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View Poll Results: Are you in favour of extinguishing the HST in BC?
Yes: Bring Back GST + PST @ 12% 186 42.18%
No: HST to decrease to 10% over 3 years (10% in 2014) 255 57.82%
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Old 07-21-2011, 03:15 PM   #126
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oops i've been putting this off until now..if I drop it off in the mail box I guess it probaby won't reach their office in time (or as long as it's post dated by tomorrow it's fine?)....too lazy to drive to a service centre.
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Old 07-21-2011, 03:46 PM   #127
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was gonna drop mine in the mail tommorow as well

VOTE YES AND GET RID OF IT!


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Does it takes 50% of the eligible voters voting Yes to revert it back? If so I can't see it happeneing, no way no how. People are to content, I think they'd be lucky to get just over 50% of the eligible voters filling out the paperwork and mailing it in period let alone voting all the sameway.

If it doesn't work this way then that might change something.
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imo voting either option sucks. people still end up paying more tax compared to pre hst.
Yeah, but here's the difference between a VAT (value-added tax like this) vs. something like an income tax: with a VAT, YOU CAN CONTROL HOW MUCH TAX YOU PAY BY ADJUSTING YOUR SPENDING. Buy more generic products, or just buy less overall... you pay less tax.

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if hst stays, well obviously big businesses benefit.
This kind of statement is so stupid and shortsighted. It's used all the time by people opposed to all sorts of government policies, as if "anything that's good for big business is inherently bad for individuals"... well guess what, big business employs a LOT of individuals, and if they do well financially, it allows them to expand and hire more individuals. Many big businesses also have profit-sharing programs, so if they do well, their employees benefit.

And for as much as this mantra has been trotted out for the HST debate, realize that the HST also benefits a LOT of SMALL businesses too. I work for a small company - two principals, two employees (me and another guy), and a half-dozen or so subcontractors around BC and Alberta. Our boss LOVES the HST for the way it saves him money through the supply chain. His wife, who does the books, also loves it because it simplifies her job substantially.

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poor people pay more tax. no more exemptions. trickle down effect is a troll concept. the reduction to 10% is a few years away and there are no guarantees how long it will remain at 10%.
The alternative is a combination of two taxes that WILL remain at 12% for that whole period... so which is better, three years of two taxes at 12%, or one year of another single tax at 12%, another couple years at 11%, and then an undetermined amount of time at 10%?

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either way, the average citizen still loses because tax payer are going to get the bill for the goverment to do studies and research, implement the hst, the cost of making this referendum happen, all the logistics, manpower, and all other associated costs.
You know who you have to thank for that, right? Bill vander Zalm. Chris Delaney. Bill Tielman. All those wonderful people who've been beating the anti-HST drum in pursuit of their own political dreams and agendas. The people who blame the Libs for the "uncertainty" in the business sector over whether or not the HST would stick around... are the same ones who created the uncertainty in the first place.

I'll make a prediction right now: the "Fight HST" people *will not* go away, should the referendum come in in favor of keeping the HST. Zalm has been claiming to "speak for the people of BC" from the start - they don't give a fuck what "the people" want, they just want to keep themselves in the news. His petitions failed miserably. His recall campaign bombed in a huge way. Yet he still claims that he know what "the People" want. People are being led and used by this group and they're just eating it up.
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I've never been really poor, but I don't understand how people who supposedly advocate on behalf of the poor actually think they suffer more when a consumption tax goes up.

If you were truly poor, you wouldn't be buying much in the way of consumables. Most of your money would go towards food and shelter. Unprepared food (i.e. groceries) is exempt from taxes and so is rent. Moreover, you pay less in income taxes and you likely qualify for HST rebates.

The people that pay the most in taxes relative to their incomes is the middle class. They most often have families and they spend most of their disposable income on things that are taxable like meals, clothes, electronics, vacations, services, etc. Most people in the middle class also don't have the wherewithal to creatively invest their money to avoid taxes because they're too pinched trying to make ends meet and/or keeping up with the Joneses. (I state this as someone comfortably in the middle class.)
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HST Referendum 2011 | Elections BC

It was pushed to a later date because of the postal strike.

It needs to be received by Aug 5th.
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Just saw this status post on FB: "Once again in 2011 I'm denied my voting franchise! Elections BC re-sent my apparently lost referendum package, saying explicitely that I'll have plenty of time since it's not due until sometime in August! Now I see that the deadline is tomorrow & I still don't have it! Dead people & people long moved to Ontario get one, but not me! :P What? I've been published too many times in the papers?"

Seriously... people like this don't deserve the "right" to vote. Dollars to donuts he's voting YES, too.
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Just saw this status post on FB: "Once again in 2011 I'm denied my voting franchise! Elections BC re-sent my apparently lost referendum package, saying explicitely that I'll have plenty of time since it's not due until sometime in August! Now I see that the deadline is tomorrow & I still don't have it! Dead people & people long moved to Ontario get one, but not me! :P What? I've been published too many times in the papers?"

Seriously... people like this don't deserve the "right" to vote. Dollars to donuts he's voting YES, too.
I would de-friend them on the spot.
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I would de-friend them on the spot.
Interesting... it seems that after my pointing out to him for the THIRD TIME that the Elections BC guy WASN'T lying to him, as well as pasting the exact quote from their website that says the deadline is still Aug.5 and suggesting he take some personal responsibility for finding these things out himself, he has now blocked me.

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I suppose I'm just another cog in the conspiracy to deny him his rights... apparently he didn't like my pointing out that the referendum packages were printed and mailed BEFORE the date was changed.
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60/40 - split for "No" -- with 2 weeks to go..... Interested to see what the actual results vs RS results are..
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Deadline is coming up! I was at the mall today, and dropped off our ballots. Gotta love the convenience. .
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And nobody has any idea which way it'll go. I really hope the HST sticks around. Even bigger deficits if it doesn't.
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anyone know what time results will be out?
hopefully you guys can see the RS poll results , in case you cant.

Yes: Bring Back GST + PST @ 12% 186 42.18% No: HST to decrease to 10% over 3 years (10% in 2014) 255 57.82%
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LOL if HST gets voted out we have to pay the 15M we own to the federal gov and guess how the gov will get that money........ MORE TAX!!!!!
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Wasn't it 1.6 billion they gave us as an "incentive"?
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Results should be out this morning. I think I saw 11am mentioned on an article.
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god if we go back to GST+PST it will be the biggest fucking waste of money.

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Actually, you can blame this one on the public should it revert.
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hopefully you guys can see the RS poll results , in case you cant.

Yes: Bring Back GST + PST @ 12% 186 42.18% No: HST to decrease to 10% over 3 years (10% in 2014) 255 57.82%
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B.C. awaits results of HST referendum - British Columbia - CBC News

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The results of the HST referendum are expected to be released around 11 a.m. PT Friday morning — an event that could reshape the province's sales tax system and possibly trigger a provincial election.


Officials with Elections BC spent Thursday holed up in their Victoria headquarters, planning the announcement of the outcome from the 1.6 million mailed-in ballots submitted over the past two months.


About 52 per cent of the electorate took part in the binding referendum.
No matter which way British Columbians voted, Premier Christy Clark has a monumental political sales job ahead of her, say political experts.
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I doubt there will be enough votes to revert back to GST/PST. If there is then the government is definitely tolling us.
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