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View Poll Results: Are you in favour of extinguishing the HST in BC?
Yes: Bring Back GST + PST @ 12% 186 42.18%
No: HST to decrease to 10% over 3 years (10% in 2014) 255 57.82%
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Old 07-12-2011, 07:17 PM   #101
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I think a lot of people are in the same boat as you, but nobody has come out to say that the PST exemptions will be reinstated if GST/PST comes back. SO assuming that the exemptions will not come back, you are still paying 12% tax on everything you buy instead of 10% with HST (if it stays at 10%). If the previous PST exemptions are not promised, there is no benefit whatsoever in getting rid of the HST, NONE.

If we go back to GST/HST, we have to give back the $1.6B the feds gave BC for switching to HST and that will be raised through increased income taxes. It has already been stated and nobody will dispute that HST streamlines processing both for the government and for business operators, and is a draw for business and can help the economy grow.

Like others have expressed, I initially hated HST more because of how it was forced down our throats and the loss of previously PST exempt items. I have come around to realize the benefits it can provide, but understand at the end of the day that HST will not be saving me any money even if it stays at 10%. My fear is that the benefits of HST to the economy will be lost on those who have not done their own research but are still harbouring ill thoughts on how HST was rolled out and are going to vote to get rid of HST just because it is HST (ie. not using their own logic) to make a point to the Liberals, nobody wins with this scenario.

Let's face the facts, the gov. will get their money one way or another. The only thing you can do about that is to vote for the gov. you like. I do not like the Liberals, but the NDP?? uhm, yeah, no thanks been there done that. So at the end of the day, what choice do we really have. If the previous PST exemptions are not promised, there is no benefit whatsoever in getting rid of the HST.
That's exactly what one of my co-worker keep saying. He kept saying about it's a matter of principle so he'll vote yes to get rid of HST.
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Because of the following:

A brief history of the HST.

The north American ecomony goes to crap. I forget names here, but someone sits Campbell down after the election, and says the deficit is going to be way worse than we previously thought.

Campbell, a person who pounded the NDP on their spending, and bookkeeping can't come out and say, oops, we goofed. Then thinks back to the offer made to Ontario for their HST-a billion+ dollars as a reward.

Now, question one: Why would the federal gov't, running in their own deficit offer provinces a billion+ dollars to merge taxes? Shutting down the PST isn't going to cost anywhere near that amount.

So, the HST comes flying in. On top of that billion dollars, there is also the opportunity to slam tax on many things previously exempt. Even more money.

So, the whole thing comes down to politics. Campbell was trying to save his ass. End on a high note. The whole HST thing dies down, he spends a year dealing with that, then 2 fucking around, and retires. The new guy has a year in the chair to make a name for him/herself. By that time, we've been paying out the pooter for 4 years.

So...here is where they can stick the HST...straight up Campbell's ass. That man did wonderful things for this province for 8 years, and after that election, started screwing the pooch.

Whenever I hear HST, I think lies, and I think bullshit. It's straight up politics. And queen Clark and her families first shit can line up next.. I can't stand the woman. And I certainly don't need her trying to buy votes with the money that I've paid in on a tax that no one supported.

Why did no one support it? Because it was all so Campbell didn't have to tell the NDP that he was just as fucking stupid as they were.
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Voting No, Keep the HST.

I have my reasons, but it is interesting reading other members reasons.
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That's exactly what one of my co-worker keep saying. He kept saying about it's a matter of principle so he'll vote yes to get rid of HST.
My coworkers said the same yesterday at lunch, they just want to punish the Liberals for how they brought in the HST. Then I explained that we're upper middle class incomes (software developers) and if the HST does leave a hole in the budget (which no-one can confirm, yet everyone can agree there will probably be a huge hole) it will likely be filled with higher income taxes (which again, no-one can confirm, yet everyone agrees that a return of the PST/GST hurts business so corporate taxes will not be raised, thus income taxes are the next best bet).

After that explanation you could almost cut the tension in the room with a knife. Those who voted yes were rethinking it, cause at our salary levels if they do punish income tax, we're going to feel it much worse than HST.
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Is voting no to the HST really going to punish the Liberals though?

Gordan Campbell is gone and now has a plum government job as Canada's high commissioner to Britain which is one of Canada's highest diplomatic posts.

I wonder how reflective the RS poll is relative to the BC population.
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Is voting no to the HST really going to punish the Liberals though?
Exactly. There are many people in the population who are too ignorant to do their own research, and will vote yes just to stick it back to the Liberals for imposing the HST. The only people they will be punishing is themselves, and the province of BC.

At first I though Bill Vanderzalm was the man, sticking up for the people against HST with nothing to gain himself. Now that I understand the situation more, I really don't know what he is fighting for. We are paying more due to HST only because of the lost PST exemptions. But if GST/PST comes back and the exemptions are not, we end up paying the same or more as HST anyways.
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voted yes...

i have a feeling with HST going down...they'll try to recuperate the money somehow...so something is bound to go up...promise you it won't be services going up...
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Voted no and that's thinking they won't reduce the HST.
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I voted no as well

Voting yes doesn't punish the liberals, only voting them out of office will.
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Poll has been up for a week now and the "No" side has held the lead the entire time.

Yet, the "Yes" side seems to be the most vocal. :IDL :noob:

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I voted no, for a lot of the same reasons that were described on this page, so I won't go through it all again.
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Why can't they give us 12% HST , and have the previous PST exempt items, HST exempt?

What are the downsides of that?
Because the whole 'savings for business' is a front to introduced the new tax exemption laws. It's a attempt to distract you from the fact that they are increasing taxes on things that were exempt before. It's essentially a cash grab.
I agree with saving money with HST, but sneaking in a new tax exemptions rule with it is just dirty.

If I could make a ballot, I'd make it:

Keep HST, but revert any tax exemption changes back to it's original state.

But thats not gonna in this cash grabbing govt.
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Because the whole 'savings for business' is a front to introduced the new tax exemption laws. It's a attempt to distract you from the fact that they are increasing taxes on things that were exempt before. It's essentially a cash grab.
I agree with saving money with HST, but sneaking in a new tax exemptions rule with it is just dirty.

If I could make a ballot, I'd make it:

Keep HST, but revert any tax exemption changes back to it's original state.

But thats not gonna in this cash grabbing govt.
but with HST - any items that were previously PST exempt but were charged GST, will get charged the full amount of HST. There isn't any way around it. That's how HST works.

People also forget there are things - like liquor which actually has a decreased tax rate with HST.
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but with HST - any items that were previously PST exempt but were charged GST, will get charged the full amount of HST. There isn't any way around it. That's how HST works.
Clearly there is a way around it, like the items below, it's just a matter of whether they want to provide a way for the exemptions to exist with HST (read, no cash grab). These were all PST exempt but charged GST before:

The following are exempt from the B.C. provincial portion of sales tax.

Books
Children’s-sized clothing and footwear (if your kid is big and needs adult size clothing, too bad for you now)
Children’s car seats and car booster seats
Diapers
Feminine hygiene products

More in depth: HST Exemptions and HST Rebates in BC | HST in Canada
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but with HST - any items that were previously PST exempt but were charged GST, will get charged the full amount of HST. There isn't any way around it. That's how HST works.

People also forget there are things - like liquor which actually has a decreased tax rate with HST.
"The BC Liquor Distribution Branch has announced today that the "liquor board markup" on all products will be increased as of July 1, 2010 as part of the implementation of the HST. The introduction of the HST means that the provincial sales tax on alcohol will actually go down from its current 10% to the 7% provincial component of the HST (the 12% HST is made up of 7% provincial sales tax + 5% federal sales tax). In order to prevent consumers from actually receiving a break on the introduction of the HST (maybe that would have been a good idea?) ... the government had previously announced that they would increase liquor board markups to compensate. "

source: BC Increases Wine Markup From 117% to 123% - Wine Law in Canada and BC



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it quacks like a duck
it looks like a duck
then it must be a duck!

Lets cut the bullshit and call the hst what it really is - a cash grab from the bc gov't to help fill a deficit.
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The president of my company just sent another company wide email urging all the employees to vote no. Jeez.
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Lets cut the bullshit and call the hst what it really is - a cash grab from the bc gov't to help fill a deficit.
Since you put it that way, I'm all for filling a deficit! Keep the HST
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I work in the film industry, and HST means more shows and movies coming here. I want it to stay.
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Voting no. Other than some of must use items (food, cable, internet, gas.....) if I don't spend I don't have to pay HST.

However, if HST is gone and we go back to GST/PST. I am pretty sure the gov will raise other tax (gas taxe, income tax....) to make back the millions we loan from the federal gov and THOSE TAXES I HAVE TO PAY NO MATTER WHAT.
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