Anyone noticed how cramps the back seats are?

That's what is drawing me to it. I can't stand how many physical buttons manufacturers are putting on their cars these days. Simplicity of design is great. Cell phones ditched the majority of buttons for touch screens a while back, the same idea is being applied here.

to me it depends what it is i'm trying to achieve

ie ever since my first smartphone I hated having any type of hardware (capacitive or otherwise) button on the front

on my car radio I find it cumbersome it has no volume knob...a knob just gets the job done so much quicker

I agree a minimalist car interior is appealing, but don't innovate for the sake of it and not actually improve any convenience or functionality

I know they would be ridiculed if they tried bringing an 80s/90s interior into a 'futuristic' vehicle but maybe go back to the roadster/lotus roots?

https://static.cargurus.com/images/s...1600x1200.jpeg
https://www.autocar.co.uk/sites/auto...?itok=DupQp0Sa

remember how a car used to be worth less than a sum of its parts? not really true for model 3…not a fancy aluminum or cf body but you're really paying for R&D aka just keeping this company alive

Yeah and it's shit to work with. With my old slider phone I could type without looking and rarely make a mistake, now I have to stare at the screen and make mistakes all the time. It's just a minor annoyance on a phone, but in a vehicle you *need* to be able to operate things by feel alone. Having a giant tablet bolted to the dash doesn't remove the buttons, it just changes how you press them into a subpar format.

Not to mention if it gets damaged in some way you lose everything.

I’ve only driven the model S but it’s touch screen seemed completely intuitive and easy to use/find what you’re looking for.

The 3’s seems a little more akward (at least from pictures) with the way it’s mounted

It is exactly as you imagined it to be ... awkward because it is diagonal to the right ... unless it has HUD for the normal things like tach, speedo, etc. I think your main feedback display should be in your line of sight. Maybe owner can chime in.

I will forever stick with a manual gasoline engine till the day they are gone

even if gas stations start disappearing and 87 costs $5/L?

props for hitting their quota and getting it done
I would be very concerned about the durability/longevity of these Model 3s though

- robots are pushed past their factory-specs to crank out 1000 vehicles daily
- workers are doing 70+ hours a week
- their extended production line is a tent in the parking lot
- they've removed 300 welds deemed unnecessary

you'd think they're trying to build arms for another world war or something :heckno:

now let's see those 35k USD Teslas soon without asking more for basic paint

https://jalopnik.com/tesla-did-it-wi...ats-1827285289

hahaha now some tesla 3 gonna have the subframe problem of the e46

some in-depth info from dissembling it with a fine toothcomb for reverse engineering


tl;dw
the electronics and battery are phenomenal (drive controller made by nvidia)
mechanicals are sub-par
body & build is similar to a 90s Kia...ouch

a tech company first and foremost...hope they learn lots from mass production

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/04/29...rovokes-tesla/

TL;DR

Munro took apart a second car and found the panel gap issue (this is what was referred to in calling the build quality as that of a 90's kia) was gone.

Typical revscene bitching about panel gap and miss the point entirely:

Tesla Elon Musk orders Fremont engineers to stop brake and roll test - Business Insider

panel gaps are just the tip of the iceberg..if you bothered reading my last 2 posts

Munro et al had two 2 cars for teardown...he even said in that April interview it's hit and miss some are fine while others are garbage

so if Tesla's defense is true, it still doesn't address what happens if your'ps was produced in 2017 or early 2018 with 90s Kia finish? there's no lemon law here

the bigger issue seems to be removing hundreds of spot welds...so they traded one problem for a potentially a much larger one...are we gonna see crash tests re-done?

Munro suggested that Tesla is inexperienced outside battery and drive controller and the chassis is overtly-complicated and heavy and that it was impossible to sell at 36K without loss

Regarding profitability, the most accurate teardown of the vehicle to date shows material and logistics cost of $18k and labour cost of $10k. I think they can be profitable on that considering they have done zero marketing for the vehicle. (REF: https://electrek.co/2018/05/31/tesla...oduction-cost/)

For the overtly complicated and heavy vehicle that's being produced, when comparing it to a traditionally built ICE vehicle it's not really a fair comparison. Tesla has built these cars to be fast and safe first and foremost. So far, the vehicle has hit the mark on both of these (ref: 2018 Tesla Model 3).
Any panel gap issues or whatever else you can nitpick about it are quickly fixed upon delivery. One thing Tesla has done very well thus far is stand behind their vehicle and fix any issues with it.

so we should take Munro's assessment with a grain of salt, as he suggested the heft doesn't help performance/safety? He's reverse engineered many EVs, not just ICE vehicles

if gaps are dealt with before delivery we wouldn't really hear about it...sadly there's quite a few out there with poor finish

do they service build quality issues on the dealer on west 4th?

cause they're not gonna prioritize your 'nitpick' concerns when they've setup a triage tent just to pump out 1000 vehicles/day

no they're not gonna fly out a technician from California unless you are Marques Brownlee

Get this sample of one out of your way of thinking. One event via youtube video as evidence LUL. The fact that the cars were built under a tent doesn't matter. That's all media sensationalism bullshit. The fact that he ordered brake test, a critical safety procedure, to be skipped for the Model 3 line actually matters.

And your youtube videos BS. It's like the Model S car fire getting turned into a statement of safety of Tesla to satisfy confirmation bias. There are 200,000 car fires per anum. Model Ss and Model Xs are some of, if not, the safest cars in the the whole world.

Before you bash their safety, do this: count the rate of these Tesla defects and compare to those of other auto manufacturers. Use statistics instead of turning random events, and BS youtube videos into factual statement. The top quality auto makers Lexus has an average 73 defects per 100 cars. If I go out and look at 10 cars, seeing defects on 7 of them and conclude Lexus's quality is garbage, I'm an idiot.

These guys definitely have financial issues with creative accounting and there are a lot of investigative journalists looking into them.

Marques' mishap wasn't just one event

his steering failed again after warranty service...he got lucky it didn't fail when it was a life/death situation...if you watch his other youtube videos he's a major TSLA fanboy so fabricating a lie for youtube dollars will jeoprodize his pretty solid reputation

as is Munro's...guys whos' been in the reverse engineering biz for decades and spends thousands of hours mapping each dissembly with clients from military organizations. So the second car had acceptable panel assembly, how about the mechanicals? is it still inferior than the industry average?

you're gonna buy that it's all simply bad luck the press from social media reviewers to consulting firms received defective units? really?

i agree they are under intense scrutiny right now..and rightfully so



yep looks safe, the X passed IIHS with flying colours so this one was clearly defective...an outlier...a freak accident...controlled lab tests are obviously indicitive of real world implications, move on guys

It's good to see that Tesla has started to at least do the Roll part of the Brake and Roll test again.

don't they have to retest with IIHS after removing 300 welds?

teslas overlap test are pretty bad for a 2017+ car

volvo s90 did the same thing as the model X (autonomous cruise control and 115km/h) and missed a parked maintenance truck you don't see the whole front end gone.
https://i.imgur.com/2FvpT4a.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/g8ZzNAs.jpg
driver and passenger escape before car caught on fire

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damn that red 3 doing the brake test looked good

just signed up for a test drive
be warned...I didn't check that I want the spam, still got spammed :rukidding:

https://www.tesla.com/en_CA/drive?redirect=no

I got a call from them yesterday to set up a test drive but was told they are still waiting for their Model 3 to arrive. From what i understand, all the M3's for test drive will be the Performance AWD version.