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DanHibiki 05-12-2010 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Noir (Post 6949395)
Yes!

You know what I like about Hordichuk? His intentional open ice hit on Marty Turco (when Turco was getting cocky on how far out the net he will play the puck). The Canucks lacked that kind of dirtyness against Chicago and Byfuglien went to town on Luongo and destroyed Edler.

Now I understand the guy is no Ovechkin but the purpose of his acquisition was far under-utilized IMO. Who knows how the Hawks would approach the Canucks if we had someone that could return the favor tit-for-tat on the Hawks key players.

That was the ONLY thing I've ever liked Hordichuk do. It's a shame he didn't do more of it 'cause I honestly don't see what else he brings to the game. There was a reason why he didn't play in the playoffs at all this year.

Rypien is our #1 tough guy IMO despite him being much smaller than the usual tough guy size. But when he fights it really gets the team and fans jacked up since he always goes in as the underdog and holds his own.

Tapioca 05-12-2010 03:11 PM

The problem with our "pluggers" is this - they have one skill (e.g. fighting, shot-blocking, etc.), but they have nothing else. We need our bottom six to be able to skate, have confidence to carry the puck out of the zone, and chip in once in a while. Aside from Kyle Wellwood, nobody on the bottom six was remotely threatening. Let me break it down:

Ryan Johnson - has decent speed, courage, and faceoff skills, but no hands and little hockey sense
Darcy Hordichuk - can hit, but rarely wins fights
Rick Rypien - can fight, has a decent shot when given time, but little hockey sense
Jannik Hansen - has NHL speed and can chirp, but no hands
Steve Bernier - can stand in front of the net, but can't skate, can't hit, has no hands
Tanner Glass - can hit, but doesn't have NHL speed and can't make decisions quick enough at this level

Noir 05-12-2010 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jonogunn8 (Post 6949405)
Rypien is our #1 tough guy IMO despite him being much smaller than the usual tough guy size. But when he fights it really gets the team and fans jacked up since he always goes in as the underdog and holds his own.

Tough isn't just limited to fights. It's more about hitting. Ever since Game 2, Period 2, Canucks were flinching at every Hawk bodycheck. In return, most of our hits were soft to the point that finishing their checks looked like touching along the boards :(

There is a use for the Hordichuk-type players out there and it's not for scoring, playmaking or defense. Its for softening up the other team; which is exactly what the Hawks did by adding Burish and Eager to the lineup from Game 2 on onwards.

DanHibiki 05-12-2010 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by raygunpk (Post 6949393)
yes i have watched him in games. i have watched him blow defensive coverages while in our zone. i have watched him skate around without a clue on the PK. i have watched him "fling himself" at a shooter only to get side stepped.

yes he blocks shots fearlessly, that is to be respected. but the book is out on him that he takes himself out of position by doing so. fake a shot, side step his body, and you've got a clear shot to the net.

For every time he gets side stepped, he blocks 2 shots. If you notice, a lot of the shots he blocks are the cross ice passes for one-timers from the point. And the shooters rarely stop the puck to sidestep those. More often then not, when you see a juicy onetime pass coming your way, you take it. The goalie is caught moving side to side and most players aren't set for it. Those are the times Johnson goes down to block the shot.

And remember 3 years back when the number 1 topic was how we couldn't win a damn faceoff? And now our faceoff % is just fine because of Henrik, Kesler, and Johnson.

When it comes down to a crucial PK, late in a game and tied, you want to win that faceoff.

Tegra_Devil 05-12-2010 03:36 PM

GO MONTREAL GO 2-0!!!!!

raygunpk 05-12-2010 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jonogunn8 (Post 6949432)
For every time he gets side stepped, he blocks 2 shots. If you notice, a lot of the shots he blocks are the cross ice passes for one-timers from the point. And the shooters rarely stop the puck to sidestep those. More often then not, when you see a juicy onetime pass coming your way, you take it. The goalie is caught moving side to side and most players aren't set for it. Those are the times Johnson goes down to block the shot.

And remember 3 years back when the number 1 topic was how we couldn't win a damn faceoff? And now our faceoff % is just fine because of Henrik, Kesler, and Johnson.

When it comes down to a crucial PK, late in a game and tied, you want to win that faceoff.

PK % numbers:

178 for 223 (79.8%) with Johnson.

71 for 81 (87.6%) without Johnson.

This chart shows shorthanded minutes per shorthanded goal allowed. 9-10 first column, 08-09 second column. The first number shows the rate which a SH goal is allowed when they're on the ice, the second number shows the rate when they're on the bench.

Burrows: 13.6/7.1, 8.7/8.4
Kesler: 10.2/7.7, 8.8/8.2
Raymond: 9.3/8.4, 9.4/8.4
Hansen: 8.7/8.6, 11.7/8.1
Johnson: 5.8/11.1, 6.6/9.9

So with Burrows on the PK, we gave up a power play goal every 13.6 minutes. When he's benched, we gave up one every 7.1 minutes.
Now look at Johnson's numbers.

He plays hard, sacrifices the body, has a lot of heart. But he just doesn't have the hockey IQ and doesn't fit in our system. That being said, Gillis and AV have a hard-on for the guy, so I wouldn't be surprised if he's back.

Harvey Specter 05-12-2010 03:51 PM

Wow @ the Habs but still a long ways to go. The Habs blew a 4-1 lead vs the Caps.

quasi 05-12-2010 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by raygunpk (Post 6949445)
PK % numbers:

178 for 223 (79.8%) with Johnson.

71 for 81 (87.6%) without Johnson.

This chart shows shorthanded minutes per shorthanded goal allowed. 9-10 first column, 08-09 second column. The first number shows the rate which a SH goal is allowed when they're on the ice, the second number shows the rate when they're on the bench.

Burrows: 13.6/7.1, 8.7/8.4
Kesler: 10.2/7.7, 8.8/8.2
Raymond: 9.3/8.4, 9.4/8.4
Hansen: 8.7/8.6, 11.7/8.1
Johnson: 5.8/11.1, 6.6/9.9

So with Burrows on the PK, we gave up a power play goal every 13.6 minutes. When he's benched, we gave up one every 7.1 minutes.
Now look at Johnson's numbers.

He plays hard, sacrifices the body, has a lot of heart. But he just doesn't have the hockey IQ and doesn't fit in our system. That being said, Gillis and AV have a hard-on for the guy, so I wouldn't be surprised if he's back.

Agree, he's no Murray Baron. I'd rather see them try someone who would fit better then resign Johnson.

shawn79 05-12-2010 03:54 PM

subban owning crosby
and hes the #1 selling jersey at the bell center right now ahead of camalleri

fliptuner 05-12-2010 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Tegra_devil (Post 6949441)
GO MONTREAL GO 2-0!!!!!

woot woot. I got +240 on the Habs.

Ch28 05-12-2010 04:00 PM

San Jose vs Chicago
Boston vs Montreal

San Jose vs Boston finals

SilverBlitz 05-12-2010 04:11 PM

wow 4 - 0 Montreal

DsZ24 05-12-2010 04:12 PM

Bye bye pittsburgh hahaha, go habs

Vansterdam 05-12-2010 04:12 PM

habs are pwning LOL they pulled fleury

SilverBlitz 05-12-2010 04:14 PM

wow so close almost another goal

hotjoint 05-12-2010 04:17 PM

Halak is a beast

RiceIntegraRS 05-12-2010 04:23 PM

i told my friends MTL in 7 against WSH and then i said MTL/PIT series would go 7 games, never thought they could actually pull it off

Lomac 05-12-2010 04:34 PM

Gee, the MTL game is getting intense! :eek:

Hondaracer 05-12-2010 04:41 PM

Rypien/Hansen are the only bottom 2 line players i'd want to keep

everyone else is completely expendable imo, Johnson isnt even a "defensive forward" all he does it block shots, he doesnt play a shut down game and has virtually zero offensive upsides

everyone else is basically the same and just fill roles

Ch28 05-12-2010 04:44 PM

Hansen has no finish whatsoever.

RiceIntegraRS 05-12-2010 04:50 PM

Hansen's goals arent pretty but for a guy who played half the season, and plays 4th line minutes can pk and still be able to score 9 goals. I'd keep him for cheap

RiceIntegraRS 05-12-2010 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Hondaracer (Post 6949508)
Rypien/Hansen are the only bottom 2 line players i'd want to keep

everyone else is completely expendable imo, Johnson isnt even a "defensive forward" all he does it block shots, he doesnt play a shut down game and has virtually zero offensive upsides

everyone else is basically the same and just fill roles

to add to this, he has to block shots cause the puck is never on his stick.

MG1 05-12-2010 05:10 PM

Go, Pittsburgh, GO!!!!!

MG1 05-12-2010 05:11 PM

Go, Boston, GO!!!!

DanHibiki 05-12-2010 05:19 PM

GIONNNNNNNNNNTAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!


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