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We have the whole entire team to blame, no single scapegoat here. Samuelson Sedins Burrows KESLER bernier demitra RAYMOND were all underachieving
The only people IMO that did well was Erhoff wellwood.

agree, the whole team is to blame, not just one individual

heres to next year!!!

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Originally Posted by DuhDang (Post 6949160)

I like how you say the whole team is to blame yet you all caps 2 players from that list.

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Originally Posted by Ch28 (Post 6949193)

I like how you say the whole team is to blame yet you all caps 2 players from that list.

and some only had the first letters capitalized. i think he's tryin to tell us something.

I hope San Jose fucking destroy the hawks

destory kane so i dont see his gay goal celebration

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Originally Posted by Noir (Post 6949122)

Those are all minor adjustments and really wouldn't make much of a difference. Last year, the minor adjustment of acquiring SOB and Sundin improved the team.

This year the minor adjustment of Erhoff and Samuelson made the team even better; but nowhere near close to a cup.

We come in every year with no major change in the team, and we are expected to win a cup?!
we cant even beat chicago for the second stragiht year and they cant even win the cup. What makes people believe we have what it takes?

Major changes this off season guranteed

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Originally Posted by wuuhoo (Post 6949251)

You have to admit, we're a much better team this year than the last. However, the young core of the Blackhawks, with the addition of Marian Hossa, are also more skilled and experienced this year as well. Remember, a lot of analysts are calling Chicago to win the cup this year.

I assure you, there might be 2-3 major acquisition in the off-season, that's about it. To me, our top 6 forwards are Sedins/Burrows/Kesler/Raymond/Samuellsson, and they are not going anywhere. Based on the way Ehrhoff/Edler/Salo/Edler played this season they aren't going anywhere either. There won't be major changes, guaranteed.

Well the g/f just told me a funny joke she heard today.

What do the canucks and titantic have in common?

They both look really good until they hit the ice :D
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Originally Posted by fobulaus (Post 6949268)

The right personnel are here, but as the series wore on, it's clear that the adjustments weren't made. AV was signed to a four-year extension this year, but he was out-coached again. Gillis will have to check his own ego and make some tough decisions over the summer.

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Originally Posted by murd0c (Post 6949277)

Well the g/f just told me a funny joke she heard today.

What do the canucks and titantic have in common?

They both look really good until they hit the ice :D
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http://misspinkslip.files.wordpress....4/titanic2.jpg

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Originally Posted by Tapioca (Post 6949287)

The right personnel are here, but as the series wore on, it's clear that the adjustments weren't made. AV was signed to a four-year extension this year, but he was out-coached again. Gillis will have to check his own ego and make some tough decisions over the summer.

I agree. I'm sure it was a tough decision for the Penguins to fire the coach a season after a SCF showing only to win the SC the next season with another coach.

But hey, Crosby is elite; Luongo is not. :)

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Originally Posted by fobulaus (Post 6949268)

Agreed. There's no point in blowing up the whole team and starting fresh. It'll put the team in a worse off position. Do you really want to follow the steps of the Maple Leafs? We've seen what that has done to the organization.

The Canucks have a decent core as we've seen in the regular season. The only real work they'll need to do is get more depth on the blue line. It's unfortunate that the Canucks burned their bridges with Schneider (the D man, not the goalie) at the time they did because I think having him around would have helped immensely)

Their effort would be better spent on trying to develop some team chemistry and perhaps having a specialist work with them on the psychological side of the game since we all know that their demise isn't from the lack of skill.

In either case, Luongo is going to have to step it up. Like it or not, he's a huge catalyst for the team and they lean on him a lot - not just to stop goals but as a motivation-wise as well. Hopefully he's not one of these "I got my fat contract so I'm just going to cruise on through until my next contract renewal year" type of players.

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Originally Posted by RiceIntegraRS (Post 6949064)

I honestly think Ryan Johnson is only good at blocking shots and faceoffs and thats it.

You say it like that's a bad thing.

He's not only good at blocking shots, he's the BEST.

And isn't faceoffs and blocking shots the #1 thing you want on a PK? And knowing how important it is to have a good PK (as we saw during the playoffs), wouldn't you want him on your He's playing 4th line minutes anyway so what more do you want from the 4th line when playing 5on5?

Johnson is a must resign in my books.

Now imagine if we get Volchenkov on the team....ULTIMATE PK SHOT BLOCKING!!!!!!!

Man, I'd love to see Volchenkov with a Canucks jersey.. but I think hes asking for at least 5 mil per season, otherwise the Sens would of extended his contract already.

Well im looking forward to next season already. We do have a decent core like syee said.
A Selke worthy forward in Kesler
Art Ross winner Henrik and maybe even Daniel if he wasnt injured

Along with Schroeder, Hodgson coming up (maybe shirokov?) we should expect even more depth scoring.

I hope MG can bolster our D and get a TRUE #1 defenseman...such as the Dan Boyles, Doughtys, Keiths, Webers out there. Or hopefully Edler can step up into that role like everyone projected he would become the "next lidstrom". I really believe that is what is stopping us from becoming an elite team. Imagine if we got Chris Pronger instead of Philly at draft day last year.

Luongo isnt really to blame. Not 100% at least. You guys are leaving him out to dry just like our defensemen in game 6.

But one thing about Lu is that he SHOULD NOT BE captain. SJ Sharks stripped Marleau of it this year and hes having a career season. Lu should be man enough to handle it. I wouldnt want him to be Captain for the next 11 years either or whatever his contract stipulates with the emergence of Kesler and possibly Hodgson(who we all pray to god plays like he did for Team Canada)

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Originally Posted by jonogunn8 (Post 6949319)

i think you're the first person i've talked to who wants johnson re-signed.

Correct me if I'm wrong but here's the players (so far) that I think are gone for next season;

Ryan Johnson
Pavol Demitra
Willie Mitchell
Tanner Glass
Andrew Raycroft

Here's what is out there;

D-men:

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Nicklas Lidstrom, Red Wings, 39, $7,450,000
Scott Niedermayer, Ducks, 35, $6,000,000
Sergei Gonchar, Penguins, 35, $5,500,000
Kim Johnsson, Blackhawks, 33, $5,300,000
Pavel Kubina, Thrashers, 32, $5,000,000
Paul Martin, Devils, 28, $4,500,000
Brett Clark, Avalanche, 32, $3,500,000
Andy Sutton, Senators, 34, $3,500,000
Rob Blake, Sharks, 39, $3,500,000
Willie Mitchell, Canucks, 32, $3,500,000
Mike Van Ryn, Maple Leafs, 30, $3,350,000
Derek Morris, Coyotes, 30, $3,300,000
Ruslan Salei, Avalanche, 34, $3,275,000
Henrik Tallinder, Sabres, 30, $3,250,000
Adam Foote, Avalanche, 37, $3,250,000
Anton Volchenkov, Senators, 27, $3,200,000
Toni Lydman, Sabres, 31, $3,150,000
Randy Jones, KIngs, 27, $3,000,000
Joe Corvo, Capitals, 32, $2,750,000
Aaron Ward, Ducks, 36, $2,500,000
Dan Hamhuis, Predators, 26, $2,500,000
Brian Pothier, Hurricanes, 32, $2,500,000
Dennis Seidenberg, Bruins, 27, $2,250,000
Adrian Aucoin, Coyotes, 35, $2,250,000
Mark Eaton, Penguins, 32, $2,000,000
Shaone Morrisonn, Capitals, 26, $1,975,000
Jordan Leopold, Penguins, 28, $1,750,000
Niclas Wallin, Sharks, 34, $1,725,000
Garnet Exelby, Maple Leafs, 27, $1,725,000
Paul Mara, Canadiens, 29, $1,675,000
Mathieu Schneider, Coyotes, 40, $1,550,000
Nick Boynton, Blackhawks, 30, $1,500,000
Zbynek Michalek, Coyotes, 26, $1,500,000
Carlo Colaiacovo, Blues, 26, $1,400,000
Milan Jurcina, Capitals, 26, $1,375,000
Andreas Lilja, Red Wings, 33, $1,250,000
Sean O'Donnell, Kings, 37, $1,250,000
Nathan Paetsch, Blue Jackets, 26, $1,050,000
Brett Lebda, Red Wings, 27, $850,000
Jay McKee, Penguins, 31, $800,000
Mike Weaver, Blues, 31, $800,000
Mike Mottau, Devils, 31, $775,000
Shane Hnidy, Wild, 33, $750,000
Marc-Andre Bergeron, Canadiens, 28, $750,000
Francis Bouillon, Predators, 33, $750,000
David Hale, Lightning, 28, $725,000
Jason Strudwick, Oilers, 33, $700,000
Lukas Krajicek, Flyers, 26, $700,000
Freddy Meyer, Islanders, 28, $600,000
Kurtis Foster, Lightning, 27, $600,000
Martin Skoula, Devils, 29, $575,000
Sheldon Brookbank, Ducks, 28, $550,000
Mike Lundin, Lightning, 24, $550,000

Centers:

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Patrick Marleau, Sharks, 30, $6,300,000
Olli Jokinen, Rangers, 31, $5,500,000
Saku Koivu, Ducks, 35, $3,250,000
Matt Cullen, Senators, 33, $2,800,000
John Madden, Blackhawks, 37, $2,750,000
Tomas Plekanec, Canadiens, 27, $2,750,000
Matthew Lombardi, Coyotes, 28, $2,350,000
Mike Modano, Stars, 40, $2,250,000
Chris Higgins, Flames, 27, $2,250,000
Doug Weight, Islanders, 39, $2,000,000
Jeff Halpern, Kings, 34, $2,000,000
Eric Belanger, Capitals, 32, $1,750,000
Jason Williams, Red Wings, 29, $1,500,000
Brendan Morrison, Capitals, 34, $1,500,000
Wayne Primeau, Maple Leafs, 34, $1,400,000
Kyle Wellwood, Canucks, 27, $1,200,000
Ryan Johnson, Canucks, 33, $1,200,000
Mike Comrie, Oilers, 29, $1,125,000
Dominic Moore, Canadiens, 29, $1,100,000
Vaclav Prospal, Rangers, 37, $1,100,000
Craig Conroy, Flames, 38, $1,000,000
Robert Lang, Coyotes, 39, $1,000,000
Glen Metropolit, Canadiens, 36, $1,000,000
Rob Niedermayer, Devils, 35, $1,000,000
Jim Slater, Thrashers, 27, $840,000
Rickard Wallin, Maple Leafs, 29, $800,000
Adam Mair, Sabres, 31, $775,000
Scott Nichol, Sharks, 35, $750,000
Adam Burish, Blackhawks, 27, $725,000
Manny Malhotra, Sharks, 27, $700,00
Jamie Lundmark, Maple Leafs, 29, $600,000
Krys Barch, Stars, 31, $575,000
Stephane Yelle, Avalanche, 35, $550,000
Derek MacKenzie, Blue Jackets, 30, $550,000
Toby Petersen, Stars, 31, $550,000
Andrew Ebbett, Wild, 27, $500,000
Zenon Konopka, Lightning, 29, $500,000

Wingers:

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Ilya Kovalchuk, Devils, 26, $7,500,000
Paul Kariya, Blues, 34, $6,000,000
Alexander Frolov, Kings, 27, $4,000,000
Vyacheslav Kozlov, Thrashers, 37, $3,850,000
Ray Whitney, Hurricanes, 37, $3,550,000
Fredrik Modin, Kings, 34, $3,500,000
Raffi Torres, Sabres, 27, $2,750,000
Alex Tanguay, Lightning, 29, $2,500,000
Alexei Ponikarovsky, Penguins, 29, $2,500,000
Darcy Tucker, Avalanche, 34, $2,300,000
Tomas Holmstrom, Red Wings, 36, $2,250,000
Keith Tkachuk, Blues, 37, $2,150,000
Ruslan Fedotenko, Penguins, 30, $1,800,000
Jere Lehtinen, Stars, 36, $1,500,000
Derek Boogaard, Wild, 27, $1,250,000
Matt Cooke, Penguins, 30, $1,200,000
Jon Sim, Islanders, 31, $1,000,000
Christoph Schubert, Thrashers, 27, $900,000
Steve Begin, Bruins, 31, $850,000
Brad Winchester, Blues, 28, $800,000
Eric Nystrom, Flames, 26, $775,000
Kirk Maltby, Red Wings, 36, $750,000
Stephane Veilleux, Lightning, 27, $750,000
Jody Shelley, Rangers, 33, $725,000
Taylor Pyatt, Coyotes, 27, $600,000
Eric Boulton, Thrashers, 32, $600,000
Raitis Ivanans, Kings, 30, $600,000
David Koci, Avalanche, 28, $575,000
Matt Ellis, Sabres, 27, $500,000
Quintin Laing, Capitals, 30,$500,000

Right Wing

Pavol Demitra, Canucks, 34, $4,000,000
Lee Stempniak, Coyotes, 26, $3,500,000
Owen Nolan, Wild, 37, $2,750,000
Scott Walker, Capitals, 35, $2,500,000
Fernando Pisani, Oilers, 32, $2,500,000
Marek Svatos, Avalanche, 27, $2,350,000
Teemu Selanne, Ducks, 39, $2,000,000
Bill Guerin, Penguins, 38, $2,000,000
Petr Sykora, Wild, 32, $1,600,000
Todd Bertuzzi, Red Wings, 34, $1,500,000
Jamal Mayers, Flames, 34, $1,400,000
Mike Grier, Sabres, 34, $1,200,000
Evgeny Artyukhin, Thrashers, 26, $1,000,000
Mark Recchi, Bruins, 41, $1,000,000
Richard Park, Islanders, 33, $800,000
Wade Belak, Predators, 32, $650,000
Shean Donovan, Senators, 34, $650,000
Arron Asham, Flyers, 31, $640,000
Shawn Thornton, Bruins, 31, $550,000
Tim Jackman, Islanders, 27, $550,000
Jed Ortmeyer, Sharks, 30, $550,000
Dean McAmmond, Devils, 36, $550,000
Brandon Bochenski, Lightning, 27, $550,000
Brian McGrattan, Flames, 27, $547,000

Goalies:

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Evgeni Nabokov, Sharks, 34, $6,000,000
Marty Turco, Stars, 34, $5,400,000
Jose Theodore, Capitals, 33, $4,500,000
Vesa Toskala, Flames, 33, $4,000,000
Chris Mason, Blues, 34, $3,000,000
Dan Ellis, Predators, 30, $2,000,000
Ray Emery, Flyers, 27, $1,500,000
Martin Biron, Islanders, 32, $1,400,000
Peter Budaj, Avalanche, 27, $1,250,000
Johan Hedberg, Thrashers, 37, $1,175,000
Patrick Lalime, Sabres, 33, $1,000,000
Alex Auld , Rangers, 27, $1,000,000
Stephen Valiquette, Rangers, 32, $725,000
Joey MacDonald, Ducks, 30, $650,000
Michael Leighton, Flyers, 29, $600,000
Curtis Sanford, Canadiens, 30, $600,000
Wade Dublelewicz, Wild, 31, $600,000
Antero Niittymaki, Lightning, 30, $600,000
Dany Sabourin, Bruins, 29, $600,000
Brent Johnson, Penguins, 33, $525,000
Yann Danis, Devils, 29, $500,000
Andrew Raycroft, Canucks, 30, $500,000
Manny Legace, Hurricanes, 37, $500,000

i dont think the team can "make" Luongo give up the C, Luongo has to surrender on his behalf ?

It can be taken away from him. Like when they took it away from Marleau and gave it to Blake.

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Originally Posted by syee (Post 6949314)

In either case, Luongo is going to have to step it up. Like it or not, he's a huge catalyst for the team and they lean on him a lot - not just to stop goals but as a motivation-wise as well. Hopefully he's not one of these "I got my fat contract so I'm just going to cruise on through until my next contract renewal year" type of players.

He's not.

But he is one those: "I'm fucking elite, so I don't have to do anything because everything is everyone else's fault" type of player.

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I really wonder where all those smug posters from Game 5 are now who were spamming their "I told you so's" all over. It's funny how 1 good game can instantenously blind someone about the immediate previous 3 games into thinking everything is all good.

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Originally Posted by raygunpk (Post 6949346)

i think you're the first person i've talked to who wants johnson re-signed.

Can't believe what I'm reading on this board.

Do we not watch the same games? The guy made flinging his body at a slapshot an art.

He often leads or is in the top 5 in the league in shot blocking.

This year he had crap load of injuries so he wasn't able to do as much.

He's a 4th liner getting paid peanuts.

Who would you want to replace him with? Another "tough guy" like Hordichuk?

I know this is REALLY ill-timed as we just embarassingly got blown out of the playoffs but it's his style of play that wins big games.

How many players did you see lay down to block a shot in the playoffs other than him? None. All you see is Kesler half-crouching down in front of the shot and all we did was see the shots get thru to the net and banged in on the rebounds. It happened against LA and it happened against Chicago.

Given what's happened and the fact that he IS a 4th line player (knowing the high turnover rates for 4th line players), he'll prob be gone next year.

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Originally Posted by tonyvu (Post 6949240)

I hope San Jose fucking destroy the hawks

They will, hawks don't have a chance against SJ I think its going to be 4-2 for the sharks and then the final will be Sharks VS Bruins 4-3 Sharks.

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Originally Posted by jonogunn8 (Post 6949378)

yes i have watched him in games. i have watched him blow defensive coverages while in our zone. i have watched him skate around without a clue on the PK. i have watched him "fling himself" at a shooter only to get side stepped.

yes he blocks shots fearlessly, that is to be respected. but the book is out on him that he takes himself out of position by doing so. fake a shot, side step his body, and you've got a clear shot to the net.

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Originally Posted by jonogunn8 (Post 6949378)

Yes!

You know what I like about Hordichuk? His intentional open ice hit on Marty Turco (when Turco was getting cocky on how far out the net he will play the puck). The Canucks lacked that kind of dirtyness against Chicago and Byfuglien went to town on Luongo and destroyed Edler.

Now I understand the guy is no Ovechkin but the purpose of his acquisition was far under-utilized IMO. Or maybe AV didn't know how to properly utilize that asset to his benefit. Who knows how the Hawks would approach the Canucks if we had someone that could return the favor tit-for-tat on the Hawks key players.