a demonstration outside the Chinese embassy on Granville Street (as usual) at 2pm on Sunday. The VSSDM is the group that recurringly organize the annual June 4 protest outside the Chinese embassy.

[Badhobz]

Keep that shit in Hong Kong. Why bother bringing it here ? Especially if there's gonna be clashes between the Hongers, Taiwanese, fa lun gong, and the pro CCP mainlanders. A few hundred people here ain't going to change a damn thing and if it errupts into violence then it'll tarnish the chinese community's reputation even more in Vancouver. Aka lenon wall in SFU

[Traum]

For what it is worth, the Lenon wall at SFU continued. A mobile notice board has been set up outside the SFU Student Society office in the MB building directly in front of a suveillance camera that is already in place prior to the Lenon wall incident. There is official support from SFU for this arrangement.

[xxxrsxxx]

Some interesting stuff...

Hong Kong tycoon appears to support CCP in newspaper ad, actually supports HKers ruling themselves in hidden message

https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/cr2hgi/hong_kong_tycoon_appears_to_support_ccp_in/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

[Mr.HappySilp]

Keep that shit in Hong Kong. Why bother bringing it here ? Especially if there's gonna be clashes between the Hongers, Taiwanese, fa lun gong, and the pro CCP mainlanders. A few hundred people here ain't going to change a damn thing and if it errupts into violence then it'll tarnish the chinese community's reputation even more in Vancouver. Aka lenon wall in SFU

I hate those fa lun gong people that's in Vancouver. It just seems they like to get people to support them and if you don't they just talking to you. My wife is from China/stay in china till she is 30lish and to her she understand that the Chinese gov loves to control the media and she is also aware how the gov will slience anyone who tries to talk about it. However she does feel the protest is a bit out of hand at this stage. She knows these people are fighting for their freedom but she just doesn't want to see anyone getting injuried.

We do both agree that the Chinese gov is not going to give in and at this stage these people are most likely on the Chinese gov black list and once is this all over the Chinese gov is going to plot their revenge. It could be as simple as black listing any company who hires you or simply highjack you back to China.

[inv4zn]

We do both agree that the Chinese gov is not going to give in and at this stage these people are most likely on the Chinese gov black list and once is this all over the Chinese gov is going to plot their revenge. It could be as simple as black listing any company who hires you or simply highjack you back to China.

This type of bullshit is exactly why people are protesting.

Like, why are we (as a society) supposed to understand and accept something that is just insane "because it's China". Oh yeah, there's no point protesting because once it's over China will just do China again, and continue to do so.

It's an incredibly simple-minded conclusion to come to.

[Mr.HappySilp]

^^ Look we both(my wife and I) to see Hk people gets what they want. But when you are up against China they aren't going to back down. No international force is going to step in. China have too many countires in their pockets unless more country like US steps up and start a trade war (which one happen and that's a whole different matter).

Unless po bear steps down I don't see anything will change

[SkinnyPupp]

Some interesting stuff...

Hong Kong tycoon appears to support CCP in newspaper ad, actually supports HKers ruling themselves in hidden message

https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/cr2hgi/hong_kong_tycoon_appears_to_support_ccp_in/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
The fact that it's already banned on China's social media gives this theory some credence.

At least they believe there's a hidden message, because there's no way they'd ban it based on what it says at face value.

[threezero]

The fact that it's already banned on China's social media gives this theory some credence.

At least they believe there's a hidden message, because there's no way they'd ban it based on what it says at face value.

There is a definite hidden message. Pick out the word on the second ad is up the interpretation.

But that chinese poem, there isn't much way to interpret it given the historical context of the poem.

The fact that he accept an interview immediately and did not completely clarify and remain ambiguous just reinforce the rumor.

Beautifully done Hong Kong's king of the mountain. This is why him and his family is still king after so many years.

Objectively. He has so much to gain trying to maintain the one country two system policy. This ad was not for the Hong Kong people. It is for his business and his grip on Hong Kong

[StylinRed]

He sold all his HK businesses I thought?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-16/li-ka-shing-urges-halt-to-hong-kong-violence-in-name-of-love

[trd2343]

There is a definite hidden message. Pick out the word on the second ad is up the interpretation.

But that chinese poem, there isn't much way to interpret it given the historical context of the poem.

The fact that he accept an interview immediately and did not completely clarify and remain ambiguous just reinforce the rumor.

Beautifully done Hong Kong's king of the mountain. This is why him and his family is still king after so many years.

Objectively. He has so much to gain trying to maintain the one country two system policy. This ad was not for the Hong Kong people. It is for his business and his grip on Hong Kong

Totally agree with you. Politics aside, I think he's one of the reason why the future for youths in HK look so dire, and the wealthy gets wealthier, the poor gets poorer.

This type of bullshit is exactly why people are protesting.

Like, why are we (as a society) supposed to understand and accept something that is just insane "because it's China". Oh yeah, there's no point protesting because once it's over China will just do China again, and continue to do so.

It's an incredibly simple-minded conclusion to come to.

A simple analogy comes into mind, maybe not the best one.

Hong Kong right now is like a person diagnosed with terminal cancer, with 25 years of life to live. Do you live out your life with whatever you have, or do you spend everything you have to go through chemo in hopes of extending or even overcoming it.

[threezero]

He sold all his HK businesses I thought?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-16/li-ka-shing-urges-halt-to-hong-kong-violence-in-name-of-love

He didn't sell all of it. He is slowly backing out of the asian market. If you look at his recent investment he is actually shifting focus heavily toward Canada, his other nationality.

He is also 90 years old and semi retired. There is his two sons who still ran his business in Hong Kong. Perhaps having majority of his asset out of Hk and China finally lets him do shit like this. Maybe he wants to pave the way for sons.

My bet is economical. As a Honger heavily invest in the west, he would want the one country two system to remain as long as possible.

[SkinnyPupp]

There is a definite hidden message. Pick out the word on the second ad is up the interpretation.

But that chinese poem, there isn't much way to interpret it given the historical context of the poem.

The fact that he accept an interview immediately and did not completely clarify and remain ambiguous just reinforce the rumor.

Beautifully done Hong Kong's king of the mountain. This is why him and his family is still king after so many years.

Objectively. He has so much to gain trying to maintain the one country two system policy. This ad was not for the Hong Kong people. It is for his business and his grip on Hong Kong
Hong Kong needs all the allies they can get, and everyone will have their own motivations. I know the bankers did a big rally the other week, and I'm sure most of them don't give a fuck about human rights, they just want to make money. But whatever, HK needs people on their side.

[SkinnyPupp]

Keep that shit in Hong Kong. Why bother bringing it here ? Especially if there's gonna be clashes between the Hongers, Taiwanese, fa lun gong, and the pro CCP mainlanders. A few hundred people here ain't going to change a damn thing and if it errupts into violence then it'll tarnish the chinese community's reputation even more in Vancouver. Aka lenon wall in SFU
"Keep that shit in Germany. Why bother bringing it here?" Americans in 1940

Before you accuse me of Nazi hyperbole, China are doing the same things to the Uighurs and other political enemies that the Nazis did early on to the Jews. No gas chambers (yet) but still mass encampments, forced sterilisation, organ harvesting, etc

The battle against tyranny is a worldwide one

BTW for Canadians viewing this:

https://i.imgur.com/WjXaRyv.png

[twitchyzero]

are riot control hardware/munitions made in Canada?

[twitchyzero]

PAP now has 500+ vehicles ready to mobilize on HKG
quite a few bulldozers and water cannons

https://i1.wp.com/metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/PRI_80286516.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&zoom=1&resize=768%2C512&ssl=1

[trd2343]

"Keep that shit in Germany. Why bother bringing it here?" Americans in 1940

Before you accuse me of Nazi hyperbole, China are doing the same things to the Uighurs and other political enemies that the Nazis did early on to the Jews. No gas chambers (yet) but still mass encampments, forced sterilisation, organ harvesting, etc

The battle against tyranny is a worldwide one

BTW for Canadians viewing this:

https://i.imgur.com/WjXaRyv.png


In a battle against something like this (tyranny), is there or will there be a problem if not everyone is fighting with the same motive or intention?

I have no doubt where you stand and what you are fighting for, but you mention some bankers who participate may not care for human rights (and who knows how many of the total protesters actually care for these things as well?)

[SkinnyPupp]

In a battle against something like this (tyranny), is there or will there be a problem if not everyone is fighting with the same motive or intention?

I have no doubt where you stand and what you are fighting for, but you mention some bankers who participate may not care for human rights (and who knows how many of the total protesters actually care for these things as well?)
That was just me being a bit bitchy about bankers... I know it's an assholeish thing to do to generalize so I take it back and apologize

[SkinnyPupp]

https://twitter.com/TwoBee15/status/1162565762357194753

This is my first time seeing more footage of that cop who got ganged on at the airport... In this context, it's easy to see why the people overreacted. He was being abusive and aggressive, and people were complying. They were spraying with pepper spray AS they were complying, going back inside. He broke formation to attack the woman who was moving slowly (probably because of the pepper spray), and we all know what happened there.

The police really are out of control. They have been since the beginning though, so we can't say it's fatigue. Whoever is commanding them wants them to be violent and aggressive. Half the time they aren't even arresting anyone, and when they do arrest people, it's often bystanders who don't run away. They don't want to end the protests, they want to provoke the people.

[trd2343]

That was just me being a bit bitchy about bankers... I know it's an assholeish thing to do to generalize so I take it back and apologize

No need to apologize, I won’t expect everyone protesting will be fighting for the same greater good instead of personal agenda.

In protest like this, more people generate greater effect, but it certainly feels like it takes away from the genuiness of it when you know there will be some people who are more focused on themselves (ie the rich hoping to stay rich or even get richer).

[StylinRed]

Ah looks like the cop overreacted when she stopped and looked like she was digging thru her bag from his angle, still doesnt condone the crowd though

[twdm]

Ah looks like the cop overreacted when she stopped and looked like she was digging thru her bag from his angle, still doesnt condone the crowd though

So it's OK to threaten to push down and threaten to beat the bejeebus out of a defenseless woman who clearly looks like she was suffering from pepper spray, but it's not ok to defend her.

Of course the crowd probably overreacted, but given the kind of beatings they've probably received and seen, I really don't blame their response.

It's like blaming a dog that has been beaten repeatedly for snapping at you.

[StylinRed]

So it's OK to threaten to push down and threaten to beat the bejeebus out of a defenseless woman who clearly looks like she was suffering from pepper spray, but it's not ok to defend her.

Of course the crowd probably overreacted, but given the kind of beatings they've probably received and seen, I really don't blame their response.

It's like blaming a dog that has been beaten repeatedly for snapping at you.


you're also adding a lot of speculation into it, from the cops viewpoint (behind her) he sees one of the protesters stop, and look like they may be digging thru their bag, so as you see in the video, he says "wtf r u doing?" you also see he didn't "threaten to beat the bejeebus out of a defenceless woman" everyone, even the protester supporters, agree that this officer was well restrained

you're sounding as if you think the police and rioters/protesters are equal in what theyre allowed to do, and you clearly do not respect the fact that they are the authority figure, perhaps rightly so, but there still has to be a sense of reason in your thought process, and respect for the authority figure, else theres no room for debate, and there would be no end to the violence because everyone will be unreasonable 不講道理

[StylinRed]

looks like HK police are on a new tactic, moving in swift, and making arrests

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-asia-49381633/hong-kong-the-riot-police-are-running-in

[twitchyzero]

v-tec do you even play Battlefield 2???

http://www.asahicom.jp/ajw/articles/images/AS20190815001002_comm.jpg
https://i.cbc.ca/1.5248113.1565885134!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/original_620/shenzhen-hk-map.jpg

[twdm]

you're also adding a lot of speculation into it, from the cops viewpoint (behind her) he sees one of the protesters stop, and look like they may be digging thru their bag, so as you see in the video, he says "wtf r u doing?" you also see he didn't "threaten to beat the bejeebus out of a defenceless woman" everyone, even the protester supporters, agree that this officer was well restrained

you're sounding as if you think the police and rioters/protesters are equal in what theyre allowed to do, and you clearly do not respect the fact that they are the authority figure, perhaps rightly so, but there still has to be a sense of reason in your thought process, and respect for the authority figure, else theres no room for debate, and there would be no end to the violence because everyone will be unreasonable 不講道理

Why do you think there is no respect for the police? As someone who is supposed to uphold the law, you are held to higher standards than everyone else. It's the same kind of outrage you would see if you found that a doctor drug-raped his patient.

Except in this case, the police are literally assraping the citizens repeatedly with no remorse and zero accountability. When you need to demand respect from others, then you don't deserve it.

[SkinnyPupp]

No tear gas tonight!

Sunday will be a big protest, maybe the biggest since June 16. God I hope the cops remain peaceful tomorrow.

[6793026]

I find it funny when people (Trump) are asking for Xi Jinping to talk to HK protesters ahaahahhahah. Is this a fucking joke?

China has 1.38 billion people, HK is 7.3 Million, Shenzhen has 12 M, Shanghai has 26+. WHY THE FUCK do you think a leader of CHINA would fucking talk to protesters in HK.

When was the last time your CEO went and talked to people at picket lines (maybe only if there was a union representative, and that's even wishful thinking)? They have their own company to run, let alone, there are no specific leaders to even sit down with.

People really need to think before they speak.

[Manic!]

I find it funny when people (Trump) are asking for Xi Jinping to talk to HK protesters ahaahahhahah. Is this a fucking joke?

China has 1.38 billion people, HK is 7.3 Million, Shenzhen has 12 M, Shanghai has 26+. WHY THE FUCK do you think a leader of CHINA would fucking talk to protesters in HK.

When was the last time your CEO went and talked to people at picket lines (maybe only if there was a union representative, and that's even wishful thinking)? They have their own company to run, let alone, there are no specific leaders to even sit down with.

People really need to think before they speak.


Are you serious? FailFish

[threezero]

Hong Kong needs all the allies they can get, and everyone will have their own motivations. I know the bankers did a big rally the other week, and I'm sure most of them don't give a fuck about human rights, they just want to make money. But whatever, HK needs people on their side.

I think best and most effective allies Honger can have on their side is the Mainlanders.

If this protest is really about the 5 demands and not about separating Hong Kong from China. Honger should really work on changing their image and the movement's image for mainlander into something they can related to. After all we are all chinese? just like Shanghainese, Beijinger they all have their own identify but together everybody is still Chinese. If this is really about a movement against the government NOT a movement against mainlander then really there should be more focus into not alienating your biggest neighbour and your fellow Chinese.

Before everybody starts flaming with the mainlander is brainwash they can't be convince, they buy everything the government say about Hongers. As much as CCP use propaganda, mainlander does not need propaganda to not like hongers.

Decades of discrimination from honger as the superior Chinese (and now some claiming they are not even Chinese), with the protester waving American and union jack flag. It make it really easy to not support your cause.

Mainlander are not blindly brainwash like everybody thinks. While they enjoy what CCP bring to them, they criticize the government all the time for shit they dont agree with. Criticize the government for not living up to their promise is something Mainlander can related to.

Calling Hong Kong not part of China, Calling Mainlander backward brainwash and dividing the Chinese as a whole. That is something no mainlander will ever be able to related to. In the beginning there was some sympathy from Mainlander, that is all gone with the mob mentality against them from the Honger. Start with healing this divide.

Stop asking the west and for other prominent figure head for help. If this is indeed a grassroots movement like everybody say, than reach out to to the people. Reach out to brother and sister on the other side. This is a civil matter with issue and consequence far beyond any international countries can comprehend or ever care about.

Stop singling out mainlander. Stop saying you are not Chinese. Fight hate with love and recognize the discrimination that you've put yourself into. Honger play a big part in why Mainlander have no love for them.

Instead of singing the American anthem, protestors should sing the Chinese anthem,
The Chinese anthem is all about oppress people standing up to tyranny.

I hope I dont see some jackasses waving the union flag or the USA flag on the protest tomorrow. As much as I want the Honger to win and for this to come to a peaceful resolution, that shit infuriates me as a Chinese.

[Badhobz]

^Yup. I've said it before they aren't going to get any popular support back home because the very platform they are advocating is incredibly foreign to the rest of the other 1.4 billion Chinese under the CCP. Plus all this hatred and fear of mainlanders has isolated them even more. China biding it's time and not sending in troops is a brilliant strategy. The once peaceful protests against a single legislation has devolved into anarchy and half hearted goals of democracy all the while the city suffers. Now a lot of people are crying for order to be restored and it gives the CCP the perfect excuse to use force.

[twdm]

Instead of singing the American anthem, protestors should sing the Chinese anthem,
The Chinese anthem is all about oppress people standing up to tyranny.

Lol yes. China is about oppressing people who stand up to tyranny. :lol

The fact is appealing to the mainland chinese is a lost cause. Theyre never going to support anything the government doesn't support due to lifelong brainwashing. Look at the simpletons around the world toeing the party line like mindless zealots. I would rather appeal to people who have a conscience. If all fails, at least the mainland chinese around the world will feel the effects of their government's actions.

The sentiment amongst a lot of the younger hongers is if we burn, you'll burn with us.

[threezero]

Lol yes. China is about oppressing people who stand up to tyranny. :lol

The fact is appealing to the mainland chinese is a lost cause. Theyre never going to support anything the government doesn't support due to lifelong brainwashing. Look at the simpletons around the world toeing the party line like mindless zealots. I would rather appeal to people who have a conscience. If all fails, at least the mainland chinese around the world will feel the effects of their government's actions.

The sentiment amongst a lot of the younger hongers is if we burn, you'll burn with us.


Attitude like this is why mainlander doesn't support it. No matter how many times people tell you mainlander are not as brainwash as you think, that they are capable of reasonable discussion if you would only try to see things from their side (did you not learn this in school?). You will still consider them simpletons and mindless people with no conscience, and did you call them zombies? Great so discrimination is ok when it is toward a portion of society you don't understand? Is this the great democratic freedom y'all are fighting for?

I said the Chinese anthem not china. Or do you even know what the anthem is or its lyrics? Do you know how powerful of a tool it would be if you understand the very thing you are fighting against? Singing the Chinese national anthem and using the actual words inside the lyric as slogan for the protest would really mind fuck everybody that just think Hong Kong protest is full of teenager who can barely speak or write Chinese.

Chinese anthem is actually a mockery of actual political situation in china and is not in anyway applicable to current mainland situation. I don't think you know that or even bother to check.

[SkinnyPupp]

I think best and most effective allies Honger can have on their side is the Mainlanders.

If this protest is really about the 5 demands and not about separating Hong Kong from China. Honger should really work on changing their image and the movement's image for mainlander into something they can related to. After all we are all chinese? just like Shanghainese, Beijinger they all have their own identify but together everybody is still Chinese. If this is really about a movement against the government NOT a movement against mainlander then really there should be more focus into not alienating your biggest neighbour and your fellow Chinese.

Before everybody starts flaming with the mainlander is brainwash they can't be convince, they buy everything the government say about Hongers. As much as CCP use propaganda, mainlander does not need propaganda to not like hongers.

Decades of discrimination from honger as the superior Chinese (and now some claiming they are not even Chinese), with the protester waving American and union jack flag. It make it really easy to not support your cause.

Mainlander are not blindly brainwash like everybody thinks. While they enjoy what CCP bring to them, they criticize the government all the time for shit they dont agree with. Criticize the government for not living up to their promise is something Mainlander can related to.

Calling Hong Kong not part of China, Calling Mainlander backward brainwash and dividing the Chinese as a whole. That is something no mainlander will ever be able to related to. In the beginning there was some sympathy from Mainlander, that is all gone with the mob mentality against them from the Honger. Start with healing this divide.

Stop asking the west and for other prominent figure head for help. If this is indeed a grassroots movement like everybody say, than reach out to to the people. Reach out to brother and sister on the other side. This is a civil matter with issue and consequence far beyond any international countries can comprehend or ever care about.

Stop singling out mainlander. Stop saying you are not Chinese. Fight hate with love and recognize the discrimination that you've put yourself into. Honger play a big part in why Mainlander have no love for them.

Instead of singing the American anthem, protestors should sing the Chinese anthem,
The Chinese anthem is all about oppress people standing up to tyranny.

I hope I dont see some jackasses waving the union flag or the USA flag on the protest tomorrow. As much as I want the Honger to win and for this to come to a peaceful resolution, that shit infuriates me as a Chinese.
Sorry but you're giving the typical mainlander way too much credit. Even people who I used to consider smart are just blabbing the same propaganda BS.

I don't want to insult groups as whole, and I don't mean any harm in this term, but it sure seems like people ARE "brainwashed". IMO they pretty much HAVE to be, or their country would collapse. It wouldn't work without brainwashing - people would not accept the direction their country is going.

And BTW many protesters have been doing what you're saying, in the TST protests around the train station. Chanting in Mandarin, I don't know if they're singing the anthem though.

And the flags are used as bastions of democracy, not saying "these countries are better than yours". They're saying "we should look up to the way these countries are run" (notwithstanding the many obvious issues they have of course). They're saying "UK let us down" and I think a lot of people wish they'd given citizens the right to switch to UK citizenship personally when HK was handed to the PRC. They're saying China made promises to UK, USA (and many other countries) that they are not keeping. Etc. There are some interviews with the flag wavers out there. They're not nationalists.

[SkinnyPupp]

https://twitter.com/AshleyBurr_/status/1162862793806102528

Did anyone go today?

Got to love it when people on opposite sides of political protests work together on a chant LUL

[threezero]

Sorry but you're giving the typical mainlander way too much credit. Even people who I used to consider smart are just blabbing the same propaganda BS.

I don't want to insult groups as whole, and I don't mean any harm in this term, but it sure seems like people ARE "brainwashed". IMO they pretty much HAVE to be, or their country would collapse. It wouldn't work without brainwashing - people would not accept the direction their country is going.

And BTW many protesters have been doing what you're saying, in the TST protests around the train station. Chanting in Mandarin, I don't know if they're singing the anthem though.

And the flags are used as bastions of democracy, not saying "these countries are better than yours". They're saying "we should look up to the way these countries are run" (notwithstanding the many obvious issues they have of course). They're saying "UK let us down" and I think a lot of people wish they'd given citizens the right to switch to UK citizenship personally when HK was handed to the PRC. They're saying China made promises to UK, USA (and many other countries) that they are not keeping. Etc. There are some interviews with the flag wavers out there. They're not nationalists.


Sorry for loosing sympathy for a movement that claims to be for human right but really it is human right for people that agrees with you.

Are mainlander not humans? From your and other's honger's sentiment they are consider sub-human, not worthy of understanding.

You know I am supportive of the cause right? I'm just not supportive of the us vs them mentality that is going on.

We the Hong Kong people in alliance with the fine folks of the west want to bestow the gift of democracy to the backward barbaric mainlander is what the whole movement is looking like from the other side.

Instead of trying to the other side and healing the difference. You and other are still trying to incite discrimination and divide. Recognize that bias that exist within. Just because a small portion of the protestor is using Mandarin doesn't mean that the protest as a whole is accommodating to mainlander

I mean your post started off with a rant about your perception of mainlander still being brainwash despite actual mainlander trying to voice their view.
Ends with oh but we are not really against mainlander, look at these protestor using your native language. I can learn to speak your barbaric language but you are still a barbaric.

[SkinnyPupp]

Sorry for loosing sympathy for a cause that claims to be for human right but really it is human right for people that agrees with you.

Are mainlander not humans? From your and other's honger's sentiment they are consider sub-human, not worthy of understanding.

You know I am supportive of the cause right? I'm just not supportive of the us vs them mentality that is going on.

We the Hong Kong people in alliance with the fine folks of the west want to bestow the gift of democracy to the backward barbaric mainlander is what the whole movement is looking like from the other side.

Instead of trying to the other side and healing the difference. You and other are still trying to incite discrimination and divide. Recognize that bias that exist within. Just because a small portion of the protestor is using Mandarin doesn't mean that the protest as a whole is accommodating to mainlander

I mean your post started off with a rant about your perception of mainlander still being brainwash despite actually mainlander trying to voice their view.
Ends with oh but we are not really against mainlander, look at these protestor using your native language. I can learn to speak your barbaric language but you are still a barbaric.
I'm sorry that you're determined to interpret things that way

[welfare]

^Yup. I've said it before they aren't going to get any popular support back home because the very platform they are advocating is incredibly foreign to the rest of the other 1.4 billion Chinese under the CCP. Plus all this hatred and fear of mainlanders has isolated them even more. China biding it's time and not sending in troops is a brilliant strategy. The once peaceful protests against a single legislation has devolved into anarchy and half hearted goals of democracy all the while the city suffers. Now a lot of people are crying for order to be restored and it gives the CCP the perfect excuse to use force.

"If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float by"

[Badhobz]

Sun Tzu is bad ass ��

[welfare]

Sun Tzu is bad ass ��

Figured you might appreciate that

[ilovebacon]

That's a lot of people at Broadway and Cambie.

https://globalnews.ca/news/5779842/vancouver-hong-kong-protests/

[nsx042003]

this isn't a protest for the right reasons anymore. who the fuck protests with masks and helmets on? are you expecting a brawl?

People need to realize the police have rights to do what they do, and why instigate even further? if protestors really care about the well being of their fellow protestors, why challenge and try to start shit by occupying places that are going to cripple the whole of HK? Fuck right off already.

Yeah try this shit anywhere in the world, you think cops will just stand there and watch, especially when you have front line protestors wearing helmets, facemasks and goggles?

[threezero]

this isn't a protest for the right reasons anymore. who the fuck protests with masks and helmets on? are you expecting a brawl?

People need to realize the police have rights to do what they do, and why instigate even further? if protestors really care about the well being of their fellow protestors, why challenge and try to start shit by occupying places that are going to cripple the whole of HK? Fuck right off already.

Yeah try this shit anywhere in the world, you think cops will just stand there and watch, especially when you have front line protestors wearing helmets, facemasks and goggles?

People wore mask and helmet because the police does crack down with force in Hong Kong. It is a mean of protection. And frankly they are expecting a ran in with the police force. They are also trying to stay anonymous for fear of persecution by CCP.

The thing about being anonymous is some people take that as a get out of jail free card and abuse it.

Crippling the city was a way of getting attention. There is no point of protesting in the forest where there nobody watching you.

[twdm]

this isn't a protest for the right reasons anymore. who the fuck protests with masks and helmets on? are you expecting a brawl?

People need to realize the police have rights to do what they do, and why instigate even further? if protestors really care about the well being of their fellow protestors, why challenge and try to start shit by occupying places that are going to cripple the whole of HK? Fuck right off already.

Yeah try this shit anywhere in the world, you think cops will just stand there and watch, especially when you have front line protestors wearing helmets, facemasks and goggles?

Police have rights to do certain things, but they have gone beyond those rights. They have clear written guidelines which they have completely ignored.

As you are someone who obviously have no experience with the Hong Kong political system, let me tell you that the Hong Kong government doesn't give a shit about what you think until you threaten their economic lifeline.

So I always laugh when you have mainlanders half way across the world spewing their propaganda bullshit. Just look at the global news link. "Canadian" citizens waving the chinese flag in foreign countries trying to tell people "the truth" when they have never been there. Armchair experts in Hong Kong affairs with news from weibo and wechat.

[SkinnyPupp]

https://i.imgur.com/WbqOTrT.jpg

[twdm]

We the Hong Kong people in alliance with the fine folks of the west want to bestow the gift of democracy to the backward barbaric mainlander is what the whole movement is looking like from the other side.
I think you got it all wrong. Hong Kong people don't give a shit about what happens in mainland china. They just want mainland china to stop fucking with them.

[Razor Ramon HG]

https://i.redd.it/sirjk48u53h31.jpg

[asian_XL]

https://i.imgur.com/WbqOTrT.jpg

if they love china so much, they need to get the fuck back to China.

[StylinRed]

theyre holding a HK flag too
yeah what Asian_xl said, all hongers n mainlanders should just go back to china


and skinny, you ever see that comedy bit/meme where people who start a sentence with "I don't mean to be offensive/racist, but..." ?

[SkinnyPupp]

theyre holding a HK flag too

The reason they are holding a HK flag is because they see it as a colony that is acting out against their owners. They only see the "one country" part, but not the "two systems" part. They've been taking the latter out of the vernacular little by little for years.

and skinny, you ever see that comedy bit/meme where people who start a sentence with "I don't mean to be offensive/racist, but..." ?
No but I know what's coming when I make a claim that millions of people are being "brainwashed". As much as I don't like to say it, I don't know how else to put it.

I mean how else can you put it? You think people consider the positives and negatives of living under tyranny, and go "yeah, this is better than the alternative"? Somehow I doubt that. They literally aren't allowed to see the other side of the debate. They can literally be banned from travelling for disagreeing too strongly. They can be put into internment camps for speaking out against their leaders. How else do you put that without sounding like a setup to a joke? I'm at a loss...

[SkinnyPupp]

Just got this SMS from "HKPolice", never seen anything like this before. Wife got it too, seeing if anyone else did

https://i.imgur.com/2fEgggz.jpg

[Razor Ramon HG]

I'm guessing it's the police sending out alerts so people don't get caught by accident.

https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/component/k2/1475080-20190816.htm?spTabChangeable=0

On side note, this was Granville/Robson earlier tonight.

https://streamable.com/i7khs

[StylinRed]

Guess tonight would've been good to go to nightmarket, prolly not too busy

[bobbinka]

So... these people, in democratic Canada, where they have freedom of speech, are counter protesting against those in (or supporting) HK that are protesting for their freedom/rights/future, which these people never had in the land they came from?

[StylinRed]

The reason they are holding a HK flag is because they see it as a colony that is acting out against their owners. They only see the "one country" part, but not the "two systems" part. They've been taking the latter out of the vernacular little by little for years. well you know that's probably a good thing for both sides to do, the sooner both sides feel as one, the easier the transition, because that's what's going to happen in the end, but that's something both sides need to work better at.

No but I know what's coming when I make a claim that millions of people are being "brainwashed". As much as I don't like to say it, I don't know how else to put it.

I mean how else can you put it? You think people consider the positives and negatives of living under tyranny, and go "yeah, this is better than the alternative"? Somehow I doubt that. They literally aren't allowed to see the other side of the debate. They can literally be banned from travelling for disagreeing too strongly. They can be put into internment camps for speaking out against their leaders. How else do you put that without sounding like a setup to a joke? I'm at a loss...

Some are probably ignorant, some aren't, but they keep quiet, some don't care, some profit from it so they're all for it, and then there are those who do speak out and protest inside too

It's just like anywhere else in the world, even the US (in terms of reactions from the citizenry)

[Tim Budong]

Just got this SMS from "HKPolice", never seen anything like this before. Wife got it too, seeing if anyone else did

https://i.imgur.com/2fEgggz.jpg

yea i got that too
everyone did

[buhdeh]

So... these people, in democratic Canada, where they have freedom of speech, are counter protesting against those in (or supporting) HK that are protesting for their freedom/rights/future, which these people never had in the land they came from?

Nice seeing idiots take advantage of rights they’d never have at home to deny a group of people their own freedoms.

Sounds about right for people who log onto VPNs so they can defend China in Instagram comments.

[SkinnyPupp]

https://i.imgur.com/ehdO2qY.jpg

As predicted, today's march was the biggest since 616 (edit: 1.7 million). Police only issued a letter for Victoria park, but so many people came that it spilled into the streets, pretty much like the first two big protests. So that didn't stop them from coming.

China was doing military drills openly in Shenzen, attacking people dressed up as protesters and spreading footage on social media. That didn't stop them from coming.

It was pouring rain the entire day, amber warning. That didn't stop them from coming (actually it was quite cool today which was a nice break. It's been insanely hot in the last week)

This march was interesting, because aside from in front of the China Liason building, there were no police presence whatsoever. And wouldn't you know it, there was no violence either. Imagine that. Protesters are ignoring that area, so riot police are just standing around. (it's 9:30pm right now, let's hope it stays this way)

The intended statement was that a few crazy moments at the airport do not represent what most people believe in, and Hong Kong people can "be like water" while still demanding the five completely reasonable requests that any legitimate government would consider.

Pretty proud of these people SeemsGood

On a personal note, I was in TST tonight and wow, it was like a ghost town compared to usual. Nobody around, especially tourists. They really have somehow stopped a vast majority of mainland tourists from coming down. I'm sure it's killing that part of the economy. Which some say would be great as we can go back to stores and services serving locals rather than the same luxury stores and cosmetic stores everywhere.

[buhdeh]

As if you needed more proof of how out of touch and idiotic these mainlander counter-protests are - here are some pictures from Toronto:

https://i.imgur.com/JbuXLkE.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/3pDTAqH.jpg

Nice to see people using their freedom to protest to only try to take things away from others.

[320icar]

So... these people, in democratic Canada, where they have freedom of speech, are counter protesting against those in (or supporting) HK that are protesting for their freedom/rights/future, which these people never had in the land they came from?

https://pics.me.me/you-stop-explaining-yourself-when-you-realize-people-only-understand-29392365.png

[Badhobz]

Nice seeing idiots take advantage of rights they’d never have at home to deny a group of people their own freedoms.

Sounds about right for people who log onto VPNs so they can defend China in Instagram comments.

Oh please, you can criticize all you want back home about Hong Kong. These Ferrari Lambo guys can do the same in China and they won't stop you. Chinese nationalism is supported by the party. Seperatism isn't.

[Badhobz]

As if you needed more proof of how out of touch and idiotic these mainlander counter-protests are - here are some pictures from Toronto:

https://i.imgur.com/JbuXLkE.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/3pDTAqH.jpg

Nice to see people using their freedom to protest to only try to take things away from others.

You don't understand. The whole point of showing up with these nice cars and luxury items is to show what the CCP has done for the chinese people. Take it back to the 80s and most of these guys wouldn't even be on bicycles.
The CCP has brought 1.4 billion peoples out onto the global stage as a world power. After hundreds of years of being dominated by foreign powers, China is risen on its own feet and many of us are proud of that. The protestors seem to forget that when they look in the mirror it's a Chinese face that is reflected back and instead of inciting further division, you should make peace with the family and come back into the fold.

[twdm]

You don't understand. The whole point of showing up with these nice cars and luxury items is to show what the CCP has done for the chinese people. Take it back to the 80s and most of these guys wouldn't even be on bicycles.
The CCP has brought 1.4 billion peoples out onto the global stage as a world power. After hundreds of years of being dominated by foreign powers, China is risen on its own feet and many of us are proud of that. The protestors seem to forget that when they look in the mirror it's a Chinese face that is reflected back and instead of inciting further division, you should make peace with the family and come back into the fold.
You mean introduce rampant corruption and concentrate wealth in the corrupt and connected? Do you know how many blowjobs I could get on the mainland for the equivalent of $20 cad.

[westopher]

You don't understand. The whole point of showing up with these nice cars and luxury items is to show what the CCP has done for the chinese people. Take it back to the 80s and most of these guys wouldn't even be on bicycles.
The CCP has brought 1.4 billion peoples out onto the global stage as a world power. After hundreds of years of being dominated by foreign powers, China is risen on its own feet and many of us are proud of that. The protestors seem to forget that when they look in the mirror it's a Chinese face that is reflected back and instead of inciting further division, you should make peace with the family and come back into the fold.
Yes, the best way to win the support of the common people is to show them what the Chinese government has done for their top 0.001%

[Badhobz]

Please, the middle class is growing in China and actually thriving. Its not just the super wealthy that are buying properties, traveling, and going abroad. The CCP already had the support of the common Chinese. Its a shit load better than the old Chinese imperial system or the failed Republic guomingdang.

I can find you a blow job for 20 bucks in downtown east side too.

[welfare]

I thought China lifted the masses out of poverty by introducing some western economic concepts (capitalism). Like Vietnam. And Most other countries who'd remained hardline communist (and poor).
Or am i wrong about?

[westopher]

Please, the middle class is growing in China and actually thriving. Its not just the super wealthy that are buying properties, traveling, and going abroad.

I can find you a blow job for 20 bucks in downtown east side too.
Travelling and buying property =/= owning 500k supercars.
Thats like me going to a trans mountain pipeline protest and fucking coal rolling and being surprised that I didn't get people to understand my perspective.

[Badhobz]

These guys rolling in their super cars don't give a shit what the Canadians think, it's just to support the Chinese government. What you think if they rolled up in a bunch of corollas all of a sudden Canadians would be like yeah! I can really get behind this cause because they are poor like the rest of us. Give me a break.

[westopher]

Do you understand what protests are for? It’s to gather in a large group to show support, and to use it that gathering to gain support for a cause and beliefs.

[Badhobz]

Seriously ? You actually believe that any of the local protests here will affect what's happening half way around the world. You, as a Canadian, are you gonna go charging into Hong Kong and take up their cause? Or are you just going to go about your day like everyone else and at most send your thoughts and prayers. If the 3 million protestors in Hong Kong ain't going to change the CCP mind, the 1 to 2 hundred people here surely ain't going to do shit.

[Mr.HappySilp]

You don't understand. The whole point of showing up with these nice cars and luxury items is to show what the CCP has done for the chinese people. Take it back to the 80s and most of these guys wouldn't even be on bicycles.
The CCP has brought 1.4 billion peoples out onto the global stage as a world power. After hundreds of years of being dominated by foreign powers, China is risen on its own feet and many of us are proud of that. The protestors seem to forget that when they look in the mirror it's a Chinese face that is reflected back and instead of inciting further division, you should make peace with the family and come back into the fold.

Yes with daddy's and mommy's corrupt money. I been to China almost every year and I can you tell not much have change. Go back and have a look. Outside of the 1st and 2nd tier city not much have change. Those 3rd 4th 5th tier still look like shit. Corruption is over the roof and the only reason some of these middle class got better is because of it. The average joe is still hardly getting by.
https://youtu.be/q1QBjpUuflY
I really encourage you to travel back to China and visit some 3rd tier city. I got a cousin who is a Chinese doctor there with certificate and everything and she makes barely over 3k RMB a month. If you have your means to buy/relation to work in Beijing your wage goes by 10x. She wouldn't be able to afford to rent her own if her dad didn't have his business which he is paying her money every month to support her.

[StylinRed]

The thing is HK police and the gov't, don't want China coming in, they're just stuck in the middle, trying to settle the public down, and appease the gov't.

I think after the airport debacle the police and protesters realize that China is going to roll in if they keep this shit up

So the police are on a new tactic (as previously posted) and the protesters came out and apologized, and are taking things peacefully this weekend too

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-49380531 HK police saying no to china

[320icar]

Please, the middle class is growing in China and actually thriving. Its not just the super wealthy that are buying properties, traveling, and going abroad. The CCP already had the support of the common Chinese. Its a shit load better than the old Chinese imperial system or the failed Republic guomingdang.

I can find you a blow job for 20 bucks in downtown east side too.

Yes, the rest of the world has clearly seen mainland tourists and do nothing but complain lol

[Nlkko]

Please, the middle class is growing in China and actually thriving. Its not just the super wealthy that are buying properties, traveling, and going abroad. The CCP already had the support of the common Chinese. Its a shit load better than the old Chinese imperial system or the failed Republic guomingdang.

I can find you a blow job for 20 bucks in downtown east side too.

You gotta be in China present days to understand this.

Politics aside, CCP has done a phenomenal job with the country. They went from a bunch of broke ass rice paddy farmers in the 80s to the top economy in the world, surpassing the US. Their population in general are very well off. Low labor production has been steadily moving out of China to countries like Vietnam, etc.

Corruption is a given with any systems involved power and control. Capitalist countries like US has corruption too. You talking about wealth gap like Western countries don't have it.

People like to shit on China and its one party system but one of the benefits of the one party system is that they can afford long long term planning and not having to switch agenda and deal with internal bickering.

Seriously, do a 2 week visit Chinese cities. It will blow your mind. They are so far advanced compared to many Western countries. Their methods sometimes might or might not be up to Western people's taste but there is ZERO question about their accomplishments in moving the countries forward. They have 1.3 billion people and most of them rally behind the party not for reason of fear or propaganda like you'd think. Educated Chinese don't support all of the party's policies but they are ok with most of it because they understand the benefits.

[Hondaracer]

One of the main reasons they appear to be "advanced" is the complete and utter lack of control of theft of global IP

they are a more advanced cold war Russia, let other countries innovate and then build a cheap knock off and revise until it works.

[spoon.ek9]

I haven't said anything in this thread up until now but have been reading and keeping up with the news and social media posts.

Let me start by saying that I am a CBC who appreciates our Chinese culture. One side of the family is HK, the other is China. Having been born and raised in Canada I have grown up with Western culture, manners, and rights. Now, don't get me wrong, this doesn't make me better than anyone here; whether you're HK or mainland born and raised. This issue at hand is not about superiority but rather, a difference in opinion regarding rights and freedoms. Where you are born isn't what shapes your morals and values. One thing people need to remember and realize is that opinion doesn't change law. You don't get to ignore law simply because you disagree with it. This is exactly what the Chinese gov't has been doing in regards to 1 country, 2 systems.

I was at the protest yesterday and there were quite a few things to observe. The level of hatred is probably at an all time high. I don't particularly want to go into the details of that as it is pretty well known among our own people as to why it exists. What I really want to say is this: It is extremely ironic to see communist mainland supporters protesting in a democratic society. Why? Because by protesting against democracy, they are actually demonstrating something that is allowed under this system. Much like that previous comment where mainlanders are logging into VPNs in order to make defensive comments on Instagram. Irony.

I really want the supporters of communism to picture yesterday's events as being in China. Would you see such open, loud and aggressive opposition against the Chinese gov't inside China? and without any consequence? Absolutely not. The irony is that you are using a democratic society's rights and freedoms to oppose something that actually affords you those exact same rights and freedoms.

So how do you get people to actually understand and acknowledge that? Obviously there are smart enough individuals in China who fully understand the problem with having such a system in control of their country. But what happens when someone speaks up there? kidnapped, detained, never seen again. Does this happen in Canada? No. Does this happen in other democratic societies? No! You can't keep turning a blind eye to the absolute trampling of human rights there. And if you are, that just means you value your own profit more than the importance of your own people. If you question this last statement, ask yourself which is more important to you? money or human rights.

Another topic that is used as a rebuttal is corruption within democracy. Yes, it exists and no, the system isn't perfect. But the rights and freedoms part is pretty damn important. We can speak our minds and have different opinions without the threat of death or lifetime imprisonment. Both systems have corruption but only one system values human rights.

By now, this whole situation has devolved into such a shit show (on both sides). Threezero and I are friends IRL and I agree that it would be beneficial to the cause to try and mend the relationship between HK and mainland. Will it actually happen? Don't know unless you try I suppose. Do the people in HK actually care to do so? Probably not but again, who knows. Let's not forget how many situations there were where HK supported the mainland in their times of crisis. Has SARS already been forgotten? There is still love for each other deep down. Right now it's been blanketed by all the hate built up over the past few decades.

Observations at yesterday's protest:

1. VPD did an excellent job keeping the peace and giving shit to people (on both sides) for stepping out of line
2. Sides were very cleared separated but you still had the occasional mainland kids pushing their way through the HK side waving their Chinese flags (clearly trying to instigate something). They were talked to by VPD for their actions.
3. Some of the guys on the HK side were pretty quick to swear at anyone supporting China and one officer said "You're just giving them what they want. The problem starts with you". This is true.
4. One passerby walking along broadway (mainland supporter) claimed HK people were yelling things at him so he yelled back. VPD told him to keep moving and instead he walked right up to a HK supporter and chest bumped him looking to start a fight. VPD officer quickly came in to separate the two and gave them both shit.
5. There were actually quite a few smart and funny chants going around
6. For the most part, things were kept pretty civil. Both sides are angry but no actual violence from what I saw. Some reporters claimed at it's peak there were easily more than 2000 people in attendance.



So how does this all end? I don't know... but hopefully it's a peaceful resolution.

[twitchyzero]

The CCP already had the support of the common Chinese. Its a shit load better than the old Chinese imperial system or the failed Republic guomingdang.


just because something is better than another system doesn't mean it's not fucked up

good riddance to the Imperial China, but I'm not sure cultural revolution was the only solution


People like to shit on China and its one party system but one of the benefits of the one party system is that they can afford long long term planning and not having to switch agenda and deal with internal bickering.

Seriously, do a 2 week visit Chinese cities. It will blow your mind. They are so far advanced compared to many Western countries. Their methods sometimes might or might not be up to Western people's taste but there is ZERO question about their accomplishments in moving the countries forward.

and places like Japan and Korea achieved advancements far beyond the West without population cleansing and heavy oppression

are you sure there's no internal struggle within the CCP?


I really encourage you to travel back to China and visit some 3rd tier city.

there's poverty/neglect in almost every society. have you not walked down parts of Hastings?

So... these people, in democratic Canada, where they have freedom of speech, are counter protesting against those in (or supporting) HK that are protesting for their freedom/rights/future, which these people never had in the land they came from?

you answered your own question

as long as these pro-Beijing aren't ripping down the Lennon Wall/getting violent, i dont' see a problem

the exotic car parade, c'mon don't fall for it, it's clear they're just trying to see how many people will get triggered

[bobbinka]

oh, it may have had a question mark, but it definitely was not a question if you read between the lines.

[Alpine]

Keep in mind that although CCP is corrupt is fuck, so is everyone else. Don't forget that countries like Canada & USA were/are just as corrupt but they didn't undergo their development and progression during the era of the internet & social media. You cannot attack the CCP without acknowledging how corrupt everyone else is.

[Qmx323]

So, those driving through Granville today....

At the old embassy/whatever house that the Falun Gong Protesters used to be at.

They had China supporters on one side, and HK supporters on the other.

Police were there, it looked like they were just assembling.

Those who want to watch a show should go check it out

[GS8]

This would be a great time for Gululu to come back and spread more of his dynastic wisdom...

:badpokerface:

[threezero]

just because something is better than another system doesn't mean it's not fucked up

good riddance to the Imperial China, but I'm not sure cultural revolution was the only solution


Just want to correct this misconception.

Cultural Revoluion lead by Mao nearly killed the fledgling China. It created a scary us vs them mentality that tore the whole country apart. Nobody in China today thought that was a good idea. Those that have live through it have horrible stories to tell and never wish that on the country again.

DengXiaoPing's policy took China to its prosperity today. He was able to implement capitalism only after Mao died. His "CCP style capitalism" is still the official model and direction for the current CCP party.

Deng himself was punish for disagreeing with Mao and saw first hand how dissent and mob mentality torn the country apart during cultural revolution. This heavily influence how he response to Tiananmen in 1989. His policies were working, China was turning itself around, he was afraid Tiananmen protest will put china backing to the state it was during the cultural revolution. So he handle it the way he did.

Mao never saw pass the paddy fields.

Deng saw china of today more than 50 years ago.


Not arguing whether historical event is right or wrong. But It is a common misconception for the west to portray cultural revolution on the same context as the Tianamen massacre. It is not.

Cultural revolution was one the worse chapter in China's history. Ironically Tianamen square happen because the government was trying to prevent a cultural revolution 2.0

[asian_XL]

You don't understand. The whole point of showing up with these nice cars and luxury items is to show what the CCP has done for the chinese people. Take it back to the 80s and most of these guys wouldn't even be on bicycles.
The CCP has brought 1.4 billion peoples out onto the global stage as a world power. After hundreds of years of being dominated by foreign powers, China is risen on its own feet and many of us are proud of that. The protestors seem to forget that when they look in the mirror it's a Chinese face that is reflected back and instead of inciting further division, you should make peace with the family and come back into the fold.

FailFish

I feel shame saying I am Chinese now.

[Badhobz]

Yeah you and the rest of the protestors in Hong Kong. Too bad you cannot see all the important things we've achieved in the last 30 years.

[threezero]

Yeah you and the rest of the protestors in Hong Kong. Too bad you cannot see all the important things we've achieved in the last 30 years.

This mentality is toxic too within the mainlander community. Just because CCP did good for the general population doesn't mean they are without fault, and it doesn't mean the population as a whole shouldn't aspire to something even greater.

Flashing your wealth in front of the public will draw nothing but hate. People get it the Chinese are not paddy farmer anymore. China is still developing but there is not reason not to re examine what could be better.

[SkinnyPupp]

Also, as much as things have improved for mainland people in the last 20 years, it's been going the other way for Hong Kong people in the same time (and it's directly related). Something to keep in mind

[spoon.ek9]

forgot to add, yesterday a mainland supporter held up a hand written sign that read "How much American pad you?" FailFish

[Badhobz]

This mentality is toxic too within the mainlander community. Just because CCP did good for the general population doesn't mean they are without fault, and it doesn't mean the population as a whole shouldn't aspire to something even greater.

Flashing your wealth in front of the public will draw nothing but hate. People get it the Chinese are not paddy farmer anymore. China is still developing but there is not reason not to re examine what could be better.

nobody says they are without fault. I dont think a single mainlander can say that with a straight face. Most of us have had some family member or know of some family member who's been through the bullshit of the cultural revolution and the maoist regime.

As for as flashing your wealth, that is a very Chinese thing to do. That's not even a mainlander thing okay, that's a general Chinese thing. The highest amount of Ferrari owners per city is in Hong Kong, followed up by Singapore and then London. This is about as ingrained in our culture as filial piety.

https://i0.wp.com/i43.photobucket.com/albums/e398/Interactchina/Interact%20China%20Blog/KF22.jpg

we were flashing our shit and showing off for centuries okay.

[threezero]

nobody says they are without fault. I dont think a single mainlander can say that with a straight face. Most of us have had some family member or know of some family member who's been through the bullshit of the cultural revolution and the maoist regime.

As for as flashing your wealth, that is a very Chinese thing to do. That's not even a mainlander thing okay, that's a general Chinese thing. The highest amount of Ferrari owners per city is in Hong Kong, followed up by Singapore and then London. This is about as ingrained in our culture as filial piety.

https://i0.wp.com/i43.photobucket.com/albums/e398/Interactchina/Interact%20China%20Blog/KF22.jpg

we were flashing our shit and showing off for centuries okay.


And the white people use to own slaves as a mean to flash wealth. Continue a bad tradition because it is a tradition is easy. Example how this action affect other's perception and the bigger picture is harder.

Dont reach for the lowest hanging fruit.

[Badhobz]

forgot to add, yesterday a mainland supporter held up a hand written sign that read "How much American pad you?" FailFish

engrish isnt our strong suit
http://www.funnysigns.net/files/dork-biscuit-stick.jpg

[Badhobz]

And the white people use to own slaves as a mean to flash wealth. Continue a bad tradition because it is a tradition is easy. Example how this action affect other's perception and the bigger picture is harder.

Dont reach for the lowest hanging fruit.

yeah but that's not really their fault. I mean if we gave all Canadians 50 million dollars, a good 60-75% would go out and spend it on the exact same stuff as these newly rich Chinese people. Just because they have money doesnt mean they need to hide it for the sake of other less fortunate people. If you made it, you made it. It might be ostentatious as fuck to the rest of us, but they just see it as proceeds of their status and wealth. To the wealthy, a ferrari is just a car just like we see a corolla. Is it right? meh.. i dont really have a problem with it. Its a bit tone-deaf, but it's for sure not the same thing as owning slaves.

[Tapioca]

The CCP has brought 1.4 billion peoples out onto the global stage as a world power. After hundreds of years of being dominated by foreign powers, China is risen on its own feet and many of us are proud of that. The protestors seem to forget that when they look in the mirror it's a Chinese face that is reflected back and instead of inciting further division, you should make peace with the family and come back into the fold.

.

[spoon.ek9]

engrish isnt our strong suit
http://www.funnysigns.net/files/dork-biscuit-stick.jpg

do you honestly think the issue with that quote is the english...?

[bobbinka]

While the CCP may have done good for some of the population and improved things over X years... let's just remind everybody here that the people who are speaking up are the ones who have benefited from the CCP (either directly or indirectly through family members and business). But this is not all Chinese people, far from it.

It is unlikely we will hear from the ones who never benefited and have suffered or are suffering from it, because they are either censored, in re-education camps, or can never afford to leave the country.

It's a little hard to take anything that's said seriously when they are all trying to move their money out of the country (which is quite telling, really), are judged by social standings, and being watched/heard by cameras everywhere.

Yea, let's go talk to the kids who live by themselves and have to hike through mountains/forests to get to school or their parents who have to work in factories far away without seeing their kids for months at a time, hear what they have to say?

The protestors seem to forget that when they look in the mirror it's a Chinese face that is reflected back and instead of inciting further division, you should make peace with the family and come back into the fold.

Being Chinese and looking Chinese in the mirror has nothing to do with whether one should accept the CCP. If you genuinely think that, you have some serious questions to ask yourself.

What does it mean to make peace with the family and come back into the fold? Are you sure you're not the one who is outside the fold of what it should mean to be Chinese?

[Badhobz]

Being Chinese and looking Chinese in the mirror has nothing to do with whether one should accept the CCP. If you genuinely think that, you have some serious questions to ask yourself.

What does it mean to make peace with the family and come back into the fold? Are you sure you're not the one who is outside the fold of what it should mean to be Chinese?

So if you dont accept the CCP what do you purpose? outright civil war? you want a repeat of the taiping rebellion? or how about the nationalists vs the communist war that destroyed thousands of Chinese households? I honestly want to know what the end goal is and how the protestors want to achieve said goals. Demonstrating and protesting aint going to do jack shit vs this government especially when they hold all the cards. The only way to get rid of the CCP is to mobilize the entire country and for that to happen things have to get really bad for the majority of the people.

I dont support the CCP, i support China. I support 3000 years of Chinese history and our culture. I dont care who's in charge of the country as long as they represent the will of our people. If China decides that tomorrow it'll be democratic, ill support whatever ruling party gets voted in.

[SkinnyPupp]

So if you dont accept the CCP what do you purpose? outright civil war? you want a repeat of the taiping rebellion? or how about the nationalists vs the communist war that destroyed thousands of Chinese households? I honestly want to know what the end goal is and how the protestors want to achieve said goals. Demonstrating and protesting aint going to do jack shit vs this government especially when they hold all the cards. The only way to get rid of the CCP is to mobilize the entire country and for that to happen things have to get really bad for the majority of the people.

I dont support the CCP, i support China. I support 3000 years of Chinese history and our culture. I dont care who's in charge of the country as long as they represent the will of our people. If China decides that tomorrow it'll be democratic, ill support whatever ruling party gets voted in.
Man these pro mainland people really have no sense of irony, do they

[Traum]

Just going to chime in on what I have observed over this weekend, and filling in additional details on what has not been said here yet.

In the lead up to Saturday's demonstration out the Broadway - City Hall station, pictures started floating around on social media that showed the pro-China side discussing what they can do to disrupt the Saturday demonstration. Stuff I saw included suggestions of bringing knives, putting rocks/boulders in a backpack and use it as a weapon, with the most infuirating one being a picture of a handgun (and it did not look like it was a mere stock photo). Some suggested that the post originally came from Weibo. I have no idea where it originated from, but it doesn't take a genius to see that stuff like this has clearly crossed the line -- you do not credibly and descriptively joke about stabbing someone with a knife, clubbing them with rocks, or shooting them with guns.

The Saturday demonstrations orginally included a 4pm - ??? pm portion at the Canada Line station, and then again with a different activity in Downtown (on Granville & Robson). Organizers for the Saturday demonstration were informed by the police -- reportedly at 5pm on Saturday -- that there are threats of violence, including the potential for knive attacks. As a result, the Saturday organizers cancelled the evening demonstration plans. The pro-China side still showed up for their counter protest, and Razor Ramon HG has already included a video clip of it earlier in the thread.

Across Canada this weekend, there are similar demonstrations to support Hong Kong. Unfortunately, all of them have been met with counter protests from pro-China supporters.

In Halifax, the pro-Hong Kong demonstrations saw some 200+ pro-China people clashing with the pro-Hong Kong group.
In Toronto, an estimated 500+ pro-China people surrounded the pro-Hong Kong group.
In Winnipeg, an estimated 300+ pro-China people surrounded the pro-Hong Kong group.
In Calgary, ~100 pro-China people came to counter protest the pro-Hong Kong group.
In Montreal, the pro-Hong Kong demonstrators were supposed to join the Montreal Pride Parade to voice their support for Hong Kong. Much like what has happened here in Vancouver, the SPVM (Montreal police) notified the Montreal Pride organizers that there is a threat of potential disturbance from aggressive Chinese nationalists towards the pro-Hong Kong demonstrators. As a result of this, Montreal Pride removed the pro-Hong Kong demonstrators from the parade.

I mention all of the above because this is happening right here on our home turf and across Canada. The fact that it is happening absolutely disgusts me.

[Tim Budong]

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3023369/canadian-police-escort-worshippers-bullying-pro-china-protesters

this is just not right.

FYI Skinny, we can vote in the next Canadian election with a mail in ballot

[trd2343]

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3023369/canadian-police-escort-worshippers-bullying-pro-china-protesters

this is just not right.

FYI Skinny, we can vote in the next Canadian election with a mail in ballot

I can see how this whole thing is looking more like HK vs China more than HK (or people in HK) against the China government.

“We were praying for human rights in Hong Kong. For freedom and democracy in Hong Kong,” Chiu said.


I certainly don't think this one person represents everyone views, but if you're going to pray, pray for both Hong Kong and China. People in HK deserves human rights, people in China do so too.

[Traum]

“We were praying for human rights in Hong Kong. For freedom and democracy in Hong Kong,” Chiu said.


I certainly don't think this one person represents everyone views, but if you're going to pray, pray for both Hong Kong and China. People in HK deserves human rights, people in China do so too.
I am not understanding why anyone must also pray for China if they pray for Hong Kong. By that logic, wouldn't the same person also need to pray for human rights for every single country in the world because everyone in the world deserves to enjoy basic human rights?

Things of course do not work that way in the world. People care for others differently depending on the level of closeness they feel towards them. The fact and reality is a large portion of people in Hong Kong, or people that associate with Hong Kong, do not particularly care for China, to put it mildly.

[welfare]

And the white people use to own slaves as a mean to flash wealth...

Now now.
Let's not bring the gwai lo into this OpieOP

[trd2343]

I am not understanding why anyone must also pray for China if they pray for Hong Kong. By that logic, wouldn't the same person also need to pray for human rights for every single country in the world because everyone in the world deserves to enjoy basic human rights!

Things of course do not work that way in the world. People care for others differently depending on the level of closeness they feel towards them. The fact and reality is a large portion of people in Hong Kong, or people that associate with Hong Kong, do not particularly care for China, to put it mildly.

You’re absolutely right. However, China and HK relationship is far more (and complicated) than “just” neighbouring cities/countries. I won’t expect Germany to pray for France problems (not saying they won’t or don’t) or Cambodia for Vietnam.

I mean our hearts get heavy and we send thoughts and prayers (jokes aside) when hear shooting going on at our neighbour down south.

But if that’s the case, it is really putting it mildly that HK do not particularly care for China.


Edit:
Everyone also has their own right to pray for whatever they want (hey that’s why we live here right?)
I’m just pointing out what I think plays into the narrative HK vs China even more.

[asian_XL]

Yeah you and the rest of the protestors in Hong Kong. Too bad you cannot see all the important things we've achieved in the last 30 years.

Too bad you also cannot see all the important things Honger have achieved 30 years before China started building up. Yes, it was with the help of UK. It was the communists who ruined it all in the past 20 years. Good job.

[Badhobz]

What did you achieve ? Did you bring over a billion people out from collectivization farming and backwards social/economical standards to a global super power? Did you create a space program for our people and put our own astronaut in space or land on the far side of the moon? How about the fact that we can all hold our heads higher because we aren't dirt poor anymore and people can actually purchase luxury items.

You guys hate mainlanders because we come and buy your products? Did they rob those products or actually pay for it with their own money? I'm sure the shopkeeps aren't complaining about getting paid.

[Badhobz]

do you honestly think the issue with that quote is the english...?

I don't believe it myself but who knows in this day and age. Look at all the dirty shit the CIA has been involved in the past. Bay of pigs in Cuba, the Iranian Revolution, United fruit company in Guatemala.

Sounds just like CCP propaganda to me. But that isn't even close to the crux of the issue. Most of the mainlanders don't understand protestors demands for freedom and therefore will never back the cause. All the while the city and its citizens suffers and we have these pointless protests/counter protests in our own backyard.

[Ferra]

I can see how this whole thing is looking more like HK vs China more than HK (or people in HK) against the China government.
I always find it amazing how the Chinese Communist Party is so ingrained in the culture, you cannot be anti-CCP without being consider anti-China.


e.g. If someone say they hate Trudeau and the Liberal party, no one would assume they hate Canada. Even someone who say they hate Putin, Maduro (single party state), people wont' assume they hate russia, venezuela ,etc

[Mr.HappySilp]

What did you achieve ? Did you bring over a billion people out from collectivization farming and backwards social/economical standards to a global super power? Did you create a space program for our people and put our own astronaut in space or land on the far side of the moon? How about the fact that we can all hold our heads higher because we aren't dirt poor anymore and people can actually purchase luxury items.

You guys hate mainlanders because we come and buy your products? Did they rob those products or actually pay for it with their own money? I'm sure the shopkeeps aren't complaining about getting paid.

I like tho know how they achieve that? Is it by stealing IP from other company and then building a cheaper version of it using cheap labour and polluting its own rivers and and lake with deadly chemicals and without doing spending any money or R&D? Or is it achieve by serving deadly milk powders so a few selective rich can get even richer? Or using expiry vaccine on purpose so people can reap in the cash for themselves. The Chinese gov grip is so tight on its citizen it even regulate when natural gas will be delivery to you and when it stops. So you can even pay for it if you want coz you might want to warm your house sooner.

Oh and also if Chinese really love their own country how come they don't buy local brands? Instead they seek out foreign brands IE LV, Gucci, tiffany, burberry, Coach, Canada Goose? Also shouldn't they use Chinese brand for their cosmetic as well? What cell phones maybe they should switch from their iPhones to huawei and xiaomi. As far as I understand these so call "Chinese" only wants to act like they care about China but look closely they aren't even using any product made by a Chinese company because they know it not safe, quality isn't good, it break down easily. I have a relative in China who used to work for the Chinese gov till he retires and his replies in using a Ford instead of using some Chinese brand for his car "Chinese branded car is dangerous to drive in and they always break down. Most important only the poor drives them." Yet he is the first to criticize other foreign countries.

If these people really love China then start supporting Chinese brand and you are going to see 9/10 of them are just all talks. My wife is a Chinese born and raise in Beijing and the way she see this is that if you support China then start using stuff from Chinese company and not just all talk but no action taken.

[punkwax]

What did you achieve ? Did you bring over a billion people out from collectivization farming and backwards social/economical standards to a global super power? Did you create a space program for our people and put our own astronaut in space or land on the far side of the moon? How about the fact that we can all hold our heads higher because we aren't dirt poor anymore and people can actually purchase luxury items.

You guys hate mainlanders because we come and buy your products? Did they rob those products or actually pay for it with their own money? I'm sure the shopkeeps aren't complaining about getting paid.

I don’t want to get too involved here but can’t help but notice that each time you praise what China has done recently, you point straight to the money.

I think that’s the problem. China is so focused on cash they treat their citizens and quite frankly, the Earth, like shit. The greed and posturing is ridiculous IMO.

But hey, enjoy those luxury items. I’m sure they’ll provide real internal happiness.

[Ludepower]

Can someone explain why theres a pro-china counter protest in a democratic country like canada?

I understand why canadian HK are protesting but why the fuck do canadian mainlanders care to come out and counter protest.

Like congratulation you made it here...relax and enjoy. Your living the canadian dream living here in a beautiful clean democratic country. Forget about your communist country and let others protest their freedom.

Theres lots of neutral non chinese people who are quickly seeing these hypocrites pro chinese for who they are. I'm down to goto these protest to publically shame them on social media.

[Mr.HappySilp]

^^ Because they see the protest on China state media and though the people in HK wants to seperate from China. Oh and to flex their ferraris which they purchased with daddy's and mommy's money.

[buhdeh]

You don't understand. The whole point of showing up with these nice cars and luxury items is to show what the CCP has done for the chinese people. Take it back to the 80s and most of these guys wouldn't even be on bicycles.
The CCP has brought 1.4 billion peoples out onto the global stage as a world power. After hundreds of years of being dominated by foreign powers, China is risen on its own feet and many of us are proud of that. The protestors seem to forget that when they look in the mirror it's a Chinese face that is reflected back and instead of inciting further division, you should make peace with the family and come back into the fold.

You are right. The CCP is pretty generous letting these protestors hide and move all their assets to foreign countries and giving thousands of Chinese families the means to have their children escape China.

[welfare]

I don’t want to get too involved here but can’t help but notice that each time you praise what China has done recently, you point straight to the money.

I think that’s the problem. China is so focused on cash they treat their citizens and quite frankly, the Earth, like shit. The greed and posturing is ridiculous IMO.

But hey, enjoy those luxury items. I’m sure they’ll provide real internal happiness.
It's easy to criticize the "greed" of a country that size who just a few short decades ago saw 90% of its population living in severe poverty.
With such a drastic reduction in poverty of that level in such a short period, what would you expect?

Can someone explain why theres a pro-china counter protest in a democratic country like canada?

I understand why canadian HK are protesting but why the fuck do canadian mainlanders care to come out and counter protest.

Like congratulation you made it here...relax and enjoy. Your living the canadian dream living here in a beautiful clean democratic country. Forget about your communist country and let others protest their freedom.

Theres lots of neutral non chinese people who are quickly seeing these hypocrites pro chinese for who they are. I'm down to goto these protest to publically shame them on social media.

Because this is current year Canada. Where we promote the culture of the individual even when it contradicts the values of the host culture. Ie, multiculturalism.

[StylinRed]

I like tho know how they achieve that? Is it by stealing IP from other company and then building a cheaper version of it using cheap labour and polluting its own rivers and and lake with deadly chemicals and without doing spending any money or R&D? Or is it achieve by serving deadly milk powders so a few selective rich can get even richer? Or using expiry vaccine on purpose so people can reap in the cash for themselves. The Chinese gov grip is so tight on its citizen it even regulate when natural gas will be delivery to you and when it stops. So you can even pay for it if you want coz you might want to warm your house sooner. while I understand what you're saying and getting at, on the flip side though China is #2 in the world for R&D spending, and the trajectory of China's investment into r&d is going to eclipse the US in a number of years

Oh and also if Chinese really love their own country how come they don't buy local brands? Instead they seek out foreign brands IE LV, Gucci, tiffany, burberry, Coach, Canada Goose? Also shouldn't they use Chinese brand for their cosmetic as well? What cell phones maybe they should switch from their iPhones to huawei and xiaomi. As far as I understand these so call "Chinese" only wants to act like they care about China but look closely they aren't even using any product made by a Chinese company because they know it not safe, quality isn't good, it break down easily.

If these people really love China then start supporting Chinese brand and you are going to see 9/10 of them are just all talks. My wife is a Chinese born and raise in Beijing and the way she see this is that if you support China then start using stuff from Chinese company and not just all talk but no action taken.

again, while I get what you're saying, you do realize that low and mid lvl markets are dominated by Chinese brands right? its understandable that the high end market is still dominated by brands outside of china, simply because of the giant head start, the history, the brand power, that the market outside of china brings...

[Mr.HappySilp]

^^ I guess I am trying to say is that if these Chinese love their country so much they should be buying from Chinese company instead of using iPhones etc etc etc. I have no issue using a xiaomi cell phone. Is cheap is decent and does what I want.

Actions speak louder than words.

[Badhobz]

Uhh they are buying Chinese products. Huawei and Xiaomi has a good hold of the chinese cell markets and even though you buy apple you are still supporting China as they are made in China and therefore pays into the system. Hell almost everything is made in China and therefore most items regardless of origin funds the CCP.

[6793026]

I been to China almost every year and I can you tell not much have change.
China's pretty damn big, and at different pockets, there are some huge investments resulting in (gov't / private) economical spurts. I consider these fast changes where sometimes faster than any countries I've seen in the past 10 years.

The whole point of showing up with these nice cars and luxury items is to show what the CCP has done for the chinese people. Take it back to the 80s and most of these guys wouldn't even be on bicycles.
The CCP has brought 1.4 billion peoples out onto the global stage as a world power.

You mean introduce rampant corruption and concentrate wealth in the corrupt and connected?

These two quotes go hand in hand. China has grown super fast in the last 20 years, and yet lacked the social education to accommodate the ethical aspect of things.

For once, I'm proud of HK this weekend as there wasn't huge disruption of tear gases and riots. Super thankful. Thank you for the Van police for making peace at the skytrain (sat) & China embassy (sunday).

Only funny thing I saw was signs "no secession".. errr wtf how did that come about?

https://images.thestar.com/cYoMfgVOYtaSAm9JZMPcIUBvjiM=/1086x724/smart/filters:cb(1566132652764)/https://www.thestar.com/content/dam/thestar/vancouver/2019/08/17/clash-takes-over-vancouver-street-corner-as-hong-kong-democracy-protests-go-global/hongkong.jpg

[Badhobz]

^^ Because they see the protest on China state media and though the people in HK wants to seperate from China. Oh and to flex their ferraris which they purchased with daddy's and mommy's money.

I can afford one of those and I wasnt sponsored by the CCP or my family or involved in bribery/corruption. Keep painting every rich mainlander as some sort of a corrupt individual shows just how much hatred there is and why this divide is just growing wider. Only Hongers can be rich and also still claim to be morally upright eh ?

[Mr.HappySilp]

Uhh they are buying Chinese products. Huawei and Xiaomi has a good hold of the chinese cell markets and even though you buy apple you are still supporting China as they are made in China and therefore pays into the system. Hell almost everything is made in China and therefore most items regardless of origin funds the CCP.

Funny you mention that coz a friend of mine who is from China went to the protest to cheer on the the pro Chinese snapping pics and posting videos. I simply ask is she using an iPhone to take those pictures(we all know she uses an iPhone) on her wechat comments. And my comment was deleted within 5mins of posting it then I got block lol. Such glass heart I must have shatter it pretty hard.

[westopher]

I can afford one of those and I wasnt sponsored by the CCP or my family or involved in bribery/corruption. Keep painting every rich mainlander as some sort of a corrupt individual shows just how much hatred there is and why this divide is just growing wider. Only Hongers can be rich and also still claim to be morally upright eh ?
Aren’t your earnings from working for a Canadian company, in Canada? Honest question. I don’t know if I remember correctly.

[Alpine]

Funny you mention that coz a friend of mine who is from China when to the protest to cheer on the the pro Chinese snapping pics and posting videos. I simply ask is she using an iPhone to take those pictures(we all know she uses an iPhone) on her wechat comments. And my comment was deleted within 5mins of posting it then I got block lol. Such glass heart I must have shatter it pretty hard.

Why does a pro-china buying a non-china brand matter? It's a global market, products & materials are sourced from all corners of the globe... you're not going to find much that's only made in one country unless it's something that's selling in a dollar store...
If you are pro-HK, does that mean that you cannot own anything that's made in China without being a hypocrite?

C'mon guys, let's focus on the real issues here... not if someone owns a Ferrari or uses an iphone...

[Badhobz]

Aren’t your earnings from working for a Canadian company, in Canada? Honest question. I don’t know if I remember correctly.

i work in management at the ports. i made most of my money on the market buying canadian and american stocks.

[Xplicit_EL]

China's pretty damn big, and at different pockets, there are some huge investments resulting in (gov't / private) economical spurts. I consider these fast changes where sometimes faster than any countries I've seen in the past 10 years.





These two quotes go hand in hand. China has grown super fast in the last 20 years, and yet lacked the social education to accommodate the ethical aspect of things.

For once, I'm proud of HK this weekend as there wasn't huge disruption of tear gases and riots. Super thankful. Thank you for the Van police for making peace at the skytrain (sat) & China embassy (sunday).

Only funny thing I saw was signs "no secession".. errr wtf how did that come about?

https://images.thestar.com/cYoMfgVOYtaSAm9JZMPcIUBvjiM=/1086x724/smart/filters:cb(1566132652764)/https://www.thestar.com/content/dam/thestar/vancouver/2019/08/17/clash-takes-over-vancouver-street-corner-as-hong-kong-democracy-protests-go-global/hongkong.jpg

Wow, what a bunch of winners right here. People like this make me ashamed to be chinese. FailFish

[threezero]

Funny you mention that coz a friend of mine who is from China went to the protest to cheer on the the pro Chinese snapping pics and posting videos. I simply ask is she using an iPhone to take those pictures(we all know she uses an iPhone) on her wechat comments. And my comment was deleted within 5mins of posting it then I got block lol. Such glass heart I must have shatter it pretty hard.

Ahh the Chinese Karen, the one that will flip out when the restaurant gave her hot sauce instead of the oil. She probably thought you are mocking her super serious "social advocacy" post.

There are these glass hearted people in all races and ethnicity.

All kidding aside. Chinese domestic market is huge. The Chinese you see and hear about is less than 1% of the population. Just tip of the iceberg. Chinese do purchase their own product, if you look at entire population of a whole Chinese probably uses 90% domesticate produce and 10% international.

Alot of the international brand in China produce their product in China specifically for the country. For example they have a seperate line of Mercedes in China that is made inside the country for consumption in China.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Why does a pro-china buying a non-china brand matter? It's a global market, products & materials are sourced from all corners of the globe... you're not going to find much that's only made in one country unless it's something that's selling in a dollar store...
If you are pro-HK, does that mean that you cannot own anything that's made in China without being a hypocrite?

C'mon guys, let's focus on the real issues here... not if someone owns a Ferrari or uses an iphone...

See that's the funny part. They felt so embarrassed about it. Nothing wrong with snapping pics and videos using your iPhone when you are at the pro China protest. But the way she reacted when I point it out is pure gold. I have no issue using a Chinese brand phone in public at all.

Is the way they act like they must use other foreign brand to show off their wealth.

[SFU_wmc]

Removing Coordinated Inauthentic Behavior From China
https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2019/08/removing-cib-china/

Today, we removed seven Pages, three Groups and five Facebook accounts involved in coordinated inauthentic behavior as part of a small network that originated in China and focused on Hong Kong. The individuals behind this campaign engaged in a number of deceptive tactics, including the use of fake accounts — some of which had been already disabled by our automated systems — to manage Pages posing as news organizations, post in Groups, disseminate their content, and also drive people to off-platform news sites. They frequently posted about local political news and issues including topics like the ongoing protests in Hong Kong. Although the people behind this activity attempted to conceal their identities, our investigation found links to individuals associated with the Chinese government.

[buhdeh]

Gee, why does China need to spread propaganda to sites that mainlanders can't even access?

[CharlesInCharge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McX3vaXzPT4

[Traum]

Past example and evidence from Australia are suggesting that there is state-backed propaganda machinery working behind the scenes to arrange these. Typically, it is the United Front, though it can be one of their many proxies as well.

In the case of exchange students, examples from Australia have also indicated there is someone who actively guides / keeps taps on the exchange students. Don't go along with what you've been "told" to voluntarily do? There will be "consequences".

Can someone explain why theres a pro-china counter protest in a democratic country like canada?

I understand why canadian HK are protesting but why the fuck do canadian mainlanders care to come out and counter protest.

Like congratulation you made it here...relax and enjoy. Your living the canadian dream living here in a beautiful clean democratic country. Forget about your communist country and let others protest their freedom.

Theres lots of neutral non chinese people who are quickly seeing these hypocrites pro chinese for who they are. I'm down to goto these protest to publically shame them on social media.

[Badhobz]

Is the way they act like they must use other foreign brand to show off their wealth.

Really? Hongers don't buy name brands eh ? Why the fuck does Hong Kong have like 8 LV stores in a city footprint that's smaller than Vancouver ? Don't talk like your shit doesn't stink.

[BIC_BAWS]

Why the fuck does Hong Kong have like 8 LV stores in a city footprint that's smaller than Vancouver ?


To appease the literal bus-loads of mainland tourists. :troll:

[asian_XL]

Gee, why does China need to spread propaganda to sites that mainlanders can't even access?

because pen15 is small

[Badhobz]

https://memeguy.com/photos/images/oh-picard-you-playful-devil-you-129746.gif

[spoon.ek9]

I don't believe it myself but who knows in this day and age. Look at all the dirty shit the CIA has been involved in the past. Bay of pigs in Cuba, the Iranian Revolution, United fruit company in Guatemala.

Sounds just like CCP propaganda to me. But that isn't even close to the crux of the issue. Most of the mainlanders don't understand protestors demands for freedom and therefore will never back the cause. All the while the city and its citizens suffers and we have these pointless protests/counter protests in our own backyard.

so you think it's completely plausible that the USA has somehow paid Canadians to protest against the CCP? If anything, it's much more plausible that the pro-China supporters were paid by CCP to disrupt pro-HK protests here.

[Badhobz]

so you think it's completely plausible that the USA has somehow paid Canadians to protest against the CCP? If anything, it's much more plausible that the pro-China supporters were paid by CCP to disrupt pro-HK protests here.

canadians? no man, the CCP media was talking about the CIA inciting protestors in HK not locally here. Im sure all the local protests here are just a bunch of canadianized hongers because they all speak fluent english. Most of the CCP supporters cant even put two fucking English sentences together.

[Razor Ramon HG]

To appease the literal bus-loads of mainland tourists. :troll:

That's actually true. I stayed at my aunt's in Tuen Mun close to the border and every weekend at the local mall was packed with Mainlanders walking around with luggages shoving makeup and clothes into them.

[BIC_BAWS]

That's actually true. I stayed at my aunt's in Tuen Mun close to the border and every weekend at the local mall was packed with Mainlanders walking around with luggages shoving makeup and clothes into them.


Don't forget baby milk formula and accessories.

But that's a whole other topic.

so anyone wanna buy baby milk formula? :troll:

[threezero]

so you think it's completely plausible that the USA has somehow paid Canadians to protest against the CCP? If anything, it's much more plausible that the pro-China supporters were paid by CCP to disrupt pro-HK protests here.

I do believe there are paid actors for both side in the protest Hong Kong. There has been evidence on both side. And it’s is quite clear that are some participant of the movement trying to veer off course.

Here? Nah lol. No need to pay anybody here. There is a bleeding heart honger watching from the hk protest from the other side of the world.

And than there is the passionately nationalist Mainlander trying to “defend” their country on a foreign soil.

Seeing the turnout at the protest here. The ratio looks exactly like a regular day in crystal mall.

The only one getting pay is the uncles selling flags to both side at the protest.

[spoon.ek9]

canadians? no man, the CCP media was talking about the CIA inciting protestors in HK not locally here. Im sure all the local protests here are just a bunch of canadianized hongers because they all speak fluent english. Most of the CCP supporters cant even put two fucking English sentences together.

I do believe there are paid actors for both side in the protest Hong Kong. There has been evidence on both side. And it’s is quite clear that are some participant of the movement trying to veer off course.

Here? Nah lol. No need to pay anybody here. There is a bleeding heart honger watching from the hk protest from the other side of the world.

And than there is the passionately nationalist Mainlander trying to “defend” their country on a foreign soil.

Seeing the turnout at the protest here. The ratio looks exactly like a regular day in crystal mall.

The only one getting pay is the uncles selling flags to both side at the protest.

https://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n405/SpoonCTREK9/68507302_10162264870460154_6438843678277500928_n.j pg

This is exactly my point. The above picture is of a pro-china supporter right here in Vancouver. It's one thing to suspect it in HK, it's an entirely other realm of stupidity (or influence/brainwashing) to think it's being done here.

[SkinnyPupp]

Nobody's getting fucking paid to protest in HK you clowns LUL

[Badhobz]

Well that guys a fucking idiot so that settles that.

[welfare]

So is pepe still racist? FeelsBadMan

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EB25lVCXUAYzZ2-.png

[SkinnyPupp]

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1163112050001940481

https://twitter.com/business/status/1163633624828108800

[SkinnyPupp]

This crazy fucker attacked three protesters who were tidying up at a demonstration area "Lennon Wall" last night

https://twitter.com/RealHKNews/status/1163547091542650880

Slashed that girl in the back then stabbed another guy who is still in the hospital

https://twitter.com/Dystopia992/status/1163604483806359552

Cops showed up but didn't seem that interested.. Local citizens performed the investigation themselves, and found CCTV footage, found his clothes, etc. They will hand this over to the police who will hopefully arrest the guy

https://twitter.com/MandyLeeDUBHKG/status/1163608455682433029

[threezero]

Reading conflicting information on whether this guy was caught.

Has their been a police press interview yet? Cant wait to see what cringey answer they have for this

[twdm]

Hong Kong police caught red handed torturing an elderly man in a public hospital.

https://www.facebook.com/standnewshk/videos/373427246663893/?fbclid=IwAR2noZm5Jnr4eV6Ky_Lc8ma4EZdjykXRN7HU3O9M hg8doIKYjq0a1k7DjBU

Queue apologists explaining the police's special authorities that allow for extra-judicial torture.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-49402222

Facebook and twitter ban CCP sponsored accounts that spread fake news.

[SkinnyPupp]

Hong Kong police caught red handed torturing an elderly man in a public hospital.

https://www.facebook.com/standnewshk/videos/373427246663893/?fbclid=IwAR2noZm5Jnr4eV6Ky_Lc8ma4EZdjykXRN7HU3O9M hg8doIKYjq0a1k7DjBU

Queue apologists explaining the police's special authorities that allow for extra-judicial torture.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-49402222

Facebook and twitter ban CCP sponsored accounts that spread fake news.
I was just going to post this.. Don't go looking for the video, it will make you sick

[Tim Budong]

https://streamable.com/s0b9l

[StylinRed]

https://coconuts.co/hongkong/news/pro-dems-release-footage-of-police-beating-elderly-detainee-who-was-tied-to-hospital-bed/

English article about the torture CCTV footage

[StylinRed]

Well it has nothing to do with the protests supposedly, so while that 9 is a bit oO, doesn't really matter I guess

[SkinnyPupp]

Turns out the date was legit and those two cops were arrested today. They haven't said why they weren't arrested when this was first brought to their attention, and they claimed they didn't know that video footage of the event existed. In other words, they didn't investigate at all (also in the footage, the cops clearly see that there's a camera, as they look directly into it)

HK Police are totally out of control

[Mr.HappySilp]

Still no reason why the cops did that to the elderly person though.
But I am done with this whole protest. Both sides won't back down but one side is going to lose (most likely HK) and they are going to end up losing badly.

[threezero]

Still no reason why the cops did that to the elderly person though.
But I am done with this whole protest. Both sides won't back down but one side is going to lose (most likely HK) and they are going to end up losing badly.

It is possible to have come through in a win-win situation. It not going to happen unless everybody takes a step back. And find a common ground to step up together on.

Seems like its been peaceful today. Maybe this video will actually be viewed lol.
RTHK did this interview on the head editor of Ming Pao with a law degree from UK. A pretty neutral, calm and educated discussion on the current situation coming from a government sponsor channel.

There is no exciting street fight, no english subtitle. Pure Hong Kong dinner time TV.
Something alot of honger kids would not be able to sit through.

https://youtu.be/8KbGa_nl4GE

[twitchyzero]

in canada those dirty cops will just file for paid medical leave that they were under PTSD from the protest

[Presto]

https://www.hongkongfp.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/000_1HK2F5.jpg

[SkinnyPupp]

The video is even cooler

https://streamable.com/mk0do

[Mr.HappySilp]

So something happen with my wife's wechat. She and some of her friends made a wechat group (some people are from China, TW and HK). Someone mention about something let's hope no tanks roll out in HK. After a few mins she send some message in the group and no one reply.

She message them and it turns out no one can see other people's message in the group anymore. She try to exit the group but the group admin can't add her back in. Basically they have to make a new group. I simply told her that's why China controls your social media. If you mention something in wechat they don't like they simply block that message from being send out. My advice to her is don't mention any sensitive since her and her friend's wechat account are most likely on the China's gov watch list now. And that is how China control the social media.

A lot of these Pro China protest we have in Canada I really like to to know why are they thinking. They came to Canada and experience all the freedom that was given to them yet when HKers are fighting the the same freedom(which they currently have but is able to be taken away)/ If they feel the Chinese gov is right then why aren't they going back to China? Is not just freedom of speech, but also the social/media control, TV shows, movies all the screen in China. That's why you see all these Chinese TV shows have same storyline again and again, same with movies.

Since we are going back to China in Sept. I plan to bring one of my old phones, factory reset it a few times and only install apps that I need (wechat, map apps to china) and that's it. NO what's app, no FB no google stuff. Even at the boarder if they want to check my phone they aren't going to find anything.

[Badhobz]

So with your logic, just because you support something then it means you have to go back there eh? A lot of hongers support this protest locally, why don't you tell them to go back to Hong Kong then.

You wanna talk about tv shows with endlessly the same shit, tvb is the fucking king of that.

[SkinnyPupp]

A lot of these Pro China protest we have in Canada I really like to to know why are they thinking.

They literally aren't thinking. That's why it's called brainwashing

[Tim Budong]

So something happen with my wife's wechat. She and some of her friends made a wechat group (some people are from China, TW and HK). Someone mention about something let's hope no tanks roll out in HK. After a few mins she send some message in the group and no one reply.

She message them and it turns out no one can see other people's message in the group anymore. She try to exit the group but the group admin can't add her back in. Basically they have to make a new group. I simply told her that's why China controls your social media. If you mention something in wechat they don't like they simply block that message from being send out. My advice to her is don't mention any sensitive since her and her friend's wechat account are most likely on the China's gov watch list now. And that is how China control the social media.

A lot of these Pro China protest we have in Canada I really like to to know why are they thinking. They came to Canada and experience all the freedom that was given to them yet when HKers are fighting the the same freedom(which they currently have but is able to be taken away)/ If they feel the Chinese gov is right then why aren't they going back to China? Is not just freedom of speech, but also the social/media control, TV shows, movies all the screen in China. That's why you see all these Chinese TV shows have same storyline again and again, same with movies.

Since we are going back to China in Sept. I plan to bring one of my old phones, factory reset it a few times and only install apps that I need (wechat, map apps to china) and that's it. NO what's app, no FB no google stuff. Even at the boarder if they want to check my phone they aren't going to find anything.

Had a discussion about this very specific point you made. The people that are rich enough to leave China probably already had the freedoms not seen by others living in China. So it doesn't matter to them.

Interesting thing that would never happen are.. how many of these Chinese immigrants have done the process to become citizens of Canada? Do they vote?

things like that..

[SkinnyPupp]

Two people have disappeared so far.

British HK consulate employee went to SZ and was never seen again

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-49403619

Mainland human rights lawyer disappeared after visiting HK

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3023796/chinese-human-rights-lawyer-chen-qiushi-missing-after-return

[spoon.ek9]

So with your logic, just because you support something then it means you have to go back there eh? A lot of hongers support this protest locally, why don't you tell them to go back to Hong Kong then.

You wanna talk about tv shows with endlessly the same shit, tvb is the fucking king of that.

The two situations are not comparable. You're talking about people who moved from a democratic society to a democratic country. The other group is from an authoritarian communist country going to a democratic country.

You have already been able to separate your love for country apart from it's political system. What you need to do is look at this from a third party perspective.

Imagine German Nazis coming to Canada and bragging about how awesome their country is and then they start shitting on the local Jews for protesting against the treatment they've been getting back home. How does that look? Hypocritical much? The point people are trying to make here is, if your country (including it's system) is so great why leave? why do any of them need to have a backup plan/exit strategy if things are so awesome?

Obviously I've used some hyperbole here to get my point across. Nazi Germany =/= Mainland China.