The Official 2017 Provincial Election Thread

[Great68]

Originally Posted by Traum

Hydro power results in massive loss of land and habitat, and have a drastic effect on salmon life. Construction is also hugely expensive, and the size of the plant is not really too scalable.

Maybe if this was on a river that's never been dammed before I'd agree.

But the Peace River already has TWO dams on it upstream of Site C, one of which is the WAC Bennett Dam which made the 2nd biggest Hydro reservoir in North America. The land loss impact of Site C is quite literally a drop in the bucket. There is no other location in BC better suited for a new dam.

The reason we all enjoy some of the cheapest power in the world today is because our previous governments had the foresight and fortitude to carry out these projects. Hydro in my mind is still the best bang for the buck, reliable, clean power out there.

[MG1]

Originally Posted by MrPhreak

Take the other Clark for instance, the ex NDP premier, Glen Clark. I believe he is Jimmy Patterson's right hand man

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Pattison_Group

Went from left to right.............

[vitaminG]

Originally Posted by Great68

Yeah, all those companies geared & skilled up for a large scale industrial project in rural BC can just make the jump into building condo towers in Vancouver...
Construction is construction right?

LOL!

To be fair a lot of those companies and people aren't from bc.

But ya, I don't see many guys wanting to work in Vancouver for half the money and triple the living expenses. Not to mention many trades involved in resources and heavy construction are not in any way related to new home construction. They're not just generic "construction workers"

[RRxtar]

Northern bc is absolutely panicking right now. With oil tanking everyone has been struggling for the last 2 years just trying to hang on. My FB is full of people legitimately worried about their future now that lng is off the table. These people can't even sell their homes because there is nothing to move there for and no one is buying.

[originalhypa]

Originally Posted by murd0c

not only that she's going to be making nothing but money from the government pension she's going to get

As per the global news report.

She will be collecting about $100,000 dollars a year initially, and that will be indexed to inflation. Totalling we think about a grand total of $1.7 million by age 80,” said Scott Hennig.

Also,

Meanwhile, Elections BC say that filling her seat will also have a hefty price tag.

According to them, a by-election to fill Clark’s seat in the legislature could cost about half a million dollars.

“The cost does depend on you know which district the by-election is being held in. There’s been a redistribution of electoral boundaries since 2013, but a by-election was held in the west-side Kelowna district in 2013 and it cost about $480,000,” said Andrew Watson with Elections BC.

Still cheaper than Khadr.




Christy Clark to walk-away with hefty pension: Canadian Taxpayers Federation | Globalnews.ca

[Bouncing Bettys]

Next up for Christy is a cushy "job" in the private sector as reward for her years of public service to them. The modern day political bribe - give us what we want and you will be set for life once you retire from public office.

[MG1]

So, by-election needs to be called within a certain time. What happens if an NDP candidate wins. It's been so long ago, I have forgotten the count. I guess the Greens will still hold the balance of power. Gawd, what a gong show, lol.

Question is, did she just want to leave public life to be with her son, since she's set for life, or was she pushed out. I think the tricky snake made a deal with a large corporation. We'll find out soon enough.

[Jmac]

It was 43 Liberals, 41 NDP, and 3 Greens.

If NDP wins (IIRC, that would be a longshot in that riding), it would be 42-42-3. So Greens would still have the swing votes.

From what I heard today, she was pushed out.

[carisear]

Originally Posted by Great68

Maybe if this was on a river that's never been dammed before I'd agree.

But the Peace River already has TWO dams on it upstream of Site C, one of which is the WAC Bennett Dam which made the 2nd biggest Hydro reservoir in North America. The land loss impact of Site C is quite literally a drop in the bucket. There is no other location in BC better suited for a new dam.

The reason we all enjoy some of the cheapest power in the world today is because our previous governments had the foresight and fortitude to carry out these projects. Hydro in my mind is still the best bang for the buck, reliable, clean power out there.

i'm all for large infrastructure projects that benefit everyone.

hydro, skytrain, bridges -- this is what govt's are supposed to do.

[Traum]

Originally Posted by carisear

She is the single reason liberals did not win a majority this election. good on her for putting the party first.

I'd at least question whether it was her own decision to resign from party leadership, or whether it was something she was forced / pressured into doing. If the Liberals' internal strategy / analysis team has anything resembling half a brain, they would have known long ago that Crusty was the single reason why the Libs lost the election. If she continues to hang on to the leadership role, the hatred towards her will continue to affect the Liberals. If I were the Liberals party whip or anyone resembling an elder, I would pressure her to forfeit the leadership position.

The resignation from her MLA position is quite surprising to me though. She is freshly elected in her riding, and especially given the delicate balance of the current seats distribution, it makes more sense for her to stay on until the end of her term. West Kelowna is a Liberals stronghold, so the chances of the Libs losing in a byelection is small. But small =\= none. Stepping down from the Liberals leadership would have been enough of a political gesture to bear the responsibility of the loss.

[MG1]

Originally Posted by Traum

The resignation from her MLA position is quite surprising to me though. She is freshly elected in her riding, and especially given the delicate balance of the current seats distribution, it makes more sense for her to stay on until the end of her term. West Kelowna is a Liberals stronghold, so the chances of the Libs losing in a byelection is small. But small =\= none. Stepping down from the Liberals leadership would have been enough of a political gesture to bear the responsibility of the loss.

She probably/most likely didn't want to be out that way in the first place. She was born and raised in Burnaby. Went to high school there and went to SFU. She even ran as a mayoral candidate for Vancouver. Reading up on her life history, it's weird how she was the minister of education under the then dishonourable drunk, Gordon Gin, I mean, Campbell where she stirred up some shit with teachers. She continued with that theme when she became the premier. Her father was a teacher, of all things.......... anyway, her family should not be up for discussion. Nuff said.

[Jmac]

The reason she ended up with a Kelowna riding is that she lost in her riding in 2013 and the Kelowna representative resigned so she could run in his place in a by-election and keep the Premiership.

[Traum]

She had to be "exiled" to West Kelowna to keep her Premiership because she lost in her Point Grey riding in a 2013. If it is her personal decision to quit the MLA position as well, I'd take that as a disservice and a poor sense of duty / responsibility to her constituency in West Kelowna. If it was part of the party pressure to make her quit the MLA as well, then I'd take that as the Liberals' blatant exploitation of their voter base, since the voters are being treated as little more than obedient sheeps.

I also never understood Crusty's chip on the shoulder against teachers. Esp when her father was a teacher before, you'd think she'd have a little more understanding and respect towards the profession. Issues, I'm telling you... issues...

[whitev70r]

Sounds like a combination of a number of factors ... Liberal leadership wanted her to step aside, she wanted to return to Metro Vancouver ... could be as simple as that.

[dark0821]

^ i think so too... and why not.. with a pension like that... she could literally just rest easy... and enjoy life?

[meme405]

Cancelling Site-C is the infrastructural equivalent of killing the HST.

It will end up costing more to kill the project than to just complete the fucking thing. If NDP attempts to pull that one, once the dust settles, they will haved kissed another 2 decades of leadership away just like they did with the fast cat ferry's.

[Hondaracer]

killing site C and the people behind that campaign are the opitome of your wishy washy left wing morons.

For ducking decades now we're going on about global warming, "dirty" oil, Canada's dependency on bitumen, the ever lasting effects of processing the oil sands, renewable energy, bla bla bla

Then we have Site C, hydro, the definition of clean, renewable, energy.. and because short term financials don't align with a project that is Projected to span 5-10 DECADES we want to backtrack and look at other options?

Shit like this makes me fucking sick.

[Blueboy222]

[MG1]

I used to be an NDP supporter, being from the East End, but as time went on, I realized how fucking stupid these clowns are. So short sighted and basically, morons. I can't remember one NDP party leader who was capable of seeing the future. In bed with the unions and just being plain stupid. Did I mention how stupid and short sighted they are?

I don't think they have the concept of, "What's best for the province." The future, clowns, the future. Get it? Do you guys not have children and grandchildren in this province? You are going to ruin their future and put everyone in debt. Including the working class. See the larger picture, idots.

/rant

[westopher]

The thing is people are put in a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario.
NDP you are going to kill the economy.
Liberals you kill education and environment.
Liberals make the rich richer and the poor poorer.
NDP makes everyone poorer.
The average person is fucked either way, and our kids are even more fucked, because there is ZERO fucking accountability to these self serving pieces of shit in power.

[MG1]

It doesn't matter if it's Provincial, Federal, Canadian, or another country, politicians are all corrupt. They're in bed with whoever will support them. Integrity is a foreign word to them. Hidden agendas and just plain dishonesty - no accountability. Gone are the days politicians ran with honest intentions and to do good.

When's the last time a politician won the hearts of the people? I can only think of one. Chuck Cadman.

Lie, deny, and then lie some more is the name of the game.

I'm sure there are some politicians at the civic level who may actually make a difference, but go for something larger and you have to sell your damn soul to make it to the top. So depressing. No wAnder so many people don't show up to exercise their franchise. It's sad when that happens.



EDIT: Okay, I guess Obama was a decent politician. Despite being black in America, he had respect. He could have done a lot more, but he had his hands tied from day one - too many obstacles and road blocks. Even though it was obvious his vision and actions were going to make a positive difference, the opposition made sure it was not going to happen. The two term rule did not work in this case. Anyway, america is going to be great again, lol. Look what they got!

[MG1]

I cannot believe I'm discussing politics............ bcrdukes for president!

[Jmac]

Read up on the Snowden shit and you'll see Obama's hands aren't clean, either. That said, he was better than average.

[Traum]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

killing site C and the people behind that campaign are the opitome of your wishy washy left wing morons.

For ducking decades now we're going on about global warming, "dirty" oil, Canada's dependency on bitumen, the ever lasting effects of processing the oil sands, renewable energy, bla bla bla

Then we have Site C, hydro, the definition of clean, renewable, energy.. and because short term financials don't align with a project that is Projected to span 5-10 DECADES we want to backtrack and look at other options?

Shit like this makes me fucking sick.

Despite my reservations towards Site C, I agree that at this point, it is too costly to stop the project now. But that doesn't mean the project is without problems. If costs was the only issue, it wouldn't be nearly as controversial as it is now.

I am obviously not intimately familiar with all the issues / reasons against Site C, but among them are the legal challenges / judicial reviews, ignoring the concerns raised by their own review panels. IMO, the most worrisome concerns were raised by the Royal Society of Canada, which is basically a large group of Canadian scholars / academics. Generally speaking, whenever a group of academics join in to voice their concern regarding a certain topic, I tend to take that quite seriously because academics are often subject matter experts on the issues at hand, and as academics, they have no benefits of their own or things to gain from voicing their concern.

Democratic societies with a functional legal system cannot just do things as they wish, or simply go through the motions when they are all just a sham. There are processes in place, and when the government do things, they have to follow process. It's called procedural justice. Even if the project at hand is supposed to be beneficial, you still have to follow due process and resolve the disputes before things can continue. To ignore that is what authoritarian governments and dictatorships do. Unfortunately, I have personally seen too many of these things happening at both the municipal and provincial levels.

[stewie]

Originally Posted by MG1

I don't think they have the concept of, "What's best for the province." The future, clowns, the future. Get it? Do you guys not have children and grandchildren in this province? You are going to ruin their future and put everyone in debt. Including the working class. See the larger picture, idots.

/rant

Children and grandchildren are already fucked for their future long before NDP took over. If you've kids in their teens or 20's right now who are wanting to get out and live on their own or even buy a place, good luck.. They've 3 options - live at home until they're 40, rent a place with a friend or girlfriend and be broke, or move away and leave their family.
Sure there may be a select few who've the ability to buy a place whether it be parents who are able to help them with a down payment or have been lucky enough to land a job that pays well and have to move further away to avoid being in forever debt but I don't think the majority of people fall in that group.

So when I hear "what's best for the province" it makes me a bit ticked off that liberals had the audacity to let things get the way it did and will now point a finger at the NDP telling them they'll ruin the province. Put your people first before helping out of country people who've money to throw around. The rich are rich, they don't need the help right now. The poor and middle class are in desperate need of help.