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Just read this article today. Very interesting: Tesla: Model 3 Could Put Elon Musk Out of Business, Hedge Fund Warns Quote:
Quote: "Tesla needs to raise the price of the Model 3—to at least $50,000 for a bare-bones model, or 43% higher than the price currently promised, Spiegel predicts. “I wouldn’t be surprised if Musk claims a $35,000 base price but then never delivers any even CLOSE to that number." and: "While Tesla has said the Model 3 will be available for as little as $35,000, Musk has predicted that the average sales price of the car will be $43,000, once customers add various upgrades and features. At that price and a minimum of $48,000 in costs per car, Tesla would lose at least $5,000 for every Model 3 it sells." |
VW is pushing its e-golf to have 200km range BMW is also adding range to its i3 and you should see EV Mini pretty soon. I believe the Leaf gets larger battery in 2016 already. In Asia and Europe, the Renault Zoe is now 200km EV. MB has the EV B-class on the road already. $35000 Model 3 should be pretty basic, mostly like the 60D basic. I assume most people ordering it is expecting to pay 40k+ as we all know Tesla options aren't really that cheap. For me, I am expecting to pay 45K+ for the dual motor model. Anything fancy like the glass roof or large rims or biochemical filter is only a luxury thing. I heard Musk is building battery plants in China or somewhere in Europe, hope that will lower the building cost. |
Agree that TSLA is the biggest single company stock bubble. Remember all the facebook post and twitter about TSLA going to the moon when it was at its peak at 280??? everyone on social media is so sure its going past 300$ TSLA is a triple digit penny stock. |
From an investor perspective, I'm not so sure TSLA is going under. The reason lies behind the gigafactory that TSLA owns. TSLA is not betting on becoming a dominant player in the car industry, but rather the absolute requirement of EV: batteries. By pricing Model 3 at or near its cost (assuming it's not willing to lose huge amount of money), it creates the economy of scale it needs to sustain such a gigantic battery production. Furthermore, it's betting that by doing so, it would attract major players in car industry to join suit (which it's clear that it's having effect)... and it would benefit itself as a major battery producer down the road. Panasonic/Tesla collaboration already positioned themselves as the largest battery producer in the world. Its single production is roughly no.2~4 combined. If all vehicles were to switch to EV based, it's in a great spot. If you look at TSLA products and acquisitions, you can see that it's not looking to expand in car industry, but rather additional usages of its batteries. Solar City is a great example: you can generate whatever amount of electricity... but you ultimately need somewhere to store it - TSLA batteries. Full disclosure: I have no TSLA position and no plan on doing so. |
Chevy Bolt is going to be around 30,000 USD. After tax incentives. Apparently Chevy is losing 9,000 per vehicle. It's got decent range at ~230 miles. I think they're pretty aggressive on this to get market share, whatever that means. Good news for the consumer though :) |
All Tesla vehicles produced starting next year will be able to go full autonomous by 2018. They will also have there own version of Uber that will be fully autonomous using customers cars. That has the possibility to make them tons of money. So they can sell the cars at cost and still turn a profit. They have also already banned people from using there autonomous cars for Uber. |
Tempted to put a deposit on a 3...anybody else have one in? |
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https://www.google.com/selfdrivingcar/where/ https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/21/nutonomy-boston/ https://www.wired.com/2016/10/ubers-...y-50000-beers/ Watch the first minute and Apple is ?excited? about the potential of self-driving cars | Ars Technica |
Ah yes, George Hotz, who apparently recently quit his plan to sell his "$999 autonomous driving upgrade kit" once safety regulators started making inquiries. In his words, “Would much rather spend my life building amazing tech than dealing with regulators and lawyers." Sounds like reliable and safe autonomous car technology for sure. ....But wait! He's apparently now released some self-driving software. Oh, hang on, according to him: “We’re not shipping a product.... We’re shipping alpha software really for research purposes only. We do not provide any guarantees.” Okay. :pokerface: The technology for autonomous vehicles happily and safely negotiating city streets, in all weather conditions, is "here" in the same way the technology for VR is "here". It's within our grasp, but still relatively rudimentary. All I see in those articles are phrases like "begin testing" and technology staying "only on the highway, where it doesn’t have to deal with tricky variables". |
Well for claims they will have a car buy 2021. https://media.ford.com/content/fordm...g-in-2021.html Same goes for BMW. https://www.wired.com/2016/07/bmws-b...ving-car-2021/ |
Sure, I won't deny it, who knows what will happen. Of course, it's not like auto manufacturers have ever given rosy predictions of launch dates or anything... And let's not forget that according to Google in 2012, we should pretty much be in autonomous cars by now: https://www.cnet.com/news/googles-se...ithin-5-years/ |
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glad i didn't put down a deposit...almost got hyped into being an early adopter though by the time it's actually widely available in Canada I'm almost sure there will be other players with competitive offerings. |
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the interior looks a lot better than I had anticipated |
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Love the new video, find me a CEO/ President of a multi billion dollar company that can speak about their product like this guy. But of course you can wait until 2021 to buy a Ford |
I got a buddy that wants to back out and hes in the 300ish spot. Anybody know if the deposits can change names or maybe different owner name when purchase time comes at the very least? |
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