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Originally Posted by darthchilli (Post 6030711)

u said it..
Ryan Keslar is a checking centerman..where as Zetteberg and Datsyuk can score goals. SOOOOOO fuck all the "hockey knowledge" from you and me and realistically ask yourself, do you understand the game of hockey? cuz a player such as keslar and what he does is exactly what ALOT of teams lack, a good go to forward to play against the top lines night after night. I couldnt give a shit how many goals Zetteberg or Datsyuk brings to the table, they can be trigger happy all night, but its just not OFFENSE that wins you hockey games, its a combination of everything. So are you gonna bash on the sedins now cuz they are first rounders and their point per game stat doesnt satisfy you?

The Detroit Red Wings are champions because they have the complete puzzle, hmm...who on the Red Wings is what Keslar is for Vancouver...Kris Draper, defensive forward, such as click! Ryan Keslar. You thinking Ryan Keslar is suppose to score wayy more than his numbers show isnt thinking the "complete" hockey team. Of course, Pavel Datsyuk didnt win the Selke by scoring goals, but hes one of the few "gifted" guys who can play and see both perspectives of the game

Another player known to be the defensive forward role is Samuel Pahlsson from the ducks. Many teams would LOVE to have this guy on their team.

We can have guys like Gretzky from his oiler days, Sidney Crosby, Ovechkin, Vinny LeClavier, Dany Heatley, Jason Spezza, any top rated goal scorer in the league, they score goals cuz they play the role as a guy to finish the job, im sure many can name ppl who score like these big guns, but realistically, how many shutdown forwards can you name throughout the league?

i mainly want you to answer this question before you go on and criticize ppl in the thread who have contributed opinions and laughs around. I can tell you people straight up that the three i mentioned are the three that jumps into my head with the exception of Ryan Keslar cuz he plays in this town we live in, but around the rest of the league? These guys dont get noticed that often unless they can score.

Try and explain to me why Ryan Keslar's name was put out there amongst trade talks and rumors during the last trade deadline? i know alot of them is bullshit, but Keslar can bring his style of play to a team thats really hard to find in this day and age.

anyways..to iwantaskyline this thread is like...10x more educated and smarter than the whole canucks forum, we dont like bandwagoners, and on revscene, topics such as this need facts and reasoning to back up ALL opinions or else u become revscene idol like 14dollaballa or that dude in the summer gangsta fashion thread. hell hyde is one of them

dont call out hondaracer without knowing what he contributes here, hes one of the more educated hockey guys on the forum. i may not know the guy, but you can tell the difference between the "hockey fans who thinks goals and offense mean everything" vs the "educated in the HOCKEY CULTURE and COMPLETE picture in all things shinny

on a side note..b4 tix do go on sale..a big "FUCK YOU" to scalpers who will 100% for sure charge stupid amounts of money for the Trevor Linden number retirement game and RUIN the experience for ALL true canuck fans out there

that is all

You sound like a stupid shit who has never played a lick of hockey in his life. Did you watch the stanley cup finals? D and Z are the most complete players in the game. How many defensive forwards can i name? How about just one the Selke Trophy winner; Pavel Datsuyk. I am not a band wagoner. I've followed the Canucks since 93 and played a lot of hockey when I was young. Most people in this thread seem to agree with me, at least the ones who are knowledgeable about hockey. I have not bashed Kesler in this thread, you should learn how to read. You say I'm one of the "hockey fans who thinks goals and offense mean everything" when have I ever said anything remotely related to that? LEARN SOME ENGLISH. I've been posting facts the whole time dipshit. I never said anything about Kesler being a bad player. Just letting everyone who thinks hes going to be the Canucks 1st or 2nd line center to step back into reality.

I don't care what Hondaracer contributes here. We were having a debate and he posted a stupid lie to back up his argument; "kesler scored more in the playoffs then 3/4's of Datsuyks career". Was he talking about the fucking midget level? Anyways after telling him Kesler has never registered a playoff point in his life, guy calls me a "fucking idiot". So I cant call him out? :confused:

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Originally Posted by iwantaskyline (Post 6030366)

I'm guessing you don't watch Kesler play that often. He sucks when he is put into an offensive role. He's admitted himself that he excels when he plays a defensive game and isn't as effective when he is thrust into an offensive role. He was never drafted to be a scorer, management knew what kind of player he is; a checking line center. He doesn't have the play making ability and vision on the ice to be an effective 1st or 2nd line center. These types of skills don't blossom magically...

I hope you're kidding when you say all 3 had bad rookie years. Z got 44 points in his first year which is better then Kesler's career year last year. Same with Dat.

I know what you mean. I get upset everytime Kesler is rushing down the boards with the puck, and then stops as he hits the side hash marks.

I played hockey since I was 12, and played all the way up to midget. I never played high tier hockey, partially because I played out at Hastings Minor, and I rebelled against my parents for pushing me too hard.

All I can say is, talented players have the abilities to get to the next level with less work. Players with less skill set have to work that much harder at the game to get to a higher level.
I still think Kesler's short comings can be fixed. He can skate, and has decent hands. If he had better players to play with, and worked on the offensive side of his game, he could be a 60-70 point man. As it stands, he is a sound defensive forward good at checking the opposing teams #1 line.

Oh yeah, I said mediocore rookie years. I never said BAD rookie years. Look at Luc Robitalle. He was a late draft pick for the Kings and he had 90+ points in his rookie year.

I can't help but feel there is slight bias towards Hondaracer because he's been with our NHL threads since Day 1, but there are many points that I feel that both him and iwantaskyline are spot on, and others not so much.

Keep the discussing going on, I love reading what you guys have posted so far, but no need to bash each other, ok? ;)

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Originally Posted by darthchilli (Post 6030711)

realistically, how many shutdown forwards can you name throughout the league?

we can start with datsyuk and zetterberg

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Originally Posted by iwantaskyline (Post 6030361)

Guy calls me a fucking moron I can't call him a pussy with a smiley face?

you can
but how about being a bigger man about it and just leave it as it is

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Originally Posted by SumAznGuy (Post 6030782)

That's true that some players who work harder can get a lot farther then talented players who don't have the worth ethic. But there are some things that can't be achieved through just sheer determination. I hope Kesler does pan out and reach his peak level. Every Canucks fan would like him to be a Brindomire type of player.

Don't really agree with you saying Z and D having mediocre years. Z was runner up for Calder and had most points for rookie that year. D was a little bit of a disappointment in his rookie season. But they both were playing behind Fedorov and Yzerman's lines. Probably averaged 10 mins a night.

guys like kesler can be decent 50-60 point guys someday i think just from personal observation
but yea once ur like 25 and dont have sweet hands, pretty much just hope that u can use ur strength to get some points which i think kesler will do

on a side note, we probably should stop talking about kesler cause i dont think hell lead us to a cup lol

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Originally Posted by Grandmaster TSE (Post 6030881)

you can
but how about being a bigger man about it and just leave it as it is

be a bigger man?? You almost sound like a RS noob for thinking something like this even exist here. :D

I don't think Kesler will ever be top liner, but 60 points sound about right, at least being on the Canucks. Canuck's don't have a large pool of talent like the RedWings, so Canucks can only provide limited talent support to help the younger players grow.

On the bright side, Kesler's point total (or point/game percentage) have been increasing every season.

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Originally Posted by AzNightmare (Post 6031091)

haha
its called being mature, but i guess thats a little too much to ask for on the internet
one can dream can't he :D

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Originally Posted by Grandmaster TSE (Post 6031121)

haha
its called being mature, but i guess thats a little too much to ask for on the internet
one can dream can't he :D

its revscene, u should know that :rofl:

Are Canucks playing the Oilers tonight? I just get a flightaware e-mail showing the Canucks plane landing in Edmonton.

is there anyway to watch preseason games on TV/internet?

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Originally Posted by jah (Post 6031383)

Are Canucks playing the Oilers tonight? I just get a flightaware e-mail showing the Canucks plane landing in Edmonton.

Prospects vs prospects they are playing the Coilers and the Lames.

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Originally Posted by jah (Post 6031383)

Are Canucks playing the Oilers tonight? I just get a flightaware e-mail showing the Canucks plane landing in Edmonton.

whats the flight no. for the canuck's plane? is it aca7037?

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Originally Posted by trip (Post 6031257)

its revscene, u should know that :rofl:

yeah, silly me, hahah

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Originally Posted by jah (Post 6031383)

Are Canucks playing the Oilers tonight? I just get a flightaware e-mail showing the Canucks plane landing in Edmonton.

Rookie game or something like that against the Flames AHL team

Hodgson will be centering a line of Gendur + Grabner

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Originally Posted by keitaro (Post 6031407)

whats the flight no. for the canuck's plane? is it aca7037?

Yup....

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ACA7037

From the Province:

Nonis vs. Gillis: Go ahead, second guess
Are they new and improved or would things be better under old regime?
Ed Willes, The Province
Published: Monday, September 15, 2008

After a two-month hiatus, which probably wasn't long enough for a lot of you, we proudly present the return of the Monday morning musings and meditations on the world of sport.

- Canucks GM Mike Gillis has said he isn't finished building his team and, with $10 million in cap space, he has the freedom to move in a couple of different directions. But it will also be interesting to compare what Gillis does with the plan Dave Nonis had laid out before he was fired.

Nonis told Canucks' ownership he would add three forwards and let Markus Naslund go through free agency. Swedish free agent Fabian Brunnstrom was committed to signing with the Canucks. Nonis was also going to trade the Canucks' first-round draft pick this summer, which probably would have landed the Kings' Mike Cammalleri. And he was going to move a defenceman, likely Kevin Bieksa, and/or prospects for another proven scorer. Hello, Olli Jokinen.

Gillis, for his part, has improved the Canucks' fourth line and added Pavol Demitra and Steve Bernier while losing Naslund and Brendan Morrison. As mentioned, he said he isn't finished but the Canucks with Brunnstrom, Cammalleri and another top-six forward would be causing a lot more excitement in this market than their current lineup.

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Originally Posted by iwantaskyline (Post 6030123)

I'm still waiting for the great moderator Hondaracer who called me a fucken idiot to come and reply to my post. I guess hes a pussy ^_^.

havent had time to reply and im not going to go into a big rant to try and prolong this argument, and yes u are correct regarding datsyuk but in no way do i agree with other comments you have made. I respect your opinion and obviously you know your stuff but in regards to kesler i think within his career he will break 50 point seasons period. Watching him in person and as much as i have, i have great faith in his skating and shooting ability, the only way he is going to be successfull though is if he begins to develop depth wise asap

perhaps im blinded by my homerism but i feel that way.

And if my commitment or experiance was ever come into question, i've watched hockey for as long as i can remeber, Played hockey for the past 12 years, been a partial canucks season ticket holder for the last 4 and have been a fan since i knew who the canucks were.

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Originally Posted by stuff99 (Post 6031559)

while that Nonis lineup would have been pretty sick, it's speculation at best. Bieksa and prospects for Jokinen? Umm I dont think that would have got it done.

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Originally Posted by stuff99 (Post 6031559)

Uggh that makes me sick. Although it's just hearsay, I still feel Nonis deserved another year since he'd finally have some decent coin to spend on offense.

I don't mind what Gillis done so far and I especially like the fact he has 10M in cap space to show us what he's capable of. However, I still personally feel for Nonis. I wanted him to show all the negative armchair GMs that called him no-nuts that it took a lot more than a ballsac to be an effective GM. He would have proven that patience is key.

Anyway, beating a dead horse now. Let's hope Gillis can make a big splash before the season begins. I really like the fact he's added some toughness with Darcy Hordichuk. Not too sure if it's been posted here, but have you guys heard he's been training with Chuck Liddell in the offseason? That's some serious commitment to being a tough guy. Now lets see if anyone fucks with Nas.. er um.. the Sedins.

I can't freakin' wait!

Go Canucks.

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Originally Posted by jigga250 (Post 6031655)

while that Nonis lineup would have been pretty sick, it's speculation at best. Bieksa and prospects for Jokinen? Umm I dont think that would have got it done.

it's not like ollie was actually traded for much

A lot of excuses for Nonis, but I found him to be behind the curve when it came to decisions about the offense. He built the team from the goalie out. He CHOSE to load up on D and they didn't make the playoffs last yr. He can't hide from that. Injuries sure.. but at the end of the day, that team went as far as Luongo could take them.

Trade a pick or D for offense? Sure, but why this yr? Why not last yr before we missed the playoffs? Because problems aren't urgent if they can be hidden by a great goalie?

While Nonis didn't make any really bad moves, he didn't make many shrewd moves either. He did an average job. But at least he was well-liked ;) We could have given him one more year to really show for sure what he's made of, but at some point waiting until it's too late just sets you back behind the curve if you think there's a better one out there.

Right now it's too early to say. Nonis' plan seemed alright, but Gillis got Demitra. We'll see how that plays out. The Canucks lineup right now seems mediocre, but unless we see whether that Fabian Bruunstrom guy lights it up or flops, would we then know whether it was a mistake or not to fire Nonis.