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headhunt3r 12-02-2024 05:24 PM

His 12V died.

AstulzerRZD 12-02-2024 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by headhunt3r (Post 9156751)
His 12V died.

Everybody's PHEV/EV 12V be dying

Porsche and Tesla learned from mistakes and put in lithium batt.

Kia / Hyundai / Jeep / Toyota / Lexus / VW / GM / Volvo / Ford all cooked.

TypeRNammer 12-02-2024 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD (Post 9156720)
I think in Vancouver can get away with pre-conditioning without a plug at home (cuz it doesn't get too cold). Does Tesla let you do that? I know Ford does.

Van's shorter trips means less chance highway aero, snow resistance, and slower fast charging mess up your experience.

On my 2023 Model Y, you can heat up the batteries by turning on the climate control

Not sure on my 2019 Model 3

Traum 12-02-2024 09:58 PM

It's been way too long ago since I drove the 1G TSX, so I don't remember much about it other than that it was pretty smooth. But my old man has a 10th gen Civic with the pedestrian K20C2, and I really like the way his car drove. There is nothing fancy about any aspect of the car, but it has a very easy going and workhorse manners that makes it very pleasant to drive. It is a much bigger car that rides on Mac struts instead of wishbone suspension, but I suppose it still shares some of that old school Honda engineering genes with the 1G TSX.
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Originally Posted by supafamous (Post 9156746)
I love the K24A2 in the 1G TSX - for a commodity motor it was so smooth and easy going. There isn't a modern commodity 4 cylinder that's as nice to drive as that nearly 20 year old motor. All the comparable current 4 cylinders from Mazda, Toyota, Nissan etc are trashy compared to it. I never get bored of driving it (FIL has my TSX now) even when it tied to a 5 speed auto.

The K20C in my RDX is pretty meh - it doesn't help that they pipe in fake sounds that try to make it sound like a bigger engine but the fake sounds are just covering up how boring the engine is (relatively speaking).


EvoFire 12-03-2024 08:30 AM

I love the 1G TSX, but the fuel economy on it is terrible. A friend parked his 6sp at my house for bit after he bought a Miata and I had the keys to it. It still has that older Honda feel to it but a uprated cabin.

I remember lusting for one when they came out while I was still in highschool.

AstulzerRZD 12-03-2024 09:11 AM

idk if J and K series really get that good fuel economy

J30/35 got like 12-15 for me no matter what car, where/how I was driving it.
B58 in X5 and Pentastar in a Ram 1500 get about the same.
Toyota's whatever V6 is rougher but it gets like 10.

JCW Minis/Alfa Romeo V6/MB 6 cyl turbo/F series/V8s enough to go gas
but tbh otherwise I prefer electric

JDMDreams 12-03-2024 09:36 AM

When I had my auto k24 it wasn't bad, pretty good for a big car, around 10.5 to 11 l/100km depending on how much highway I drive. I think it got down to like 8l if it was all highway. 200 hp is pretty under powered these days with 2000+ cars and how big and heavy they are.

JDMDreams 12-03-2024 09:40 AM

I'm averaging 12.1l/100km on Toyota 3.5 V6 with awd

roastpuff 12-03-2024 09:42 AM

I averaged 8L/100km highway and 11-12L/100km city on my Accord with the J35 & VCM. It also had the 6 speed automatic so that probably helped a bit. I miss how smooth that engine was and how eagerly it revved for a commodity V6, as RZD puts it. Good noises too!

68style 12-03-2024 01:06 PM

Was browsing the Honda website and saw they have a Land Cruiser-esque looking Passport coming out next year... still going to be a V6.

I might check that out, looks cool and proven drivetrain.

https://www.honda.ca/en/future-vehicles/passport

EvoFire 12-03-2024 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 68style (Post 9156825)
Was browsing the Honda website and saw they have a Land Cruiser-esque looking Passport coming out next year... still going to be a V6.

I might check that out, looks cool and proven drivetrain.

https://www.honda.ca/en/future-vehicles/passport

If you don't need the Land Cruiser capabilities, then sure yeah. It's basically a shorter Pilot. TBH, most ppl don't need LC capabilities.

JDMDreams 12-03-2024 04:53 PM

Isn't it just like a Ridgeline

tegra7 12-03-2024 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TypeRNammer (Post 9156759)
On my 2023 Model Y, you can heat up the batteries by turning on the climate control

Not sure on my 2019 Model 3

Same with my 2021 Model 3 (with heat pump)
My level 2 charger keeps the battery topped up while preheating, doesn't drop a percent even below freezing temps.

asian_XL 12-03-2024 08:37 PM

My Model 3 Performance is averaging 200kwh/km, I just love flooring the car everywhere I go and charging is free for me.

My Alphard V6 is giving me 4-5km/L...that's a big headache here.

AstulzerRZD 12-03-2024 09:36 PM

Free charging where? Only one I really know is Kwantlen

We're getting similar in F150 Lightning without towing - 22kwh/100km

68style 12-03-2024 10:00 PM

He's in HK

Traum 12-03-2024 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD (Post 9156858)
Free charging where? Only one I really know is Kwantlen

We're getting similar in F150 Lightning without towing - 22kwh/100km

Do you use PlugShare? I'm pretty sure it has a filter that allows you to show only the free charging sites. But I'm also willing to bet that a lot of those free sites are either L1 or really slow L2 stations.

RabidRat 12-04-2024 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD (Post 9156794)
otherwise I prefer electric

I think this is a missed opportunity in marketing EVs.

Let's say you didn't care about economy and reliability. A huge benefit of EV motors is the refinement. Gets rid of all the thrashy noises. Instant, girthy torque, flat all the way up.

The only thing you're missing at that point is the engine note of performance motors that some customers deliberately want to hear, but that's a specific market segment. Wouldn't most car buyers - luxury included - just want a silent drivetrain if they could have it?

Does an MDX buyer really specifically seek to hear their J35? I would think only the Type-S buyer would rather hear it so badly that they'd desire to give up the electric refinement. But really how many Type-S are even selling?

bcrdukes 12-04-2024 07:22 AM

Interesting you mention that.

The other week, a friend of mine came over to visit in his Tesla and we went for a drive. He used self driving mode most of the time and at the end of the day, my conclusion was:

1. This is not a car for me (Telsa, or full electric.) I want to hear and feel the feedback of my vehicle, but this is from a car enthusiast perspective.

2. The overall experience was very dull. Boring ride and eerily quiet. Maybe because of its refinement. Of course, this is a very personal opinion.

3. I can see how an EV would be attractive to certain people. People like my siblings who don't care about about cars and treat them like appliances and don't even like driving. (We are mortal enemies from that perspective.)

SSM_DC5 12-04-2024 08:02 AM

^to simply put it they just don't care.

We enthusiast rag on cvt's and how they suck, but to your average buyer, it's all the same. Car gets them from A to B. Panel gaps in a tesla, who cares. What do they actually care about? Creature comforts, such as, heated seats, heated steering wheel, apple car play, android auto, BIG screen to see everything with, massage chairs.

underscore 12-04-2024 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by RabidRat (Post 9156864)
Wouldn't most car buyers - luxury included - just want a silent drivetrain if they could have it?

Aren't most cars insulated enough that you don't hear the drivetrain? Even a lot of stuff from 20 years ago you'd only really hear the engine if you went WOT, and newer sporty cars have fake noises because you can't actually hear much inside.

supafamous 12-04-2024 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by underscore (Post 9156874)
Aren't most cars insulated enough that you don't hear the drivetrain? Even a lot of stuff from 20 years ago you'd only really hear the engine if you went WOT, and newer sporty cars have fake noises because you can't actually hear much inside.

Compared to an EV (or a hybrid in EV mode) ICE cars are way louder when it comes to engine/motor sounds even today. My RDX pipes in fake noises which I just HATE - it provides zero value and is louder than an engine needs to be even when I'm just putzing around town.

nabs 12-04-2024 09:04 AM

After reading this page I miss my 1G TSX. Sold it at 260k kms in 2016, but it was still running very strong, no issues what so ever (because I maintained it). The car was so easy to work on and swap parts in and out with ease.

Manic! 12-04-2024 10:56 AM

EV truck company Telo says it will start selling its truck in 2025 for arounf 50K USD. 500 HP 350 mile range. 5 foot bed but you can fold the midgate so you can hold 4x8 sheet goods. With a size similar to a Mini. Will it actually come out? Who knows? but with popularity of Kei trucks this could be big. It also does 0 to 60 in 4 seconds.

https://www.telotrucks.com/

https://cleantechnica.com/wp-content...ric-truck.jpeg

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1lvz9tMCXYY

AstulzerRZD 12-04-2024 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by bcrdukes (Post 9156869)
Interesting you mention that.

The other week, a friend of mine came over to visit in his Tesla and we went for a drive. He used self driving mode most of the time and at the end of the day, my conclusion was:

1. This is not a car for me (Telsa, or full electric.) I want to hear and feel the feedback of my vehicle, but this is from a car enthusiast perspective.

2. The overall experience was very dull. Boring ride and eerily quiet. Maybe because of its refinement. Of course, this is a very personal opinion.

3. I can see how an EV would be attractive to certain people. People like my siblings who don't care about about cars and treat them like appliances and don't even like driving. (We are mortal enemies from that perspective.)

Low key the Tesla standard power trunk, heated steering wheel, and dimming mirrors might be enough to sell someone in the showroom.
Dukes, I think u will like Lucid or Mach E - inputs, chassis, and driving experience are like an electric E39 and GR Corolla.

Tesla is too different for me even as EV driver:

- Autopilot/FSD are "my way or the highway". Doesn't let u nudge it in lane away from a truck (completely disengages) and won't let you speed (10kmh over the limit max on city).
- Ride quality and noise quality is worse than China coilover and China tire on a Sentra.
- Regen can't be turned off - it isn't even the most efficient way to drive it if you can just coast.

On the flip side, other brands need to majorly fix their software, app and route planning.
Short of Rivian/Ford/Lucid, the rest all blow.


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