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Originally Posted by Culverin (Post 7287048)

Hmmm...

So with the Big guys and now Teksavvy charging for overages, is there anybody else we can fall back on to use as leverage against these guys?

If by guys, you mean small ISPs. The answer is NO.

The only way we can fight back now is to write letters to the CRTC and Industry Canada to raise awareness, as other have pointed out.

nope, not at the moment. i say just dont sign any contracts right now and give it a little time to see what happens over the next month or two. most likely nothing will change tho and you'll have to live with it.

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Originally Posted by Culverin (Post 7287048)

Hmmm...

So with the Big guys and now Teksavvy charging for overages, is there anybody else we can fall back on to use as leverage against these guys?

Nope they got a Monopoly of sorts.

Guess I was a little too late in posting the link from Telus' FAQ they took it down lol

http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/5608/196/

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r254...ited-Internetq

today was the first I heard of this new UBB over lunch with my brother and it's really got me worried. I spoke with Shaw tonight to get an idea of average monthly data use and in October 2010 I was 368G and have been steadily above 250G since then. In Jan. alone I've used 59gigs in 9 days. My Billing cycle is the 22nd of each month!

Needless to say I'm fucked!

Liberals are making this an election issue. http://www.liberal.ca/ubb/

Of course they are. If they were that worried about having even a slight chance of getting elected, they'd ditch Ignatief first :troll:

Looks like this is really gaining a lot of steam the past couple of days

PmoSoudas Dimitri Soudas
We're very concerned about CRTC's decision on usage-based billing and it impact on consumers. PM has asked for a review of the decision.

^ He's the Communications Director to Stephen Harper

http://www.theprovince.com/Clement+h...219/story.html

OTTAWA — Industry Minister Tony Clement hinted the Conservative government is leaning toward quashing last week's controversial decision by Canada's telecommunications regulator, which effectively kills unlimited Internet pricing packages.

http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2...g-clement.html

Prime Minister Stephen Harper requests review on CRTC decision, will decide before March 1st!

Keep the letters/emails/signatures going!

If they DO keep up with the UBB, there is a better, cheaper way to get around the data transfer limits.

http://www.thepaltrysapien.com/2011/...net-in-canada/

:D

Things are looking up, but if we really want to put pressure on them we should protest in front of Shaw offices.

^ sounds good to me.

reading the comments, you can tell who's either dumb as a fucking post, or working for one of the providers

yea also on news1130

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OTTAWA (NEWS1130) - The Canadian government may soon be hitting the Escape Key on the plan to charge people based on their Internet usage.

A government source has confirmed to News1130 if the CRTC doesn't reverse its recent decision, the Prime Minister and the Industry Minister will overturn it.

Last month, the CRTC ruled large internet providers will be able to charge smaller providers on a per-byte basis starting March 1st.

The CRTC chair will appear before an industry committee Thursday.

http://www.news1130.com/news/local/a...usage-decision

So....how are the ppl that jumped on to the telus bandwagon and signing up for new contracts feeling now?

Another article

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The Harper government will overturn the CRTC’s decision that effectively ends “unlimited use” Internet plans if the regulator doesn’t rescind the decision itself.

Industry Minister Tony Clement made the surprise announcement late Wednesday night via his closely followed Twitter account.

He confirmed reports by The Globe and Mail and other media that the Tories were prepared to take this step.

“True. CRTC must go back to drawing board,” he tweeted after being asked if it was true the government would act “if the CRTC does not back down.”

Given this ultimatum from the Tories, the options facing the independent regulator are to reconsider the ruling of its own volition or see the cabinet use its power to reverse it.

Mr. Clement later defended his decision on Twitter, saying: “This is about forcing a single business model on all competitors. I'm for market choice.”

The Harper government has taken a keen interest in the CRTC ruling that’s sparked a massive consumer backlash and caught the attention of all political parties in Ottawa.

Mr. Harper has personally intervened on the file to signal his displeasure this week.

If the Harper government is forced to act, it would mean that independent Internet service providers would not be forced to switch to per-byte billing from “unlimited access” accounts.

It would not prevent the big Internet providers from continuing to use metered billing as they have for years. But the fact that smaller providers could offer unlimited accounts has likely acted as a competitive check on the market and helped keep prices from rising.

Earlier Wednesday night, Mr. Clement turned up the heat on CRTC chair Konrad von Finckenstein on the eve of the regulator’s Commons committee grilling over the decision.

The minister used his Twitter account to broadcast his unease about the ruling, raising the stakes for Mr. von Finckenstein’s appearance Thursday.

The regulatory chief has been called on the carpet before MPs to explain the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission ruling.

Mr. Clement, who only this week announced his government is probing whether to overturn the decision, late Wednesday served notice that he will be closely scrutinizing the comments of Mr. von Finckenstein, the very regulator whose decision he’s now second-guessing. The CRTC is independent but cabinet has the power to amend or rescind its rulings.

Using his Twitter instant messaging account – followed by more than 8,300 people, including journalists and many in political circles – Mr. Clement hammered home how skeptical he is of the CRTC decision concerning what Internet providers call “usage-based billing.”

“I’m looking forward to the CRTC chairman’s appearance before the House Industry Committee … to explain his support for the UBB decision,” the Industry Minister said via Twitter.

To drive home his point, Mr. Clement quickly added: “I remain very concerned by the UBB decision of the CRTC and look forward to my review being completed ASAP.”

Mr. Clement is the most avid Twitter user in the federal cabinet, having posted more than 2,500 messages. He’s shown a knack for careful tweeting that avoids missteps. While he discusses music and his personal life, his political-themed messages are normally worded to make a point rather than repeat blandishments.

Mr. Clement and the Harper cabinet have overturned the CRTC before, of course, by striking down the regulator's ruling that Globalive, which now operates Wind Mobile, couldn't launch service in the regulated sector because of foreign financial backing.

A CRTC official said this week the agency has received thousands of complaints about its decision, which allows large Internet providers such as BCE Inc.'s Bell Canada to charge smaller providers who lease space on their networks on a per-byte, or usage, basis.

On Tuesday, Prime Minister Stephen Harper himself took the unusual step of intervening in the controversy, putting more heft behind Mr. Clement's move to review the CRTC ruling – a strong sign of the Conservatives’ displeasure with the regulator’s decision.

It's an unwelcome development for major Internet providers, which have fought for years for the CRTC ruling that effectively ends “unlimited” Internet download plans.

The Conservatives have made it clear they are on the side of consumers and small business in this dispute.

“We want to ensure that the Internet is available for consumers, small businesses, innovators and creators. That is what we are all about,” Mr. Clement told the Commons Wednesday.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1892522/

Not over by a long shot, this only affects the competition from the smaller ISP's using the big guys networks. Shaw caps are still going from 125gb to 100gb, and on march 1st shaw will still be enforcing their cap with $1+ per gigabyte fees.

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From what the Globe reports, major telecom companies (Bell, Shaw, Rogers, Videotron), will still be allowed to impose UBB on their retail customers.

I will believe it when I see it. So let's not to get carried away. Much of this is just politicians trying to score some political points. But they should know this will be a big issue come election time.

yea shaw is also bumping price by 2 dollars on internet and pushing everyone to digital boxes and also going with UBB.
Im lovin my Telus Optik TV + Optik Turbo. Remote recording PVR ftw as well.

^Be sure to let us know if you're still loving it after Telus implements overage fees as well... which they WILL do if the regulation stands.

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Originally Posted by Soundy (Post 7290464)

^Be sure to let us know if you're still loving it after Telus implements overage fees as well... which they WILL do if the regulation stands.

http://images3.makefive.com/images/e...e-downer-7.jpg

As others have pointed out, this isn't going to stop UBB but if the small isps are going to be offering unlimited plans then hopefully the big telcos will have to follow in order to stay competitive. That's IF the regulation is rescinded and the CRTC doesn't come up with some revised crafty bullshit. I'm thinking they might just up the wholesale discount and hope that satisfies the small isps.

yep its not gonna stop UBB, even on telus. I can only assume by the time they do charge for overusage, they will also have data packs to compete in the market. Else I will be probably getting Teksavy installed as well so i'll have my bw spread between the 2 in the household.
But yeah I was fed up with Shaw's CS hotlines as well, wait times are way too long sometimes and then you try to call up tech support only to have someone to answer after 2 hours and not even able to do jack. Also them changing their terms and pricing without any notification to me despite having been their customer did the final blow and I switched.

What we need is some real competition. They should open it up to intentional providers.

We need to still keep the pressure on Shaw even if they change the law back.

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Originally Posted by Manic! (Post 7290677)

What we need is some real competition. They should open it up to intentional providers.

I wAnder if there are any UNintentional providers out there??