[SkinnyPupp]

You're basically saying all attacks are justified, and any innocents that are caught up, or victims of violence, aren't innocent.... Uh... Yeah no, that's not how thiggs work

And also, ignoring the fact that people have been beaten after being falsely accused:

This is about the oct1 violence
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-49891403



Stupid wanton violence
Falsely accused of what though? Because if you are in a group of 100-200 protesters and declare yourself as a fascist, there's not much to be falsely accused of. That does NOT condone violence of course, and I HATE victim blaming... but maybe don't do that? Police presence does not prevent that from happening either.

I still think the best way to de-escalate the violence is to lower police presence. There have been huge marches where the cops show up, and nothing happens at all. People sing, put up signs, make their demands, maybe rough up some MTR equipment, and move on to the next day.

They're NOT going to stop this in the next 20 years, unless the demands are met, so why not try something different? Things have only gotten worse over the last 4 months, so obviously what they're doing is not working.

[SkinnyPupp]

Yeah I agree I just hope ya didn't think that the term was racist in itself
Yeah context matters. If someone said to me "Haha you laowai, been living in China for 12 years and your chinese still sucks" I would laugh it off. If someone calls me a "fucking laowai" and degrades me for sharing a post about China.. Like I said that's pretty much pure hatred induced racism and doesn't belong here.

Again I hope we can move on from it and get along. I know most people here aren't racist, and maybe that guy is just frustrated for seeing "outsider" opinions going against his own patriotism so strongly. Doesn't matter

[SkinnyPupp]

https://twitter.com/maryhui/status/1179195518158639104

Cop threatening to shoot a journalist

[Badhobz]

Lost cause. I’ve said it from the get go. Completely and utterly pointless without popular Chinese support of the mainlanders. Nobody intentionally is going to give a shit because economies are too interdependent.

[jasonturbo]

They are wantonly destroying the city, and attacking police viciously, they aren't protesting, these are just groups of anarchists hiding within peaceful protesters.

Do you believe it is possible that the "anarchists" are simply bad actors working under the direction of the PRC sent out to disturb the peace and justify the inevitable military response?

[highfive]

Protesters are targeting 3 things with their destruction:

-Police and police property
-Confirmed fascists and their property (including government facilities - MTR stations)
-Triads and their property

No members of the public are in any danger from the protesters, unless they declare themselves as fascists. Being a fascist in a liberal revolution, of course you're going to be targeted. This protest has been extremely non violent in terms of surrounding property and random citizens. The only stores th at get vandalized are fascists, the only cars that get vandalised are people who try to run over protesters.

When someone declares themselves as fascist publicly (such as Maxim's and Yoshinoya) they are declaring war on the protesters... So their property gets targeted. Not the employees, mind you, most of whom are definitely supporting the movement as average citizens.

When triads go out to attack people, they are going to fight back.

When police go out to attack people, they are going to fight back. Remember, this isn't Canada or UK where the police are still considered civil servants that follow the rule of law. Right or wrong, I'm not one to judge, but they are considered terrorists who are out to injure/degrade/sexually assault citizens. They collude with triads to harm citizens. There are new cases every day of all this happening.

So what's the solution? When the police deliberately call an assembly illegal, in order to be able to arrest people, all it does is ensure only the most extreme protesters show up. They aren't preventing any vandalism from happening. And again, there's no violence against citizens, so they aren't preventing that either.

All they're doing is going out there to crack skulls, tear gas, pepper spray, dye water canons, and in turn they get ganged up on when separated from their ranks. And from there, they escalate it to using live rounds on people.

Obviously the police aren't accomplishing anything in terms of lowering violence, preventing vandalism to fascist property, or even huge marches. All they're doing is providing targets for violence, and now putting peoples' lives at risk since they started using live rounds.

My solution, at least they should CONSIDER, just don't go out at all when there's a protest. Let the protesters do their march, don't show up. People will go home, don't show up. Some people will stay really late, looking for a fight. They may even destroy fascist and government property. Don't show up. Remember, they're going to do this anyway. They'll leave eventually. No cops get poked with poles, no protesters get shot or beaten. Some fascist property gets their windows broken and spray painted (which happens anyway). Much more peaceful in my opinion.

Shit, I don't even know where to start. I do notice the trend that violence usually escalates on the weekend and it's more peaceful during the week. lol

I'll show how peaceful these protesters are.

https://twitter.com/j1mmyc8an/status/1175603004675723264?s=20

Damaging property here.

https://twitter.com/liamstone_19/status/1175765760691433472?s=20

Breaking into the MTR train control room? You're literally putting HK citizens in danger.

https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1175535993190961157?s=20

Beating up one old man? I don't care what you represent but this is stupid. How do you expect to have democracy when you can only react like this when people disagree with you?

https://twitter.com/rthk_enews/status/1175405988146376704?s=20

Please try attacking a police officer like this anywhere else in the world while trying to make arrest and not be shot.

https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1168906131634360323?s=20

Mandarin = bad?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toby-gu-hong-kong-1.5296008

How about this blogger from Toronto? Guy posted something that's not agreeable by the mob and he got death threats?


It's really sad to see HK like this. I truly believe both sides are wrong on this and certain folks from both sides has crossed the line. That being said why are there so much support from the city still?

https://twitter.com/RyanMcManimie/status/1154243419444633601?s=20

This thread on Twitter sort of explains the past 20 odd years since the handover and how HK people lived.

The longer this protest goes and the more violent it goes, there will never be democracy in HK. That's just my opinion.

[hi-revs]

Do you believe it is possible that the "anarchists" are simply bad actors working under the direction of the PRC sent out to disturb the peace and justify the inevitable military response?


100%

[hi-revs]

The longer this protest goes and the more violent it goes, there will never be democracy in HK. That's just my opinion.

I think that's China's plan all along. Once they take HK, they'll move onto Taiwan.

[fetched]

There's not many people here, so racism really stands out. PS Don't be mad because a white guy knows more about China than you do LUL

Calling you a foreigner that knows nothing is not racism...Again...you’re acting exactly the same way as the people that you apparent despise....

[SkinnyPupp]

Do you believe it is possible that the "anarchists" are simply bad actors working under the direction of the PRC sent out to disturb the peace and justify the inevitable military response?
There have been cases of apparent police being the ones causing much of the damage to people and MTR stations.

For instance, some protesters committing vandalism were later recorded opening police car doors with keys. Others have been caught using police issued telescopic batons (which in HK are as hard to find as guns apparently). It's possible that they killed some cops and stole their keys and batons, or had keys cut and batons smuggled in from china, but IMO it's more likely that they were just police acting as agents provocateur, something that the police themselves have admitted to (some of them make arrests as well, dressed as protesters. BTW these are often the most violent arrests we see)

A less reliable piece of evidence are the blinking lights on helmets and backpacks... From the very beginning, the undercover police would have blinking lights on their helmets or backpacks, to make sure they can identify themselves from actual protesters. Many, if not most of the protesters we've seen doing a lot of vandalism and molotov throwing have had blinking lights on their backpacks. Now it's possible that the vandalists are also using blinking lights for some other reason. Or it's possible that they're police who still need to be identifiable. You'd say anyone with a brain would remove the lights first, but that's dangerous (and also we already know the police commanders are practically inept) So who knows?

As for that collection of anti-protester tweets...

If you want to go out and declare yourself as a fascist and pick fights during a revolution, again not victim blaming, but that's the risk you take for wanting to get your point of view across. There may be a better time or place to do so. Others are stuff we've seen - protesters attacking terrorists (in their view), trying to prevent arrests, destroying fascist/government property, etc, and opening an MTR emergency door.

That "vlogger" was asking for exactly what he got, nothing more, nothing less. His intent was to try to get some provocative footage of himself being attacked by either side, in order to promote his youtube page (he posted it ALL OVER reddit). It backfired on him, and I don't have any sympathy (despite the actual footage being high quality and interesting)

But yeah, there are dumb and violent protesters, and dumb and violent fascists. The main difference being, one side is fascist...

[SkinnyPupp]

Calling you a foreigner that knows nothing is not racism...Again...you’re acting exactly the same way as the people that you apparent despise....
I don't despise anyone, except racists and Carrie Lam Kappa

[fetched]

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[jasonturbo]

yet we got a laowai that’s been in HK for 12 years and have not integrated at all into the local culture....

Is that the culture of barbarism (Protesters) or authoritarianism (Police/PRC)?

[Hehe]

A sign of innovation of a nation is the number of patents filed, and China files twice as many as the US. Granted that's not the greatest measure, as there are many things to consider when it comes to patents, like the quality of them, if they're actual new inventions, or merely slight changes to what's already made, etc, etc, but still, it's a sign that the engine is churning

Patents have nothing to do with innovation. It's merely a protection against others with regard to an idea.

What I was referring is about the freedom of academics, which is among one of the freedom not given to Chinese citizens.

In China, when it comes to research topics, it's always about the purpose or the benefit of such research. Anything without a clear sign of such is canned immediately.

The word compassion covers many different fields. And in academic, it's one of the clear examples. Very often, you'd see research cost millions of dollars in US institutions that serves nothing more than a stepstone of something potentially greater. That "greater" thing is NOT guaranteed. It only serves as a guideline to future research directions. American academics dominate in many fields because they can tolerate and even promote such behaviour, that's why they have tenure and offer many academic/research freedom to their fellows. No agenda, and no limit except certain conducts and codes they must obey and follow through. If things don't work out, well... at least they know that this is not a direction to go in the future. And that is what research is all about... trial and errors. Failures are taken as a simple part of the road.

And FAILURE is what the Chinese society... because of CCP's agenda cannot tolerate. They see failure as a sign of weakness. Thus everything about China has to be succesful, great and look good. How many times have we heard a major incident happens in China and gets completely cover up... when there's no reason to cover it up at all! Oh wait... because something bad happening in China under the leadership of CCP is IMPOSSIBLE... it's always someone else. HK protest is because of the West is trying to fuck China.

Why can't they simply discuss WHY THE FUCK HK, under CCP's leadership, came to this??? Maybe one country, two system doesn't really work? Maybe it needs some adjustments? Nop... it can't be... anything CCP does is perfect and Xi, along with members of the politburo are GODS... they don't make mistakes!

China wonders why they can't make friends and all the "allies" are craphole quasi-authoritarian countries like North Korea, Iran et al... they need to start question themselves.

[Nlkko]

The notion of being "brainwashed" in China is not about to think in a particular way. Quite contrary... it's about NOT to think in a particular way.

The whole education system, as well as society as a whole, is to have a moral value of not to question. They don't promote (and dare I say they even discourage) critical thinking, freedom of many kinds and even selfism.

It's all about the GREATER GOOD, the country and recently, the CCP.

This creates huge social problems where people care NOTHING but money and power. There is no compassion for others. One just keeps it to him/herself.

There is a REASON why with all the competition (academically) in their education system (my son is scratching his balls everyday when he gets home from schools, my friend's kid, also in grade 2 like my son studies everyday until midnight) and YET very few, if any, major breakthroughs/innovations in science come from China. Because academias can't think by themselves. Everything is about what their boss/upper authorities want to see/hear them do.

Money doesn't buy one's happiness... and to an extent, also doesn't measure the success of one. Nevertheless, that's not the case in China.

You are absolutely correct that they are all about "the greater good". Although I would submit that it is a cultural difference rather than "brainwashing". They are willing to submit to something different than us, is that brainwashing?

Chinese culture historically has always been about "the greater good". We are not OK to sacrificing the "self" for the greater good, nothing wrong with that. They are OK to, nothing wrong with that either.

It is cultural difference that people just need to accept. One isn't superior to the other.

[StylinRed]

Do you believe it is possible that the "anarchists" are simply bad actors working under the direction of the PRC sent out to disturb the peace and justify the inevitable military response?

I don't want to delve into conspiracy theories, but if it was proven that there were foreign actors, perpetuating the violence/protests, from say the PRC, KMT, US, HKPF, it wouldn't blow my mind.

However to try and suggest the makeup of these anarchists are all foreign actors, is a bit much.

What we know for certain, is there are a lot of angry, violent, students/citizens, who have been caught red handed, and they have an immense amount of support for their actions from protesters, who watch on the sidelines, and on protester forums like LIHKG, r/hongkong

[StylinRed]

Patents have nothing to do with innovation. It's merely a protection against others with regard to an idea.

Yes it does... It's one of the hard data indicators,another being investment into R&D, and to look at the desire for a country to be innovative, investment into education is also considered. There are many different methods used to rank innovation though, it's why different organizations, articles, etc may have vastly different results when ranking countries

But like I said there are a lot of issues with patents alone, such as the quality of the patented idea, do they lead to actual new inventions, or are they just incremental advances/adjustments in designs, etc etc

It's not the best indicator, but it shows that they're working on it.

As for your point about tenure, and researchers being allowed to innovate freely, you're right, but China doesn't have the luxury of these other countries to innovate in a broad spectrum, and allow researchers to just 'have at it' as they're playing catchup here

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2019-01-23/why-countries-care-about-being-innovative

https://chinapower.csis.org/
csis articles are a good read

[SkinnyPupp]

Lunchtime protest in Central

https://twitter.com/antd/status/1179256782096609280

https://twitter.com/antd/status/1179268687376850945

https://twitter.com/maryhui/status/1179271158895697921

Regular every day people out in support of the cause still, despite what happened yesterday. They may not condone actions against police and property, but they definitely still want their 5 demands.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

I don't think it's a matter of brainwashing, but instead mainlanders living in a constant state of fear of falling into the hands of China's arbitrary judiciary system where the courts are subordinate to the communist party. Imagine being constantly monitored and ranked on a social credit system, living in fear of being blacklisted having your life ruined or thrown in jail

i think you just described 0.05% of the mainland chinese population.

[SkinnyPupp]

Interesting twitter thread here. You can read it all on one page here (https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1179323808467111936.html)

https://twitter.com/KongTsungGan/status/1179323808467111936

[twdm]

yet we got a laowai that’s been in HK for 12 years and have not integrated at all into the local culture....
Sorry. Hong Kong culture doesn't call foreigners laowai.

Plus we have mainlanders born in HK and they don't speak a speck of cantonese. So what? There's plenty of mainlanders who bought up the luxury apartments where I'm renting and they run around speaking mandarin. So what?

Hell you have mainlanders who lived for decades in Canada who can't speak any english. So what?

[G0rilla]

https://mobile.twitter.com/yskevinhuang/status/1179250578666471424?s=19

Aberdeen station

[hi-revs]

https://mobile.twitter.com/yskevinhuang/status/1179250578666471424?s=19

Aberdeen station


I really hope this vid was sent to RCMP and immigration office. Time to revoke these cunts visas and send them back to their beloved country. We dont need these little shits here.

[twitchyzero]

the 90s punk band removed some post-its from a transit station

i dont agree with it but that's not grounds for deportation

[welfare]

Big Trouble in Little China

[welfare]

It is a public space that this was posted, so whether callous, I don't think any laws were broken.

[whitev70r]

the 90s punk band removed some post-its from a transit station

i dont agree with it but that's not grounds for deportation

Afterall, they contribute to the coffers by paying that exhorbitant luxury car tax.

[bcedhk]

I really hope this vid was sent to RCMP and immigration office. Time to revoke these cunts visas and send them back to their beloved country. We dont need these little shits here.

You'll probably spot them (probably from a mile away with those hair colour) at your nearest espot / hotpot spot.

[Hehe]

You are absolutely correct that they are all about "the greater good". Although I would submit that it is a cultural difference rather than "brainwashing". They are willing to submit to something different than us, is that brainwashing?

Chinese culture historically has always been about "the greater good". We are not OK to sacrificing the "self" for the greater good, nothing wrong with that. They are OK to, nothing wrong with that either.

It is cultural difference that people just need to accept. One isn't superior to the other.

Nah... I'm from Taiwan so I know what you are talking about.

But take a wider perspective and look at the so called "harmony" Confucianism ideology is trying to convey vs. the "harmony" that CCP is trying to force onto China... they are different things! CCP wants Chinese citizen to believe that it is the same thing... when they are NOT.

Confucian ideology is that through development of self (academic, self cultivation, morality... so on) toward different ROLES that one must portray, the person becomes a better part of the society. Hence the society can grow better when more and more people of the society have higher standard of self development.

CCP's version is that the society, under the GREAT leadership of CCP is AMAZING! And as long as one fits into this GREAT SOCIETY in the way that the person can.

Where is the problem? Well... the society under CCP has a pre-determined ceiling but not floor. Even if a person cares enough, he can't move the society forward... that's up to the politburo to decide... not the average joes. Oh... and anyone is average joes outside of the politburo.

In democratic countries (like Canada, US... etc) or advanced democratic socialism countries (Norway, Denmark... etc), there's a public acceptable floor of the minimum standard... but never a ceiling. We, as citizens elect our reps when we see room for improvement in the society. That's how our laws come into effect.

Yes, we can argue which one is better for all we care... but who are the politburo to decide what is better for the Chinese citizens? None of them are elected to be there... they were appointed. Or if you consider China's National People Congress, which all its members are again appointed to be a fair representation of its people... then I've got nothing further to say.

[6793026]

It is a public space that this was posted, so whether callous, I don't think any laws were broken.

They say the station is skytrain property so that's illegal to put up any posters / post-it notes. Then you got the other side saying the posters / notes are private proper of the individuals and no one should remove. Lastly, you got the dude ripping them off.

Truth is, you can't put up stuff without permission. Property owner have the right to remove them. Just the dude that's doing it got in shit cause it was the Lennon wall.

[Fafine]

https://mobile.twitter.com/yskevinhuang/status/1179250578666471424?s=19

Aberdeen station

Holy fruit cakes lol

[StylinRed]

Seems like an appropriate thread to put this in lol

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7528217/13-5-tonnes-gold-worth-520-million-corrupt-Chinese-officials-home.html#article-7528217

[Badhobz]

the 90s punk band removed some post-its from a transit station

i dont agree with it but that's not grounds for deportation

They should keep that shit back home where it belongs.

If you have a right to put shit up, then somebody else had the right to pull it down. The only crime here is the boy band fashion outfits.

[StylinRed]

I like how the girl filming wanted to waste the polices time by calling for ppl to call 911

[Badhobz]

Funniest part is when the bitch who speaks broken ass English asks the fobs how come they don’t speak English hahahah.

God damnit had me in tears.

[jackmeister]

I like how the girl filming wanted to waste the polices time by calling for ppl to call 911

The only police they should be calling is the fashion police

[320icar]

I really hope this vid was sent to RCMP and immigration office. Time to revoke these cunts visas and send them back to their beloved country. We dont need these little shits here.

For those who failed this post, do you people actually agree that this is okay to do?

Fuck this thread Jesus christ

[SkinnyPupp]

Journalist shot in face with Hong Kong police projectile will lose sight permanently in right eye, lawyer says (https://www.hongkongfp.com/2019/10/02/breaking-journalist-shot-face-hong-kong-police-projectile-will-lose-sight-permanently-right-eye-lawyer-says)

The footage again, police shooting at press, taking shots while leaving, aiming at heads, no criminals around. And it was a rubber bullet, not a bean bag round. This is basically attempted murder

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f1wn7WZBv0

[320icar]

They should keep that shit back home where it belongs.

If you have a right to put shit up, then somebody else had the right to pull it down. The only crime here is the boy band fashion outfits.

Do you not understand how free speech works? It means pro China has a right to make their own post it wall next to it, not tear someone else’s down

[Badhobz]

First of all, I don’t think anyone should be posting shit on our public streets unless it’s sanctioned by the city. I sincerely doubt something that political and divisive is allowed without special Richmond city council approval. So if it’s illegal to put it up I’m sure it’s fine to rip it down.

Freedom of speech doesn’t mean you should liter my streets full of trash or try and stir the local populace into a contentious and divisive topic that might disturb the harmony in Canada.

Keep that fucking shit in China where it belongs. You want to do something ? Go take a flight back to Hong Kong or China and do that there. Don’t bring foreign troubles here.

[StylinRed]

Journalist shot in face with Hong Kong police projectile will lose sight permanently in right eye, lawyer says (https://www.hongkongfp.com/2019/10/02/breaking-journalist-shot-face-hong-kong-police-projectile-will-lose-sight-permanently-right-eye-lawyer-says)

The footage again, police shooting at press, taking shots while leaving, aiming at heads, no criminals or protesters around. And it was a rubber bullet, not a bean bag round. This is basically attempted murder

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f1wn7WZBv0

I dunno why u keep saying there's no protesters around? There's a group of protesters to the left, seen in other photos, and videos

And even in the video you show, this time, you still see the protester run up to the corner welding a shield, wearing a blue raincoat, he was fired at when he rushed over, he even blocks one of the shots, u can see the ricochet at 0:36 at the btm left of the screen, in fact... I wonder if that ricochet is what hit the reporter?

[StylinRed]

For those who failed this post, do you people actually agree that this is okay to do?

Fuck this thread Jesus christ

I failed him because that isn't a police matter, and to call for their visas to be rescinded, is ridiculous in many aspects, one being its not a crime to tear down posters/flyers on a wall, and it's somewhat bigoted as he's assuming they're foreigners, and he's being a bit vile

[Mike Oxbig]

https://youtu.be/OGo3eOfYaG0

https://youtu.be/20BwpO4MvEY



So theres 7 pro-china thugs.

Why dont 20 hongers by standers jump their ass's like they jump police in hk?

[320icar]

First of all, I don’t think anyone should be posting shit on our public streets unless it’s sanctioned by the city. I sincerely doubt something that political and divisive is allowed without special Richmond city council approval. So if it’s illegal to put it up I’m sure it’s fine to rip it down.

Freedom of speech doesn’t mean you should liter my streets full of trash or try and stir the local populace into a contentious and divisive topic that might disturb the harmony in Canada.

Keep that fucking shit in China where it belongs. You want to do something ? Go take a flight back to Hong Kong or China and do that there. Don’t bring foreign troubles here.

I agree on the first point. But technically it wasn’t littering until those pro China kids threw it on the ground :p

But ok. I understand the points better. Thank you and stylinred

[SkinnyPupp]

Keep that fucking shit in China where it belongs. You want to do something ? Go take a flight back to Hong Kong or China and do that there. Don’t bring foreign troubles here.

One could argue that this isn't just an internal China thing, it's an issue for the entire world, with Hong Kong as the current front line.

If you think China's tyranny has no effect on the rest of the world :rukidding:

[SkinnyPupp]

I dunno why u keep saying there's no protesters around? There's a group of protesters to the left, seen in other photos, and videos

And even in the video you show, this time, you still see the protester run up to the corner welding a shield, wearing a blue raincoat, he was fired at when he rushed over, he even blocks one of the shots, u can see the ricochet at 0:36 at the btm left of the screen, in fact... I wonder if that ricochet is what hit the reporter?
Even if there were protesters between the police and press, it's still an excessive use of force. In fact I'll retract that part, since it's pretty much irrelevant.

[twdm]

First of all, I don’t think anyone should be posting shit on our public streets unless it’s sanctioned by the city. I sincerely doubt something that political and divisive is allowed without special Richmond city council approval. So if it’s illegal to put it up I’m sure it’s fine to rip it down.

Freedom of speech doesn’t mean you should liter my streets full of trash or try and stir the local populace into a contentious and divisive topic that might disturb the harmony in Canada.

Keep that fucking shit in China where it belongs. You want to do something ? Go take a flight back to Hong Kong or China and do that there. Don’t bring foreign troubles here.

Unlike in China, freedom of speech is guaranteed in Canada. Just like how I have to put up with your bullshit arguments, you have to put up with mine. Why would the protection of civil liberties be so divisive to Canadians? It is only offensive to those who don't agree with those values and I would be supportive of any measure to deport those who not only are not Canadian citizens, but are trampling on our culture and values.

So yes. Don't bring foreign little shits to Canada to stir up shit.

Canada has to start pulling a trump and start refusing these student visas.

Mark my words. China is on a warpath. Rampant unchecked nationalism was the cause of the last two world wars. There are so many parallels with events in past. They better realize this sooner or later before it's too late.

[Badhobz]

One could argue that this isn't just an internal China thing, it's an issue for the entire world, with Hong Kong as the current front line.

If you think China's tyranny has no effect on the rest of the world :rukidding:

No it isn't. It just fucking isn't. Nobody cares about Hong Kong. Only one who cares about Hong Kong are hongers. You wanna know why? Because if somebody gave a fucking shit they would have done something or stepped up to China by now. This thing has been going on for months and not a single country has dared do anything (ie offer immigration to hongers) or acted in any way that's contrary to China's stance. Sure there's some words spoken by the UK and the US but there are much bigger issues at stake globally.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/02/the-dow-is-down-over-800-points-in-two-days-heres-whats-happening.html

I just lost 50k in stocks within the last few days. People are worried about an upcoming recession. Last thing on people's minds is some Chinese city. If maybe hundreds of peoples died due to police brutality you might get more international condemnation. But so far 1 dude got shot with a live round and he's in stable condition. 1 fucking dude. In all these months. I'm still blown away.

[westopher]

Big Trouble in Little ChinaI fucking LOL'd hard.

[BIC_BAWS]

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/02/the-dow-is-down-over-800-points-in-two-days-heres-whats-happening.html



I just lost 50k in stocks within the last few days. People are worried about an upcoming recession.

The more people worry, the more likely it's gonna happen. Anyway, sounds like it's time to buy!



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[SkinnyPupp]

https://twitter.com/hmhmhmmmm3/status/1179435077790384130

[hi-revs]

https://twitter.com/hmhmhmmmm3/status/1179435077790384130

That's pretty bs. Aren't these civilians paying their salary, and aren't police suppose to be there to serve and protect?
Can any body say that this isnt excessive use of force?

I'm just waiting for a civilian to put a bullet in an officer for self defense.

[Razor Ramon HG]

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3788981

NIA: Chinese who destroy Lennon Walls will not be allowed back into Taiwan
National Immigration Agency gets tough on Chinese tourists and students who attack Hong Kong students or tear down Lennon Walls

[StylinRed]

and aren't police suppose to be there to serve and protect?
nope, that's just a title of a canadian tv show, that followed the VPD, probably adapted from the VPD motto of 'servamus' (plural of servo, Latin for protect/watch over/etc)
Or they got it from the LAPDs motto of 'to protect and serve'

Hkpfs motto is to serve with pride and care

RCMPs motto is to 'maintain the law'


Can any body say that this isnt excessive use of force?

Nope, that was pretty fucked up, I'd like to see what happened that caused the cop to go over to him, regardless though, that was ridiculous

[6793026]

The footage again, police shooting at press, taking shots while leaving, aiming at heads, no criminals around. And it was a rubber bullet, not a bean bag round. This is basically attempted murder


I can't see who and if there were anyone beside the press. Were there other criminals (your words), violent protesters beside the press? Heck, protesters might even be using press as barriers and hiding behind them. I can't see anything beyond what the camera is showing. There were 4 cops retreating; each holding shotguns, I can't imagine they were trying to aim at the 10-20 press / reporters. I'm sure they were aiming at some protesters we can't see in the video.

Again, huge debate... why do cops have to aim at the heart / head etc. Police are trained to aim & shoot to neutralize / kill (in some cases), where else do you expect cops to aim? Biggest area is chest / body, and then its the head. Where do you want cops to aim... limbs? Come on...

As a reporter, would you risk yourself being in the line of fire?
Either these reporters are brave as f or dumb as F. I can't tell. I have yet seen any Global / CTV reporters or any reporters in the world do what HK press are doing.

A swarm of people standing right in front of a police zone (whatever you call it).
https://scontent.fyvr4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/70790442_10162469125435714_6682906779715633152_n.j pg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_oc=AQlQnncaZ0WH2ytznYj8sxzIl8ZU1fa2lwjPfozpOAs 5LvUMPxTS5Gze1ZEdQtGJsb8&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr4-1.fna&oh=1319d3a38f568aca0f6f4e5d3df435bb&oe=5E2F0B5E

Or this one.... Press jumping on a cop while he's making a tackle... wtf.
https://www.facebook.com/dicky.chan.37017/videos/2381529981965851/

Attempted murder... that would never hold up in court cause police is going to say the same bull crap justifying the force due to "being in fear, which is why they were retreating".

We have a lot of HK so - called - press (anyone with a fucking iphone wearing a vest, with no accredited verification) who are being douchbags; getting in the way of police doing their joib, and to an extend, creating inconvenience not allowing police to chase after protesters.... That makes me super mad.
Below is a FB video showing how "press" came out slowing police doing their job.
https://www.facebook.com/dicky.chan.37017/videos/2392133400905509/?t=4

[SkinnyPupp]

https://twitter.com/5VeggieBalls/status/1179460225843097600

[SkinnyPupp]

I can't see who and if there were anyone beside the press. Were there other criminals (your words), violent protesters beside the press? Heck, protesters might even be using press as barriers and hiding behind them. I can't see anything beyond what the camera is showing. There were 4 cops retreating; each holding shotguns, I can't imagine they were trying to aim at the 10-20 press / reporters. I'm sure they were aiming at some protesters we can't see in the video.

Again, huge debate... why do cops have to aim at the heart / head etc. Police are trained to aim & shoot to neutralize / kill (in some cases), where else do you expect cops to aim? Biggest area is chest / body, and then its the head. Where do you want cops to aim... limbs? Come on...

As a reporter, would you risk yourself being in the line of fire?
Either these reporters are brave as f or dumb as F. I can't tell. I have yet seen any Global / CTV reporters or any reporters in the world do what HK press are doing. A swarm of people standing right in front of a police zone (whatever you call it).


Attempted murder... that would never hold up in court cause police is going to say the same bull crap justifying the force due to "being in fear, which is why they were retreating".

We have a lot of HK so - called - press (anyone with a fucking iphone wearing a vest, with no accredited verification) who are being douchbags; getting in the way of police doing their joib, and to an extend, creating inconvenience not allowing police to chase after protesters.... That makes me super mad.
You HAVE to be trolling. If so, please stop.

[320icar]

YouTube just showed me an ad. Something about “fight for freedom stand with HK”

It showed the CCP as trying to take over the world and “smashing” freedom with the soviet hammer.

What the fuck is this? Keep that political shit off of my ‘how to build a cabin’ playlist

[StylinRed]

Emergency regulation ordinance may be used, where Carrie Lam is expected to issue mask bans for protests

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-49918889

[bcedhk]

The anti-mask law won't work and will just cause more havoc. Rather than listen to the 130 citizens who attended the community dialogue or the 1 & 2 million protestors, the EXCO and CE choices to listen to the recommendation from dimwit DAB members.

[G0rilla]

friendly fire

https://na.cx/i/2ffgLjP.gif

[Manic!]

Again, huge debate... why do cops have to aim at the heart / head etc. Police are trained to aim & shoot to neutralize / kill (in some cases), where else do you expect cops to aim? Biggest area is chest / body, and then its the head. Where do you want cops to aim... limbs? Come on...

As a reporter, would you risk yourself being in the line of fire?
Either these reporters are brave as f or dumb as F. I can't tell. I have yet seen any Global / CTV reporters or any reporters in the world do what HK press are doing.

[/URL]

Reporters put themselves in danger all the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9VmGP1x1uQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-q0MIPfV_Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vS0-WLxc52o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88tGlIfxTLo

[StylinRed]

The anti-mask law won't work and will just cause more havoc. Rather than listen to the 130 citizens who attended the community dialogue or the 1 & 2 million protestors, the EXCO and CE choices to listen to the recommendation from dimwit DAB members.

If there were large enough, pretrial centres, they could technically make mass arrests, throw everyone into pretrial centres, deny bail, causing a huge backlog in the court system, when their day in court finally arrives, guilty or not guilty, they'll be released due to time already being served, and that'd keep protesters off the streets for a substantial amount of time, and perhaps the protests will have lost steam

[bcedhk]

but how many people can the police really arrest everyday? Lets say they arrest 1000 people a day... They'll still need at least half a year to bring in all of the radical protestors.

I'm pretty sure the protestors will find creative ways to deal with this "law"... People on LIHKG are already planning to wear burkas.

[StylinRed]

lmao burkas, hmm I guess they could wear fake Santa like beards, and sunglasses too! But CE will likely make it anything wearable that hides the face.
yes that's true they would need to arrest a lot of ppl, but if it were strictly the troublemakers, it's probably not that many people

[SkinnyPupp]

The anti-mask law, if it goes into effect, only serves to add fuel to the fire. It's the same law Ukraine enacted right before the protests turned to flat out riots. And if you think HKers are rioting now, go look at the Ukraine footage and see what actual riots look like.

If the government wants more violence, more shootings, and if they want people to die, enacting this colonial law is exactly what they need to do.

Enacting it can only mean two things: they WANT more violence, or they are REALLY FUCKING STUPID. I honestly don't know which it is. Maybe both?

[StylinRed]

Yeah the only way I could see it working, is as I mentioned, if they had large enough detention centres, to lock everyone up and deny bail until trial

If all they're going to do is make a no mask law, then it'll be messy

Having said that though, I'm surprised HK never had that law in place already, almost everywhere has that, even Canada, and max sentence is 10yrs here

[SkinnyPupp]

almost everywhere has that, even Canada, and max sentence is 10yrs here
I'm ignorant about that law... Can you show me more about it?

I remember reading about something like that in Quebec for taking photo ID's or something like that, but it was long ago...

[StylinRed]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-mask_law#Canada


Canada Edit
After several high-profile protests, the Canadian Parliament introduced Bill C-309, which bans the wearing of masks during a riot or other unlawful assembly.[11][12] The bill became law on June 19, 2013.[13] Those convicted of it face up to 10 years in prison.[14]

Canada's Criminal code, Section 351(2), also covers "Disguise with Intent", whereby "Every one who, with intent to commit an indictable offence, has his face masked or coloured or is otherwise disguised is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years". With some exceptions, an indictable offence in Canada is one that is subject to a fine of greater than $5,000 or imprisonment of more than six months.

in 2017 a Quebec ban on face covering for transition and government services became publicized.

[SkinnyPupp]

Thanks, that's pretty insane.

Of course the main issue of the law here isn't necessarily the law itself, it's that they'd be pushing it through without proper discourse.

[Razor Ramon HG]

Tacking onto my previous post of how Taiwan's immigration is planning to deport Chinese mainlanders that are destroying Lennon Walls and attacking others, it looks like UBC's Alma Mater Society has a Lennon Wall up now that is under camera surveillance and those who damage it will be facing disciplinary attack and expulsion from the Nest.

I'm not or was a UBC student, but it seems like the Nest is the student union building.

Some might not care about being banned from it, but it's progress and a good starting point for the rest of UBC's administration to look into (but I doubt they will care because $$$$$)

[welfare]

I think a little comic relief is in order

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NZZ15jkcyHs

[twitchyzero]

what does that even mean

there's no security checkpoints to common areas on UBC, how will they enforce a ban?

i haven't set foot into the nest in a few years but if it smells as bad as the SUB, it aint so bad getting banned there

[Nlkko]

No it isn't. It just fucking isn't. Nobody cares about Hong Kong. Only one who cares about Hong Kong are hongers. You wanna know why? Because if somebody gave a fucking shit they would have done something or stepped up to China by now. This thing has been going on for months and not a single country has dared do anything (ie offer immigration to hongers) or acted in any way that's contrary to China's stance. Sure there's some words spoken by the UK and the US but there are much bigger issues at stake globally.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/02/the-dow-is-down-over-800-points-in-two-days-heres-whats-happening.html

I just lost 50k in stocks within the last few days. People are worried about an upcoming recession. Last thing on people's minds is some Chinese city. If maybe hundreds of peoples died due to police brutality you might get more international condemnation. But so far 1 dude got shot with a live round and he's in stable condition. 1 fucking dude. In all these months. I'm still blown away.

"Thoughts and prayers" is the Western version of "outrage". This aint bad or you'd have Red Cross there by the boat. Privileged people don't really have a concept of actual "crisis".

[SkinnyPupp]

Anti-mask law having the intended effect

https://twitter.com/YuxuanMichael/status/1180061800101896193

https://twitter.com/tictoc/status/1180081211835846656

This is going to be a rough weekend.

[Badhobz]

思想和祈祷与 = Thoughts and prayers.

https://memeguy.com/photos/images/when-i-see-a-thoughts-and-prayers-post-298903.jpg

[StylinRed]

Time to reopen remaining Vietnamese refugee detention centres, and arrest the violent protesters, or else this is going to blow up

[SkinnyPupp]

Time to reopen remaining Vietnamese refugee detention centres, and arrest the violent protesters, or else this is going to blow up
They don't need to do that, there are only a few hundred violent protesters, if that. Maybe a bit over a thousand

https://twitter.com/2cats4/status/1180088677684273152

My wife barely made it home from work, everyone who isn't protesting is trying to get out of the city. Buses are barely moving, and packed, with people getting on at the exit doors at stops.

Feeling like I didn't plan ahead very well, we might be stuck at home all weekend. We should be safe from the police out here in the boonies, but getting food might be an issue if merchants can't get to work to open the doors.

Will prob be another sleepless night. I have to make sure not to engage with the trolls here.

[StylinRed]

True, I doubt the violent an anarchists are really that high in number, although after this law, I imagine the anarchists will have a few more members.

You should order a tonne of takeout right now, and just put it in your fridge/freezer

My aunt was going to get out of HK, don't know if she ended up leaving yet though, she's in her late 80s, and has a tough time as is. Lives by Victoria park, and she's basically been a shut in since this began (hard to get a hold of her cuz she can't hear her phone often)

[twdm]

思想和祈祷与 = Thoughts and prayers.

https://memeguy.com/photos/images/when-i-see-a-thoughts-and-prayers-post-298903.jpg

Still waiting for the silent majority. 4 months and counting.

[SkinnyPupp]

Undercover or off-duty cop (assuming he's a cop, not sure yet since they don't carry ID anymore), allegedly drives his car into a crowd of protesters, shoots a 14 year old, is beaten and set on fire momentarily

https://twitter.com/RamyInocencio/status/1180120018022875136

I am starting to feel bad for some of these cops, the govt is setting them up to be fall guys. Edit: I wrote that before I found out he allegedly drove into some people. Anyway wtf is he doing by himself shooting at people? Don't know enough, have to wait for more footage.

MTR train on fire,

High court is in emergency session deciding on an appeal of the anti mask law

[Mr.Money]

glad real shit is going down,its almost like pay back from what has already happen of police forces going after innocent by-standers.


its like the LA Riots when black people were being beat the shit out of from racists and couldn't stand it anymore.

[winson604]

Same stance as before, no matter what your feelings are towards the police this has got to stop. It's one thing to throw rocks or things at them but throwing petro bombs, acid, and pretty much just out to kill is so far past the line I can't even see the line anymore.

When this is finally over I wonder how many police offers need to take leave for mental health. No doubt the stress is insane. Getting hated on by people possible even family and friends. At the end of the day they are also citizens of Hong Kong and heck they may even share the same views as the people attacking them but they have a job to do and don't really have a choice.

No doubt in my mind someone is going to die soon, could be a protester or a cop. Neither will be surprising.

[SkinnyPupp]

Same stance as before, no matter what your feelings are towards the police this has got to stop. It's one thing to throw rocks or things at them but throwing petro bombs, acid, and pretty much just out to kill is so far past the line I can't even see the line anymore.

When this is finally over I wonder how many police offers need to take leave for mental health. No doubt the stress is insane. Getting hated on by people possible even family and friends. At the end of the day they are also citizens of Hong Kong and heck they may even share the same views as the people attacking them but they have a job to do and don't really have a choice.

No doubt in my mind someone is going to die soon, could be a protester or a cop. Neither will be surprising.
This could have been stopped in June. The 5 demands aren't outrageous at all, and in fact the most important one is already written into law, just being ignored.

This is 100% on the government. Everything they've done has been leading to this. I said it in June, and I'll continue to say it until proven otherwise.

There is NO WAY a normal critically thinking person would think an emergency banning of masks would be in the best interest of public safety. There is NO WAY anyone would think that people wouldn't be more outraged than ever. THEREFORE you can only assume it was done with the sole purpose of causing outrage.

[twdm]

At the end of the day they are also citizens of Hong Kong and heck they may even share the same views as the people attacking them but they have a job to do and don't really have a choice.

You do have a choice. Quit your job. Don't complain if you get lynched by the mob. You want to continue beating down citizens for money, but cry when they fight back? It's part of your pay package.

[SkinnyPupp]

https://twitter.com/jesuispoppie/status/1180146312265658376

[twdm]

Don't know if anyone posted this but yea HKPF

https://www.facebook.com/100004496071291/videos/1267376226755568/

Basically shot the kid who attacked him with a plastic rod, then the police tried to frame him with a different sharpened metal rod.

[yray]

https://i.redd.it/kwl9h2pswhq31.jpg

[SkinnyPupp]

Don't know if anyone posted this but yea HKPF

https://www.facebook.com/100004496071291/videos/1267376226755568/

Basically shot the kid who attacked him with a plastic rod, then the police tried to frame him with a different sharpened metal rod.
They've been casually doing that since the beginning. I'm not sure if it is a flat out 'frame job' but most likely they were going to use that as evidence in any hearings. They won't be able to now that the video came out.

Maybe they'll ban cameras next

Actually I wouldn't be surprised if every Huawei phone in China has a function built in where the police can shut off their cameras LUL

Also I am 100% convinced that every picture taken on a Huawei phone is sent to a database to improve their facial recognition Kappa

[winson604]

This could have been stopped in June. The 5 demands aren't outrageous at all, and in fact the most important one is already written into law, just being ignored.

This is 100% on the government. Everything they've done has been leading to this. I said it in June, and I'll continue to say it until proven otherwise.

There is NO WAY a normal critically thinking person would think an emergency banning of masks would be in the best interest of public safety. There is NO WAY anyone would think that people wouldn't be more outraged than ever. THEREFORE you can only assume it was done with the sole purpose of causing outrage.

Whether or not the 5 demands should be met or not this Carrie Lam chick does seem like a shitty leader though.

I'm really not sure what it will take for this to end. Even if the 5 demands are met at this point i'm not sure it will fully stop.

twdm - You say that with such ease. There are hundreds of reasons why it isn't as easy as you make it sound. Sure just quit and be jobless and try to find another job right? Perhaps you have a mortgage, a spouse, kids, sick parents, or even simply just paying your own rent and food. Oh but sure don't worry just quit because the choice between the stress of this situation and the stress of being jobless is fine.

[SkinnyPupp]

It should be noted that there are tons of cops that aren't out there shooting press with rubber bullets and protesters with tear gas and pepper spray while laughing and taunting, and knocking people on their asses smashing their heads into bikes, and pushing people down escalators and walking away, and cracking skulls with batons with no criminal charges, and sexually abusing men and women.

etc.

Most of them are just trying to keep the peace, which unfortunately means they're being set up by their government, since the government is trying to do the opposite.

[6793026]

* edited. Skinny already posted.

Undercover or off-duty cop (assuming he's a cop, not sure yet since they don't carry ID anymore), allegedly drives his car into a crowd of protesters, shoots a 14 year old, is beaten and set on fire momentarily


It was all over the news and I didnt believe it until I saw the clip.

Not sure what the story is; even the news was vague on whether he did shoot a kid or not. But throwing someothing setting him on fire was wtffff moment for me.

[Tim Budong]

MTR announced that it will not have service for Saturday Oct5th 2019

[Mr.HappySilp]

MTR announced that it will not have service for Saturday Oct5th 2019

LOL no service from MTR. Are they trying to piss off more people by not providing ways people can get around the city hoping so less people will come back to protest?

[StylinRed]

LOL no service from MTR. Are they trying to piss off more people by not providing ways people can get around the city hoping so less people will come back to protest?

A train was set on fire... rampant violence is occurring, why would the trains be in service

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/ddblog/men_vs_train/

Train being attacked with passengers aboard

[StylinRed]

Just saw this

https://twitter.com/tictoc/status/1180013445803986944?s=21

The old white member of the "press" got in front of the banker, closed the door, thereby blocking the bankers exit, so that he could be swarmed by the crowd, for simply saying "we're all Chinese"

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-04/jpmorgan-banker-punched-by-hong-kong-protester-as-tensions-mount?

[yray]

Just saw this

https://twitter.com/tictoc/status/1180013445803986944?s=21

The old white member of the "press" got in front of the banker, closed the door, thereby blocking the bankers exit, so that he could be swarmed by the crowd, for simply saying "we're all Chinese"

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-04/jpmorgan-banker-punched-by-hong-kong-protester-as-tensions-mount?

don't use him as your private banker, dude has poor risk comprehension :lawl:

he managed to get all the way to pick up his pret a manger, whats the point of screaming into a crowd infornt of his office door

[StylinRed]

don't use him as your private banker, dude has poor risk comprehension :lawl:

he managed to get all the way to pick up his pret a manger, whats the point of screaming into a crowd infornt of his office door

Eh he wanted to express himself whatever. Lol

I'm just surprised at that supposed journalists actions, even the banker was like "seriously dude" it could've ended up a lot worse

[JDMEK9]

Just saw this

https://twitter.com/tictoc/status/1180013445803986944?s=21

The old white member of the "press" got in front of the banker, closed the door, thereby blocking the bankers exit, so that he could be swarmed by the crowd, for simply saying "we're all Chinese"

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-04/jpmorgan-banker-punched-by-hong-kong-protester-as-tensions-mount?

https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/dd427y/central_employee_attacked_for_pro_establishment/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x

Here's a long version of the video

[StylinRed]

You can see the hurt in his face from being told to go home, to the point that he had to yell out were all one people.. Aww feel bad for the guy, makes me dislike that "journalist" even more

[SkinnyPupp]

What? That guy wasn't blocking the door, he went by it to get a better angle for pictures. Other people made it through the door just fine. Just that the banker had to try to regain some face by giving the photographer the stink-eye LUL

The extended video shows that the banker is absolutely infuriated by "losing face" in front of a crowd.He was so worried about losing face, he had to yell a fascist remark at dozens of people who were yelling at him, after them being beat down and abused and taunted by their own government and police force for 4 months. I always hate victim blaming, but I am less sympathetic towards fascists.

BTW you don't "simply say" we're all Chinese. When you say it that way, and in today's context, you're not trying to unify people by race, you're making an statement about nationality, and that HK and its people should be loyal and subservient to the tyrannical regime that has conquered them. So no, he did not "simply say" anything. He yelled a fascist remark.

He had every opportunity to just leave, but he didn't want to "lose face". He was sitting there giving that white dude the stink-eye, instead of just going inside (which the security had been trying to get him to do the whole time)

Not to victim blame, but if you're gonna be a fascist, maybe don't show it in front of angry groups of people. Not at this time and environment FailFish

[SkinnyPupp]

LOL no service from MTR. Are they trying to piss off more people by not providing ways people can get around the city hoping so less people will come back to protest?
When platform control centers look like this

https://i.imgur.com/W5P6LlB.jpg

It's not like they have a choice LUL

And BTW this is one of the out of the way stations, not even right in the city. I imagine some of the other stations are in even worse shape. Also state run banks, businesses run by self-outed fascists, and ones run by triads.

[Tim Budong]

When platform control centers look like this

https://i.imgur.com/W5P6LlB.jpg

It's not like they have a choice LUL

And BTW this is one of the out of the way stations, not even right in the city. I imagine some of the other stations are in even worse shape. Also state run banks, businesses run by self-outed fascists, and ones run by triads.

tko station

[StylinRed]

https://youtu.be/7QaGc08_dN8

Bunch of clips strewn together

[SkinnyPupp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpkFRsSo30o

A good investigation into the night of the Yuen Long police/triad attack. I think most people know it from short clips here and there, and just the fact that the police are accused of being complicit in a gang attack.

Watch the video and see just how bad it was. Police were definitely complicit in allowing hundreds of triad members (some brought down from China) to attack protesters and civilians.

Just another thing to keep in mind and put things into context when you see people lashing out. Not saying that anything justifies violence, but it definitely explains it. 4 months of this has added up to this point. People are no longer chanting "add oil" as in "keep asking our demands until we get them". They are chanting "revolt".

My theory is that Xi is trying to put HK into a state where they have to dissolve the local government, and just have HK ruled by China directly, in 2020 instead of 2047. They are using citizens and police as violent pawns in this game, and it's beyond disgusting.

[SkinnyPupp]

tko station
Po Lam

[StylinRed]

My theory is that Xi is trying to put HK into a state where they have to dissolve the local government, and just have HK ruled by China directly, in 2020 instead of 2047. They are using citizens and police as violent pawns in this game, and it's beyond disgusting.

Yeah I think I said something like that too awhile back, I'm just surprised that it's actually panning out that way

[twitchyzero]

whys' the mtr still running at all

if it's really state-backed and people are destroying it then just shut it down completely

abuse it = lose it, see how long 7M people crammed into a tiny state can go without one of the busiest metro systems

[twdm]

whys' the mtr still running at all

if it's really state-backed and people are destroying it then just shut it down completely

abuse it = lose it, see how long 7M people crammed into a tiny state can go without one of the busiest metro systems

I still don't think you get it yet. The goal of the protestors now is to cause as much economic damage as possible. Losing the MTR furthers their goal.

[welfare]

He had every opportunity to just leave, but he didn't want to "lose face". He was sitting there giving that white dude the stink-eye, instead of just going inside (which the security had been trying to get him to do the whole time)

And the crowd had every opportunity not to swarm him and chant. The guy in black had every opportunity not to rush in and start beating on him.


maybe don't show it in front of angry groups of people. Not at this time and environment FailFish

I think the term you're looking for is mob.

[dachinesedude]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/dd427y/central_employee_attacked_for_pro_establishment/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x

Here's a long version of the video

he was surrounded by cameras right off the bat, so what happened before the video start? i cant see him getting that much attention unless he did something

[twitchyzero]

The goal of the protestors now is to cause as much economic damage as possible. Losing the MTR furthers their goal.

the citizens of HK want to inflict as much economic damage as possible to themselves to 'show' the govt?

even if that's true, sometimes it takes severing a limb to stop the infection...and in the eyes of the communists that infection is democratic values

i have only used mtr briefly, are there lots of new projects that have not been paid off? would shutting down for 6 weeks hurt riders more or the company?

if it's more the former then i think that's an obvious way to get protesters to further turn on themselves...just cut them off from rapid transit completely so they cant go to work/go to the hospital/see family

[yray]

MTR is like our ICBC/ BC ferries but it makes a shitload of money, it also operates subway systems throughout the world.

They are attacking it because of the shit show at Prince Edward and Yuen Long stations, the violence is the payback against the corporation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELy9fOX8vtc

[StylinRed]

he was surrounded by cameras right off the bat, so what happened before the video start? i cant see him getting that much attention unless he did something

According to comments, he was out picking up his lunch, and was speaking mandarin, then he started getting heckled, and swarmed

[twdm]

the citizens of HK want to inflict as much economic damage as possible to themselves to 'show' the govt?

even if that's true, sometimes it takes severing a limb to stop the infection...and in the eyes of the communists that infection is democratic values

i have only used mtr briefly, are there lots of new projects that have not been paid off? would shutting down for 6 weeks hurt riders more or the company?

if it's more the former then i think that's an obvious way to get protesters to further turn on themselves...just cut them off from rapid transit completely so they cant go to work/go to the hospital/see family

I would recommend you watch the latest joker movie. I watched it a few days ago and found so many parallels with what is happening in Hong Kong now. The most extreme of the protesters have nothing to lose.

The protesters have likely already done billions of dollars in economic damage at the cost of maybe a few million dollars for gas masks and other supplies. For every dollar they spend, they get maybe 1000+ times the return. That's a deal anyone would take let alone people who want the government to burn with them.

Lastly, you would be pretty naive to believe that the only damage done is to the MTR. All the industries in Hong Kong would be damaged indirectly by its shutdown.

[SkinnyPupp]

Headed into town in TKO today to stock up on food for the weekend. I'm planning on staying home all weekend. Pretty chaotic. East Point City mall was closed completely, which is interesting because it's one of the few non-MTR owned malls that closed today. In fact it's owned by Sun Hung Kai/Li Ka Sing's company, who is very much seen as sympathetic to the protests (in fact he just donated $1 billion HKD (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-04/hong-kong-s-richest-man-steps-up-charity-as-protests-roil-city) to help small businesses affected by the protests) All Park N Shop and Watsons were also closed today, two more SHK properties. Edit: Jardines are closing their stores early, which include wellcome, mannings (groceries and pharmacy) and all 7-11's will be closed by 5pm today

ATM machines are all out of cash, or inaccessible (since they're mostly found in MTR stations). We all had to do the "pay with debit and pull some cash" thing, which has a $500 HKD limit each time.

Some small signs of last night's carnage. A traffic light and pedestrian crossing were trashed. There were no police controlling the intersection, so people had to wait and run across when there was no traffic.

The usual fascist-run storefronts were defaced. I spotted a Yoshinoya, a MX (Maxim's fast food) and a Genki Sushi (maxims) had their windows broken and logos defaced. Didn't get to see Starbucks since it was in the closed mall.

https://i.imgur.com/eUgpIa7.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/m2eNW19.jpg

Thankfully the mall next door was open, as was the wet market. As you can guess, it was chaotic, as people rushed out to gather food and supplies for the weekend. I don't know if this comes across in the photo, but it was way more busy than usual on a Saturday afternoon. I was there just after noon, and there was still plenty of food to go around, thankfully. Was able to stock up on enough fresh produce and fruit and meat for the weekend.

https://i.imgur.com/ipa2kuk.jpg

Wellcome supermarket was open as well, but there weren't enough shopping carts to go around. Also the queue snaked through the entire store, almost out the entrance itself. It took about 45 minutes to pay for groceries here.

https://i.imgur.com/W2Ng1ai.jpg

Back to the bus terminus, one of the biggest Lennon Walls is in Hang Hau, and there were posters going so high, I imagine they had to use ladders to get up there. They have an English Language section, but all the posters there were torn down and not yet replaced. Some new graffiti was put up as well.

https://i.imgur.com/v8lJrDR.jpg

On the way out, I saw some police trying to control traffic in a roundabout (if you've ever been to HK you know how much they love roundabouts, and there's a car accident in them almost every time I go through this one in particular). He was trying to stop traffic so they could leave the scene, but the driver absolutely ignored him and pretty much just about run him over. Poor fucker just rolled his eyes and looked so pissed. I don't know if this was an act of defiance or sheer stupidity, as I've seen people cut off and not stop for ambulances and fire trucks, so who really knows. Just thought it was interesting to see with my own eyes, how much some people have no respect for the police, even just traffic cops trying to clear up an accident.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

but how many people can the police really arrest everyday? Lets say they arrest 1000 people a day... They'll still need at least half a year to bring in all of the radical protestors.

I'm pretty sure the protestors will find creative ways to deal with this "law"... People on LIHKG are already planning to wear burkas.

then they will do it over a half a year.

it's already been almost half a year anyways. This could go on for a year easily LOL.

perhaps they've already planned this to be a battle of attrition and the economic loss is already factored in and china be like "we can take that loss, its just money, we can make it back"

but they'll make the people pay. and they'll want the world to see them (china) win.

the economic loss is worth it. its nothing. a drop in the bucket.

[twitchyzero]

Lastly, you would be pretty naive to believe that the only damage done is to the MTR. All the industries in Hong Kong would be damaged indirectly by its shutdown.

yes the protesters are getting desperate, so is the local govt...shut everything down for a few weeks...see if it curbs a bit of the unrest

there's already enough strife that people are stockpiling food reserves like it's a natural disaster...turn it into a few weeks of total shutdown and many will crack under the pressure

neither sides want things to drag on, the only winner will be beijing

[StylinRed]

Protesters targeted medical clinics too, molotoved em, like wtf

[SkinnyPupp]

then they will do it over a half a year.

it's already been almost half a year anyways. This could go on for a year easily LOL.

perhaps they've already planned this to be a battle of attrition and the economic loss is already factored in and china be like "we can take that loss, its just money, we can make it back"

but they'll make the people pay. and they'll want the world to see them (china) win.

the economic loss is worth it. its nothing. a drop in the bucket.
Do you think China is currently in a strong situation economically?

[SkinnyPupp]

As some lawyers predicted, a lawsuit has been filed against Carrie Lam for enacting that colonial law

https://twitter.com/stuartlauscmp/status/1180439118087688193

[buhdeh]

https://mobile.twitter.com/yskevinhuang/status/1179250578666471424?s=19

Aberdeen station

LMAO. Only mainlanders would act hard while looking like that. Homo thugs.

[SkinnyPupp]

https://twitter.com/HeungGongJai/status/1180418615901745152

https://twitter.com/rachelblundy/status/1180464703002165255

Cops tackle youths for wearing masks, despite not being in an assembly, legal or otherwise. They were let go without charges.

[SkinnyPupp]

https://twitter.com/ayanchiu/status/1180421721867735041

Cops throw a garbage can onto people from an overhead walkway

[twitchyzero]

hkpf = bullies' paradise
living their best thug life

[StylinRed]

Not sure on the validity of this, but protesters set fire to a store, with seniors living upstairs who had to be hospitalized due to smoke inhalation

https://twitter.com/timdayipper/status/1180179642390478854


And protesters are blocking the fire department from attending fires now

[threezero]

Clearly the senior’s fault for living above a store own by facist.

[SkinnyPupp]

Are you guys suggesting the protesters targeted those people? :seriously:

[StylinRed]

Just proves that the wanton violence, and destruction is done with a complete lack of consideration to fellow hong kongers, and is completely out of hand

Even the reaction to the story by protesters is just utter denial, and shows no sympathy for the innocent people they could've killed, and mayve caused irreparable damage to.

It's along the same lines of the hkpf being /shrug over hurting protesters/press, but worse, since these seniors are neither protesters/police, they didn't have a choice of being in the line of fire

But that's only if the story is legit, I can't find anything on it except the twitter post and a reddit thread

[SkinnyPupp]

Just proves that the wanton violence, and destruction is done with a complete lack of consideration to fellow hong kongers, and is completely out of hand

Even the reaction to the story by protesters is just utter denial, and shows no sympathy for the innocent people they could've killed, and mayve caused irreparable damage to.

It's along the same lines of the hkpf being /shrug over hurting protesters/press, but worse, since these seniors are neither protesters/police, they didn't have a choice of being in the line of fire

But that's only if the story is legit, I can't find anything on it except the twitter post and a reddit thread
I agree, it's out of hand. Thank the police for getting us here.

If I lived above a triad run store, I would be worried for my safety as well.

The situation REALLY FUCKING SUCKS, but condemning people online isn't really doing anything but making you feel morally superior. I don't know why you keep doing it. The focus should be on the people who have FULL CONTROL OF THE SITUATION. That's the government and police. Stop assaulting, harassing, taunting, abusing people, answer some demands, and maybe triads and fascists will stop being attacked, and there will be less collateral damage. Stop provoking more violence by using an old colonial (and possibly illegal) law that will OBVIOUSLY provoke people towards more violence and anger.

The actions of violence really suck, and should never happen. 6 months ago, and for decades before that, HK was one of the safest big cities (if not the safest) to live on earth. But these people are under influence of tyranny. They're cornered, and lashing out. Condemning the acts, wtf is the point? I'm such a good person because I would never set fire to a place or attack a cop. Good for me I guess?

[SkinnyPupp]

BTW some more footage FINALLY came out of that undercover cop shooting the 14 year old. This time you can see what got the crowd upset - he drove straight into a group of people (yes they were on the street) and got out of his car and shot the kid.

https://twitter.com/JanetTeddy111/status/1180363925084180481

There have been so many incidents where dudes by themselves start attacking groups of protesters with huge knives and axes, only to (obviously) get shit stomped. I don't even know what they're thinking. One dropped his wallet and it had no HKID in it, only a China ID.

[SkinnyPupp]

hkpf = bullies' paradise
living their best thug life
https://twitter.com/Ellenpak4/status/1180503561081253888

Family goes for an after-dinner walk with their 3 year old, get harassed and taunted by police, telling them they're in an illegal assembly

[StylinRed]

lmao �� why condemn and point out the wrongdoing... Brilliant


That video still doesn't show the lead up though, just a different angle of what we've seen, from the crowd behind the vehicle

The commentator said he's suspected of hitting a pedestrian, I can see him trying to edge his car through the crowd and getting people heated though, that makes sense, we see that happen downtown every weekend, maybe he even gave one of them a love tap... Let's burn him alive

[SkinnyPupp]

lmao �� why condemn and point out the wrongdoing... Brilliant


That video still doesn't show the lead up though, just a different angle of what we've seen, from the crowd behind the vehicle

The commentator said he's suspected of hitting a pedestrian, I can see him trying to edge his car through the crowd and getting people heated though, that makes sense, we see that happen downtown every weekend, maybe he even gave one of them a love tap... Let's burn him alive
Edit: I just want to say that I absolutely 100% agree that they shouldn't be using fire in their "refurbishing" efforts against triad/fascist stores. I hope they take this incident as a warning that fire is very hard to control, and while you may destroy a triad den, you could also harm innocent people in the area. I obviously don't participate, but I hope someone brought this up. Simply admonishing is pointless, but perhaps they can learn from the incident.

So I wonder what caused people to storm his car, instead of the other cars that were stuck in the blockade. Or every car that got caught up in protests when they first start? Must have just been random right? Or maybe he did what everyone says he did, and drove into some people.

[SkinnyPupp]

https://twitter.com/rhokilpatrick/status/1180548785673392128

[StylinRed]

Thanks! It's making a huge difference SeemsGood

So I wonder what caused people to storm his car, instead of the other cars that were stuck in the blockade. Or every car that got caught up in protests when they first start? Must have just been random right? Or maybe he did what everyone says he did, and drove into some people.

Well yeah like I said it's perfectly reasonable to imagine him trying to edge his way thru the crowd, we see that here even, so I could see that being what riled up the crowd

[SkinnyPupp]

Well yeah like I said it's perfectly reasonable to imagine him trying to edge his way thru the crowd, we see that here even, so I could see that being what riled up the crowd
Yeah we've seen it happen a few times during the protests. The more angry drivers try to push their way through and end up getting cones and bottles thrown at their cars as they make a getaway. More calm people will wait for things to clear up, and then request that people make way so they can get home.

HK is fucked right now, now is not the time to be impatient with people or worse, pick fights with them. Especially if you have a fucking gun. Be like water SeemsGood

[6793026]

One of the 5 demands are met. Anyone seriously think the other 4 would ever be fulfilled?
Can anyone agree on which demand would never be passed? I honestly think 'the release of arrested protesters' would be a hard no.

Just answer to the demands... they say....

Well... Even if Carrie admits fault, passes 3 of the 4, I can't see the violence stopping. People will continue to riot hoping for the last demand.

I really don't know how HK is going to get out of this pickle.

[ae101]

carry lam is trying very hard to prove herself, especially in from of the ccp

she think shes margaret thatcher trying be her own version of the iron lady, but that shit wont work here in hk (look where it lead us to) and this isnt the first time, even before she was CE she never negotiate with any one of lol

[J-Chow]

One of the 5 demands are met. Anyone seriously think the other 4 would ever be fulfilled?
Can anyone agree on which demand would never be passed? I honestly think 'the release of arrested protesters' would be a hard no.

Just answer to the demands... they say....

Well... Even if Carrie admits fault, passes 3 of the 4, I can't see the violence stopping. People will continue to riot hoping for the last demand.

I really don't know how HK is going to get out of this pickle.

Im gonna say that's a big "No".

Of the 5 demands, maybe the separate inquiry into police abuse I could see it happening and dual suffrage, but definitely not the release of the arrested individuals, and the changing of the term rioter to protestor.

What's going to probably happen in the long term, is Hong Kong's taxes will increase due to the increased police workload, along with all other public services to repair all damages across the city, ppl will get pissed. Protests will happen again.

It'll repeat itself over and over and over again, until the economy completely collapses. There is no fixing this situation. Its practically gambling "go big or go home " type of scenario.

[twdm]

What's going to probably happen in the long term, is Hong Kong's taxes will increase due to the increased police workload, along with all other public services to repair all damages across the city, ppl will get pissed. Protests will happen again.
I wouldn't say they would raise taxes. The HK government's fiscal reserves are about 2 trillion HKD. I'm pretty sure we're the richest city in the world.

[SkinnyPupp]

https://twitter.com/jesuispoppie/status/1180788749740806145

[SkinnyPupp]

https://twitter.com/dalj_k/status/1180786423491776512

https://twitter.com/PassionTimes/status/1180782787395117056

[StylinRed]

There's a clip of him flying thru the streets just prior to that too, witness said he was road raging due to being stuck behind the protests

One of him being beaten also

And of protesters saving his life

What a nut, luckily he didn't kill anyone

[SkinnyPupp]

Same taxi found in a pro-China rally on Oct 1 (you can see it on the left side, 6 seconds in)

https://streamable.com/gcxzr

I know this doesn't really "mean anything" but damn

[SkinnyPupp]

https://twitter.com/rthk_enews/status/1180822016003149824

[buhdeh]

Houston Rockets GM posted a tweet in support of HK and now getting swarmed by the Chinese 50 cent gang. Apparently they will stop covering the Rockets in China now lmao. What a bunch of losers.

[twitchyzero]

https://twitter.com/rhokilpatrick/status/1180548785673392128

ok and how do you tell which side a business is leaning on? intel from mob mentality unequivocally accurate that won't be biased from emotions/adrenaline?
and let's say they do successfully ruin a shop that voices support for the government, then what?
they do this enough and the gov't will give in to other demands? i somehow doubt it

nice vandalism guide, good witch hunt SeemsGood
lmao at HKers running their own city into the ground
seriously it just looks like police brutality is a scapegoat to cause destruction
no police = no violence, hmm so were the police around when they caused some arson? i thought only peaceful protests then LUL

[6793026]

let's say they do successfully ruin a shop that voices support for the government, then what?
they do this enough and the gov't will give in to other demands? i somehow doubt it


I agree with you on this.... sadly, no one else can comprehend reasoning. Their justification: vandalism is justified because eg// MTR is gov't owned and by disrupting HK economy it will force government to respond and cave in. (that's the jist of it, it's also cause MTR didn't release the video of the attack of cops inside of the innocent men / women (forgot which date it is).)


carry lam is trying very hard to prove herself, especially in from of the ccp

she think shes margaret thatcher trying be her own version of the iron lady, but that shit wont work here in hk (look where it lead us to) and this isnt the first time, even before she was CE she never negotiate with any one of lol

I don't know how to comprehend this.
Wasn't there a private clip / statement / recording stating she wanted to quit /resign but China wouldn't let her. Now she wants to prove herself?

If I was the Chinese gov't. "Carrie, you want one country, two systems, you deal with this shit yourself."

If I was leading right now, I would be like.. FUCK THIS SHIT, i'm outta here. I'm stepping down. ahahahahha

[whitev70r]

Gong show at Aberdeen ... I mean the one in Richmond, not HK.

[Ch28]

Gong show at Aberdeen ... I mean the one in Richmond, not HK.

It makes no sense whatsoever.

If China is so great, then why the fuck are you in Canada? Go fuck off back to China

[StylinRed]

What is something going on at Aberdeen today?

It makes no sense whatsoever.

If China is so great, then why the fuck are you in Canada? Go fuck off back to China

That line of thinking makes no sense either though. If you think some place is great, you can't go anywhere else? wtf

[whitev70r]

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=1798069&jwsource=cl

Tensions in Metro Vancouver over the situation in Hong Kong continued Saturday, with Mounties keeping pro- and anti-Hong Kong demonstrators separated at a SkyTrain station in Richmond.

Witnesses say the RCMP kept the pro-China and pro-Hong Kong groups physically separated as they faced off at the Aberdeen Canada Line station, where supporters of Hong Kong had rebuilt a so-called "Lennon Wall" featuring messages of solidarity with pro-democracy protesters.

https://twitter.com/mickicowan/status/1180611450852655104

https://twitter.com/i/status/1180644374847180800

[twitchyzero]

more press caught in the ridiculous crossfire
good job on the mollies guys...keep them coming at innocents
at least the journalists know what they're getting themselves into, unlike the seniors that have their lungs choked out by the hooligans

https://cdn.i-scmp.com/sites/default/files/d8/images/methode/2019/10/07/cc5822b4-e83f-11e9-8a10-b9721f28293e_1320x770_070719.JPG

[StylinRed]

Wow I guess they didn't know about our anti mask laws

It would have been hilarious if both sides sang the Canadian national anthem, instead of one side singing the Chinese one

[SpeedStars]

Is it wrong to think that these public displays have no reason for them to be in Canada? Other than drumming up support for either party, Canada itself is not involved nor would Canada have any effect on the demands of either party. All we get is some diulaylomo and some ciaonimas coming from both sides while I sip on some lemon tea

[SkinnyPupp]

Is it wrong to think that these public displays have no reason for them to be in Canada? Other than drumming up support for either party, Canada itself is not involved nor would Canada have any effect on the demands of either party. All we get is some diulaylomo and some ciaonimas coming from both sides while I sip on some lemon tea
The whole world is affected by China's tyranny in some way. In some sectors it's a little, in some it's a lot. Other countries are having issues as well. And BTW I don't mean immigration, so others around here, don't bother trying to put intolerant words in my mouth.

This isn't a small deal. This isn't JUST about the extradition bill. It's not JUST about police brutality. It's not JUST about human rights violations. China is moving towards a very dangerous, aggressive path that the free world will need to deal with eventually. I think the sooner, the better. They've already practically "bought off" much of Africa, so they now "control" basically most of the world's population. That might not mean much now, but it might in the future.

[SkinnyPupp]

There are calls from a segment of the protesters to "readjust" their methodology, the argument being that they are getting too widespread with the vandalism and violence. They believe there are agents provocateurs not only out on the streets, but online as well, provoking regular protesters to be more violent. I think this is a great idea, and I hope it's effective.

The use of fire in particular bothers me. Go ahead and "refurbish" triad dens and deface maxims if you want. Beat up idiots who come at you with knives, axes, and bamboo poles (normally I'd say call the cops, but come on). Smash taxi cars that try to kill dozens of people by driving straight through them. But don't fucking use fire.

I hope they take things down a notch or two.

[SkinnyPupp]

https://twitter.com/chahongkong/status/1181000803726716928

[SkinnyPupp]

Not sure on the validity of this, but protesters set fire to a store, with seniors living upstairs who had to be hospitalized due to smoke inhalation

https://twitter.com/timdayipper/status/1180179642390478854


And protesters are blocking the fire department from attending fires now
BTW I looked into this incident for more info, and the only thing I could find was that it was police tear gas that caused it, not a fire in a 360 mart, and fascist social media accounts made up the story.

At this point there is absolutely no way to tell who is telling the truth. This particular tweet is from a fascist shill who is just tweeting a screenshot, so we obviously can't just take his word on it (edit: actually he deleted his twitter), considering the screenshot he's tweeting could also be a fascist account putting out "fake news"

I stand by my point that fire should not be used though. Whether this happened or not, it easily could if they try burning down these triad shops.

[StylinRed]

This is what ppl should be protesting
Edit: whoops wrong link
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-uighur-muslim-women-abortions-sexual-abuse-genocide-a9144721.html
China accused of genocide over forced abortions of Uighur Muslim women as escapees reveal widespread sexual torture
Such abuses aimed at curbing women’s ability to reproduce are common in Xinjiang, experts say


I wonder sometimes if China is allowing the HK protests to go on because it takes attention away from what's going on in Xinjiang


https://twitter.com/chahongkong/status/1181000803726716928

Eh... Come on hands are going to be going everywhere when dealing with a struggling suspect

And as feminists would say their chests are the same as men's chests, stop sexualizing it

[Ch28]

That line of thinking makes no sense either though. If you think some place is great, you can't go anywhere else? wtf

Hong Kong supports democracy
China supports communism & dictatorship control

People supporting Hong Kong = people supporting the rule of democracy like the rest of the free world

People supporting China = delusional morons that think communism under the dictatorship rule of Winnie the Pooh is superior

Mainlanders supporting communism in a DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY is fucking ludicrous. If you think democracy is so bad and communism is #1 then why the fuck are you living and leeching off of all the things that make a democratic society so good?

Jesus christ, are you that fucking stupid that you need someone to spell it out for you?

[twitchyzero]

Is it wrong to think that these public displays have no reason for them to be in Canada? Other than drumming up support for either party, Canada itself is not involved nor would Canada have any effect on the demands of either party. All we get is some diulaylomo and some ciaonimas coming from both sides while I sip on some lemon tea

a fortnight away from a federal election and people choose to spend a nice sunday afternoon dishing out diu's & tsao's :moderated:

[StylinRed]

Hong Kong supports democracy
China supports communism & dictatorship control

People supporting Hong Kong = people supporting the rule of democracy like the rest of the free world

People supporting China = delusional morons that think communism under the dictatorship rule of Winnie the Pooh is superior

Mainlanders supporting communism in a DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY is fucking ludicrous. If you think democracy is so bad and communism is #1 then why the fuck are you living and leeching off of all the things that make a democratic society so good?

Jesus christ, are you that fucking stupid that you need someone to spell it out for you?

None of that matters... People are still allowed to travel anywhere they want in the world, and voice their opinions

Getting angry that ppl don't share your views to the point youre telling them to 'go back where they came from' is fucking insane

[Razor Ramon HG]

GM of the Houston Rockets tweeted in support of Hong Kong and now the team is basically banned in all of China. Companies are killing ties with the Rockets, e.g. Tencent will no longer air digital games. Even Chinese basketball forums have removed the Rockets sections. Keep in mind, the Houston Rockets was the team that Yao Ming played for his entire career and he's one of the biggest NBA ambassadors ever in the country.

Taiwanese people know first-hand for decades how the Chinese government has been bullying them, now the Western world can see for themselves just how ridiculous things are. Unless people stand up to the CCP, things can only get worse as they exert influence into our every day lives.

[whitev70r]

Here is where the logic of democracy presents a quandry.

One of the pillars of democracy is freedom of speech, religion, beliefs and by implication, different political views. So to conclude that in a democratic society, you cannot hold a particular opposing political view (even if it is communism) means that you are essentially a dictator, the very thing you oppose.

In other words, in a democratic country, you have the right to believe in communism. AND you have the right to live there. Yes, you do. This is simple grade 9 political science.

[twdm]

Here is where the logic of democracy presents a quandry.

One of the pillars of democracy is freedom of speech, religion, beliefs and by implication, different political views. So to conclude that in a democratic society, you cannot hold a particular opposing political view (even if it is communism) means that you are essentially a dictator, the very thing you oppose.

In other words, in a democratic country, you have the right to believe in communism. AND you have the right to live there. Yes, you do. This is simple grade 9 political science.
Yes, you have the right to believe in communism. You also have the right to believe in anti vax, the spaghetti god, and the flat earth theory. It doesn't mean I can't think you're an idiot and should go back to China.

Believes that the abolition of personal rights and freedom of speech is best for society but decides to live in a country that guarantees those freedoms. Hurrr durrr

[SkinnyPupp]

GM of the Houston Rockets tweeted in support of Hong Kong and now the team is basically banned in all of China. Companies are killing ties with the Rockets, e.g. Tencent will no longer air digital games. Even Chinese basketball forums have removed the Rockets sections. Keep in mind, the Houston Rockets was the team that Yao Ming played for his entire career and he's one of the biggest NBA ambassadors ever in the country.

Taiwanese people know first-hand for decades how the Chinese government has been bullying them, now the Western world can see for themselves just how ridiculous things are. Unless people stand up to the CCP, things can only get worse as they exert influence into our every day lives.
To your second point, apparently the Taiwan flag has been removed from the apple keyboard in the latest ios in HK and Macau (it's always been missing in China of course). I think it will still show the emoji, but there's not an easy way to use it from the keyboard itself, unlike other flags

[SkinnyPupp]

Eh... Come on hands are going to be going everywhere when dealing with a struggling suspect

And as feminists would say their chests are the same as men's chests, stop sexualizing it

Point 1, I totally agree, it's possible that hands slip while making arrests. However I absolutely disagree that this case was a coincidence. You can see a pinching and grabbing motion, and then with the other hand as she tries to protect herself.

To me this is a case of a cop assaulting her, making her feel violated. I have no idea what she did to get arrested, but to me this looks like it goes beyond a normal arrest.

As for your second point, I don't think this is the thread to get into that... You can go argue that somewhere else lol

[SkinnyPupp]

Here is where the logic of democracy presents a quandry.

One of the pillars of democracy is freedom of speech, religion, beliefs and by implication, different political views. So to conclude that in a democratic society, you cannot hold a particular opposing political view (even if it is communism) means that you are essentially a dictator, the very thing you oppose.

In other words, in a democratic country, you have the right to believe in communism. AND you have the right to live there. Yes, you do. This is simple grade 9 political science.
Agreed, but at the same time, if you believe in fascism and want to spread fascism in Canada: fuck you.

[SkinnyPupp]

Not really protest related, but police related (or is it airport security?). Be sure to have your speakers on to hear the exasperation in the driver's voice as he informs this idiot that he has a dashcam FailFish

https://twitter.com/raykwong/status/1181034349489115136

[Mr.HappySilp]

The whole world is affected by China's tyranny in some way. In some sectors it's a little, in some it's a lot. Other countries are having issues as well. And BTW I don't mean immigration, so others around here, don't bother trying to put intolerant words in my mouth.

This isn't a small deal. This isn't JUST about the extradition bill. It's not JUST about police brutality. It's not JUST about human rights violations. China is moving towards a very dangerous, aggressive path that the free world will need to deal with eventually. I think the sooner, the better. They've already practically "bought off" much of Africa, so they now "control" basically most of the world's population. That might not mean much now, but it might in the future.

Little too late. Must of Europe, Canada, US, Africa, Tons of Asia is already bought off/in China's pocket.

Look at all the theaters in US and Canada (AMC ) is already bought by Chinese company. In recent years there have been more and more Chinese movies being shown in US and Canada. It started with HK movies and then some good Chinese made movies like The farewell (which was really good btw) now to this stupid My people my country movie. That's just one small example. So many of our business are being bought (farms, supermarkets, clothings, hardware, gas, oil rigs etc etc) by Chinese company yet the gov does nothing.

So who is going to stop or challenge when most of the world country is already in China's pocket or are too busy with their own affairs (Brexit for example).

Edit: Even my wife was disgusted with how the Chinese gov act sometimes and she is from Beijing. She is even more surprise that the movie My people my country was aired in Vancouver and so many people actually go see it.

[whitev70r]

Yes, you have the right to believe in communism. You also have the right to believe in anti vax, the spaghetti god, and the flat earth theory. It doesn't mean I can't think you're an idiot and should go back to China.

Believes that the abolition of personal rights and freedom of speech is best for society but decides to live in a country that guarantees those freedoms. Hurrr durrr

So by your logic, a Canadian citizen who chooses to live and work in China (for whatever reason) is an idiot and should go back to Canada?

[SkinnyPupp]

Little too late. Must of Europe, Canada, US, Africa, Tons of Asia is already bought off/in China's pocket.

Look at all the theaters in US and Canada (AMC ) is already bought by Chinese company. In recent years there have been more and more Chinese movies being shown in US and Canada. It started with HK movies and then some good Chinese made movies like The farewell (which was really good btw) now to this stupid My people my country movie. That's just one small example. So many of our business are being bought (farms, supermarkets, clothings, hardware, gas, oil rigs etc etc) by Chinese company yet the gov does nothing.

So who is going to stop or challenge when most of the world country is already in China's pocket or are too busy with their own affairs (Brexit for example).

Edit: Even my wife was disgusted with how the Chinese gov act sometimes and she is from Beijing. She is even more surprise that the movie My people my country was aired in Vancouver and so many people actually go see it.
EU, USA, and Canada are still democratic countries. They can try to 'buy off' politicians, but they will be found out and if things get bad enough, people will turn against them and be forceful the other way. Maybe a bit harder in some countries than others. Trump is just trying to use everything for his own benefit, Warren wants to go hard against China. I'm not sure what Bernie's stance is, or Biden though.

As for showing movies, I mean where there's a big immigrant population, there will be things that cater to them. I doubt they show many China movies in saskatoon. It really sucks when you see nationalist propaganda movies being screened, but America has been doing that for years, and Canadians buy it right up. I was pretty disturbed at a young age by movies like Independence Day for instance.

(these are minor affairs but I get what you're saying)

As for who is going to challenge, hopefully everyone. The more pressure they put on the world, the more they will have to fight back. It might continue to be in a subtle way, who knows. We might be all long gone before anything happens, and it's our kids who have to worry about it. I'm glad your wife has opened her eyes. There are TONS of mainland people who aren't just fascists or even just blindly nationalist SeemsGood

Not saying they'll all become freedom fighters, but I think people need to be careful of lumping up groups together. I think any reasonable middle class person, whether they're from China or HK or Canada, should be disgusted by the displays of nationalism using luxury sports cars and throwing money at people who are protesting.

[StylinRed]

GM of the Houston Rockets tweeted in support of Hong Kong and now the team is basically banned in all of China. Companies are killing ties with the Rockets, e.g. Tencent will no longer air digital games. Even Chinese basketball forums have removed the Rockets sections. Keep in mind, the Houston Rockets was the team that Yao Ming played for his entire career and he's one of the biggest NBA ambassadors ever in the country.

Taiwanese people know first-hand for decades how the Chinese government has been bullying them, now the Western world can see for themselves just how ridiculous things are. Unless people stand up to the CCP, things can only get worse as they exert influence into our every day lives.

NBA, the team, the coach etc have all changed their tune

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-49956385

Didn't think they made enough money to care from China, but I guess not

[welfare]

Yes, you have the right to believe in communism. You also have the right to believe in anti vax, the spaghetti god, and the flat earth theory. It doesn't mean I can't think you're an idiot and should go back to China.

Believes that the abolition of personal rights and freedom of speech is best for society but decides to live in a country that guarantees those freedoms. Hurrr durrr

https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/4ae5c9a8-42ba-471d-a385-8e2dc8dc70b6/d3jha5i-731d1b4e-694c-40e6-84ae-86289642978d.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJ IUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQz NzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZT BkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6 W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcLzRhZTVjOWE4LTQyYmEtNDcxZC1hMz g1LThlMmRjOGRjNzBiNlwvZDNqaGE1aS03MzFkMWI0ZS02OTRj LTQwZTYtODRhZS04NjI4OTY0Mjk3OGQuanBnIn1dXSwiYXVkIj pbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.jT8iw0mf A9WSt65JEWMnvsk2gBQvGFe-yHsGoX3nqiE

The longest running party in Canada (aside from the liberals)
Mind boggling, isn't it? After all those millions controlled, slaughtered and starved to death wherever it's reared its head.

[Razor Ramon HG]

Little too late. Must of Europe, Canada, US, Africa, Tons of Asia is already bought off/in China's pocket.

Look at all the theaters in US and Canada (AMC ) is already bought by Chinese company. In recent years there have been more and more Chinese movies being shown in US and Canada. It started with HK movies and then some good Chinese made movies like The farewell (which was really good btw) now to this stupid My people my country movie. That's just one small example. So many of our business are being bought (farms, supermarkets, clothings, hardware, gas, oil rigs etc etc) by Chinese company yet the gov does nothing.

If you guys haven't watched it already, the latest South Park episode literally makes fun of Disney and the rest of Hollywood for pleasing China among other ongoing topics. They called it "Band in China" and guess what, it's banned in China now.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/south-park-banned-chinese-internet-critical-episode-1245783

And in case anyone wasn't aware, China is so butthurt that the original jacket of Maverick from Top Gun had the Japanese and Taiwanese flags that they removed it in the upcoming sequel.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/22/media/top-gun-flags-intl-hnk/index.html

[twitchyzero]

So by your logic, a Canadian citizen who chooses to live and work in China (for whatever reason) is an idiot and should go back to Canada?

you mean to tell me this forum is not based in HK?

skinnypupp and the rest of the HK chapter will surely be back in 27 years

[MG1]

https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/4ae5c9a8-42ba-471d-a385-8e2dc8dc70b6/d3jha5i-731d1b4e-694c-40e6-84ae-86289642978d.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJ IUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQz NzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZT BkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6 W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcLzRhZTVjOWE4LTQyYmEtNDcxZC1hMz g1LThlMmRjOGRjNzBiNlwvZDNqaGE1aS03MzFkMWI0ZS02OTRj LTQwZTYtODRhZS04NjI4OTY0Mjk3OGQuanBnIn1dXSwiYXVkIj pbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.jT8iw0mf A9WSt65JEWMnvsk2gBQvGFe-yHsGoX3nqiE

The longest running party in Canada (aside from the liberals)
Mind boggling, isn't it? After all those millions controlled, slaughtered and starved to death wherever it's reared its head.

Trying to figure out the logo..............

[Raid3n]

a gear and wheat maybe? i'm gonna break my neck trying to figure it out lol

[SkinnyPupp]

you mean to tell me this forum is not based in HK?

skinnypupp and the rest of the HK chapter will surely be back in 27 years
I never really planned to stay here OR leave after 2047. I would just it base on the situation (and by then I'd be nearly 70 so who knows wtf is going on then). I first visited here in 2003 and "one country two systems" looked like it was going to work for the most part. There weren't even mandarin announcements on the MTR, or China flags at government buildings back then. Things changed a bit gradually after 2008 or so, and have been more rapid since Xi came into power in 2013. And here we are now.

Doesn't mean I'd move back to Canada though :troll:

[twdm]

So by your logic, a Canadian citizen who chooses to live and work in China (for whatever reason) is an idiot and should go back to Canada?

Sorry Hong Kong is not China. At least not if we have anything to say about it. When it one day becomes the shithole that is China, yes I will go back to Canada.

And your comparison is not quite identical. It would rather be like a Canadian citizen who gives up his citizenship for Chinese citizenship and then goes bitches to other chinese people how democracy is so great. In this situation I would give my full support to any chinese who tells you to get the fuck out of their country.

[buhdeh]

China sure loves getting everyone to hate them. These fuckin loser ass 50 cent army idiots on Twitter/Reddit/FB/IG bombarding comments with stupid shit like nmsl; swarming ESPN reporters for liking that Rockets GM tweet. Smh. The entire r/NBA subreddit is basically anti-Chinese now because of all the bot posts.

With all the bullshit they’re constantly pulling, I can see China inciting more hatred towards Chinese people living in western countries.

[Badhobz]

yeah okay, blame the Chinese nationalists for shit that hongers started. You idiots in Hong Kong didn’t stir up meaningless shit then there wouldn’t be these pathetic demonstrations all around the word. You idiots brought that shit locally here. We didn’t. Leave that shit in your ruined city. Nobody cares. Don’t bring it here. Why the fuck do you need to setup a Lennon wall here? Go back to Hong Kong and throw firebombs, it’ll be more effective than protesting locally and sowing divide amongst the local Chinese population.

Just because somebody is a nationalist doesn’t mean they support or approve of the current government. Ask any democratic American and they’ll still say America is no1 even though they hate trump and the current administration. You guys are saying all these pro China supporters are brainwashed just like all Americans are brainwashed then? Nobody can display nationalism? I’m in Houston and most of these guys here hate trump. But they love America. That’s just like a lot of the Chinese. We love China. We love our history, our culture, and the progress we made. We might not like the current government, but we are proud nevertheless. This whole Hong Kong is special bullshit doesn’t sit well with the rest of the country and is ultimately doomed to fail even if China sticks to the agreed upon terms.

[twdm]

That’s just like a lot of the Chinese. We love China. We love our history, our culture, and the progress we made. We might not like the current government, but we are proud nevertheless.

Wait. So you're proud of China, but not proud enough to actually be Chinese. From your posts, you'd rather live under the warm embrace of the CCP. So which is it? Would you rather be Canadian or Chinese? I'm getting a lot of mixed messages here.

Plus the fact that you would willingly give up your Chinese citizenship has hurt the feelings of 1 billion Chinese.

[buhdeh]

We love China. We love our history, our culture, and the progress we made. We might not like the current government,

nmsl. Saving as evidence for Chinese courts

[whitev70r]

Yes, you have the right to believe in communism. You also have the right to believe in anti vax, the spaghetti god, and the flat earth theory. It doesn't mean I can't think you're an idiot and should go back to China.

Believes that the abolition of personal rights and freedom of speech is best for society but decides to live in a country that guarantees those freedoms. Hurrr durrr


And your comparison is not quite identical.

Just following your line of reasoning by flipping the circumstances.

If someone believes in a country that guarantees personal freedoms (eg. Canadian) and lives in a society that abolishes personal rights and freedom of speech (eg. China) then they are an idiot and should go back to Canada ...

Just pointing out the kind of sloppy thinking and logic that you and skinnydawg and others who see this conflict as so black and white instead of it being very complex and multi-factoral.

[SkinnyPupp]

We might not like the current government, but we are proud nevertheless.

agilethisafricangroundhornbill

Try going to China and go on and say how much you don't like the government EleGiggle

[Razor Ramon HG]

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3792057?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

One of the first people to be arrested (and probably deported) in TW for taking down Lennon Walls

[$_$]

Just because somebody is a nationalist doesn’t mean they support or approve of the current government. Ask any democratic American and they’ll still say America is no1 even though they hate trump and the current administration. You guys are saying all these pro China supporters are brainwashed just like all Americans are brainwashed then? Nobody can display nationalism? I’m in Houston and most of these guys here hate trump. But they love America. That’s just like a lot of the Chinese. We love China. We love our history, our culture, and the progress we made. We might not like the current government, but we are proud nevertheless. This whole Hong Kong is special bullshit doesn’t sit well with the rest of the country and is ultimately doomed to fail even if China sticks to the agreed upon terms.

Being able to think critically means we can separate and complex ideas and concepts instead of just lumping things into "black/white" or "right/wrong". Nobody is criticizing the amazing progress that China has made economically. But just because they make amazing economic progress doesn't mean they are now immune to criticism, and can do no wrong. Recent protests just goes to show how much underlying societal problems there currently are, not only in HK but all over China that is constantly getting suppressed. If economics is the only thing that mattered, why hasn't the CCP been able to entice the Taiwanese people to join the PRC? You can bet that the Taiwanese people will vote for a pro-independence leader in the coming January general elections while watching the Hong Kong saga unfold. The HK government has firmly displayed to the people that it is unwilling to own up to its mistakes, will take no criticism, and will use force and suppression instead of dialogue and communication.

Hong Kong IS special. It's literally in its name - Special Administrative Region. HK was the place where China wanted to have its cake and eat it too. They wanted to give the region freedom, in order to entice foreign investments and play with the rest of the world.

I think what the Mainlanders fail to realize is that HK is not only fighting for its own freedoms, it's fighting for the freedoms of all 1.34B Chinese people. Do you like living under authoritarian rule? Do you like not having a choice and say in your future, in what's important? Do you want your children to serve their governments, or have the governments serve them? Is expansionist ideals vs personal freedoms more important to you?


Maybe you really don't care about all that. I know plenty of politically apathetic people. But just understand that once you educate your populace, they will want more than just being told what to do. That is because through education you learn about more than just yourself and your immediate surroundings, you learn about history and the world. And smarter people, don't want to repeat the mistakes of their ancestors. This is why you see so many kids gearing up and joining the frontlines to try to do anything they can to cling onto what they currently have.

Edit:

I just wanted to add, for those that don't really understand the purpose of the front-line protestors motives and what it really means. None of these kids are under the illusion that they can somehow take on the well equipped police, or the PLA using bicycle helmets and surfboards. The whole purpose of the frontliners is to create just enough problems so that the government and the police needs to respond. And it is through their response, the population (and the world) can see what kind of government HK/CN really is. They are there just there to demonstrate the cracks within the public systems; if the government responds responsibly, owns up to its own failings (some police officers used excessive force in certain situations, we will review our policies regarding detentions and arrests, etc etc) then that will work towards gaining back public trust. You would see frontline protests ramp down. But the government has done the opposite of that, and continued to deny that they have done ANYTHING wrong, anywhere, then you will see the disintegration of trust between the public and the government. In this day and age, any interested parties can watch the livestream to get an unfiltered version of what's happening. But again and again, you will watch the government deny and blatantly lie to the public on what people can see with their own eyes.

[6793026]

You idiots in Hong Kong didn’t stir up meaningless shit then there wouldn’t be these pathetic demonstrations all around the word. You idiots brought that shit locally here.

Any peacefull riot / protest / strikes can be seen a pathetic so I can't agree with you on that. The peaceful marches in HK i support fully 100%, all the vandalism I don't. Remember just months ago, people are marching down the street, voicing their concerns. Now, it's constant news of people burning MTR stations and physical acts of violence.

You guys are saying all these pro China supporters are brainwashed just like all Americans are brainwashed then? Nobody can display nationalism? I’m in Houston and most of these guys here hate trump. But they love America. That’s just like a lot of the Chinese. We love China. We love our history, our culture, and the progress we made. We might not like the current government, but we are proud nevertheless.

You are right on this; some are crazy supporter of being american / gun rights but are super sad / ashamed of having Trump as leader.

Yes, there are people who are born in china, made a great deal of money (legally) and are proud of being Chinese. My X is a canadian, and their parents were both teachers in China; they visit Canada every 6 months and stays for 4-5 months as a time. They know fully China has some privacy / freedom issues and they love how they can watch multiple platforms here in Canada to see multiple views of politics.

[bcedhk]

yeah okay, blame the Chinese nationalists for shit that hongers started. You idiots in Hong Kong didn’t stir up meaningless shit then there wouldn’t be these pathetic demonstrations all around the word. You idiots brought that shit locally here. We didn’t. Leave that shit in your ruined city. Nobody cares. Don’t bring it here. Why the fuck do you need to setup a Lennon wall here? Go back to Hong Kong and throw firebombs, it’ll be more effective than protesting locally and sowing divide amongst the local Chinese population.

Just because somebody is a nationalist doesn’t mean they support or approve of the current government. Ask any democratic American and they’ll still say America is no1 even though they hate trump and the current administration. You guys are saying all these pro China supporters are brainwashed just like all Americans are brainwashed then? Nobody can display nationalism? I’m in Houston and most of these guys here hate trump. But they love America. That’s just like a lot of the Chinese. We love China. We love our history, our culture, and the progress we made. We might not like the current government, but we are proud nevertheless. This whole Hong Kong is special bullshit doesn’t sit well with the rest of the country and is ultimately doomed to fail even if China sticks to the agreed upon terms.

What don't you like about them? Genuinely curious.

[$_$]

Any peacefull riot / protest / strikes can be seen a pathetic so I can't agree with you on that. The peaceful marches in HK i support fully 100%, all the vandalism I don't. Remember just months ago, people are marching down the street, voicing their concerns. Now, it's constant news of people burning MTR stations and physical acts of violence.


This is something I have grappled with myself. But to put things into context, the umbrella movement (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umbrella_Movement) was already five years ago. 79 days of peaceful occupation protests, nothing happened. We are now 4-5 months into the 2019 protests; 100k people. 500k people. 1M people. 2M people, going out for peaceful demonstrations, and still, the government does nothing to appease the people's demands. The people get nothing but tear gas and riot police suppression in response. At that point, the people asked themselves, what would it take for the government to respond?

I think the tipping point was when there were ~2M people peacefully demonstrating and there was still an inadequate response from the government. This is why, despite HK being one of the safest cities in Asia you are seeing educated young kids doing targeted vandalizing as a way to escalate the situation in order to force the government to respond. And sadly, it was only after the escalation from the frontliners did you see that the government actually declare that they are formally withdrawing the extradition bill on Sept 4th. This actually ended up unifying the peaceful protestors with the frontliners, because the peaceful protestors now saw that without the pressure put on by the frontliners, this would've never happened.

[Mr.HappySilp]

A bit off topic here.

With the different voting/gov system there are always pros and cons.

Let's look at US and Canada. We get to vote locally/nationally who will lead us in the next 4 years but all the policy/promise the different party makes is so short sighted, just throw money away to get votes and no party really cares for the future of the country beyond their 4 year term. I mean yes I can vote but none of them really does anything good for our country any good in the future (10+ years). I can see some of the policy/directions they put in place might not have immediate effect but it is very good in the long run but no party ever wants to implement them. I would like changing the term longer would help.

Now if you look at China yes they have very limited freedom, basically have to do what gov tells them. But since is a one party system they can implement long term policy/plans/infrastructure which in the long run makes it a better country/place to be in(Hopefully it will be more too like more freedom). Interesting though when China enters UN, USA was the one country to push it forward trying to turn China into the world's factory. Since 2008 China owns the most US nation bond and debt and that's when things started to change for China.

[trd2343]

I'm a huge basketball fan, so I'm quite... disturbed and sad when James Harden apologizes for the comment the Rockets GM made?

The apology statement felt like it was only issued soley because China is one of their biggest market right now. So essentially, bowing to where the money is at.

I'm a Chinese born in Hong Kong, with parents born in China, and admist all this, I started wondering to myself, what does someone mean when they're proud that they're "X" ethinicty?

I love my Chinese heritage. I love Chinese culture. I shouldn't be ashamed that I'm born a Chinese, yet there shouldn't be anything I should be proud of either. Should I be proud that I have black hair while other ethnicity doesn't? Should I be proud that I have yellow skin while another ethnicity have dark skin? No. Just like I have no reason to be proud of how tall I am, or how I look, or how much wealth my parents I have.

So when you say you're proud of a certain nationality, you aren't really saying you love the culture heritage, but rather, you're proud of the values they uphold, and the things they have done today and in the past.

We are all just human beings, so why should I be proud that I'm a Chinese, and in so saying, that I'm glad I'm not European or etc?

[SFU_wmc]

Curious if anyone know what's the clubbing/drinking scene like in Central now a days?

[bcedhk]

Curious if anyone know what's the clubbing/drinking scene like in Central now a days?

Honestly the expats and the ultra rich are still living their daily lives in HK. Mid-level, Ktown and SYP have been relatively safe.... the Liason office and PLA army brigade offer the "buffer" zone

[Manic!]

This is something I have grappled with myself. But to put things into context, the umbrella movement (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umbrella_Movement) was already five years ago. 79 days of peaceful occupation protests, nothing happened. We are now 4-5 months into the 2019 protests; 100k people. 500k people. 1M people. 2M people, going out for peaceful demonstrations, and still, the government does nothing to appease the people's demands. The people get nothing but tear gas and riot police suppression in response. At that point, the people asked themselves, what would it take for the government to respond?

I think the tipping point was when there were ~2M people peacefully demonstrating and there was still an inadequate response from the government. This is why, despite HK being one of the safest cities in Asia you are seeing educated young kids doing targeted vandalizing as a way to escalate the situation in order to force the government to respond. And sadly, it was only after the escalation from the frontliners did you see that the government actually declare that they are formally withdrawing the extradition bill on Sept 4th. This actually ended up unifying the peaceful protestors with the frontliners, because the peaceful protestors now saw that without the pressure put on by the frontliners, this would've never happened.
We in Canada are lucky. Other countries had to fight and die for there freedoms.

[Badhobz]

Wait. So you're proud of China, but not proud enough to actually be Chinese. From your posts, you'd rather live under the warm embrace of the CCP. So which is it? Would you rather be Canadian or Chinese? I'm getting a lot of mixed messages here.

Plus the fact that you would willingly give up your Chinese citizenship has hurt the feelings of 1 billion Chinese.

The fuck are you talking about. We left for Canada when I was 6 years old. You act like I had a choice in the matter. I grew up here, obviously I’m Canadian and my life is here. But I don’t go around shitting on where I came from.

[StylinRed]

https://youtu.be/ZPYuGYLesx0

Was expecting them to beat the old lady, but I guess it's too early in the day, so they only threw stuff at her, stood in her way, and shined lasers in her eyes

[Hehe]

The fuck are you talking about. We left for Canada when I was 6 years old. You act like I had a choice in the matter. I grew up here, obviously I’m Canadian and my life is here. But I don’t go around shitting on where I came from.

You/your family had the blessing of moving to Canada. Where human rights and people's opinion actually means a damn.

And it's not about shitting the place you came from, but rather pointing out what was wrong... wait, let's rephrase that... CAN BE DONE BETTER. Again... it's NOT about SHITTING China, but about the fact that by recognizing there are better ways, the society as a whole CAN BE BETTER.

The fact is that HK gov't, under the guidance of CCP don't ever want to recognize that things could have been better if done differently. Nop... they insist that they've done what's best for its people and they are not budging on the protesters' demands other than withdrawing the bill.

What message does this send to HK people? That it's the CCP way or the highway. And yet the Sino-Brit accord clearly stated that their "way" is guaranteed for 50yrs.

And when a country as big and influential like China isn't willing to live up to its words, how does China expect the rest of the world to keep up with theirs? And do we, as citizens of this world really want a world where accords, agreements and contracts means jackshit?

If we don't, then I think anyone should support HK and ask China to keep its words as it originally agreed.

[SkinnyPupp]

Police vehicle (presumably being driven by a police officer) runs red light, tries to run over a crowd of protesters, circles around trying to hit anyone they can

https://twitter.com/lihkg_forum/status/1181251939838771200

[Badhobz]

I'm a huge basketball fan, so I'm quite... disturbed and sad when James Harden apologizes for the comment the Rockets GM made?

The apology statement felt like it was only issued soley because China is one of their biggest market right now. So essentially, bowing to where the money is at.

I'm a Chinese born in Hong Kong, with parents born in China, and admist all this, I started wondering to myself, what does someone mean when they're proud that they're "X" ethinicty?

I love my Chinese heritage. I love Chinese culture. I shouldn't be ashamed that I'm born a Chinese, yet there shouldn't be anything I should be proud of either. Should I be proud that I have black hair while other ethnicity doesn't? Should I be proud that I have yellow skin while another ethnicity have dark skin? No. Just like I have no reason to be proud of how tall I am, or how I look, or how much wealth my parents I have.

So when you say you're proud of a certain nationality, you aren't really saying you love the culture heritage, but rather, you're proud of the values they uphold, and the things they have done today and in the past.

We are all just human beings, so why should I be proud that I'm a Chinese, and in so saying, that I'm glad I'm not European or etc?

Dude you serious ? Nothing to be proud of ? Our people have accomplished a lot from invention of the compass and gunpowder to independently putting a guy in space and landing on the far side of the moon. We as a people have thrived and there are 1.3 billion of us in this world (for good or bad). We had a stable and homogeneous society for centuries (different dynasties) and our collective histories is one of the longest and richest in the world. How can you not be proud to be Chinese ? Especially now that we haven gained back our global presence and we aren’t seen as some backwater 3rd world country but instead a economic powerhouse that can stand hand in hand with other world nations.

Things I don’t like ? We ruined our environment and social decency in the blatant pursuit of money. 3 gourgs dam comes to mind. Same with the people and how China is giving everyone a social score (lawl) to counter act all this materialism. Interesting and very Orwellian 1984 practices but flawed in execution.

[SkinnyPupp]

I've said it before: China is am amazing wonderful country, with tons of wonderful people. Please show your love the country of China, I love it too.

The problem is, nationalism was essentially replaced by the Party in the 1950's. They took over the identity and culture of "China", and replaced it with their own, and will fight against any actual portrayal of China that doesn't include them. Even if you think you are supporting China by waving the PRC flag, you are actually supporting the fascist communist party.

That's why I keep saying, if you REALLY love China, and you should, then you should be on the HKers side. Fight AGAINST the tyranny they have dumped onto your amazing country. Don't wave the party flag, wave a flag of peace and freedom. Don't yell and bitch at HK people and throw coins at them; they will be right there, fighting alongside YOU if you want. Join them. Now's your chance. You might end up being on "the wrong side of history" if you get run over by a Chinese tank, but at least you will ACTUALLY be showing national pride, not ignorant support of a tyrannical dictatorship. Yes they pulled you out of an economic quagmire. Thanks for that. Now that economic strength is being used to suppress you as much as ever.

[SkinnyPupp]

https://twitter.com/SouthPark/status/1181273539799736320

[Hehe]

https://twitter.com/SouthPark/status/1181273539799736320

Darn... just thought SP creators had some guts.... boy was I wrong.....

























They have A LOT of COJONES!

:fuckthatshit:

[Badhobz]

I've said it before: China is am amazing wonderful country, with tons of wonderful people. Please show your love the country of China, I love it too.

The problem is, nationalism was essentially replaced by the Party in the 1950's. They took over the identity and culture of "China", and replaced it with their own, and will fight against any actual portrayal of China that doesn't include them. Even if you think you are supporting China by waving the PRC flag, you are actually supporting the fascist communist party.

That's why I keep saying, if you REALLY love China, and you should, then you should be on the HKers side. Fight AGAINST the tyranny they have dumped onto your amazing country. Don't wave the party flag, wave a flag of peace and freedom. Don't yell and bitch at HK people and throw coins at them; they will be right there, fighting alongside YOU if you want. Join them. Now's your chance. You might end up being on "the wrong side of history" if you get run over by a Chinese tank, but at least you will ACTUALLY be showing national pride, not ignorant support of a tyrannical dictatorship. Yes they pulled you out of an economic quagmire. Thanks for that. Now that economic strength is being used to suppress you as much as ever.

No. This isn’t the time for an active revolution. Millions will suffer and for what ? So we can have a potentially dysfunctional democracy that serves only 50 percent of its people ? China has been ruled under a strong and single governance for almost all of its history. The CCP is more similar to our old imperial system (especially with Pooh) than whatever Marx envisioned. Until majority of the Chinese population can collectively support a change in government , this blip isn’t a good enough reason to cause suffering for the rest of China.

Chinese population isn’t stupid, when the time comes there will be change and change for the better. I’m hoping it’ll go more in the ways of the old ussr and eventually it’ll become so big and bloated it’ll just break itself apart. That or a single cause that the entire population can rally behind.

You know why this Hong Kong shit won’t work? It’s because it’s all me me me. Protect me, protect my freedoms, protect my way of life , wahhhh. All the while the average honger is rich and well off compared to mainlanders. This won’t be a cause mainlanders can rally behind.

[buhdeh]

https://twitter.com/1172693987/status/1181253881071718402?s=21

https://twitter.com/niukyniuqi/status/1181244082753949697?s=21

https://twitter.com/iipt69s1kfjqko6/status/1181028143060021248?s=21

Rockets GM now being spammed by Chinese posts celebrating 9/11 and Pearl Harbor.


Wonder how long until we start getting targeted like Muslims were in Western countries. Basically all of the NBA subreddit is filled with anti-China posts by people who previously couldn’t give two shits about China before this controversy. Good job China.

[SkinnyPupp]

Little grey-haired cop walks into a citizen who doesn't move, angrily shoves him for not moving. When everyone around calls him out, he immediately went for his gun while other cops sprayed everyone with pepper spray. Thankfully he holstered the gun right away instead of shooting people

https://streamable.com/84gx2

[SkinnyPupp]

NY Times once again with an amazing summary of all the major events, in a well presented timeline format. Share this link with people who haven't been following since day 1. I've seen people ask for summaries many times:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/world/asia/hong-kong-protests-arc.html

[twitchyzero]

And it is through their response, the population (and the world) can see what kind of government HK/CN really is. .

and the world saw it in 1989

didn't do anything meaningful then

doubt there will be anything meaningful to come from the crackdowns from external entities

many will have sympathy for peaceful protest for democracy, but when push comes to shove, THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS!

[twitchyzero]

and on a vancouver forum i shouldn't have to google what nmsl means

[SkinnyPupp]

and the world saw it in 1989

didn't do anything meaningful then

doubt there will be anything meaningful to come from the crackdowns from external entities

many will have sympathy for peaceful protest for democracy, but when push comes to shove, THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS!
"T&P" tweets can be effective though. Look at how much awareness came up with NBA fans after the Rockets GM made a simple "T&P" tweet.

The world has to stand against tyranny, and it should be made apparent in all sectors including mainstream media and sports. Now a bunch of people who didn't even think of it before sees how hypocritical and gross the NBA and even its players are when it comes to this.

It's not a huge thing, but everything counts for a bit I think

[bobbinka]

It's a little rich how those who have benefited, directly or indirectly, from the CCP are sitting here enjoying the freedoms and liberties of a democratic country and shit on other people's fight for freedom/democracy, when their own people (regardless of whether you define it by ethnicity or nationality) are suffering back home.

This guy's post on reddit lists off a few things that the west may not be familiar with. I quoted the post, but his actual post has links if you want to read more about it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/deim2l/disturbing_video_shows_hundreds_of_blindfolded/f2wbm1z/


This is another step in China's never-ending campaign to annihilate human rights:

• Hundreds of human rights lawyers (not even dissidents, just the LAWYERS who defended people) were snatched by gestapo all over China in what is known as the 709 Crackdown.
• One of those lawyers, Wang Quanzhang was sentenced to 4.5 years for "subversion of state power". But that's not enough. China actually went after Wang's 6-year-old son, forcing him out of his school and banning any other school from taking him in.
• A dissident, [Wang Bingzhang](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Bingzhang_(dissident)) was kidnapped by Chinese agents in Vietnam and sentenced to life in prison after a closed trial that lasted 1 day.
• A man wore a t-shirt with the word "Xitler" on it and was disappeared. Eventually he was tried for "subversion of state power" while barred from meeting with lawyers
• Another man, Wang Meiyu hold up a placard calling for Xi’s resignation & democracy. He was arrested for "picking quarrels”. He ended up dead in custody.
• A woman live streamed herself splashing ink on a Xi poster. She was disappeared. Her last social media update: "Right now there are a group of people wearing uniforms outside my door. I’ll go out after I change my clothes. I did not commit a crime. The people and groups that hurt me are the ones who are guilty". Later on there was report of her being sent to a psychiatric hospital
• After the ink-splash woman's disappearance her father made a series of broadcast to call attention to her plight. He ended up getting taken away by the police in the middle of a live stream
• 5 people associated with a Hong Kong bookstore that sold titles such as "Xi Jinping and His Six Women" were disappeared. Only one managed to escape back to HK. He held a press briefing to tell the world about his kidnapping by China. He's now in exile in Taiwan. The other 4 are still somewhere in China.

And, of course

• 1.5 million Uyghurs rounded up in concentration camps
• Genocide through forced abortions on Uyghur women
• Sexual torture of Uyghur women such as rape & rubbing intimate parts with chili paste.
• Leaked footage of a large number of blindfolded Uyghurs shackled together
• A Canadian journalist wanted to debunk reports of Chinese anti-Muslim repression so he went on a stage-managed show tour put on by China. That means he only saw a fake Potemkin village that China actually thought was acceptable by Western standard. But the brutality of even this fake Potemkin village stunned him. Now imagine what's really happening in the real concentration camps where millions of Uyghurs are being held. Imagine how bad the true situation is.
• Using minorities & political prisoners as free organ farms. A doctor's eye witness account: 'The prisoner was brought in, tied hand and foot, but very much alive. The army doctor in charge sliced him open from chest to belly button and exposed his two kidneys. Then the doctor ordered Zheng to remove the man’s eyeballs. Hearing that, the dying prisoner gave him a look of sheer terror, and Zheng froze. “I can’t do it,” he told the doctor, who then quickly scooped out the man’s eyeballs himself.'
• Call for retraction of 400 Chinese scientific papers amid fears organs came from Chinese prisoners
• 15 Chinese studies retracted due to fears they used Chinese prisoners' organs
• Cultural genocide (and organ harvests, of course). A uyghur's testimony: "First, children were stopped from learning about the Quran, then from going to mosques. It was followed by bans on ramadan, growing beards, giving Islamic names to your baby, etc. Then our language was attacked – we didn’t get jobs if we didn’t know Mandarin. Our passports were collected, we were told to spy on each other, innocent Uyghur prisoners were killed for organ harvesting"
• China is moving beyond Uyghur and cracking down on its model minority Hui Muslim. 'Afraid We Will Become The Next Xinjiang': China's Hui Muslims Face Crackdown: "The same restrictions that preceded the Xinjiang crackdown on Uighur Muslims are now appearing in Hui-dominated regions. Hui mosques have been forcibly renovated or shuttered, schools demolished, and religious community leaders imprisoned. Hui who have traveled internationally are increasingly detained or sent to reeducation facilities in Xinjiang."


Funny how the pro-China side never talks about these issues. Those who have the luxury of living here obviously have access to this information, whether it's through the internet or the news. They're not stupid. Clearly, they know about it. So what is it... fear of reprisal/consequences? or apathy because they're not the ones personally suffering?

A reasonable person can acknowledge that these things are wrong, and therefore, should be able to understand why people want to fight for democracy. You don't have to support them, but what is there to gain by shitting on them?

I like to think of this situation like the monkey experiment. The scientists running the water are China, the banana is democracy, and the monkeys are the people. HK is the current monkey trying to climb the ladder, while all the other monkeys are trying to stop him, even though they can't explain why.

https://i.snipboard.io/kdu77.jpg

[whitev70r]

Whatever position you take ... you gotta respect that granny. Could be anyone's grandma. And she has the cahoons to do something.

[threezero]

No. This isn’t the time for an active revolution. Millions will suffer and for what ? So we can have a potentially dysfunctional democracy that serves only 50 percent of its people ? China has been ruled under a strong and single governance for almost all of its history. The CCP is more similar to our old imperial system (especially with Pooh) than whatever Marx envisioned. Until majority of the Chinese population can collectively support a change in government , this blip isn’t a good enough reason to cause suffering for the rest of China.

Chinese population isn’t stupid, when the time comes there will be change and change for the better. I’m hoping it’ll go more in the ways of the old ussr and eventually it’ll become so big and bloated it’ll just break itself apart. That or a single cause that the entire population can rally behind.

You know why this Hong Kong shit won’t work? It’s because it’s all me me me. Protect me, protect my freedoms, protect my way of life , wahhhh. All the while the average honger is rich and well off compared to mainlanders. This won’t be a cause mainlanders can rally behind.

^This. Hong Kong is fighting their rights and what was promised to them from CCP.

But this whole movement never gave two shit about mainlanders. There was some weak effort in the very beginning to appeal to mainlanders, but not because they actually care for them. They never wanted to learn why mainlander haven't revolt against their government, they don't want to hear that CCP upheld their promise on the mainland side to give the people economic prosperity. They dont want to acknowledge that mainlander are not actually the backward brainwash zombie honger think they are.

You might not care for the Chinese flag, but billion of people in China has living and dead relative that actually did fight for the flag and sacrifice for their new China. CCP gave the Chinese people what they wanted, stability prosperity and a say on an international stage. CCP hasn't been good to you but CCP has been good to billions of other Chinese.

The appeal to mainland was never about inclusion and wanting the brother and sister on the other side the join their fight. It is so honger can go and tell the whole world "look how barbaric the other side is for not joining our righteous fight".

Money is not the be all end all just like democracy is not the answer to every society problem. When 35% of your city GDP comes from 10 billionaires that controls the city's every resource. Something is seriously wrong with the society. People of Hong Kong is hopeless and angry, can't blame honger's emotion towards their SAR government.

But at the end of the day, honger are fighting for something that was promise but never deliver to them amidst a shit load of other societal problem. Yes Mainlanders dont feel your pain because they are genuinely quite happy with CCP's delivery of their promise for them and most important they dont face the same societal problem that Hong Kong does. And how do you expect any mainlander to join your fight after seeing the carnage on anyone suspected to be "chinazi"?

Singapore a place consisting of mostly ethnic Chinese has been living in a semi dictatorship under the guise of democracy for quite some time now. Why haven't they revolt against their government? Why haven't they demand REAL democracy?

This sounds crazy but, could it be because they are genuinely happy with stability and prosperity? I mean these guys have complete access to the internet, they know their "democratic" government is nothing but a guise.

Singapore horse whip people that chew gum in public, most of their law is far more authoritarian than China. Yet there is no cry for democracy and the current governmental structure is not in danger of being toppled.

Baffling isn't it that democracy is not the answer to every problem.

Stand for what you believe in but dont be surprise when you claim superior because of "free thought" and put down a whole population and that population doesn't support your cause.

[Hehe]

No. This isn’t the time for an active revolution. Millions will suffer and for what ? So we can have a potentially dysfunctional democracy that serves only 50 percent of its people ? China has been ruled under a strong and single governance for almost all of its history. The CCP is more similar to our old imperial system (especially with Pooh) than whatever Marx envisioned. Until majority of the Chinese population can collectively support a change in government , this blip isn’t a good enough reason to cause suffering for the rest of China.

Chinese population isn’t stupid, when the time comes there will be change and change for the better. I’m hoping it’ll go more in the ways of the old ussr and eventually it’ll become so big and bloated it’ll just break itself apart. That or a single cause that the entire population can rally behind.

You know why this Hong Kong shit won’t work? It’s because it’s all me me me. Protect me, protect my freedoms, protect my way of life , wahhhh. All the while the average honger is rich and well off compared to mainlanders. This won’t be a cause mainlanders can rally behind.

Not sure if serious... :suspicious:

You'd rather condone all the human right abuse currently going on in China (yeah yeah... "alleged") all for the sake of what? A fake prosperity where money means everything and gov't officials or specifically the politburos are gods?

Rome isn't built in a day. If China goes democratic... sure it would have its bumps along the road, but at LEAST there would be some degree of accountability. Right now... anything that the CCP does is RIGHT. PERIOD. It's not subject to questioning even when something clearly goes wrong. It's about giving a way for China really lives up to its name "People's Republic of China". Right now... there isn't much people in the country's decision. Whatever Xi says, counts. No if or buts... it's JUST THE WAY IT IS.

I'm not saying that by going democratic, China would instantly covert into advanced democratic socialism a la Norway/Sweden... etc. But by going little by little... say a roadmap of going fully democratic (say start with local reps, and finishing electing even the president at the end) in 20years, that'd be returning right to the people.

By just keep saying that Chinese population isn't ready for full democracy and therefore not giving ANY democracy whatsoever... when the fuck do you expect people to be ready? It's like if you never let an apprentice to get any hands-on experience, of course you can't expect it to be a fully independent contractor in the future.

And about the whole NBA thing... I am all in support of freedom of speech. Not just that... we shouldn't be kowtowing to an authoritarian for what? Economic benefits? Where does it end? It's the same argument people used that by "ending" slavery, the economy would collapse because there would no longer be cheap labours that subject to no standard at all. Is that a right thing looking retrospectively?

[SpeedStars]

It's a little rich how those who have benefited, directly or indirectly, from the CCP are sitting here enjoying the freedoms and liberties of a democratic country and shit on other people's fight for freedom/democracy, when their own people (regardless of whether you define it by ethnicity or nationality) are suffering back home.

This guy's post on reddit lists off a few things that the west may not be familiar with. I quoted the post, but his actual post has links if you want to read more about it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/deim2l/disturbing_video_shows_hundreds_of_blindfolded/f2wbm1z/



Funny how the pro-China side never talks about these issues. Those who have the luxury of living here obviously have access to this information, whether it's through the internet or the news. They're not stupid. Clearly, they know about it. So what is it... fear of reprisal/consequences? or apathy because they're not the ones personally suffering?

A reasonable person can acknowledge that these things are wrong, and therefore, should be able to understand why people want to fight for democracy. You don't have to support them, but what is there to gain by shitting on them?

I like to think of this situation like the monkey experiment. The scientists running the water are China, the banana is democracy, and the monkeys are the people. HK is the current monkey trying to climb the ladder, while all the other monkeys are trying to stop him, even though they can't explain why.

https://i.snipboard.io/kdu77.jpg

I think that a lot of us on this board are for democracy. I don't think anyone here actually supports communist ideals. What many of us are against is the needless violent actions on the streets impacting innocent people because it is for a just cause. Complete shutdown of MTR stations, complete blockages of roads. Like the lady in the video on the previous page said... People need to go home. The issue that I see still is that it's a black/white, us/them, either you're with us 100% or you're supporting a tyrannical government. There are people that say the mainlanders should be with us. Yet you can see that there is still the thought at the back of people's minds that the mainlanders are looked down upon. How can they be supportive of people condescending them? The things you've mentioned about China are just surfacing now. Imagine all the other things that are hidden from us. As someone mentioned on the previous page, China could be letting the HK issue carry on to mask other issues going on.

[Badhobz]

Not sure if serious... :suspicious:

You'd rather condone all the human right abuse currently going on in China (yeah yeah... "alleged") all for the sake of what? A fake prosperity where money means everything and gov't officials or specifically the politburos are gods?

Rome isn't built in a day. If China goes democratic... sure it would have its bumps along the road, but at LEAST there would be some degree of accountability. Right now... anything that the CCP does is RIGHT. PERIOD. It's not subject to questioning even when something clearly goes wrong. It's about giving a way for China really lives up to its name "People's Republic of China". Right now... there isn't much people in the country's decision. Whatever Xi says, counts. No if or buts... it's JUST THE WAY IT IS.

I'm not saying that by going democratic, China would instantly covert into advanced democratic socialism a la Norway/Sweden... etc. But by going little by little... say a roadmap of going fully democratic (say start with local reps, and finishing electing even the president at the end) in 20years, that'd be returning right to the people.

By just keep saying that Chinese population isn't ready for full democracy and therefore not giving ANY democracy whatsoever... when the fuck do you expect people to be ready? It's like if you never let an apprentice to get any hands-on experience, of course you can't expect it to be a fully independent contractor in the future.

And about the whole NBA thing... I am all in support of freedom of speech. Not just that... we shouldn't be kowtowing to an authoritarian for what? Economic benefits? Where does it end? It's the same argument people used that by "ending" slavery, the economy would collapse because there would no longer be cheap labours that subject to no standard at all. Is that a right thing looking retrospectively?

You can't have your god damn democracy without bloodshed. That's just the fact. The CCP won't give it up unless you start wwiii. You rather have our brothers and sisters kill each other so we can have a multi party system and supposed freedoms ? Sure you can criticize the government after all thedeath and destruction but is that worth destroying and dismantling all of this we have in place ? Look at Iraq. You topple a dictator and what did you get ?
Is Iraq the model middle Eastern State right now ?

You guys talk like democracy will fix all issues. It won't. Under a democratic system those ughurs will still get outvoted by the Han Chinese and their voices will remain unheard and not presented. Same goes with Tibet. You'll never be able to outvoted that kind of majority.

[twdm]

I think that a lot of us on this board are for democracy. I don't think anyone here actually supports communist ideals. What many of us are against is the needless violent actions on the streets impacting innocent people because it is for a just cause. Complete shutdown of MTR stations, complete blockages of roads. Like the lady in the video on the previous page said... People need to go home.
Let me ask you a question. Do you think the two million peaceful demonstrators or the current violence caused the government to fully withdraw the legislation?

Do you think peaceful demonstrations (which are constantly being banned) or continued violence will lead the government to start an independent inquiry into police brutality?

[twdm]

The fuck are you talking about. We left for Canada when I was 6 years old. You act like I had a choice in the matter. I grew up here, obviously I’m Canadian and my life is here. But I don’t go around shitting on where I came from.

You do have a choice. You can renounce your Canadian citizenship and reclaim your Chinese love and pride. Hell, I'll buy you a one way business class ticket to China to help you save expenses.

Don't tell me with this deal of a lifetime, you're going to leave your beloved homeland hanging?

[SpeedStars]

Let me ask you a question. Do you think the two million peaceful demonstrators or the current violence caused the government to fully withdraw the legislation?

Do you think peaceful demonstrations (which are constantly being banned) or continued violence will lead the government to start an independent inquiry into police brutality?

I would say that the reasoning for absolute "withdrawal" of the extradition bill was pressure on Carrie Lam from China to calm the protests that occurred daily. Keeping in mind that Carrie Lam already said the bill was "officially dead" she just refused to use the word withdrawn because of herself being stubborn and to put on an image of the Iron Lady.

For your other question. I do not believe fighting fire with literal fire would lead the government to create an inquiry into police brutality. In fact I would believe it would hurt the very cause the protesters are trying to make.

Imagine seeing police officers peppered with bricks and getting Molotovs thrown at them. Then you see the protesters getting arrested. People would assume that the force was necessary to detain them. (note that I personally do not support the excessive force used in many circumstances in HK)

[Badhobz]

Buy me a ticket! Id love to go on vacation for a while.

By the way what are you hongers doing on a Vancouver car forum anyways !? You don't even live here anymore.

[twdm]

Buy me a ticket! Id love to go on vacation for a while.

By the way what are you hongers doing on a Vancouver car forum anyways !? You don't even live here anymore.

Show me your proof of renunciation. My wallet is ready. Plus it would be safer for you to live in China as a non-canadian. Wouldnt want you to be Ms Meng's next hostage now would we.

Plus I've been on this forum since 2000 under a different name. It's almost like a second family to me.

[Badhobz]

Lawl this is fun. You buy the ticket first since it’s your suggestion. Come on where’s the trust ?

[hi-revs]

I love being born and raised here.
Love democracy and the fact that I can wear a "fuck china" tshirt, written in flashing LEDs, in open public and tell any mainlanders who looks at my shirt funny, to "look the fuck away, cunt face".

I love that if I get a speeding ticket, I can go to court representing myself, pleading my case, and could possibly have the ticket reduced, if not revoked.

Love that I can say fuck Trudeau and the climate change bs protest.

I love that i have freedom to knowledge and that i can question and challenge what i believe in with whomever I like.

Call me ignorant/spoiled, or whatever the fuck you want.
I'm sure 100% of people on here have their own personal political/societal views; and guess what pro-China fuckers..... you have the LUXURY to openly share your fucking opinions openly here.

Its 2019 for fuck sakes. There should be no communism or dictatorship bullfuckingshit.

Maybe we can reserve one spot in the world with dictatorship, and mindless idiots, aka mainlanders, can go and live there if they love living in a concentration camp type of lifestyle.

I'm Chinese-Canadian, and I'm fucking damn proud to say that I dont have 1 single mainlander friend/acquaintance in my life. Fucking damn proud of that.

Love your country and government? Listen to what everyone's been saying "MOVE THE FUCK BACK THERE IF YOU LOVE YOUR COUNTRY SO MUCH "!

I have absolutely no shame in saying what I said. Dont like it? Go fuck yourself with your fucking period stained flag!

[twitchyzero]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/b50e5a1171ea0039aa23e2eaad72ef0b/tumblr_mhxlbjFLTI1qg39ewo1_500.gif

[hi-revs]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/show/china-calls-it-re-education-but-uyghur-muslims-say-its-unbearable-brutality

[threezero]

I love being born and raised here.
Love democracy and the fact that I can wear a "fuck china" tshirt, written in flashing LEDs, in open public and tell any mainlanders who looks at my shirt funny, to "look the fuck away, cunt face".

I love that if I get a speeding ticket, I can go to court representing myself, pleading my case, and could possibly have the ticket reduced, if not revoked.

Love that I can say fuck Trudeau and the climate change bs protest.

I love that i have freedom to knowledge and that i can question and challenge what i believe in with whomever I like.

Call me ignorant/spoiled, or whatever the fuck you want.
I'm sure 100% of people on here have their own personal political/societal views; and guess what pro-China fuckers..... you have the LUXURY to openly share your fucking opinions openly here.

Its 2019 for fuck sakes. There should be no communism or dictatorship bullfuckingshit.

Maybe we can reserve one spot in the world with dictatorship, and mindless idiots, aka mainlanders, can go and live there if they love living in a concentration camp type of lifestyle.

I'm Chinese-Canadian, and I'm fucking damn proud to say that I dont have 1 single mainlander friend/acquaintance in my life. Fucking damn proud of that.

Love your country and government? Listen to what everyone's been saying "MOVE THE FUCK BACK THERE IF YOU LOVE YOUR COUNTRY SO MUCH "!

I have absolutely no shame in saying what I said. Dont like it? Go fuck yourself with your fucking period stained flag!

Did you ever ask your relative where their roots were? every single Chinese person, whether you are honger or taiwan has their roots in China.
Do you ask everybody if they are mainlander before you got to know them? You will be surprise how many people you thought were not mainlander are actually mainlanders.

The honger friend you are so proud of, his family came from China once upon a time. The mainlander person you hate might want nothing to do with CCP.

There are honger that are against the protest and have a friendly view towards China and there are mainlander that live in Hong Kong than is fighting with other honger on the same side.

Are you the also the type of person to scream fuck the whole muslim world when a selected portion of their society support sharia state?

"I'm Chinese-Canadian, and I'm fucking damn proud to say that I dont have 1 single mainlander friend/acquaintance in my life. Fucking damn proud of that."

What a ignorant blanket statement, for the record there is a group of mainlander in Vancouver here that fled China during the last Tiananmen and is just democratic as the rest of the people here. Their friends (also mainlander) died in the name of democracy. I guess you will never find that out because you can't see pass their mainlander identify.

But you are right its Canada. You have the right to be a judgemental asshole.

[StylinRed]

You can't have your god damn democracy without bloodshed. That's just the fact. The CCP won't give it up unless you start wwiii. You rather have our brothers and sisters kill each other so we can have a multi party system and supposed freedoms ? Sure you can criticize the government after all thedeath and destruction but is that worth destroying and dismantling all of this we have in place ? Look at Iraq. You topple a dictator and what did you get ?
Is Iraq the model middle Eastern State right now ?

You guys talk like democracy will fix all issues. It won't. Under a democratic system those ughurs will still get outvoted by the Han Chinese and their voices will remain unheard and not presented. Same goes with Tibet. You'll never be able to outvoted that kind of majority.


This.

If you agree that causing a war to take down the CCP is the way to go, and all the deaths will be "for the greater good" you're actually no better than Mao, and can't diss him for all the deaths he has under his belt, since he felt the same way

There's actually a vast similarity, that I'm not sure if you guys have noticed between mainlanders n hongers. Neither of the sides are really on democracy, or communism, it's simply on the side of "I want it my way, and my way is right" we see it with the condoning of violence, and condoning suppression of free speech, as long as its not suppressing your argument, etc

[welfare]

If you guys haven't watched it already, the latest South Park episode literally makes fun of Disney and the rest of Hollywood for pleasing China among other ongoing topics. They called it "Band in China" and guess what, it's banned in China now.


Actually posted that episode a few pages back.
Laughter can have that effect of bringing the most opposed people together.

Kinda like the Christmas truce of 1914.
Man i don't care what's going on, that act will restore your faith in humanity every time. Just amazing.
https://www.leger.co.uk/blog/2017/12/22/ten-facts-christmas-truce/

While aspects of the Christmas Truce have been exaggerated, and there may have been no football, it was a truly remarkable day. Soldiers who were enemies stopped fighting and met each other on the battlefield. They obeyed a basic human instinct, rather than just follow orders. As the majority involved were professional soldiers they may have seen it as a rare opportunity to have a day off. Others would have been curious to actually meet a German, as it was likely few ever had. Whatever the reason, it was an event unique to 1914. While the odd battlefield truce, and a small scale one at Cambrai in the winter of 1917/18 took place, there was nothing on this scale ever again: whatever innocence remained in 1914 was lost in the great battles of the war on the Somme and at Passchendaele.

[threezero]

This.

If you agree that causing a war to take down the CCP is the way to go, and all the deaths will be "for the greater good" you're actually no better than Mao, and can't diss him for all the deaths he has under his belt, since he felt the same way

There's actually a vast similarity, that I'm not sure if you guys have noticed between mainlanders n hongers. Neither of the sides are really on democracy, or communism, it's simply on the side of "I want it my way, and my way is right" we see it with the condoning of violence, and condoning suppression of free speech, as long as its not suppressing your argument, etc

"In China, things have always been handle this way. Only by preventing other from doing what they want, can you accomplish what you want"

A quote from The Gate of Heavenly Peace a documentary on Tiananmen incident. This is a comment made by one of the pro-democracy teacher when she reflect on her confronting the the pro-democracy student and asking why they are preventing other students from going back to class.

The most fundamental basic of democracy is the freedom of individual choice. It seems like neither side understand its. It is a either for or against, there is no place for debate or in between.

[hi-revs]

Did you ever ask your relative where their roots were? every single Chinese person, whether you are honger or taiwan has their roots in China.
Do you ask everybody if they are mainlander before you got to know them? You will be surprise how many people you thought were not mainlander are actually mainlanders.

The honger friend you are so proud of, his family came from China once upon a time. The mainlander person you hate might want nothing to do with CCP.

There are honger that are against the protest and have a friendly view towards China and there are mainlander that live in Hong Kong than is fighting with other honger on the same side.

Are you the also the type of person to scream fuck the whole muslim world when a selected portion of their society support sharia state?

"I'm Chinese-Canadian, and I'm fucking damn proud to say that I dont have 1 single mainlander friend/acquaintance in my life. Fucking damn proud of that."

What a ignorant blanket statement, for the record there is a group of mainlander in Vancouver here that fled China during the last Tiananmen and is just democratic as the rest of the people here. Their friends (also mainlander) died in the name of democracy. I guess you will never find that out because you can't see pass their mainlander identify.

But you are right its Canada. You have the right to be a judgemental asshole.


Sure, most of the chinese people/relatives I know may likely be from china. However, they fled that country due to communism and dictatorship to a land with democracy. They fled because they hated that hell hole. Key word, FLED. Ie. Gotten the fuck out.

I have relatives who've fled from china ~40yrs ago who swears on their life that they will never again step foot in china due to the horrible experiences they had in china.

Call it what you want.
Live in china If you dont want freedom. End of story. Just dont be a fucking hypocrite. Dont be standing on Canadian soil saying how great your china government is.

If I'm an asshole for speaking my mind then so be it. Not gonna get butthurt over some text that a person wrote online. Its 2019 and I can do my own research to form my own judgement, unlike some of you pro-China lovers.

The only reason why no country has stepped in to assist HK is because china has in some ways bribed/blackmailed the fuck out of them not to. Unfortunately money is power and it doesnt see right or wrong.

[Manic!]

I will pitch in for a one way ticket! I want to see someone self deport themselves.

[threezero]

Sure, most of the chinese people/relatives I know may likely be from china. However, they fled that country due to communism and dictatorship to a land with democracy. They fled because they hated that hell hole. Key word, FLED. Ie. Gotten the fuck out.

I have relatives who've fled from china ~40yrs ago who swears on their life that they will never again step foot in china due to the horrible experiences they had in china.

Call it what you want.
Live in china If you dont want freedom. End of story. Just dont be a fucking hypocrite. Dont be standing on Canadian soil saying how great your china government is.

If I'm an asshole for speaking my mind then so be it. Not gonna get butthurt over some text that a person wrote online. Its 2019 and I can do my own research to form my own judgement, unlike some of you pro-China lovers.

The only reason why no country has stepped in to assist HK is because china has in some ways bribed/blackmailed the fuck out of them not to.

So are you retracting the statement that

"I'm Chinese-Canadian, and I'm fucking damn proud to say that I dont have 1 single mainlander friend/acquaintance in my life. Fucking damn proud of that."

You went from I hate all mainlander with a passion to okay maybe some or most of my frds were from Mainlander but they are okay because I believe they hate China.

I mean did you personally vetted everyone before making friends with them? How do you know that your friends aint really just hiding their true feeling from you because you are so judgement of anything you don't agree with?

Yes it is 2019 and there is no internet censorship here, you can search for all the anti-china article to support your views and scream fuck China. How is that any different from the pro-china folk living here that also choose to google everything supporting their view and screaming free China like an idiot.

The beauty of information freedom is you can find all the evidence you want to support which ever side you are on. Having no censorship doesn't automatically give one the power of critical thought nor does it give someone the power look past you bias and to see thing from another perspective. If anything freedom of information give you the opportunity to be continuously stuck in a single direction if you choose too. Yes you have the freedom to be bias but until you can open your mind to other possibilitues, you are not the free thinker you thought you were.

Look no further than flat farther and anti vexer. Nearly all of them live in a place with no information censorship, yet they continue to find new "evidence" to support their convoluted views.

[hi-revs]

So are you retracting the statement that

"I'm Chinese-Canadian, and I'm fucking damn proud to say that I dont have 1 single mainlander friend/acquaintance in my life. Fucking damn proud of that."

You went from I hate all mainlander with a passion to okay maybe some or most of my frds were from Mainlander but they are okay because I believe they hate China.

I mean did you personally vetted everyone before making friends with them? How do you know that your friends aint really just hiding their try feeling from you because you are so judgement of anything you don't agree with?


No, not retracting my statement. When I say mainlander, I'm referring to the ones in todays society that came from china with their dirty money and their bastard kids making all chinese look bad. The ones that speak mandarin with a fuck ton of "r's" in them.

[hi-revs]

Yes you have the freedom to be bias but until you can open your mind to other possibilitues, you are not the free thinker you thought you were.


So are you insisting that I open my mind and believe in communism, dictatorship, no freedom of beliefs and concentration camps are for the greater good?
Who aside from Chiners believe that their government is oh so great? Seriously.
If it was so great, canadians would be fighting to end freedom and to adopt this dictatorship bullshit.

[threezero]

No, not retracting my statement. When I say mainlander, I'm referring to the ones in todays society that came from china with their dirty money and their bastard kids making all chinese look bad. The ones that speak mandarin with a fuck ton of "r's" in them.

Way to sound more and more ignorant with your defence. I've done event for pro-democracy mainlander that "speaks mandarin with a fuck ton or "r's" in them. If you weren't there at the event and just met them on the street you probably would of thought they "came from china with their dirty money and bastard kids"


I was not born here but I was raised here. There are a lot of democracy and free countries in the world. I am proud to be Canadian because Canada is one of the few democracy countries that respect difference and accept that we can all co-habit and *gasp* be friends with other people that doesn't share our view.

I'm proud that I have friends that doesn't agree with me on everything. Friends with different background and political stance. Friends that speaks in all kind of accent.

I am sorry you are proud to live in a free country but are only willing to surround yourself with people of a specific view. I mean that sounds like living in the "evil china" where everyone supposedly only have single view. FailFish

[threezero]

So are you insisting that I open my mind and believe in communism, dictatorship, no freedom of beliefs and concentration camps are for the greater good?
Who aside from Chiners believe that their government is oh so great? Seriously.
If it was so great, canadians would be fighting to end freedom and to adopt this dictatorship bullshit.

The fact that this is the only thing you thought of when you speak of China show how unwilling you are to examine things beyond the headline.

While we are on dictatorship, why is nobody screaming free Singapore? Singapore has been happily under dictatorship for decades.

Why are we still calling China communist when they political and economic model has nada to do with communism.

China does not have a good record when it comes to freedom of belief and concentration camp. Give China crap for that. Nobody has ever claim China to be perfect But when you can't even understand the concept of communism, you dont have a single clue what to do with China's million of other problem.

There is alot more pressing problem with China for the Chinese population than freedom of belief and concentration camp. If China suddenly becomes democratic tomorrow, I can bet on my life that nobody is winning votes in China with the campaign "free thought and no concentration camp"

China has come a long way since Mao but it is no where near the level Canada is on. You say people in living in democratic countries is hypocrite for not support democracy.

I say you are are hypocrite for hating on China while you are here living a good life with three meals a day. There is still a big portion of population in China that struggle to put protein on the table for their children. And no democracy is not going to magically solve that, nor will getting rid of concentration camp solve their problem.

Yes concentration camps are horrible, Yes CCP is not perfect and rules with a iron fist.
But if you ask someone that haven't had a proper meal for months. Whoever puts a slab of pork on their table will win their vote.

EDIT: Just want to add that human right issue was never the most pressing problem of a fledging democracy state. Vast majority of other democratic countries have zero fuck about human rights during the beginning. It is only when the population as a whole has a strong foothold on economics that people start to care about equality, human right all the good things things that only exist recently if you look at the entire history of the democratic state. Black woman were not allow to vote in the state until 1965, almost 200 yrs after the state become democratic.

[Hehe]

Lawl this is fun. You buy the ticket first since it’s your suggestion. Come on where’s the trust ?

Cause if you are anything like the CCP, the track record on keeping with an accord/agreement isn't very good is it?

I'd chip in too if you can show proof of renunciation of Canadian citizenship. And come on guys... business class is for peasants. Rich Chinese don't take that shit. I'd take whatever the difference is to make it a first-class ticket. Emirate/Etihad/Qatar/Singapore... what fancy you if you don't mind taking the long way home. Or if you love Chinese so much, Air China/China Southern/China Eastern... etc work too.

You can't have your god damn democracy without bloodshed. .

Erh... last time I checked, Taiwan transitioned from a single party authoritarian to a democracy just fine... yeah there were some protests here and there... but nowhere near a "bloodshed". Not a very good example? Ok... East Germany went from socialism/authoritarian to a full democracy with West Germany without anything that resembles to a bloodshed either.

It's only the willingness. The fact is that CCP made you think this way... that "change" brings instability, war, and loss of "status" on the world level. But the truth is that many socialist/communist countries have transitioned to full democracy without much effect at all. If anything, it made them stronger on the world stage.

The only "party" that truly benefits from the current regime is the CCP... not the Chinese population or anything Chinese for that matter.

[SkinnyPupp]

Did you ever ask your relative where their roots were? every single Chinese person, whether you are honger or taiwan has their roots in China.

Don't get "China" mixed up with "Peoples Republic of China". A family may have had roots in "China" but that doesn't mean they love the Party. In fact, most HK and Taiwanese people went there to get the fuck away from them.

I think more people need to be conscious of the effort to replace Chinese identity with what the Party has done. I already talked about that in a prior post...

Speaking of that post, I want to point out on something I said earlier. I mentioned that people who love China should stand up for their country against tyranny. HOWEVER, I am not saying every single person needs to do so. There are plenty of people who are in a situation where it is impossible, or a very bad idea to do so, and I am sympathetic to that.

So to clear up my point, what I guess I mean is that if you're in the position of being able to speak your mind (ie living in Canada or US or Australia) and you love China, THEN maybe consider speaking out against the tyranny, instead of being in favour of it.

Despite the constant "everyone hates mainlanders" rhetoric we see repeated here by threezero and others, that is not true at all. Not from normal, unbiased people who haven't been mistreated in some way. I can't speak for everyone, but I think most freedom loving people are open to all races and nationalities.

If someone is complaining about "mainlanders" it usually has to do with specific actions (IE throwing coins at protesters, calling them poor, flaunting wealth while promoting fascism, etc) or the even just the fact that they are in support of tyranny while living in a democratic society. THAT is their complaint, not just the fact that they are mainlanders.

Edit: I wrote that before reading high-revs made statement about not having mainlander friends (come on dude), then he tried to clear things up that he's referring to specific actions (in kind of a shitty way). hi-revs, I really wish you (and many others) would dial back on the hatred.

[SkinnyPupp]

I won't sponsor badhobz's renunciation (though I'd love to see someone put their money where their mouth is), but I will buy him a VPN account, since he'll need it to be able to continue to discuss things with the free thinking world LUL

[StylinRed]

Some famous? Gamer based in Hong Kong, had his accounts banned/froze/deleted by Blizzard for supporting HK during an interview


https://twitter.com/Slasher/status/1181442535962632193

[SkinnyPupp]

First NBA, now Blizzard. Who's next? I've always thought that it was dangerous to have China's fingers in so much of western media, now we're seeing the results. Maybe other people will finally be mad that they have ruined Hollywood movies LUL

I know they like Chinese money, so here's hoping that enough people care, to the point where Chinese money will be their only income (wishful thinking I KNOW)

Blizz has been going to shit anyway, so a boycott would not be as difficult as it used to be.

[StylinRed]

I remember years ago, when they were making the Red Dawn remake with Chris hemsworth, it was originally going to have China invade the US, but they changed it to a less believable North Korea, to appease China. The film still didn't get shown in China lol

[SkinnyPupp]

I don't mind if an American company is going to make media for a market that has different ideals from them (well their government does at least). The problem is that it ruins shit for everyone else LUL That is less political and more business based (ie I won't spend my money to watch it, but I won't make a huge deal of it)

But once they take action against people who support human rights, that's when it becomes more of an issue.

[buhdeh]

After the NBA commissioner’s comments on protecting free speech, China is now suspending the broadcast of all NBA games like the little bitches that they are lawl

[Badhobz]

Erh... last time I checked, Taiwan transitioned from a single party authoritarian to a democracy just fine... yeah there were some protests here and there... but nowhere near a "bloodshed". Not a very good example? Ok... East Germany went from socialism/authoritarian to a full democracy with West Germany without anything that resembles to a bloodshed either.

It's only the willingness. The fact is that CCP made you think this way... that "change" brings instability, war, and loss of "status" on the world level. But the truth is that many socialist/communist countries have transitioned to full democracy without much effect at all. If anything, it made them stronger on the world stage.

The only "party" that truly benefits from the current regime is the CCP... not the Chinese population or anything Chinese for that matter.

Are you fucking kidding me ? The hundreds and thousands of dead Chinese who fought forthe ccp and nationalists would like a word with you. The only reason Taiwan isn’t an integrated part of China today is because of the US containment doctrine and the fact that mao couldn’t row a god damn boat over. East and west Germany unification only happened because the ussr could no longer maintain itself. That’s the ideal situation to get rid of the ccp, it just happens naturally and the whole system implodes.

I love how pro hongers always end up with the argument That if you love it so much then go back home. Same be said for every ex pat or immigrant turned citizen. You guys say the same shit to all the East Indians Canadians who still love India ? Or is it possible that they can still love their home and adopted countries.

[Badhobz]

Edit: I wrote that before reading high-revs made statement about not having mainlander friends (come on dude), then he tried to clear things up that he's referring to specific actions (in kind of a shitty way). hi-revs, I really wish you (and many others) would dial back on the hatred.

Impossible. That hatred runs deep and they blame us for everything even though almost none of them has ever stepped a foot inside mainland China. This is why I keep saying this protest is useless. Without the popular support of all the Chinese people, it’ll never gain enough traction to topple the ccp. But whatever, ruin a perfectly good city for jack shit all is fine by me. As long as these kids can dao dan and throw bombs at cops and burn down public services I guess it’s worth it in the name of democracy.

Edit: here’s your democracy in bed with China. Like I said before nobody’s going to step up. Nobody gives a rats ass about Hong Kong other than hongers.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/04/politics/trump-xi-hong-kong-protests/index.html

[buhdeh]

Now r/gaming and basically every big gaming forum is filled with anti-China posts lmao. China sure knows how to run a foreign influence operation.