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Old 03-19-2014, 11:43 AM   #676
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around 4 days ago i was reading some australian news articles stating its believed the plane is several hundred km's off the coast of Perth

all the while cnn et al were speaking about flying into kyrgyzstan/pakistan/ shadowing flights etc etc finally today cnn is running with the Perth story and stating that its the most reasonable -_-
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There isn't any new news atm. I pretty much stop reading about it now.
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They could if the climb to thin air extinguished it.
A bit of an odd reason to push the plane above where you're supposed to fly it, and there's speculation that it's unlikely it could've pushed that high due to fuel load. Either way, even if the data isn't terribly accurate it seems pretty concrete that the plane went up.

And there's supposed to be fire suppression systems anyways. Unless the fire suppression system caught on fire, but what are the odds of that?
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Well they really need to pinpoint the exact area where they think the plane might have went down. Until than it's like trying to find a needle in a haystack. Sad part is if MH paid something like $10/month they would have precious data to work on. Really makes you scratch your head, you buy a multimillion dollar plane but cheap out on a service that cost $10?
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Well they really need to pinpoint the exact area where they think the plane might have went down. Until than it's like trying to find a needle in a haystack. Sad part is if MH paid something like $10/month they would have precious data to work on. Really makes you scratch your head, you buy a multimillion dollar plane but cheap out on a service that cost $10?
Could of been a money saving initiative. Maybe not enough funds? They also probably believed they had enough tracking services on their planes and that chances of this thing happening is slim, but obviously not.
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Well they really need to pinpoint the exact area where they think the plane might have went down. Until than it's like trying to find a needle in a haystack. Sad part is if MH paid something like $10/month they would have precious data to work on. Really makes you scratch your head, you buy a multimillion dollar plane but cheap out on a service that cost $10?
Can you link a source where it mention the actual cost of the data service?
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Breaking news: Australia has spotted 3 pieces of debris.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26659951
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BREAKING NEWS: Australia satellite imagery spots objects that look like aircraft parts. 4 aircrafts and Navy ships en route to check it out.

First aircraft due to arrive in the area now, 3 more en route


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A bit of an odd reason to push the plane above where you're supposed to fly it, and there's speculation that it's unlikely it could've pushed that high due to fuel load. Either way, even if the data isn't terribly accurate it seems pretty concrete that the plane went up.

And there's supposed to be fire suppression systems anyways. Unless the fire suppression system caught on fire, but what are the odds of that?
Did you not actually read that article? Exactly this has been done before.
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Debris reported at 24 meters..that's pretty big.
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Well they really need to pinpoint the exact area where they think the plane might have went down. Until than it's like trying to find a needle in a haystack. Sad part is if MH paid something like $10/month they would have precious data to work on. Really makes you scratch your head, you buy a multimillion dollar plane but cheap out on a service that cost $10?
It costs a hell of a lot more than $10/month, one report had it at $2600/flight.
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Did you not actually read that article? Exactly this has been done before.
Exactly that? Did you read the same article as me? If they were trying to put out a fire they wouldn't climb or go into a dive, they'd use the onboard fire suppression systems. How the hell is a dive supposed to put out an internal fire? And the two other flights he mentions didn't fly for another 7.5 hours.
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And as far a the Aussie debris goes, until they actually take a picture of something confirming MH370 I'll toss it in the pile with the other nonsense findings we've had for the past week (oil slicks, debris, intact planes, flaming planes...)
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It costs a hell of a lot more than $10/month, one report had it at $2600/flight.
Missing Malaysia Airlines plane lacked $US10 upgrade that could have provided crucial satellite data for search

Underscore you sure get really defensive and act like a bitch. You're far from a expert and people are just posting what they read on the internet so relax so calm your nerves.
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Perspective on how remote the possible crash site is:
Keeping in mind, if that is debris from the plane, it's been floating now for a week and a half, pushed by both ocean currents and winds - it could be dozens of miles from where the crash actually happened.
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If this is plane debris, it would not be unreasonable to assume the black box could be located more easily (looking in right area/use faint tracking signal)
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These images are from 4 days ago. The debris could be anywhere by now.
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Shouldn't they account for currents/wind?

They still haven't seen it yet.
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Any updates from the Aussies? They should have gotten to the debris by now.

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Underscore you sure get really defensive and act like a bitch. You're far from a expert and people are just posting what they read on the internet so relax so calm your nerves.
You should've posted that link before, sorry I was thinking of the RR engine info system which is supposed to be expensive to run.

Where does it say that they can get streaming data for $10 a month with Swift though? It says it starts at $10/flight, and it says it can stream data and be upgraded to a full package, but it doesn't say anything about streaming all the info for $10/flight. I find it hard to believe that they could build an independent system (since they said it's separate from what ACARS uses) that streams all the info for only $10/flight, I'm guessing that's what the basic info downloaded after landing via USB would cost. The article is trying to make the airline seem like cheapasses but they don't tell you what it would really cost them to run this.

Regardless, you can't really blame them for not having the system, I mean before MH370 what were the odds of a plane going missing, let alone one that was supposed to fly mostly over land?

edit: also lol at failing me for being realistic about debris being found in a sea full of floating junk.
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Shouldn't they account for currents/wind?

They still haven't seen it yet.
They said they sent planes but visibility was poor due to weather... it's night there now (just coming up on 3AM, I believe) and they're expecting to resume the search in their morning.
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