Its not in effect yet.

man years ago i got my service cutoff from shaw for only using 85 gigs (with 60g plan) ... why the hell was i so special, and you guys not?!

You should really READ this thread. Already been mentioned that it doesn't start till February and you get 2 warnings before they start charging.

I've been disconnected in the past many many years ago back in the Rogers days. With shaw I did get a couple warnings but no disconnection. After I upgraded to extreme haven't had so much as a peep for years.

I don't think ppl have a problem paying their fair share or even UBB under the right conditions. The real problem is:
1) They're an oligopoly.
2) They have an incentive to crowd out competing products like VoD in favor of their own (which is usually lower quality and more expensive).
3) Cloud services (like dropbox, etc) become collateral damage. This is where a lot cool new shit is gonna be coming from.. server farms.

Get your head out of your ass.


Canada pays more than most countries in the world for mobile service and its getting to be the same for internet services aswell. Where do we draw the line as citizens? Personally i dont like monopolies doing money grabs, at the moment UBB is exactly that. I rely on the internet to do my job and i dont want to prices to skyrocket for no good reason.


And your damn rights, if any party sticks up for ME as a citizen and i would vote for them. No i didnt vote for Libby Davies but she represents my riding so yes im still going to voice my concern to her! Alot more than other people do... which is alot of bitching on the internet and getting nothing else done in the real world

Netflix plans to publish statistics on best/worst ISPs:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-31001_3-20029728-261.html

heard on news 1130 that if someone on telus constantly goes over they will be charged extra.

Won't matter with people on Optik because Telus cant measure there bandwidth yet.

Boo hoo. So we pay more than many other countries for Internet access. We also pay way less for other services as well. Why aren't you all off bitching about oil/gas prices? The amount your expenses have increased in recent years if you drive a vehicle makes these internet charges seem like chump change. It's all a matter of perspective - I don't see Interent as costing me enough money to feel the need to do something about it.

You still with hostway or have you moved on? What exactly does this do to make things more difficult/expensive for your job? I wonder, are you going to vote NDP because they will save you personally $50 per month on Internet fees, or Conservative because they will save your company (employer) $10,000 per month in taxes? Which political party will actually benefit you more overall, not just in one specific area? I never ask people their affiliations, but I wonder who you voted for in the past and what specific reasons you had (like most people, myself included, it would probably be the party that benefits you financially the most).

The United Nations proposed that Internet access should be a basic human right. I agree 100%. The Internet is pretty much becoming a necessity for anyone looking for work, trying to get an education, do research or even communicate with others. But The United Nations didn't say watching HD entertainment over the Internet was a basic human right. You wanna use it for entertainment, you gotta pay, IMO.


And Netlix is so-so, IMO. Tried it for 2 months and there wasn't much I wanted to watch I hadn't already seen. The concept is great, though, and I found the execution of their service to be first rate. I kept it for my kids, but I won't use it much.

What I wish Netflix would do is offer various premium services and packages. I would gladly pay $29.99 or $39.99 a month for all the latest TV shows and movies. No more having to set the PVR to record a show I wanted to watch - just stream it when I feel like watching. This is obviously the way TV will be done in the near future. Then I'd drop Shaw for TV, upgrade my data plan and switch to Netflix (or maybe some future competitor) for all my viewing needs.

FiveDime already mentioned the reasons as to why Netflix is only soso. We also don't get a lot of the services that's available in the states.


This is exactly why Shaw is enforcing these caps now.

Shaw, Bell, Rogers, et al. are enforcing caps now because they're allowed to now, since the CRTC changed the regulations. They would have enforced them a decade ago if they could have. Everyone jumping ship for Telus and locking into long-term contracts is in for a shock when Telus follows suit - you better read that fine print because I guarantee you it will include a clause that allows them to change and enforce caps with little or no notice.

Sure they're allowed to now. It's cause they pushed for it to get passed by the CRTC. Imagine if Netflix decided to stay out of Canada, do you think we'd be in this situation?

They are business and all they care about in the first place is money. Screw over everyone and make money while they're at it.

Just take a look at how the mobile market has changed because the CRTC allowed other companies to play. When could you even get close to unlimited everything for $40 without Wind/Mobilicity? That would've costed an arm and a leg without them.

It may seem like Telus is the option to go to now, but like what's been said in this thread is that they can't find a way to put a meter on the bandwidth. I think it's cause the TV data is being sent on the same line and it'll be hard to differentiate between TV and the internet.

This is kind of a bad analogy but think about them putting a cap on your TV? How would you feel about that? I know not everyone watches TV but that's the only thing I can think of right now. Like a new channel comes out that plays new releases of movies regularly, shaw doesn't like this so they put a cap on how much TV a month you could watch and them charging you extra for each 30minute interval of TV you watch.

So was looking at my bandwidth usage through Shaw last night, and I was at 13.3gb after 4 days into my billing period. Today, within 24 hours, my usage was up to 14.8gb... and I haven't been online for the past 20 hours. Is it likely someone is piggybacking on my wireless connection? My router is using WPA-PSK with an 18-digit key.

I don't believe that for a second. It would be ridiculously easy for them to differentiate, the easiest way would probably be to read the data logs from the TV box(es) to see how much data they're using, and subtract that from the total. There are a half-dozen other ways to do it as well - look up SNMP, for example.

login to your router's wireless login.
check which mac addresses are connected to your wireless.

Check your router's logs, too... I've seen my router filter brute-force attacks trying to find and login to an FTP server or even to the router admin page, and that can generate a lot of traffic.

They can't do that yet.

Yea you're right Soundy. Sooner or later they'll implement it but I guess for now Telus is riding this shaw is going to screw us over train until people switching over die down and then BAM they pull the switch too.

Unless you know our petitions, emails, letters, and calls actually do something and maybe things will change.

They just don't want to.

They'd be one shitty company if they didn't know how much data their TV servers were sending out. How else are they gonna manage capacity? They probably just don't wanna bother tracking data usage for each and every household unless you're a problem.

Even you can see everything that's being sent over your network: http://www.wireshark.org/

random youtube

You keep on believing that. SNMP would tell them everything they need to know, and it's a technology nearly as old as the Internet itself - we were learning about it in a training course 20 years ago. Shaw's cable modems support it... their HD cable boxes support it... Telus's DSL modems support it... I guarantee you Telus's Optik boxes support it.

The thing that gets me is everyone rushing over from Shaw to Telus... and signing into a contract. Three months down the road, if or WHEN Telus goes the same route, all those people will be screwed even worse because they'll now be stuck with Telus' pricing for two years or more.

Yea, they're internet isn't at all bad. It's just that their service is terrible. Only reason why my dad doesn't want to switch over.

Things can still change though... hopefully.

Thanks guys, I'll look into once I figure out the router's menus.

What router is it?

An old D-link DI-524.

So far I looked at the "Dynamic DHCP Client list", and my two computers are listed. There's a third client without a host name in the list, which I've tested to be my phone. Is this sufficient to figure out whether there's another user accessing the router? I just cleared the log and made note of my computer's MAC addresses, so I can monitor that in the next little while too.