you have to basically remove everything behind the seats trim wise if you want to preserve it, and I think you still have to cut the stock roll hoops to get it out? Or you can keep it in one piece if you take the whole entire rear trim out?

Anyways, it's a big step.

What I'm planning for is more of a future use case. I'm considering a way to get into PCA Club Racing, but their rules dictate you need an FIA-certified roll cage. A roll bar isn't allowed.

If it means ripping out my entire interior to install a welded roll cage, this in itself is a big deterrent. I'm reading the class rules, and it mandates all cars, regardless of the class you run in, require a roll cage. Ugh! :mad:

Time to trade for a Cayman

What would that achieve?

The easy route would be to simply buy someone's built Spec Cayman and call it a day. My poor broke dick problem is I don't have:

1. A trailer
2. Storage space for tailer and race car
3. A truck to haul the car

Life is difficult. Pout Pout Pout.

I realize I have misunderstood you. I thought you needed a cage because of the convertible, but no because you are going wheel to wheel racing, you need a cage for actual protection.

If your plan is to get into any sort of club racing, the truck + trailer + race car combo is pretty much a standard affair though.

The only way I know of that can circumvent this is to buy a seat from another racer / race team.

RIP to my racing dreams and being poor

you just take my HAKXED scooter to the track and drag a peg. show them whatsup.

As stated above - if you want an actual racecar you got to have the storage and hauling figured out first. It's why I don't see myself moving into W2W racing.

Actually, I forgot about another way -- gather a few dedicated friends and put a race team together yourself. When you pool your resources together, it is much easier to go further than an individual effort.

For the type of W2W racing that I have some superficial familiarity with -- sprint races and endurance racing -- the biggest hurdles are actually:

1) time committments
2) $$$

The time committment aspect is especially difficult bcos the races will generally take up the entire weekend, and the entire race season happens over 6 - 7 race weekends. With my kid and family responsibilities, I just can't make it happen -- at least not at this point in life. I know other (W2W) racers have managed to turn the race weekends into a family event sort of thing, so I tip my hat to them for making it happen.

If anyone is interested in an arrive-and-drive sort of arrangement, I can probably refer you to a few different teams / people to explore that option too.

I want to do Lemons racing but I need more seat time first I think.

I'd love to start in something like a Mazda Miata, Toyota Yaris, Mazda 2, Honda Fit, or ghetto ass R50 Mini (maybe not, because BMW $$$.)

roastpuff - my offer still stands on the S2K. :lol

My thought process was to enter the "F" class under PCA Club Racing, thinking I could enter as-is. But no. I'd need a full-blown roll cage, rip out the interior, harness, racing seats, fire suppression systems etc.

Seat time is exactly what Lemons is for!

My guess is -- Spec Miata and B-Spec races (Fit / Yaris / Mazda2 / Fiesta) make for good starter W2W racing. Costs are reasonable, and the competition is fierce.

But don't overlook the various endurance races too. Lemons would probably be more about seat time and having fun than serious hardcore racing. ChampCar has moved upmarket and isn't that cheap anymore. But these would be getting you the most bang for the racing buck.

I think the general consensus in most types of racing is you'll save a lot of time and money buying a log booked car someone else already built and got approved.

You can find some pretty compact trailers that are light, and if your race car is small and light as well you could tow it with a smaller SUV (at least in a flat area like Ontario). But you're still needing at least 2 good sized parking spaces for all that.

What engine size is the minimum requirement to tow something like a 987 Cayman on a compact trailer? Would a V6-based SUV work? (BTW, I'd rather take transit than ever own an SUV. I hate them so much.)

Thanks for that.

There's a race series here that used to be called Lucky Dog Racing but has not re-branded into Enduro Canada. I know a few of the Porsche club guys run in that series, but I haven't spoken to them about it.

My motivation is to try to stick with PCA Club Racing as they do offer an enduro but I'm more interested in the Sprint races. I'll need to figure out a plan on how to get into this with the local guys. For what it's worth, no Spec Boxster exists (officially) in Canada.

A good trailer is typically 1500lbs. Your prepped Cayman/Boxster is probably around 2500-3000lbs. Plus equipment and spares you'll probably add another 500-1000lbs. You'll want something that can do 6000lbs easy.

I'll take my X5 for example, it is rated for 7200lbs towing. It'll probably tow it no problem but it doesn't leave a lot of margin
The Tacoma is rated for 6500lbs, which while it's still within the rating, it won't be a pleasant experience.

Keep in mind also the tow vehicle's payload. It's not something that's regularly talked about, but the tongue weight goes on the tow vehicle as payload. You can very easily blow through the tow vehicle's payload rating if not careful, especially for something lighter duty like a X5 or Taco.

TL;DR - You want at least a 1/2 ton if you plan to tow a racecar regularly

It's not about engine size - it's about tow rating. You can tow with a 2.0L turbo suitably prepped (oil cooler, tranny cooler) but the rest of the chassis and brakes have to be able to handle the trailer.

Go figure out what your potential trailer would weigh with car, tools and junk on it, your other payload, and find something that fits in terms of tow rating and what you can live with.

6000-7000lbs sweet spot IMO depending on trailer and packing habits.

EDIT: You don't want a SUV? Get a Buick Roadmaster. Wagon based on GM truck chassis with LS V8 lol. 7000lbs tow rating.

Truck. SUV. Or any kind of monstrosity of the like. I'd rather take public transit. *barf*

Then no racecar for you lol

Or you can try and tow with a M550? It has a 2000kg capacity so you can potentially do it if you a frugal with weight and find one of those lightweight expensive aluminum trailers.

lowside67 - Please chime in!

Not legally rated to tow in NA - only in Europe.