The Official 2017 Provincial Election Thread

[Traum]

Originally Posted by MrPhreak

Flash forward to a year ago... NDP got into power, and suddenly unemployment in Calgary went to typical NDP levels. I watched as literally hundreds of people I know were laid off with no possibility of finding work. I personally got laid off, and I ended up working 2 part time jobs trying to make ends meet. The interviews I got for work also changed from pleasant meetings, to full on interrogations.

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You can blame downturns, or economic factors, or whatever else helps you justify this obscene track record they hold... go full Tyee retard if you want, but at the end of the day, the fact remains that the NDP are oblivious to how their feel good short sighted polices negatively impact the provincial economy.

In Alberta, I don't think it is completely fair to blame the current sorry state all on the NDP government. Oil prices tanked before the NDP came onboard, and shxt was already hitting the fan.

[inv4zn]

Originally Posted by carisear

Hey Inv4zn, I enjoy reading your posts. you clearly laid out why you voted ndp and why you don't vote for another party. what i'd like to know is how you, personally, are hit hard by liberal policy? With what you described, you should be reaping the benefits of a liberal gov't.

(please don't just say 'social programs! healthcare! education! housing!' people who say those things without offering any details are a waste of air.)

Sure, assuming it's not some thinly veiled troll-post to draw out more bickering, I'll do my best. I voted NDP because they mostly align with my values, moreso than the liberals and the greens. Also I live in New West...which is always NDP lol.

Now, to be a little clearer, I'm going to be interchanging Clark, and Liberals freely - because to me they are one and the same. Her shenanigans are the ones of the BC Liberals, because well, they chose her to be lead. She was the premier.

Also, to directly answer your question, did Clark's actions directly affect me? No, probably not. As an example, her fucking up teacher's unions was after I graduated high school, so it didn't impact me directly. It probably impacted lots of parents who had to scramble for daycare, or teachers themselves, but not me directly.

But my point is this. Everything has gone up. ICBC rates have gone up, MSP premiums have gone up, BC Hydro bills have gone up, various taxes have gone up (gas tax, property tax, etc.). Traffic times have gone up because cheap-asses refuse to take the fuckup that is Golden Ears and Port Mann, and the Liberals are constantly crying about how there's no money for this, no money for that. So where the fuck did it all go.

The Liberals, in my mind, do not give a shit about the average citizen.

Yes, let's shut down Burrard Bridge to do some yoga, on tax payer's money, for publicity! Yes, let's sell government land to a liberal donor for far below appraised value! Yes, let's sell off BC water to a conglomerate corporation at pennies! Yes, let's spend millions of tax money on advertisements! Then there's the whole shitshow that was the HST, her "donations" from corporate buddies, and so much other controversy that I can't even remember now. They're constantly under fire for mismanagement of funds, from anything from chartering planes, to drawing out stupid lawsuits just driving up the costs.

And you know, you might be right. Given my demographic, maybe I am set to flourish under liberal policy, and new NDP/Green policies might fuck me. But I don't mind paying taxes as long as it's benefiting citizens, even if I'm not a direct beneficiary. I do mind when tax dollars are used for thinly and poorly veiled plans to enrich those who are already rich. And I'm tired of the BC Liberals who seem to be hellbent on making their party members, corporations, and the rich even richer, at the expense of us peasants. And apparently quite a few other peasants also think so.

TL;DR, I voted because I agree with NDP values as much as I think Christy Clark is a cunt, and really wanted to see her out. If in a few years I come to regret my decision, I'll come back here and post a picture of my sock in my mouth.

[Jmac]

Originally Posted by MrPhreak

Looks like a nice create set of stats you got there, lol. Who published that, the Tyee?

How about we look at something more meaningful, like the actual unemployment rates?

The NDP held power in B.C. from 1991 to 2000. After they took power, in 1992... the heavy corporate taxes they burdened the provinces businesses with, caused employment to sky rocket to a whopping 10.1%. To give you an idea of just how incredibly shitty that is, right now Calgary is a fucking nightmare for people to find work and they are at around 9.3% right now. That is just one city, not an entire province.

Now to the NDP's credit, unemployment eventually dropped to 7.7% (still fucking horrible btw) by the end of the second term.. but then again, the province was basically on life support by the end of the NDP rein... average wages had dropped, and a lot of people had either just moved to another province or given up looking for work.

Now in comparison... this year, BC's unemployment dropped from 5.4% to 5.1% in January.... that is the lowest in the entire country. One of the reasons we are even having a housing crisis is because people are moving here, and mostly because we have a stellar economy.

How does that translate into tangible meaning for normal everyday people?

Let's put it this way... I was unfortunate enough to finish my schooling while the NDP was still in power. It was time to find a job, and get my life started.

I literally went up against hundreds of people for every single job, and employers had so many applicants they came up with creative awful ways to sort through them. Getting a job in my field was next to impossible, so I resorted to getting a job just to survive. I had to do an IQ and Dyslexia test for a part time teller job at Canadian Tire, I also had to do a 1000 question ethics test for a summer job with Telus. By the way, both of those interviews were held in a competitive classroom format. The shit that was going on was utterly unbelievable. Eventually I had to leave BC, I had no more money for rent, I was down to eating a single meal a day, it was either take a job in AB or basically end up on the street.

Meanwhile in Alberta the unemployment rate was 4.7%... I was able to find a job, and it turned into a pretty good career. Although it took a deep personal toll being away from my friends and family, and of course having to put up with Flames & Oilers fans. I certainly would have preferred to stay in my home province had there been any possible way for me to do that.

Flash forward to a year ago... NDP got into power, and suddenly unemployment in Calgary went to typical NDP levels. I watched as literally hundreds of people I know were laid off with no possibility of finding work. I personally got laid off, and I ended up working 2 part time jobs trying to make ends meet. The interviews I got for work also changed from pleasant meetings, to full on interrogations.

What I am trying to say here is, this is what 10% unemployment feels like. And without any reservation, I can tell you the NDP bring it every single time they get into power in every province.

You can blame downturns, or economic factors, or whatever else helps you justify this obscene track record they hold... go full Tyee retard if you want, but at the end of the day, the fact remains that the NDP are oblivious to how their feel good short sighted polices negatively impact the provincial economy.

Statistics Canada, the ultimate SJW libtard snowflake source.

During that 1992 NDP hellhole of an economy, clearly the result of an NDP borderline communism dictatorship, the Canadian national average for unemployment was 11.2% and only Saskatchewan (8.0%, NDP), Manitoba (9.3%, PC), and Alberta (9.5%, PC) had better unemployment rates that year.

Oh fuck, all of Canada was above that "still fucking horrible btw" 7.7% that year (with NDP-led governments having the lowest and 4th lowest unemployment rates in the country). Maybe the entire fucking country was in a recession? Who's the retard here?

As for people moving here, BC had the 4th highest population growth between 2011 and 2016 in Canada at 5.6%, lagging behind Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba.

As for Alberta, let's see. Shell announced over a year before the NDP got voted into power that they were pulling out of the oilsands as part of a $30B plan along with many of the other major players. The writing had been on the wall for years. But, clearly, all the NDP's fault that world economics and decades of putting all their eggs in one fucking basket resulted in mass layoffs.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Originally Posted by inv4zn

Sure, assuming it's not some thinly veiled troll-post to draw out more bickering, I'll do my best. I voted NDP because they mostly align with my values, moreso than the liberals and the greens. Also I live in New West...which is always NDP lol.

Now, to be a little clearer, I'm going to be interchanging Clark, and Liberals freely - because to me they are one and the same. Her shenanigans are the ones of the BC Liberals, because well, they chose her to be lead. She was the premier.

Also, to directly answer your question, did Clark's actions directly affect me? No, probably not. As an example, her fucking up teacher's unions was after I graduated high school, so it didn't impact me directly. It probably impacted lots of parents who had to scramble for daycare, or teachers themselves, but not me directly.

But my point is this. Everything has gone up. ICBC rates have gone up, MSP premiums have gone up, BC Hydro bills have gone up, various taxes have gone up (gas tax, property tax, etc.). Traffic times have gone up because cheap-asses refuse to take the fuckup that is Golden Ears and Port Mann, and the Liberals are constantly crying about how there's no money for this, no money for that. So where the fuck did it all go.

The Liberals, in my mind, do not give a shit about the average citizen.

Yes, let's shut down Burrard Bridge to do some yoga, on tax payer's money, for publicity! Yes, let's sell government land to a liberal donor for far below appraised value! Yes, let's sell off BC water to a conglomerate corporation at pennies! Yes, let's spend millions of tax money on advertisements! Then there's the whole shitshow that was the HST, her "donations" from corporate buddies, and so much other controversy that I can't even remember now. They're constantly under fire for mismanagement of funds, from anything from chartering planes, to drawing out stupid lawsuits just driving up the costs.

And you know, you might be right. Given my demographic, maybe I am set to flourish under liberal policy, and new NDP/Green policies might fuck me. But I don't mind paying taxes as long as it's benefiting citizens, even if I'm not a direct beneficiary. I do mind when tax dollars are used for thinly and poorly veiled plans to enrich those who are already rich. And I'm tired of the BC Liberals who seem to be hellbent on making their party members, corporations, and the rich even richer, at the expense of us peasants. And apparently quite a few other peasants also think so.

TL;DR, I voted because I agree with NDP values as much as I think Christy Clark is a cunt, and really wanted to see her out. If in a few years I come to regret my decision, I'll come back here and post a picture of my sock in my mouth.

Things gone up coz of infliction, drop of our dollar etc etc. But those thongs happen. You don't expect things to be same forever do you?

I experience how horrible a NDP gov is and with their campaign of reckless, tax corporation to death + Green party of driving all foreign investors away. All I can say is hold on to your money, save, actually try to work hard and work and hope you can weather the storm.

I am a greedy person I rather see more money in my pocket so I can decide if I want to spend it or save it. Giving my hard earn dollar to some drug addict to so he can keep on getting high. Yea no thanks. I believe Socialism doesn't work. It makes people lazy since you know they will get support anyways so why work. It leaves the hard working wondering why work so hard when I can be lazy and just rely on gov for support. It also drives business away as other cities have lower tax and they can make more money. Business is there to make money, business owners takes risk to make more money. If running a business is so easy we would all be business owners now.

[inv4zn]

Originally Posted by Mr.HappySilp

Things gone up coz of infliction, drop of our dollar etc etc. But those thongs happen. You don't expect things to be same forever do you?

I experience how horrible a NDP gov is and with their campaign of reckless, tax corporation to death + Green party of driving all foreign investors away. All I can say is hold on to your money, save, actually try to work hard and work and hope you can weather the storm.

I am a greedy person I rather see more money in my pocket so I can decide if I want to spend it or save it. Giving my hard earn dollar to some drug addict to so he can keep on getting high. Yea no thanks. I believe Socialism doesn't work. It makes people lazy since you know they will get support anyways so why work. It leaves the hard working wondering why work so hard when I can be lazy and just rely on gov for support. It also drives business away as other cities have lower tax and they can make more money. Business is there to make money, business owners takes risk to make more money. If running a business is so easy we would all be business owners now.

Thank you, I understand the concept of inflation. So raising shit that we all pay for is due to inflation and not corruption/mismanagement, but raising the minimum wage is socialism and free handouts? Which is it? I don't agree with burger flippers making $31K, but it's impossible to live on current minimum wage, because of inflation. That said, I too think $15/hr is stupid.

Also, thank you for reiterating that businesses are there to make money. It's as if I'd forgotten that fundamental concept for a second there. I don't even know what risk has to do with any of this.

Lastly, socialism kind of does work, when people aren't as greedy and shitty. Look at some of the more progressive governments across the pond. Sure they have their own problems but socialism isn't the end-all, when pulled off right. Do I think it'll work here? No, not at all.

One more thing - how fucking old are you? If I'm 29 and haven't lived through previous NDP years to feel any of it, then..are you like...40? Because if you are, it's a little less impressive that you saved up enough for a down payment and what not, because you had like 20 years to do it...which kinda contradicts all your salty talk. And if you're not 40...well then you're probably just lying about how you know firsthand how terrible NDP rule was. Just saying.

[GS8]

With the Liberals losing relevancy in this province, I'd love it if they went back to using their old party name.

Liberal is just so misleading. A lying party right from birth.

Meanwhile in NS:

Liberals score back-to-back majorities in Nova Scotia nail-biter - Nova Scotia - CBC News

Oh look, an actual Liberal party won. Whoda thunk dat?

[stewie]

Originally Posted by MrPhreak

Yeah, but life was much much worse under the NDP in the 90's

I kind of want to see how this nightmare NDP-Green alliance plays out in the eyes of the public. I think a lot of younger people in their 20's and early 30's were too young to realize the kind of real damage the NDP can do.

12 months of insane taxes, the disappearance of starter jobs due to a hiked minimum wage, heavy handed anti-business policies that result in huge layoffs and reduced wages... that will likely be enough for those who voted for the NDP to realize what they've done (one can hope anyway).

Then we can finally unite against them and get back to having one of the best provinces in the country.

People in their 20's and early 30's may not have lived first hand to remember or experience any of the fuck ups they did but they sure the fuck will remember being 20-30 right now and how liberals made home ownership nearly impossible and has shot down their dream of ever having the nice house with green grass and a white picket fence. Unless they move to butt fuck nowhere and give up their social life of going out with friends and seeing family. They've had a long time to take action on this sensitive topic for a good portion of time and it's a surprise that when there's only months to an election they introduce a tax to help cool down the RE market and look like saviors. Too little too late. Fuck them all.

I'm glad the NDP/Greens can take power. I'd rather test 4 years of new living and take the chance at a better lifestyle than spend another 4 years of corruption, lies, and games.

[quasi]

Originally Posted by stewie

People in their 20's and early 30's may not have lived first hand to remember or experience any of the fuck ups they did but they sure the fuck will remember being 20-30 right now and how liberals made home ownership nearly impossible and has shot down their dream of ever having the nice house with green grass and a white picket fence. Unless they move to butt fuck nowhere and give up their social life of going out with friends and seeing family. They've had a long time to take action on this sensitive topic for a good portion of time and it's a surprise that when there's only months to an election they introduce a tax to help cool down the RE market and look like saviors. Too little too late. Fuck them all.

I'm glad the NDP/Greens can take power. I'd rather test 4 years of new living and take the chance at a better lifestyle than spend another 4 years of corruption, lies, and games.

I can understand the change part but they all lie are corrupt and play games. The last Liberal Premiere convicted of DUI, the NDP Premier before him gave out a casino license to a known gangster in exchange for work on his house, they are all crooks as far as I'm concerned.

[MarkyMark]

Originally Posted by Mr.HappySilp

That's just me but there are others who came to Vancouver who are able to start from 0 to getting their own place. Maybe instead of working one full time job take another part time? Maybe volunteer to work on holidays to get holiday pay?

As I mention earlier the family that rents the basement most likely make less than 80k a year yet after 5 to 6 years the save enough to purchase a townhome with 3 kids. Yea the dad works 3 jobs at least and goes out collecting cans and bottles as well. Sometimes you have to do things you hate to get where you want to go. He doesn't have a choice. He got 3 kids and parents to take care of oversea. Is just sad when people complain about not being able to afford a place while going to into Starbucks getting a latte.

I am very lucky to have my parents' support. I always like to think how much people are willing sacrifice their lifestyle to save? Not too many I bet are willing to change. I see two side of the spectrum. I see friends who already purchase multi units working 7 days 2 to 3 jobs constantly. Sure they don't get to enjoy life now but when they retire or decided to sell they are going to be the one smiling. I also have friends who live pay cheque to pay cheque, going out for dinner every week, leasing cars that doesn't fit their income all for the glory on FB/Wechat, buying new clothes weekly but puts nothing into saving or RRSP. When shit hits the fan they are going to be one crying. I don't know I always feel like how or what you do/act now will affect your future and there is one to blame but yourself.

So working 3 jobs and collecting pop bottles on top of that is what is expected of people now. Of course this comes from someone who did none of that and got a free ride until he saved up what he needed to. Sorry but if 3 jobs and fighting off hobo's to collect cans is where the average person is at at afford a place now, then maybe we do need the NDP to fuck everything up and reset this shit show.

Homeowners who bought before shit went crazy love to boast about how much they sacrificed to get where they are, where in reality if they were trying to get in the market now they would be just as fucked as everyone else.

[MrPhreak]

Originally Posted by Traum

In Alberta, I don't think it is completely fair to blame the current sorry state all on the NDP government. Oil prices tanked before the NDP came onboard, and shxt was already hitting the fan.

I was waiting for that comment. It also tanked in 2001, and in 2008... actually I was working out there initially when oil was cheaper than it is now and the industry out there was flourishing. The difference was the government took action to encourage new investment. The main reason that it isn't doing well is because companies are afraid to invest with the NDP in power.

One good example of how they do this:
Alberta government to revisit tax assessments for oil and gas industry | Calgary Herald

Originally Posted by Jmac

Statistics Canada, the ultimate SJW libtard snowflake source.

During that 1992 NDP hellhole of an economy, clearly the result of an NDP borderline communism dictatorship, the Canadian national average for unemployment was 11.2% and only Saskatchewan (8.0%, NDP), Manitoba (9.3%, PC), and Alberta (9.5%, PC) had better unemployment rates that year.

Oh fuck, all of Canada was above that "still fucking horrible btw" 7.7% that year (with NDP-led governments having the lowest and 4th lowest unemployment rates in the country). Maybe the entire fucking country was in a recession? Who's the retard here?

As for people moving here, BC had the 4th highest population growth between 2011 and 2016 in Canada at 5.6%, lagging behind Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba.

As for Alberta, let's see. Shell announced over a year before the NDP got voted into power that they were pulling out of the oilsands as part of a $30B plan along with many of the other major players. The writing had been on the wall for years. But, clearly, all the NDP's fault that world economics and decades of putting all their eggs in one fucking basket resulted in mass layoffs.

Are you saying the entire country goes into a recession as a group, lol? You do realize that AB is in a recession right now, while BC is booming right?

I do find it amusing you are defending the NDP era as being some sort of prosperous period in BC when it was the exact opposite. The Business Council of B.C has confirmed many times that B.C. was last among 10 provinces in the average annual growth of business investment from 1991 to 2000. I have to ask, if we were doing so well, why did the NDP get voted down to 2 seats after only 2 terms? I mean the Liberals are on their 4th term, and they still technically have the popular vote over the NDP.

When we come to this time next year and unemployment has gone up by 30% or perhaps even more, are you going to blame it on the RE bubble finally popping, or at least acknowledge that the NDP/Green party induced it by pulling the legs out from virtually every industry in some sort of socialist orgy from hell?

They will undoubtedly kill LNG, all of the jobs (and revenue) associated with the pipeline, kill the last remaining logging industry on the coast by stopping raw log exports, kill the residential RE construction boom in Vancouver, kill a lot of jobs related to the coal industry, kill jobs in fish farming... it just goes on and on.

[Tapioca]

The 1990s were fine if you were a unionized worker with no aspirations to make more money than a middle class salary. If you had any ambition, you left the province because there was nothing for you here. My dad was a unionized worker and things were fine for us.

Tuition was frozen, but the universities were in shambles. We still had debates about housing (monster homes, Hong Kong immigrants), but you could still afford a modest detached home if you had a job. If the ambitious start leaving and people stop coming, maybe you'll be able to afford that detached house.

[Hondaracer]

Horgan and weaver on the radio just now - "Everyone thinks everything costs money"

That's about all you need to know.

They ran on a platform on shutting down Site C dam, yet they will allow operations to continue until they've done a "full assessment" on the project and contacted all parties concerned. So you're going to let months/years go by on a project that you may end up shutting down? Thats a good use of funds..

I honestly dont know how anyone who has actually listened to Horgan speak could have voted for him.. They constantly harp on the Hydro rates and Hydro's debt, yet no one acknowledges that this is how public works WORK, you go into debt in order to build infrastructure to future proof the system, otherwise you will be hit with hard with the bills once the infrastructure needs to be updated when it's already decades behind..

[Traum]

Originally Posted by MrPhreak

I was waiting for that comment. It also tanked in 2001, and in 2008... actually I was working out there initially when oil was cheaper than it is now and the industry out there was flourishing. The difference was the government took action to encourage new investment. The main reason that it isn't doing well is because companies are afraid to invest with the NDP in power.

One good example of how they do this:
Alberta government to revisit tax assessments for oil and gas industry | Calgary Herald

If you are using 2001 and 2008 as examples, I'd have to say the world as well as the oil economy looked quite a bit different back then. In 2001, the first Toyota Prius has only been out for a few years, and hardly anybody took hybrids seriously. 2008 is a little different. The Prius is well into its 2nd gen, and the car has well established itself -- along with the hybrid vehicle idea --
among environmentally conscious people. The general public have started taking notice and become accepting of running hybrids vehicles themselves.

Flash forward to 2015 when the Alberta NDP came into power. Auto manufacturers are all getting pinched to come up with highly fuel efficient vehicles in their next rounds of vehicle overhauls. The increasingly stringent fuel economy requirements simply cannot be met from any conceivable ICE design -- the writing is already on the wall for the good ol' ICE as we know it and the big established oil companies are re-aligning themselves in preparation for a new energy era. Is it a surprise that an oil-economy based Alberta finds itself in economic hardship in the midst of this tectonic shift?

Again, I am not saying the NDP is not to be blamed. Rather, I'm just saying you can't blame all the woes Alberta is facing on the NDP.

[MarkyMark]

Rumor has it if you go into your bathroom, turn the lights off and say "NDP" into the mirror three times, you'll lose your job.

[Hehe]

I'd take a different perspective as an NDP voter.

I'm a first gen immigrant that came to Canada at the turn of century, so, I'm just taking a blank page approach.

The way I see it between BC liberal and NDP... or any election for that matter is that you have to take a view at present value. NDP might have fucked up in the past, but it's not a representation that they are going to fuck up forever and vice versa for liberal.

Taking at current value, which is the beauty of democracy, is to see what party/candidate fits your vision for the next few years better. Just because someone has done well in the past is not a guarantee to do so in the future if he/she doesn't share your value. To further expand the "beauty of democracy" is to not blindly follow any person/party. If they are not doing it well, CHANGE them!

Politician needs votes to stay in power. If they know it doesn't matter how much they screw up, they would get vote, then most likely they wouldn't care much about screwing up.

I voted NDP only partially because their vision fits mine better, but because I honestly feel the Liberals has fuck'd up in the last few years. So, instead of continuing letting them try to not fuck anything else up, I'd vote someone else to try something different... not necessarily better... just different, because I knew how one particular approach went and it didn't work.

[SkunkWorks]

Exactly.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, while expecting different results.

[carisear]

Originally Posted by inv4zn

TL;DR, I voted because I agree with NDP values as much as I think Christy Clark is a cunt, and really wanted to see her out. If in a few years I come to regret my decision, I'll come back here and post a picture of my sock in my mouth.

And that's the beauty of our system -- not voting someone in, but having the ability to vote someone out.

for the record, i'm a very centre, right leaning fiscal kinda guy, but I also believe that 16 years of one party rule is too long. I was a big fan of Gordon Campbell, but not a fan of Christy Clark at all. I absolutely support people voting, or not voting when they have their own informed reason to.

I do disagree with a lot of your reasons though, as being a liberal/Christy issue. ie selling a natural resource is a nafta/federal issue, people being too cheap to pay a toll is a personal issue -- the province gave the people the choice to be cheap or not though, the HST was a 'good' tax for bc, but politics killed it.. but that was a Christy decision so I guess I agree with you on that one ...


BTW, the liberal party of BC is actually pretty damn liberal -- they aren't conservative like the far left would like you to believe. Fiscal policy they are right, but socially and environmentally they are waaaaay more left than many left leaning parties around the world. BC is just so skewed to the left that they appear more right wing than they actually are.

[inv4zn]

Originally Posted by carisear

And that's the beauty of our system -- not voting someone in, but having the ability to vote someone out.

for the record, i'm a very centre, right leaning fiscal kinda guy, but I also believe that 16 years of one party rule is too long. I was a big fan of Gordon Campbell, but not a fan of Christy Clark at all. I absolutely support people voting, or not voting when they have their own informed reason to.

I do disagree with a lot of your reasons though, as being a liberal/Christy issue. ie selling a natural resource is a nafta/federal issue, people being too cheap to pay a toll is a personal issue -- the province gave the people the choice to be cheap or not though, the HST was a 'good' tax for bc, but politics killed it.. but that was a Christy decision so I guess I agree with you on that one ...


BTW, the liberal party of BC is actually pretty damn liberal -- they aren't conservative like the far left would like you to believe. Fiscal policy they are right, but socially and environmentally they are waaaaay more left than many left leaning parties around the world. BC is just so skewed to the left that they appear more right wing than they actually are.

All I remember of Gordon Campbell is his DUI mugshot in Hawaii..lol.

I'd like to respectfully disagree with your disagreeing though. Sure, it might be unfair to place ALL the blame on clark/liberals, but they sure as hell had a hand in all of it.

Selling BC water is as much a BC issue as it is a NAFTA one, and could have been handled monumentally better. The bridge, MOTI had a big hand in that being the mess it is. Leaving cheapshits who'd rather waste 40 minutes than spend $3 out of the picture, how it was designed/awarded/built was not fiscally responsible in any sense. And the province didn't realllly give them a choice. The SFPR is a nice road, but they've conveniently left out exits at the places people really want to get to. HST failed because of lies and deceit.

And while I agree with you that on the political spectrum the liberals aren't as conservative, on the BC stage, they sure as hell are.

But alas, I digress - let's see what happens.

But fuck Christy Clark

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by inv4zn

Sure, assuming it's not some thinly veiled troll-post to draw out more bickering, I'll do my best. I voted NDP because they mostly align with my values, moreso than the liberals and the greens. Also I live in New West...which is always NDP lol.

Now, to be a little clearer, I'm going to be interchanging Clark, and Liberals freely - because to me they are one and the same. Her shenanigans are the ones of the BC Liberals, because well, they chose her to be lead. She was the premier.

Also, to directly answer your question, did Clark's actions directly affect me? No, probably not. As an example, her fucking up teacher's unions was after I graduated high school, so it didn't impact me directly. It probably impacted lots of parents who had to scramble for daycare, or teachers themselves, but not me directly.

But my point is this. Everything has gone up. ICBC rates have gone up, MSP premiums have gone up, BC Hydro bills have gone up, various taxes have gone up (gas tax, property tax, etc.). Traffic times have gone up because cheap-asses refuse to take the fuckup that is Golden Ears and Port Mann, and the Liberals are constantly crying about how there's no money for this, no money for that. So where the fuck did it all go.

The Liberals, in my mind, do not give a shit about the average citizen.

Yes, let's shut down Burrard Bridge to do some yoga, on tax payer's money, for publicity! Yes, let's sell government land to a liberal donor for far below appraised value! Yes, let's sell off BC water to a conglomerate corporation at pennies! Yes, let's spend millions of tax money on advertisements! Then there's the whole shitshow that was the HST, her "donations" from corporate buddies, and so much other controversy that I can't even remember now. They're constantly under fire for mismanagement of funds, from anything from chartering planes, to drawing out stupid lawsuits just driving up the costs.

And you know, you might be right. Given my demographic, maybe I am set to flourish under liberal policy, and new NDP/Green policies might fuck me. But I don't mind paying taxes as long as it's benefiting citizens, even if I'm not a direct beneficiary. I do mind when tax dollars are used for thinly and poorly veiled plans to enrich those who are already rich. And I'm tired of the BC Liberals who seem to be hellbent on making their party members, corporations, and the rich even richer, at the expense of us peasants. And apparently quite a few other peasants also think so.

TL;DR, I voted because I agree with NDP values as much as I think Christy Clark is a cunt, and really wanted to see her out. If in a few years I come to regret my decision, I'll come back here and post a picture of my sock in my mouth.

If you can formulate an opinion like this, i've got all the time in the world for discussion.

If you vote with the idea of "anyone but" you can fuck off as far as i'm concerned.

[MarkyMark]

How else do you create change though? In your perfect world everyone who hated the Liberals would just not vote, and the Liberals would keep getting voted back in. Maybe now the Liberals can go back to the drawing board and find out why so many people were pissed off.

[Hondaracer]

honestly, voting for the NDP because you dont like paying a bridge toll that saves 1-2 hours of your day is asinine imo.

All the platforms had flaws but outside of the "housing crisis" to me the greater good of the province stood with the liberals.

This election was nothing like that of the states where people were so down and out that they were having food stamps cut off and living in dumpsters so they might as well vote Trump. People didnt like paying taxes and fee increases for things which were virtually essential services. Highway upgrades, Hydro, Infastructure, etc. People like to cry about the lack of infrastructure upgrades and projects in the same breathe they speak about road closures/construction. Most of that is infrastructure.

Liberals handled it poorly and their last ditch attempt to hold onto power was too little too late, but i think for most, they didnt even know what they were voting for other than a change for the sake of change, and they heard their might be a bit more money in their pocket one way or another. Most didnt take the time to consider where that money would be coming from.

[Bouncing Bettys]

[MarkyMark]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

honestly, voting for the NDP because you dont like paying a bridge toll that saves 1-2 hours of your day is asinine imo.

All the platforms had flaws but outside of the "housing crisis" to me the greater good of the province stood with the liberals.

This election was nothing like that of the states where people were so down and out that they were having food stamps cut off and living in dumpsters so they might as well vote Trump. People didnt like paying taxes and fee increases for things which were virtually essential services. Highway upgrades, Hydro, Infastructure, etc. People like to cry about the lack of infrastructure upgrades and projects in the same breathe they speak about road closures/construction. Most of that is infrastructure.

Liberals handled it poorly and their last ditch attempt to hold onto power was too little too late, but i think for most, they didnt even know what they were voting for other than a change for the sake of change, and they heard their might be a bit more money in their pocket one way or another. Most didnt take the time to consider where that money would be coming from.

I can see why it's frustrating for you when someone votes that way because it affected you negatively. For them, life was shit with the Liberals, so what does it matter if it's shit with the NDP? In reality the people who had it great under the Liberals will probably be the ones with the most to lose from this, not them.

[inv4zn]

I think the best tl;dr for this situation is this.

People would rather get fucked by the new (old) guy telling them how they will probably be fucked, rather than verrrrry slowly get fucked for 17 years.

And if you don't feel like you've been fucked, well then that's a good thing for you. But just because you haven't been fucked, to downplay everyone else who (rightfully or wrongfully) feel as if they've been fucked, is pretty fucked up.

[GS8]

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