Are you in favour of extingushing the HST?

[Gridlock]

18 months??? They'll skip the handouts they were using to buy votes, and ride it out to use the full extra amount that the HST brought in to pay it off.

Time for another recall campaign...I want that thing gone Dec.31.

I'm getting a lot of neg. vibes here regarding the education level of people that voted yes.

I voted yes.

I am educated. I understand the benefits of the HST. I voted yes because it didn't work for me. I decided not to think about the province, and the poor and everyone else out there that I'm sure I was supposed to think about.

I voted for me, and for my clients.

Reason 1:

I own a small business. I'm a contractor. I primarily renovate rental apartments these days.

I saw the huge jump in the tax amount on my invoices. As my clients are the primary users of what I do, they cannot write off the HST, even though they are a business, as there is no HST on rent.

Their income on a property is based on market conditions in the neighborhood at the initial setting of the rent, and then regulated by the province until they decide to move.

So, in short, its just a big increase in the expense of renovating and building improvements.

Even if I took every penny of PST savings that I obtain by being able to claim it under HST and handed it over on the bill, its still more expensive.

And I've said this many times in this thread...I look at sub-total and my clients look at total.

Reason 2:

The business benefits claims that would result in lower prices are hard to imagine.

In order for it to work, you would have to have multiple steps in the production chain, all canadian sources and all operating in an HST environment.

Then that cascade passing of taxes to the final consumer would result in a pool of savings that could be used to lower prices while maintaining profit.

Reason 3:

I'm not going to lie...it was a little about retribution for its introduction.

They hoped they could weather the storm. Turns out, they couldn't.

I have been a liberal supporter since 2000ish in this province(the election that brought campbell to power) and for more years on the east coast.

I still support the liberals over the NDP. Way more. I hate the NDP.

But, I can't support bad politics.

His people came to him and said the deficit is going to be far larger than originally planned. Campbell came to power by slamming the NDP's spending.

So, he didn't do what was right for the province. He took the federal money to close the hole and try to look clean.

They tried to sell it as being good for the province.

Reason 4:

Clark is even worse.

She tried to buy votes. She was prepared to hand out checks to certain groups(families and elderly) to transfer wealth.

And I hated it. I hated the idea of checks going out to groups of people. I pay in HST-I collect HST-I fill out HST paperwork.

Where's my cut?

I liked the idea of cutting the HST to 10%. I think it should have been introduced at 10%. I think they should have just said, vote no, and HST goes to 10% the next fucking day.

But they signed a paper that the HST % couldn't be changed for a certain time. I'm sorry, the Canadian gov't is now dictating what happens provincially? And you people signed it?

10% is fantastic....prepared food is a little more, cars and tv's are a little less.

Your poor? Cool. Eat at home, and you'll never notice. You're rich? Awesome. Buy that hot Mercedes...you'll love it. It's cheaper.

Reason 5-The random reasons

The liberals spent millions on their campaign. Millions of our dollars ps. Then their business friends spent even more.

Those stick men commercials drove me nuts.

I don't like Christy Clark's voice

Kevin Falcon is a putz.

They intentionally tried to make the question confusing to get some dumb people to vote the wrong way.

Conclusion:

I looked at the ballot, and thought about it.

In the end, I said fuck it. The mistake was already made. Time to cut and run.

And I voted to scrap the HST.

And next election, I'll vote to scrap Clark as well. That leaves me voting for the conservative party, so apparently I'm for that ultra right wing blow hard as oppsed to the wealth transferring liberals and NDP.

[Meowjin]

Some Woman This move is going to cost the middle class more money...I'm middle class and I am NOT cheering. People don't understand that this will just end up causing our taxes to go up..(He finance minister just said they reserve the right to end pst exemptions so this just cost us a billion dollars for nothing. Smart move 'middle class'
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MHTRP The middle class were not striking down HST lol. NDP areas are not middle class at all.
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[xpl0sive]

funny how their stupid way of asking the question didnt confuse enough people... i actually had to explain to my buddies italian grandparents what the ballot was actually asking. they were initially going to vote No, thinking that voting No meant No HST. i explained that the way the question is posed, they need to vote YES if they don't want HST. they were really confused... now i'm wondering about how many other registered voters do not comprehend english well and voted No thinking they were voting against the HST?

[Culverin]

Those who didn't vote don't get to complain.

I'm just saying.

[CP.AR]

Originally Posted by taylor192

The GST was brought in in much worse times. The difference was people were not given a choice, if they were the result would be much the same.

sorry didn't know about that

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by TRDood

Because implementation of the new tax cost money. Adminstration is not free, awareness campaigns are not free, information is not free.

Going back to the old tax will have the same costs.

The shifting of tax structure may be revenue neutral in the long run, not in the short run.

Not to burst your bubble cause I agree with all that.... yet the HST actually ended up being revenue generating, thus the shortfall.

[Mr.HappySilp]

I work for a small business and this does not go well with us. I voted NO since well it affects my company but I also knew it will cost us millions if not billions to convert back to GST/PST and we have to pay back the fed govs.

HST is already here so why not accept it. I paid the household expenisve and I honestly don't see the issue with paying maybe an extra $200 to 300 per year but gets a way bigger bonus at work. As someone have said earlier it is a bad time to go back to GST/PST during economy downtimes. It will cost company more money to convert back and also all the potental sales or potental business that might operate in BC might no longer happen. So the cost will be pass down to us anyways.

Also people are under the assumption that PST will remain at 7% once it is coverted back. That's not 100% true. The gov will rasie the PST with some BS excuse so it will no longer be 7%. Remember the gov needs to find some ways to pay off the 3billion dollars. The only way to do is either increase tax or cut programs.

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by Gridlock

I'm getting a lot of neg. vibes here regarding the education level of people that voted yes.

Look at some of the comments coming from those who voted yes and you'll see your educated comments stand out like a sore thumb.

[StylinRed]

BC Finance Minister Kevin Falcon says he is disappointed but not surprised voters decided to scrap the HST.

Falcon admits his government is to blame for the bungled roll-out of the tax in 2009, which, to many, appeared like a backdoor deal. He says the province is aiming to return to the PST/GST system by March 31st, 2013.

He also says BC will honour its deal with the federal government but will negotiate around paying back the $1.6 billion Ottawa gave BC in transition funding.

"That is going to be subject to negotiations and discussions. I'm not going to be having a public negotiation, but we will honour the commitment we made to keep up our end of the bargain. I intend to be meeting with [Federal Finance] Minister Flaherty in September to begin those discussions on how we are going to do that."

Falcon says it will be a challenge to manage what he pegs as a $3 billion budget hole, but he's confidentl they can do it.

BC chooses to scrap the HST - News1130

Originally Posted by taylor192

Look at some of the comments coming from those who voted yes and you'll see your educated comments stand out like a sore thumb.

typical douchebag sore loser comment by saying the winning side are idiots :


I voted to keep the HST but there's no reason to accuse the other side to be uneducated; morons; idiots that's not only ignorant but a reflection of yourself

[tiger_handheld]

Originally Posted by Gridlock

18 months??? They'll skip the handouts they were using to buy votes, and ride it out to use the full extra amount that the HST brought in to pay it off.

Time for another recall campaign...I want that thing gone Dec.31.

I'm getting a lot of neg. vibes here regarding the education level of people that voted yes.

I voted yes.

I am educated. I understand the benefits of the HST. I voted yes because it didn't work for me. I decided not to think about the province, and the poor and everyone else out there that I'm sure I was supposed to think about.

I voted for me, and for my clients.

Reason 1:

I own a small business. I'm a contractor. I primarily renovate rental apartments these days.

I saw the huge jump in the tax amount on my invoices. As my clients are the primary users of what I do, they cannot write off the HST, even though they are a business, as there is no HST on rent.

Their income on a property is based on market conditions in the neighborhood at the initial setting of the rent, and then regulated by the province until they decide to move.

So, in short, its just a big increase in the expense of renovating and building improvements.

Even if I took every penny of PST savings that I obtain by being able to claim it under HST and handed it over on the bill, its still more expensive.

And I've said this many times in this thread...I look at sub-total and my clients look at total.

Reason 2:

The business benefits claims that would result in lower prices are hard to imagine.

In order for it to work, you would have to have multiple steps in the production chain, all canadian sources and all operating in an HST environment.

Then that cascade passing of taxes to the final consumer would result in a pool of savings that could be used to lower prices while maintaining profit.

Reason 3:

I'm not going to lie...it was a little about retribution for its introduction.

They hoped they could weather the storm. Turns out, they couldn't.

I have been a liberal supporter since 2000ish in this province(the election that brought campbell to power) and for more years on the east coast.

I still support the liberals over the NDP. Way more. I hate the NDP.

But, I can't support bad politics.

His people came to him and said the deficit is going to be far larger than originally planned. Campbell came to power by slamming the NDP's spending.

So, he didn't do what was right for the province. He took the federal money to close the hole and try to look clean.

They tried to sell it as being good for the province.

Reason 4:

Clark is even worse.

She tried to buy votes. She was prepared to hand out checks to certain groups(families and elderly) to transfer wealth.

And I hated it. I hated the idea of checks going out to groups of people. I pay in HST-I collect HST-I fill out HST paperwork.

Where's my cut?

I liked the idea of cutting the HST to 10%. I think it should have been introduced at 10%. I think they should have just said, vote no, and HST goes to 10% the next fucking day.

But they signed a paper that the HST % couldn't be changed for a certain time. I'm sorry, the Canadian gov't is now dictating what happens provincially? And you people signed it?

10% is fantastic....prepared food is a little more, cars and tv's are a little less.

Your poor? Cool. Eat at home, and you'll never notice. You're rich? Awesome. Buy that hot Mercedes...you'll love it. It's cheaper.

Reason 5-The random reasons

The liberals spent millions on their campaign. Millions of our dollars ps. Then their business friends spent even more.

Those stick men commercials drove me nuts.

I don't like Christy Clark's voice

Kevin Falcon is a putz.

They intentionally tried to make the question confusing to get some dumb people to vote the wrong way.

Conclusion:

I looked at the ballot, and thought about it.

In the end, I said fuck it. The mistake was already made. Time to cut and run.

And I voted to scrap the HST.

And next election, I'll vote to scrap Clark as well. That leaves me voting for the conservative party, so apparently I'm for that ultra right wing blow hard as oppsed to the wealth transferring liberals and NDP.

+1 for majority of reasons.

[UFO]

Originally Posted by twitchyzero

when will we find out if the PST exemptions will be back?
TaxTips.ca - BC PST Exemptions

Since nothing was promised during campaigning of what would happen if HST was voted out, voters SHOULD have voted based on worse case scenario--that previous PST exemptions will not carry over to the current PST.

If voters choosing YES were assuming that everything return to the same as the good ol' days, that is simply foolish. That ANY of the PST exemptions are coming back is a surprise to me. If it was up to me I would have just said FU and kept exemptions the same as HST and blame that on Zalm and the Yes crowd for not telling voters what would happen if HST was gone.

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by StylinRed

typical douchebag sore loser comment by saying the winning side are idiots :

I voted to keep the HST but there's no reason to accuse the other side to be uneducated; morons; idiots that's not only ignorant but a reflection of yourself

You're a tard and gladly not a reflection of myself as I am awesome.

This is a typical comment by a YES voter, and you're welcome to read this thread for more of them as there are LOTS of douchebags whining about paying more for eating out, a luxury that should be taxed. I'm willing to bet it'd be the #1 complaint about the HST if a poll was taken.

[Iceman_2K]

Thanks to BC Voters for a 3 billion dollar bill...

[Phil@rise]

Gridlock hit the nail on the head!

[Ronin]

Originally Posted by MajinHurricane

also lol at idiots claiming at "education levels" of the citizens.

Why? I'm almost sure the majority of the people that voted were only thinking "WWHWHHAAAATT? 12% TAX ON MY BIG MAC!? FUCK YOU HST!". I'd bet money that quite a few people voted against it simply because they thought they were voting against higher taxes or because they could no longer buy adult size clothing and not pay PST by saying it's for their younger brother.

I guarantee you a lot of Richmond voted that way because of that second one.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Originally Posted by Ronin

Why? I'm almost sure the majority of the people that voted were only thinking "WWHWHHAAAATT? 12% TAX ON MY BIG MAC!? FUCK YOU HST!". I'd bet money that quite a few people voted against it simply because they thought they were voting against higher taxes or because they could no longer buy adult size clothing and not pay PST by saying it's for their younger brother.

I guarantee you a lot of Richmond voted that way because of that second one.

Or Fat C-lais buying a size 0 TNA pants and claiming is for her daughter

[Ronin]

Actually, I take that back. Education has nothing to do with it.

Up top you'll see that 57% of REVscene voted to keep the HST and a lot of you are flat out fucking idiots.

[trig]

Originally Posted by Gridlock

18 months??? They'll skip the handouts they were using to buy votes, and ride it out to use the full extra amount that the HST brought in to pay it off.

Time for another recall campaign...I want that thing gone Dec.31.

I'm getting a lot of neg. vibes here regarding the education level of people that voted yes.

I voted yes.

I am educated. I understand the benefits of the HST. I voted yes because it didn't work for me. I decided not to think about the province, and the poor and everyone else out there that I'm sure I was supposed to think about.

I voted for me, and for my clients.

Reason 1:

I own a small business. I'm a contractor. I primarily renovate rental apartments these days.

I saw the huge jump in the tax amount on my invoices. As my clients are the primary users of what I do, they cannot write off the HST, even though they are a business, as there is no HST on rent.

Their income on a property is based on market conditions in the neighborhood at the initial setting of the rent, and then regulated by the province until they decide to move.

So, in short, its just a big increase in the expense of renovating and building improvements.

Even if I took every penny of PST savings that I obtain by being able to claim it under HST and handed it over on the bill, its still more expensive.

And I've said this many times in this thread...I look at sub-total and my clients look at total.

Reason 2:

The business benefits claims that would result in lower prices are hard to imagine.

In order for it to work, you would have to have multiple steps in the production chain, all canadian sources and all operating in an HST environment.

Then that cascade passing of taxes to the final consumer would result in a pool of savings that could be used to lower prices while maintaining profit.

Your reasons 1 and 2 are flawed. Since the HST has started all raw materials have sky rocketed, your costs have gone up not due to HST; but due to the cost of raw materials. You're bills from your suppliers now include HST, which you should not be passing on to your customer. That HST is given back to you as a credit when you file your business taxes.

You don't need multiple steps in a production chain, you just need multiple times the product has been flipped. Any of the products you purchase and put into a home are bought and sold in Canada multiple times. Taking out a compounding PST should in effect lower your costs.

[MG1]

History was made today.

The first time in Canadian history a tax has been voted down by the people.

I personally don't give a damn which way it went. One way or another, governments get their money. One group benefits, while another loses. I just don't like the way the HST was introduced.

Like Gridlock stated, if it were 10% HST and it started ASAP, it might have been OK.

Anyway, discussing it on RS is not going to change anything. Calling others uneducated for voting yes, is pretty dumb, too.

And, Culverin, I cannot complain - I didn't vote.

[TOS'd]

Originally Posted by taylor192

You're a tard and gladly not a reflection of myself as I am awesome.

This is a typical comment by a YES voter, and you're welcome to read this thread for more of them as there are LOTS of douchebags whining about paying more for eating out, a luxury that should be taxed. I'm willing to bet it'd be the #1 complaint about the HST if a poll was taken.

^ The owner of that comment drives a baby blue s2k........

[Ronin]

Originally Posted by Gridlock

I am educated. I understand the benefits of the HST. I voted yes because it didn't work for me. I decided not to think about the province, and the poor and everyone else out there that I'm sure I was supposed to think about.

Wouldn't a split GST/PST benefit the poor more than a 10% GST?

I don't quite agree with your reasoning but I do like the way you think. I'm also very ME FIRST when it comes to my vote.

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by taylor192

Not so fast, no-one has announced what will happen now. We might not get the exemptions back.

Used cars were GST exempt, so the PST was raised from 7% to 12% to become the HST. Now that we're back to PST, the PST has to be lowered to 7%, and there's no indication yet that will happen.

Clark has said we WILL get the exemptions back.

So now the question is, how will a $3B budget hole get filled? Income tax? corporate tax? raise the PST? cuts? ...???

[UFO]

I'm ME FIRST too. I would rather pay lower income tax, and not have millions let alone billions wasted and have zero to show for it. Like MG1 I agree if the gov wants your money they will find a way to get it. I'd just rather to have something show for my $ at the end of the day.

Looking at this referendum from a political POV, because the Liberals/Clark didn't have to hold one to have HST stick around, does it change your views about the Liberals? Clark was in a tough spot having to clean up Gordo's mess with HST implementation and all of BC hating them for that. Clark wanted to play nice woman and give BC a choice. As I recall, Zalm was having difficulty with his recall campaign anyways, so the way I see it this referendum was really just an attempt for the Liberals to win back some public support. Sure is a hell of an expensive way to do it...

[wstce92]

Originally Posted by trig

Your reasons 1 and 2 are flawed. Since the HST has started all raw materials have sky rocketed, your costs have gone up not due to HST; but due to the cost of raw materials. You're bills from your suppliers now include HST, which you should not be passing on to your customer. That HST is given back to you as a credit when you file your business taxes.

You don't need multiple steps in a production chain, you just need multiple times the product has been flipped. Any of the products you purchase and put into a home are bought and sold in Canada multiple times. Taking out a compounding PST should in effect lower your costs.

+1
reading reasons 1 and 2

[skyxx]

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