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[Hondaracer]

if the US implemented the exact same system of licensing and restrictions Canada has in every single state, these shootings would still happen at the same regularity.

[mr_chin]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

you cant just go buy guns in the states either..

In Canada, in order to buy guns that can take 15/25/50/100 round magazines easily attainable in the states, it takes 1 day over a weekend, usually under 7 hours. If you have a clean background, there will be zero issues.

If you want to buy restricted weapons, you need to take 1 additional day of training.

So you guys who are saying it's so simple to buy guns in the states, it's easier than ONE day of training with under 8 hours of total guidance? while i dont know the in's and outs of the american licensing system, i highly doubt its that much "easier" than Canadas.

In many states, you can just walk into a gun store and if you're over the legal age, you can purchase firearms.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_la...tates_by_state

Look at how many states doesn't require permit, registrations, and background checks. That is insane. No regulations in just these three categories is already out of hand.

For Canadians to get licensed and possess their first firearm, there is a legislation requirement of 28 days wait period, not including days required for approval. This can take up to 45 days in total.

Canada also have stronger regulations in terms of gun classifications. I don't want to explain all of it.

Please do research before posting false and vague information.

Bottom line is, why do you people think that without strict gun laws is better than non-strict gun laws? What benefits does the latter offer? Why are layers of security to purchase guns frowned upon, according to you guys?

[MarkyMark]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

if the US implemented the exact same system of licensing and restrictions Canada has in every single state, these shootings would still happen at the same regularity.

So you would feel just as safe if we just abolished our gun licensing rules and adopted the US system. You don't think that would change a single thing in the frequency of shootings whatsoever?

[mr_chin]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

if the US implemented the exact same system of licensing and restrictions Canada has in every single state, these shootings would still happen at the same regularity.

You don't know that. And based on your bias hypothesis, do you not attempt to try to implement more gun regulations?

That's like going into a hockey match, telling your team, "we're not gonna win". Do you just give up and not try?

Don't even bother responding to Hondaracer. This kid has no idea wtf he's talking about. Go educate yourself on Canadian gun law before posting.

[westopher]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

if the US implemented the exact same system of licensing and restrictions Canada has in every single state, these shootings would still happen at the same regularity.

You say that with a hilarious confidence, and I have no idea why you could possibly have that.
There is a possibility you would be right, but you honestly don’t have the slightest clue.

[MarkyMark]

The problem is there's no quick fix, gun control would take generations to really notice the full effect in America. In the meantime, any shooting that occurs after gun control would be immediately met with Republicans saying "see! see! it makes no difference, shootings still occur!!"

Basically unless you can stop every shooting in America the day after gun control comes into effect it would be considered a failure to gun lovers, and the laws would probably get changed back to the wild west shortly after.

[pastarocket]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

if the US implemented the exact same system of licensing and restrictions Canada has in every single state, these shootings would still happen at the same regularity.

This hypothesis will never ever be tested in the US with gun law reforms anyways.

Kids and teachers got shot and killed by the psycho at Sandy Hook Elementary school a few years ago.

What happened after that shooting? Absolutely nothing.

The assault weapons ban has not been been renewed since the ban ended in 2004 in the U.S.

If the spilling of blood from children isn't enough to make US politicians have a serious discussion about gun law reform in the US., nothing will change the status quo.

[MarkyMark]

Originally Posted by pastarocket

This hypothesis will never ever be tested in the US with gun law reforms anyways.

Kids and teachers got shot and killed by the psycho at Sandy Hook Elementary school a few years ago.

What happened after that shooting? Absolutely nothing.

The assault weapons ban has not been been renewed since the ban ended in 2004 in the U.S.

If the spilling of blood from children isn't enough to have US politicians have a serious discussion about gun law reform in the US., nothing will change the status quo.

The only way would be if rich people could somehow profit from gun control.

[pastarocket]

Originally Posted by MarkyMark

The only way would be if rich people could somehow profit from gun control.

I'm sure that there are quite a few wealthy Americans making plenty of money from guns either as retailers or manufacturers.


Retailers like Walmart might be making a 'killing" in selling firearms.

Excuse the pun.

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by mr_chin

In many states, you can just walk into a gun store and if you're over the legal age, you can purchase firearms.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_la...tates_by_state

Look at how many states doesn't require permit, registrations, and background checks. That is insane. No regulations in just these three categories is already out of hand.

For Canadians to get licensed and possess their first firearm, there is a legislation requirement of 28 days wait period, not including days required for approval. This can take up to 45 days in total.

Canada also have stronger regulations in terms of gun classifications. I don't want to explain all of it.

Please do research before posting false and vague information.

Bottom line is, why do you people think that without strict gun laws is better than non-strict gun laws? What benefits does the latter offer? Why are layers of security to purchase guns frowned upon, according to you guys?

My opinion is based upon the amount of guns, ammunition, and high capacity magazines already in circulation in the states.

Your waiting periods are somewhat incorrect as the turn around time to buy restricted guns or have them transferred into your name does require a grace period, however, buying a gun off a private individual, Craigslist, etc requires no waiting period and really no other proof of competency other than showing the seller your PAL, (which in some cases does not happen at all)

It’s obvious that loopholes where people can purchase firearms without any sort of previous training or testing should be required, and buying guns from shows etc with little to no checking has to be closed.

However, a lot of these shootings happen with individuals who either purchased these firearms completely legally, or stole them from legal owners.

Again, someone who is willing to bring dozens of firearms into a hotel room, bust out a window, and rain automatic fire down into a crowd isn’t going to be concerned with waiting periods or licensing. They will either gather their equipment illegally, or they will get everything completely legal, take the time to plan out their attack, and execute it. None of these major mass shootings happen just on a whim where they purchased a gun and started shooting the next day. Planning has taken place prior to all these incidents.

I’m also not arguing against doing anything, somthing obviously has to be done. I’m arguing against the effectiveness of any law the congress could possible push through that would have a legimate effect on the current state of America.

Personally I don’t give a fuck what happens, I didnt know any of the people killed, I don’t feel any sort of fake e-compassion for them. Wrong place at the wrong time in this fucked up world we live in. Too bad, carry on.

[westopher]

There’s nothing wrong with caring about what happens to people you don’t know, because you can be sure as shit, when it continues to happen, it will eventually affect you.
My wife knew one of the Canadians killed from when she was young. It’s not something that’s going to destroy our lives by any stretch of the imagination, but if that isn’t proof enough to us that it could have been any of us, I don’t know what is.
If you can truly say you don’t care about what happened because you don’t know someone, I don’t even know what to say. That’s pathetic.
Empathy is something that should be shown. It could have been a punk rock show in Vancouver.
It could have been a rock show in France.
It could be a pop show in England.

[CivicBlues]

Originally Posted by MarkyMark

The only way would be if rich people could somehow profit from gun control.

or maybe if they become victims of it?

It's strange how all these attacks at concerts. Manchester, Vegas the celebrity and their crews all get out unscathed.

But then again a Congresswoman was shot in the head and nothing was done.

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by westopher

There’s nothing wrong with caring about what happens to people you don’t know, because you can be sure as shit, when it continues to happen, it will eventually affect you.
My wife knew one of the Canadians killed from when she was young. It’s not something that’s going to destroy our lives by any stretch of the imagination, but if that isn’t proof enough to us that it could have been any of us, I don’t know what is.
If you can truly say you don’t care about what happened because you don’t know someone, I don’t even know what to say. That’s pathetic.
Empathy is something that should be shown. It could have been a punk rock show in Vancouver.
It could have been a rock show in France.
It could be a pop show in England.

When i see it happen, i think fuck.. what a world.. terrible situation, underlying problems with society, shouldnt of happened.

But i'm far from one to put a "pray for Vegas" tag on my facebook page, donate money, etc.

Fake empathy for social aspects is far worse than being indifferent to the situation imo

[westopher]

You don’t have to do that pretentious bullshit like a Vegas flag on your profile and post thoughts and prayers to just fucking care.
You can also do all that dumb shit and actually care. Just because someone wants to be a part of it (I sure never have) doesn’t mean they are faking it.
Some people like to play the victim, and some actually do care.
And LOL at donating money being “fake empathy”

[iwantaskyline]

Originally Posted by westopher

You don’t have to do that pretentious bullshit like a Vegas flag on your profile and post thoughts and prayers to just fucking care.
You can also do all that dumb shit and actually care. Just because someone wants to be a part of it (I sure never have) doesn’t mean they are faking it.
Some people like to play the victim, and some actually do care.
And LOL at donating money being “fake empathy”

I like how he wrote e-compassion in his post but all his posts are just low IQ e-toughness fake BS.

[Harvey Specter]

[Hondaracer]

If i was having this conversation in person id be saying the same thing, im not being E-tough or thinking i have some sort of anonymity in my opinion.

[!LittleDragon]

Won't lie, I made a few quick bucks off American Outdoor Brands as I often do after something like this.

[MSREE]

I'm pretty curious what protocol the US use for people with mental illness. Obviously the people who shoot up public places are fucked up in the head. I would like to see restrictions that require psychological profiles/intense assessments before even being able to touch a gun. Possibly could help lower instances like this. Nearly 1 in 5 Americans suffer from mental illness a year and about 50% of that goes untreated/undocumented. For example, Elliot Rodger, that kid could have spoken for 5 seconds and immediately anyone would have known that little shit shouldn't even be allowed in a store that sold guns.

Of course, I'm a bit of a conspiracy theorist in the sense that the government knows all this and already know what they can do about it... but don't do it because let's face it, it's population control. Of all the experts and highly paid officials that the government employs, what makes us think that they haven't had these exact conversations a long time ago? The planet is literally giving us signs of the end, and it can't tolerate a growing population for very much longer.

[iwantaskyline]

100% you wouldn't have the balls to say this word for word to a stranger or co-worker in real life. That's why I'm calling it your fake e-toughness. Trying to act all tough online, wow so cool!

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Personally I don’t give a fuck what happens, I didnt know any of the people killed, I don’t feel any sort of fake e-compassion for them. Wrong place at the wrong time in this fucked up world we live in. Too bad, carry on.

[Hondaracer]

lol perhaps i wouldn't be as blatant with my opinions, but i would however hold true that things wont change and laws will be relatively ineffective in invoking change.

If i was in a convo with friends/family/strangers i'd have no problem saying any of that, coming off like an emotionless asshole to people who dont really know me but i have to work with on a daily basis wouldnt be very tactful however.

I hate to sound like Manic, but do you care about the people in Yemen, the arabs fleeing Burma, gays being beaten to death in pakistan?

Those situations are killing hundreds, thousands, millions of people on a daily, weekly, monthly, basis, not just 59 people in an act perpetrated by a "one off" psychopath

it's one thing to say you care, it's another to actually give two shits about somthing 5 minutes after you say you do.

[iwantaskyline]

Originally Posted by MSREE

I'm pretty curious what protocol the US use for people with mental illness. Obviously the people who shoot up public places are fucked up in the head. I would like to see restrictions that require psychological profiles/intense assessments before even being able to touch a gun. Possibly could help lower instances like this. Nearly 1 in 5 Americans suffer from mental illness a year and about 50% of that goes untreated/undocumented. For example, Elliot Rodger, that kid could have spoken for 5 seconds and immediately anyone would have known that little shit shouldn't even be allowed in a store that sold guns.

Of course, I'm a bit of a conspiracy theorist in the sense that the government knows all this and already know what they can do about it... but don't do it because let's face it, it's population control. Of all the experts and highly paid officials that the government employs, what makes us think that they haven't had these exact conversations a long time ago? The planet is literally giving us signs of the end, and it can't tolerate a growing population for very much longer.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...mental-n727221

President Donald Trump quietly signed a bill into law Tuesday rolling back an Obama-era regulation that made it harder for people with mental illnesses to purchase a gun.

The rule, which was finalized in December, added people receiving Social Security checks for mental illnesses and people deemed unfit to handle their own financial affairs to the national background check database.

[mr_chin]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

My opinion is based upon the amount of guns, ammunition, and high capacity magazines already in circulation in the states.

Your waiting periods are somewhat incorrect as the turn around time to buy restricted guns or have them transferred into your name does require a grace period, however, buying a gun off a private individual, Craigslist, etc requires no waiting period and really no other proof of competency other than showing the seller your PAL, (which in some cases does not happen at all)

It’s obvious that loopholes where people can purchase firearms without any sort of previous training or testing should be required, and buying guns from shows etc with little to no checking has to be closed.

However, a lot of these shootings happen with individuals who either purchased these firearms completely legally, or stole them from legal owners.

Again, someone who is willing to bring dozens of firearms into a hotel room, bust out a window, and rain automatic fire down into a crowd isn’t going to be concerned with waiting periods or licensing. They will either gather their equipment illegally, or they will get everything completely legal, take the time to plan out their attack, and execute it. None of these major mass shootings happen just on a whim where they purchased a gun and started shooting the next day. Planning has taken place prior to all these incidents.

I’m also not arguing against doing anything, somthing obviously has to be done. I’m arguing against the effectiveness of any law the congress could possible push through that would have a legimate effect on the current state of America.

Personally I don’t give a fuck what happens, I didnt know any of the people killed, I don’t feel any sort of fake e-compassion for them. Wrong place at the wrong time in this fucked up world we live in. Too bad, carry on.

I mean, the information are there on the internet, yet you're blabbing bullshit outta your ass. Are you just so stubborn that you just can't admit that you're wrong? Lol.

1. Safety training: To be eligible to receive a PAL, all applicants must successfully complete the Canadian Firearms Safety Course[23] (CFSC) for a non-restricted licence, and the Canadian Restricted Firearms Safety Course[24] (CRFSC) for a restricted licence; the non-restricted class is a prerequisite to the restricted licence. Each province/territory's chief firearms officer publishes information on the locations and availability of these courses.[25]

2. Applying for a licence: Currently only one type of licence is available to new applicants, the possession-acquisition licence (PAL). People can request a PAL by filling out Form CAFC 921.[26]

3. Security screening: Background checks and reference interviews are performed. All applicants are screened, and a mandatory 28-day waiting period is imposed on first-time applicants, but final approval time may be longer.[27]

And then you go to talk about illegally buying firearms off Craigslist? Lol. Without a license, you're not legally allow to possess a firearm.

Without background check, a sex offender, a person charged of violence of any kind, thieves, etc. can just walk into a store and purchase a firearm. Don't tell me you think this is completely okay. And shootings where the firearm was stolen, don't you think these could have been prevented had there been a regulation that firearms must be concealed when stored?

This is what you're simply saying, "If they really wanted to, we cannot stop them, so why even bother trying to bring in any regulations and laws".

That is the most idiotic and closed minded thinking ever. Yes, there are way too many firearms being circulated in America at the moment that it's hard to make a change. But change starts somewhere and the sooner you start, the sooner you will see improvement.

I can think of ZERO reasons why there should be no regulations version a handful why there should be.

It's one thing not to care, and another to spill complete bullshit to make you sound like the "listen to me, I am right" guy.

[MSREE]

Originally Posted by iwantaskyline

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...mental-n727221

Pretty sad for that to really work to make somewhat of a difference, US would have to make mental illness assessments mandatory/free and roll out huge mental awareness campaigns. Not sure how medical works in the US, but people won't look for help when it's hard for them to acquire financially or they don't have knowledge readily available. For them to be able to do that, there would have to be an influx of doctors/psych nurses who would have the time, space and funding to do this. They'd need to have highly trained professionals doing the assessments and signing off because real psychopaths can have a deadly high IQ and would probably know how to manipulate the system. Ideally, a tier system where you would have to have more assessments to acquire bigger/more dangerous weapons. Also, a public registry that would be closely monitored by the FBI.

I can already see this costing the gov't billions of dollars....... and why would they do it if the population is controlling itself by them doing the absolute bare minimum?

[iwantaskyline]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

lol perhaps i wouldn't be as blatant with my opinions, but i would however hold true that things wont change and laws will be relatively ineffective in invoking change.

If i was in a convo with friends/family/strangers i'd have no problem saying any of that, coming off like an emotionless asshole to people who dont really know me but i have to work with on a daily basis wouldnt be very tactful however.

I hate to sound like Manic, but do you care about the people in Yemen, the arabs fleeing Burma, gays being beaten to death in pakistan?

Those situations are killing hundreds, thousands, millions of people on a daily, weekly, monthly, basis, not just 59 people in an act perpetrated by a "one off" psychopath

it's one thing to say you care, it's another to actually give two shits about somthing 5 minutes after you say you do.

I think they're all equally shitty. I thought about the Vegas event a bit more since it's so close and I've been to Vegas many times, unlike Yemen for example. Does the Vegas event or the casualties of the Yemen war affect my daily life? No.

You don't need to act upon every feeling empathy you have. Just because these events don't affect my daily life after I hear about them doesn't mean my moment of compassion was "fake". What kind of stupid logic is that.

Even if I felt zero compassion or empathy I wouldn't feel the need to go into a thread discussing the event and voice how much "I do not care".