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Old 03-13-2014, 09:24 AM   #426
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It's amazing how this story is unfolding. The bottom line fact that "planes just don't disappear is just mind-bottling".

And I quoted that picture because, just for a short second, I was thinking "man, that Asian achieved a high-top fade..."
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many pilots, no matter commercial, military or recreational do what they do because they love all that is aviation. I don't see how having a flight sim setup at home is indicative of anything other than the fact that the person is an aviation nut. Hell I have one at home.

to add to the pictures... here's one a bit more local that I found on Facebook



Let's just hope the EUS at UBC has a bit of heart in their drunken minds to let this sit for a while
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So if the engines are sending back data ever 30 minutes why can't they also send GPS coordinates well.
Because the engines don't have GPS receivers?
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jesus christ! with all this what seems to be legit news and then denial, we almost need a list of what is 'officially confirmed' and what is just rubbish.
I think the only thing that's "officially confirmed" so far is that the plane is missing and nobody has the first fucking clue what happened to it.

The problem with issuing any sort of "official statement" is that the media (including social) will jump all over it and extrapolate all sorts of stories based on things they know nothing about, then when something changes that contradicts anything people think they already "know", it's played out as officials either being incompetent, or covering something up.

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now there's talk about those chinese images from yesterday being nothing... the word that sums up this whole situation is definitely 'unprecedented' - but i would also like to say, i think someone somewhere is fucking up big time, either something related to the plane or with the search effort - it just seems so poorly organized. well, given it's unprecedented, i'll allow some leeway, but still, how have we not found the craft yet?
Consider their position: they're dealing with something that's never happened before in exactly this way - in decades of commercial air travel, millions if not billions of flights, and thousands of crashes, never has a plain simply disappeared without a trace this way.

But instead of letting experts and authorities just sit back and try to figure it all out, they have to fend off media, armchair (or office chair) quarterbacks, looky-loos of all sorts... and then they have to address all manner of speculation and rumours constantly being circulated as fact. Someone overhears something, tells his buddy, who tells his buddy who's a reporter, and next thing you know, something completely imagined is being splashed across the headlines.

The main ones fucking up, frankly, are the rubberneckers who keep confusing things with sketchy information.
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Because the engines don't have GPS receivers?
Well they do have equipment to measue altatude speed engine RPM and other things. One of the reasons they claim the plane does not sent GPS info via satilite is the cost. But if they are already sending out engine info why can't they sent out 12 numbers along with it.
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Well they do have equipment to measue altatude speed engine RPM and other things. One of the reasons they claim the plane does not sent GPS info via satilite is the cost. But if they are already sending out engine info why can't they sent out 12 numbers along with it.
I would expect it is not about the cost of the data, but rather the cost of implementing the GPS device. Keep in mind that development costs for aviation are HUNDREDS of times what it would normally cost due to the incredible testing and approval process required for FAA certification. You already have a device and a backup that transmits GPS data from the plane, there is no reason to duplicate this in the engine. The engine transmits information that isn't duplicated elsewhere - operating information - for the purposes of optimizing operations.

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I would expect it is not about the cost of the data, but rather the cost of implementing the GPS device. Keep in mind that development costs for aviation are HUNDREDS of times what it would normally cost due to the incredible testing and approval process required for FAA certification. You already have a device and a backup that transmits GPS data from the plane, there is no reason to duplicate this in the engine. The engine transmits information that isn't duplicated elsewhere - operating information - for the purposes of optimizing operations.

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But nothing was transmitting GPS data from the plane. It somthing was we would know where the plane is. According to someone on CNN it would cost $2800 per flight to have real time data from the plane via satalite. I still have know idea why a piliot is able to turn off the transponder.
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But nothing was transmitting GPS data from the plane. It somthing was we would know where the plane is. I still have know idea why a piliot is able to turn off the transponder.
I realize this, but the plane is not designed to ever have that transmitter turned off. If that is not supposed to be able to be turned off, there is no reason to believe why the ones from the engine wouldn't also be able to be turned off.

It doesn't actually fix anything to just add more transmitters if they can be turned off, and if they are going to be added and not able to be turned off, why not skip adding them and just make the main transmitter unable to be disabled?

Either way it doesn't fix anything to simply add more transmitters...

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I realize this, but the plane is not designed to ever have that transmitter turned off. If that is not supposed to be able to be turned off, there is no reason to believe why the ones from the engine wouldn't also be able to be turned off.

It doesn't actually fix anything to just add more transmitters if they can be turned off, and if they are going to be added and not able to be turned off, why not skip adding them and just make the main transmitter unable to be disabled?

Either way it doesn't fix anything to simply add more transmitters...

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The transponders can be turned off by the piliot by hitting a switch on the cockpit. CNN just showed the switch. The system that sends engine data can't be turned off by the piliot.
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I would assume there are valid reasons why a pilot may need to turn off the transponder, otherwise they wouldn't go through the cost and effort to add that switch.

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I know several pilots of varying skill (1 airliner pilot, 1 military jet fighter, 3 small aircraft pilots) almost all of them have a simulator at home and all of them play with remote controlled planes/choppers
I think they're just passionate about flying is all and its seemingly a trait they all have

Good point, to the average media person (especially if they're looking to add drama) they're gonna call that an "elaborate" setup. They would likely say the same about anyone with a Logitech wheel setup for Gran Turismo. And when you think about it, I'm pretty sure most of you would prefer to be flown by a pilot who is very passionate about flying.
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The transponders can be turned off by the piliot by hitting a switch on the cockpit. CNN just showed the switch. The system that sends engine data can't be turned off by the piliot.
Okay. So my point is that GPS data is considered to be essential to the safety of operating the plane to the point of considering adding it to the engines without the ability to turn it off, then it makes much more sense to just remove the switch to turn the regular GPS off rather than add a secondary GPS transmitter.

Another way to think about it is if there is some legitimate benefit to being able to turn off the GPS - privacy, whatever, that's fine. However, it's totally useless to have one GPS that can be turned off if there is a secondary one in the engines that can't be turned off. Does that make sense?
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To get GPS data with the engine stats I think they would need to add a GPS system to the engines, since the engines and their system are built by RR and not Boeing. Even if they were able to do this, it wouldn't help in this case because from what I have read this airline is getting the bare minimum maintenance reporting (presumably as they are having financial issues, or perhaps they didn't see any added value) and it wouldn't have been sending any reports during flight.
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To get GPS data with the engine stats I think they would need to add a GPS system to the engines, since the engines and their system are built by RR and not Boeing. Even if they were able to do this, it wouldn't help in this case because from what I have read this airline is getting the bare minimum maintenance reporting (presumably as they are having financial issues, or perhaps they didn't see any added value) and it wouldn't have been sending any reports during flight.
The engines comunicate with the rest of the plane. How else do you think they get altatude and plane speed. Right now when a plane is over the ocean there is no way of tracking it. There should be.
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The engines comunicate with the rest of the plane. How else do you think they get altatude and plane speed. Right now when a plane is over the ocean there is no way of tracking it. There should be.
The engine has nothing to do with the plane measuring altitude or speed for the plane. And on the other hand, the plane does not pass this information to the engines either. The only information the engines transmit is basic operational information about whether they are running and some vital stats - nothing about the plane itself.

You are right that the engine does communicate with the plane, but it has nothing to do with altitude and speed.

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Why the shit can I go buy a SPOT global GPS satallite transmitter for under a couple hundred bucks, but putting a GPS system in a commercial airliner costing 300 milliion dollars, is not in the budget?
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Why the shit can I go buy a SPOT global GPS satallite transmitter for under a couple hundred bucks, but putting a GPS system in a commercial airliner costing 300 milliion dollars, is not in the budget?
Hire someone to maintain it
Hire someone to implement it
Hire someone to monitor it
Hire someone to plan it
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Hire someone to program it to work with the plan
Hire someone to teach others how to use it

I'm sure the equipment is cheap, but as you can see the process is not.
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according to cnn the us is saying the plane did fly for several hours and they're searching the indian ocean

differences between us/uk media

cnn is saying its certain the plane tunred back based on the radar blip even though the blip is not identified and the malaysian investigation is a clusterfuck

bbc is saying the radar blip doesn't identify the plane as MH370 but simply an unidentified object and no one really knows whats going on as this is unprecedented and malaysia cant be blamed really

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It almost sounds like they are all just using this as an excuse to mobilize and map in to the pan-pacific area
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I know several pilots of varying skill (1 airliner pilot, 1 military jet fighter, 3 small aircraft pilots) almost all of them have a simulator at home and all of them play with remote controlled planes/choppers
I think they're just passionate about flying is all and its seemingly a trait they all have
I assumed a full flown 777 setup. I said it myself, the comment was uncalled for. If he had a 777 sim, I still find it weird. If it was a different type of aircraft I could understand. That would make him "plane crazy" like I described. I still agree, uncalled for, especially if the guy isn't around anymore
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