The Official 2017 Provincial Election Thread

[Traum]

Originally Posted by DragonChi

B.C. Green Party agrees to support NDP in the legislature - British Columbia - CBC News

"The Greens and NDP said the agreement was a "Confidence and Supply Agreement," meaning a guarantee of support for any budgets or confidence motions."

... well, fuck. I thought the Greens would keep NDP spending in check.

Our government -- both federal and provincial -- can be brought down by a vote of no-confidence, and as a matter of procedure, rejecting the budget automatically results in a vote of no confidence. So as long as the Greens are playing ball with the NDP, they will support an NDP budget. Any "keeping the spending in check" will only happen in the backroom discussions.

[DragonChi]

I see, that supports why this government isn't expected to last that long.

There are more details to come tomorrow, when their agreement gets ratified.

[inv4zn]

Originally Posted by murd0c

You might think the Liberals did fuck all for our province but business has been fantastic which has helped the BC economy grow into what it is today. Shit might really go south now with all this free stuff the NDP wants to give away. The money has to come from somewhere so get ready to get taxed to hell.

Yes but 'business booming' (which is subjective in its self, depending on who you ask) has come at a cost.

Your statement itself is conjecture - shit "might" go down with the free stuff the NDP wants to give away, which they haven't.

We're already being taxed to shit with no accountability, ie. carbon tax, ICBC general revenue, etc. I don't want to pay taxes as much as the other guy, but having 40% of my gas bill go to some general pool that the liberals have been dipping into for who knows what, I donno man.

[68style]

Originally Posted by Jmac

RS: Land of Political Science majors who minored in Economics

Isn't that every topic on every message forum in existence? Every single forum topic would just be empty as people sit and wait for someone with credentials to come post with no further discussion. Sounds like a blast.

In short, this is the very first useless post I've ever seen you make lol

[GS8]

Originally Posted by 68style

Isn't that every topic on every message forum in existence? Every single forum topic would just be empty as people sit and wait for someone with credentials to come post with no further discussion. Sounds like a blast.

In short, this is the very first useless post I've ever seen you make lol

Looks like the SJW got triggered

[Teriyaki]

Soooo... Do we get Uber or not?

[RRxtar]

correct me if im wrong. but dont the liberals still have the opportunity to form a government, regardless of the coalition, since they won the election? obviously the coalition being a majority opposition would vote no confidence at the first opportunity, halting the legislature, and send us back to another election?

if so, imagine the lols if the liberals do better in the next one and get a majority.

[hypediss]

Liberals form a government, coalition votes down on it

[MrPhreak]

Originally Posted by DragonChi

I see, that supports why this government isn't expected to last that long.

There are more details to come tomorrow, when their agreement gets ratified.

I wonder just how much Horgan had to sell out his voters to make this deal with the Green devil?

My guess is the NDP will keep the removal of the tolls, along with the 400$ buy off for renters. They need those two things to save face and the Greens will shrug at. As far as terminating both Site C and BC LNG; and additional funding for health care and education goes... they basically agree with the Greens. Weaver stated he wanted money out of politics, and the NDP were sort of on that train as well.

Finally, Weaver is hard up for electoral reform so he can get a bigger share of the pie... I don't think the NDP care that much because it would require a referendum, and most voters still want an MLA to represent them so it would fail on that anyway.

So where will all the hard bargaining compromises be?

Possible areas:
1) 30$ carbon tax to 60$ carbon tax
2) 30% Foreign Buyers Tax province wide
3) 10$/Day Daycare to 15$/day

[Mr.HappySilp]

Originally Posted by MrPhreak

Possible areas:
1) 30$ carbon tax to 60$ carbon tax
2) 30% Foreign Buyers Tax province wide
3) 10$/Day Daycare to 15$/day

1. Affect everyone not just the rich. The cost will just be pass onto us. So the poor will end up paying more
2. Won't stop the market. More people moving to BC than the housing supply. Since with the tax increase if I was a developer I would totally slow down or even stop building up apartments/townhomes complex to decrease supply thus increasing the price I can sell them. Only hurts the locals. Besdie 30% doesn't hurt most foreign buyers anyways. There are always loopholes they can use. So it doesn't do a thing
3.Where is the money going to come from? Tax increase? Decrease service in other public service to support this?

If I was Crusty Clark I would totally let NDP and greens runs the gov for a few months. And gets any chance I can go vote down anything I can just to screw with up. Screw them up. NDP and Green won't play nice for long. They are going crack and split. When that happens do a vote again. People will see how bad/poor NPD and the Green is and will vote for the liberal since there is no other choice.

[Traum]

Originally Posted by MrPhreak

Finally, Weaver is hard up for electoral reform so he can get a bigger share of the pie... I don't think the NDP care that much because it would require a referendum, and most voters still want an MLA to represent them so it would fail on that anyway.

I'm curious how this one would turn out too. Weaver wants to just do electoral reform -- as in, push it down on BC voters. Horgan is a bit sleazy here, saying he supports electoral reform, but needs to have it go through referendum first. The last 2 times BC had a referendum on it, we apparently voted it down. So somebody would have to give, and I suspect it's going to be Horgan / NDP.

Originally Posted by Mr.HappySilp

2. Won't stop the market. More people moving to BC than the housing supply. Since with the tax increase if I was a developer I would totally slow down or even stop building up apartments/townhomes complex to decrease supply thus increasing the price I can sell them. Only hurts the locals. Besdie 30% doesn't hurt most foreign buyers anyways. There are always loopholes they can use. So it doesn't do a thing

It won't stop the market, but it will certainly slow the market one way or another. Besides, the foreign investor tax was mostly affecting higher dollar homes, not the smaller apartments / townhomes that regular working class people are purchasing.

And the 30% foreign buyer tax is only 1 of the Greens housing affordability trick. The other was a speculator / flipper tax that applies on home sales when the purchase only happened in recent history (forgot how many years of prior purchase he said it would include -- I think it was something between 3 to 5?).

[Hondaracer]

Saddling BC tax payers with 500 million dollar portman hwy 1 debt and the insane amounts of compounding interest as a result of scrapping tolls will certainly make us all richer!

[originalhypa]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Saddling BC tax payers with 500 million dollar portman hwy 1 debt and the insane amounts of compounding interest as a result of scrapping tolls will certainly make us all richer!

The crazy thing is that the Liberals have spent the last decade building up the population, but they haven't done much to ensure that infrastructure is keeping up. This was the worst May long weekend traffic that I have ever seen. The Coq is proving to be dangerous during the winter due to a lack of maintenance, and the S2S clogs up anytime you drop down to one lane. So here we are cutting budgets and tolls, while the routes are over capacity and under maintained.

And that's just transportation. What about the medical system or the school systems? Things are going crazy in this province right now and people want changes. I just hope this is the group that gets it all under control again.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Originally Posted by originalhypa

The crazy thing is that the Liberals have spent the last decade building up the population, but they haven't done much to ensure that infrastructure is keeping up. This was the worst May long weekend traffic that I have ever seen. The Coq is proving to be dangerous during the winter due to a lack of maintenance, and the S2S clogs up anytime you drop down to one lane. So here we are cutting budgets and tolls, while the routes are over capacity and under maintained.

And that's just transportation. What about the medical system or the school systems? Things are going crazy in this province right now and people want changes. I just hope this is the group that gets it all under control again.

Well more money will be spend on education but where will the money come from? Yea.... all those that voted for NDP and cheering for a NDP minority clearly thinks money grows on trees. Just wait till either tax goes up or BC debt level raise and see how they like a NDP gov.

Running the gov is like tunning a guiltar just right. Too lose and you can't play it and sounds terrible. Too tight on the strings and it snaps. NDP will be the lose strings. Just keep on spending and worry about the debt level later. Tax the rich too much and they will just move their investment to another place. Less investment > slower economy grwoth > less job > more layoffs > less spending money for the economy > business makes less money and the cycle just keeps on going.

[6o4__boi]

meh, too much paranoia and speculation about the current situation

i'd actually wait and see what the NDP/Greens approach will be and that'll take a few months to a year

i'm interested in the contents of their agreement, imo, this is a pretty good situation for bc politics in general and should stir up some voter interest at least in the foreseeable future.

[Traum]

Originally Posted by Mr.HappySilp

Running the gov is like tunning a guiltar just right. Too lose and you can't play it and sounds terrible. Too tight on the strings and it snaps. NDP will be the lose strings. Just keep on spending and worry about the debt level later. Tax the rich too much and they will just move their investment to another place. Less investment > slower economy grwoth > less job > more layoffs > less spending money for the economy > business makes less money and the cycle just keeps on going.

^^ Thank you and very well said, Mr.HappySilp! This is precisely why we need to switch away from a Liberals government after 16 years of constant cranking / tightening of the strings. Keep winding those strings up and they'll snap!

[whitev70r]

Strategically, Clark should recall legislature, present throne speech and budget with enough goodies in it to make Greens happy and test the agreement. See what happens.

[MarkyMark]

Going by the replies in this thread BC is going to look like the set of Mad Max by the time the NDP is done with it.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Originally Posted by Traum

^^ Thank you and very well said, Mr.HappySilp! This is precisely why we need to switch away from a Liberals government after 16 years of constant cranking / tightening of the strings. Keep winding those strings up and they'll snap!

I live just fine under Liberal Gov. However in the 90's under NDP family did terrible.

[Jmac]

Originally Posted by whitev70r

Strategically, Clark should recall legislature, present throne speech and budget with enough goodies in it to make Greens happy and test the agreement. See what happens.

If they were going to do that, they would've been better off just negotiating an agreement with the Greens in the first place.

Also, how the hell did Christie not participate in negotiations with the Greens?

[Jmac]

Originally Posted by MarkyMark

Going by the replies in this thread BC is going to look like the set of Mad Max by the time the NDP is done with it.

Downtown Vancouver, May 2018

[6o4__boi]

Originally Posted by Jmac

Downtown Vancouver, June 2011

Fixed.

[quasi]

Originally Posted by Jmac

If they were going to do that, they would've been better off just negotiating an agreement with the Greens in the first place.

Also, how the hell did Christie not participate in negotiations with the Greens?

This seems like a big misstep from the Greens to me, they really should be pitting both parties against each other to get the best deal possible.

[Jmac]

Originally Posted by quasi

This seems like a big misstep from the Greens to me, they really should be pitting both parties against each other to get the best deal possible.

They negotiated with both the Liberal and NDP parties. Just, for whatever reason, Christy Clark wasn't involved in the negotiations for the Liberals.

[Anjew]

Because shes not a real professional. a real professional would drop the bs like John and Andrew and make things happen. This is Christy's real self leaking here.