I agree that team was fricking Brutal. Using the logic that Jokinen isn't any good because they keep missing the playoffs with him is pretty retarded. LeCalvier and St.Louis must be pretty bad players as well seeing there team finished in dead last place last year who would want those bums?

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speak for yourself about no hockey knowledge. whats a good player with shitty attitude? have you ever played on a hockey team to begin with? when 1 player is a prima donna, no one wants to play or even listen to him. when you can't communicate with your team, you can't produce. period!!!!!! team chemistry is ever so more important than skill alone. why are the great players in the nhl so successful? sakic, yzerman, gretzky, even messier had a positive influence in the canucks dressing room. and even now, crosby and ovechkin?

by your logic, any team is great as long as you slap all the best players in the league. if thats the case why did team canada win at the juniors the past 2 years when everyone wrote them off? management picked players based on the roles they played, not skill. work ethic and laziness can always be worked on and improved. attitude will never change.

Messier positive influence on canucks???? you lost all credibility right there. I was quoting you on your statement that Florida didn't make the playoffs was related to Jokinen's ability as a player which was absolutely absurd. Give me evidence of Jokinen's terrible attitude as team captain. Only thing i've heard of is with one occasion with the Finnish national team.

they seem to have got it. so why can't you?


well, you just shot yourself in the foot there. name a time messier was considered a cancer in the dressing room? yeah, i admit, i hated him when he was here. but he had the experience and credentials and rings to back him up. what does jokinen have?

Once again give me evidence of Jokinen's poor attitude as team captain or gtfo. Messier's great leadership propelled the canucks during his tenure to great playoff performances right?? :p oh wait they never made the playoffs with him and he made Linden step down from team captain as well.

omg. where do you come up with this stuff? he didnt make linden step down. in an interview, linden stated he offered it to him as a sign of respect and messier took it. now whether keenan urged linden to do it or not we will never know. you tell me to gtfo? you post some of the most contradictory comments and misinformed info ever! actually, you know what? i will gtfo. cause interacting with you just dumbed me down a couple notches.

We were debating about Jokinen. Now you're going on about Messier? You clearly don't know how to debate jack shit. I asked you 2 times to give me evidence of Jokinen's terrible attitude as team captain of the Panthers yet you keep avoiding the argument.

wow look what i started hehe

ollie never leading florida anywhere...same argument was made about luongo too.... so...yeah!

Maybe you should re-read what you just said then.

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^he was hardly the reason why they didnt make the playoffs...you ever watch him play? 30 goal scorer, 70+ point big powerful center. Panthers didn't make the playoffs due to poor management..eg trading luongo. Besides Boumeester name someone on their defence that is legit Top 4 in the NHL.
Van Ryn (then), McCabe (now), maybe Bryan Allen?

We were talking about Florida's Top 4 that was iced last year WITH JOKINEN. You mentioned two players who have never dressed a game as a Panther yet. But i guess i wasn't being very specific...

i did not post "Van Ryn (then), McCabe (now), maybe Bryan Allen?"

I based what I said purely on what was in the newspaper months and months ago.............. it's futile to speculate, we don't know what goes on behind closed doors in the NHL, however, here are the exact quotes on Jokinen from the paper back when we were rumoured to be in the running to get him:

"Gillis alluded more to character issues.

"We didn't think he was the player we wanted to fit in with our team," he told the Vancouver Sun. "The reports we had were problematic for me and I really don't want to expand on it. We just didn't want to go in that direction."

Several teams appeared to have character issues with Jokinen, with one NHL executive calling Jokinen "a dog," referring to the idea he doesn't work as hard as he should."

I've really got no opinion about the guy, I was a bit surprised to be honest because I thought he seemed to be a good guy/hard worker/good player but these guys know what they're talking about so what can you say to dispute it... fact is fact.

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Totally why Gretzky wanted him on the team. I don't see any coach in the NHL no matter how horrible the coach, to name someone who is a cancer on the team TEAM CAPTAIN. I have never heard of teammates saying anything bad about him. I've seen him play and he isn't a dog like Yashin who floats around he actually plays gritty and works hard. He ain't no superstar but is a very good player with some good line mates can probably get 40 goals. Saying shit like he sucks because he didn't lead Florida anywhere is stupid. (which is exactly what you said 6thGear..)

The press release after the trade to fans from the Panthers organization didn't exactly praise him either lol!

They have to say that they just traded there franchise player away because they were to cheap to bring in a supporting cast and make an effort at being a winner. It's because of that he was leaving at the end of this year regardless.

who cares, Jokinen is a Coyote not a Canuck. we can talk about the "what ifs" all year long.

^ exactly. Who are we to know if he's not a "cancer" to a team or if he is. . Plus, would you trade 2 of our young players for him? I sure hell wouldn't. Sure, he's good and all but I don't think he's worth it if we only get him for 1 year.

You guys should seriously just patiently wait until the camp begins or so and see what happens then.

it's true. the only real time you trade away guys like what the panthers were looking for is if we're getting something either proven in invaluable in return. almost like the bert-luongo deal ;);)


the team we see today is not the team we will see in feb-mar.

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/a...lder/5scc5.jpg

Wow...look at how big Grabner has gotten over the past year

^ lol there are quite a few funny things going on in that picture.

who's the gorilla?

guy at the very left?

that's Darcy Hordichuk i believe

nah man

these are pics from the prospect training camp

the guy on the left is daniel rahimi

who's purple minivan?


roster players roll around on a custom prevost and the prospects get a van pool.

With all talk of Mats Sundin perhaps joining the Vancouver Canucks, it looks like the Vancouver Canucks might need to focus on a different Swede, or more accurately a pair of them.

According to the Team 1040 radio station, Henrik and Daniel Sedin, who are in the last year of their respective contracts will meet with new Canucks general manager Mike Gillis on Wednesday.

The Sedins are each entering the final year of a three-year, $10.75 million contract. Their agent J.P. Barry told the Team 1040 that the purpose of the meeting is to find out if the Sedins are a part of the club's long term plans.

"I think we just need to discuss where they (the Sedins) fit into the marketplace." Barry told the Team 1040. "We need to get into that kind of detail, and we haven't gotten there. We haven't discussed term; we haven't discussed their intention of what kind of term, or ours. So, until we get thru those discussions and term, we probably won't get to the dollar stage."

While specifics weren't givin by Barry, his other comments point to the Sedins looking for a big raise.

"We just finished an extension negotiation for Shawn Horcoff, who did almost a carbon copy deal of the Sedins last time, and since that was done two years ago, Daniel and Henrik have outpaced him quite a bit offensively," Barry told the Team 1040. "So, we're going to see deals like that in the marketplace – the Gomez, Drury deal - for players who go free. They've outpaced both Gomez and Drury over the last three years. You know, they've outscored those players, and those players went free, so I think the question is 'What's the price to stay, and what's the price to go?'"

Barry also admitted to the Team 1040 that the Sedins would very likely already have signed contract extensions if former general manager Dave Nonis was still in charge.

"Well probably, I mean you've got a manager that's been with them since they were 18 years old." Barry said. "You know, the intention was there, so I would assume, based on our past dealings, that we would have likely gotten something done at that stage."

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=248887&l...=headlines_nhl