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Did they confirm that his AR rifles were 7.62?
I ask, because most AR rifles are 5.56 calibre. It's a NATO sized round which was actually designed to work with the AR15 rifles, along with a lot of other guns too. I've shot a ton of 5.56 out of a number of different firearms. I've shot with friends who have TAVORs, ARs, ACRs, bullpups, and even had the chance to shoot with a local PD tactical sniper who used a suppressed AR in 5.56 calibre. Pretty much every type of ammunition on the market, including chinese military rounds (which were terrible btw...). The bottom line is that the sound a 5.56 makes will vary based on load size, projectile size, projectile type, barrel length, and shooting area.
Youre right, it probably is that size and actually in the 'acoustic analysis' video, the chart/calculations that were made is for the .223 Remington\5.56 caliber bullet.
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I wouldn't be surprised to hear about a second shooter, just like I wouldn't be surprised if it was confirmed that a single shooter did so much damage.
As for the shooting victim, entry wounds are typically small. It's the exit wound that is a mess, as the projectile splinters in the victim's body, and forces it's way out the other end.
Even simple surveillance of Paddock bringing his bags of guns in shouldnt be kept secretive as there is no reason to not show this. This would atleast let us somewhat know he wasnt a patsy and had some kind of intention.
It'll be like the kept footage of the plane hitting the Pentagon on 911 all over again.
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Don't make me get in to bullet damage with you again, you moron. With no exit wound that's clearly a ricochet or shrapnel fragment injury. I mean they treated it with a bandaid FFS.
I said supposed bullet hole but also the guy said it hit his pelvis so that could explain no exit wound if it was from a small round.
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Guy was probably dual wielding. There IS video of overlapping fire from weapons with different pitches. What is curious though is that they've claimed the guy had cameras in the room to record his own massacre, but they didn't see on those recordings when he fired through the door of his room and when he shot himself? The whole thing is just bizarre.
If the police claim the shooter only had large caliber bullets and the amateur acoustic analysis being correct... then there must be another source of shots. I wouldnt even exclude the thought of some kind of helicopter drone.
I think you've been playing too many FPS games or have been watching too many Hollywood movies.
that'd be nice
only logged a few hours in R6 Siege
also haven't sat down to watch movies in probably 6 months
honestly though...was it poor reporting or were they clearing floor-by-floor?
not saying they should go gun-blazing into his room without a plan but there's surely a sense of urgency to expedite even if they're taking a worst-case scenario approach.
the real question is.....he had his own cameras set-up and even one recording himself....why?
Well he was planning to escape. Maybe making a scrapbook?
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I wouldnt even exclude the thought of some kind of helicopter drone.
I never even considered this. Not necessarily for the Vegas shooting, but as a general tool for terrorists to wreak havoc.
Geezus man, that would be terrifying if a group was able to get their hands on a half dozen militarized drones. There are some brilliant people out there who could easily convert existing technology into something nefarious.
After recent updates and further evidence released it appears as though he didn't intend to die in that room. The explosives in his car that weren't hooked up to a trigger, the body armor, and his attempt at a diversion (shooting the fuel tanks) suggest that possibly he was hoping to walk out of that room and leave the hotel if the tanks went boom and caused a big enough distraction. Perhaps the camera's were there to show the Police exactly who did it. If he planned further harm to people he could have been planning to drive the car somewhere to inflict more casualties and blowing himself and the car up. The videos would demonstrate a lone gunman at work with legal rifles. I'm curious if there is any narrative from him or if it's just recording his actions.
This is speaking more and more to me of a person who was trying to establish some form of discussion on Gun Control. Why do it this way though? As a lone person you have absolutely NO VOICE. As a "crazy" gunman you rally the people.
I never even considered this. Not necessarily for the Vegas shooting, but as a general tool for terrorists to wreak havoc.
Geezus man, that would be terrifying if a group was able to get their hands on a half dozen militarized drones. There are some brilliant people out there who could easily convert existing technology into something nefarious.
If the police claim the shooter only had large caliber bullets and the amateur acoustic analysis being correct... then there must be another source of shots. I wouldnt even exclude the thought of some kind of helicopter drone.
The police and media love to label everything, so take their choice of adjectives with a grain of salt. Look into muzzle breaks, their effects on sound, the thousands of options, and then realize you cannot conclude anything from an amateur video without better reference data.
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that'd be nice
only logged a few hours in R6 Siege
also haven't sat down to watch movies in probably 6 months
honestly though...was it poor reporting or were they clearing floor-by-floor?
not saying they should go gun-blazing into his room without a plan but there's surely a sense of urgency to expedite even if they're taking a worst-case scenario approach.
Maybe they did have to go floor by floor, but then these are trained people and even though it may not seem efficient to you or I, they've definitely got a reason to do so to make sure that there isn't anything else going on on the different floors.
It's tough to say in situations like this because there are so many people outside of the hotel AND on the inside panicking.
dept of homeland security are already anticipating an attack from UAV
I'm glad they're in charge and not me.
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Not super hard to diy if you know a bit about electronics.
Exactly!
I'm no electronics guru, but even I could rig up a servo to control a firing mechanism on a multi channel radio. Hell, we used to do it to activate lights on our RC cars back in the day.
The more I think about it, the more genuinely surprised I am that this hasn't been done already.
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Look into muzzle brakes, their effects on sound, the thousands of options
I was so pleased when I started playing with muzzle brakes. The effect a simple break has on sound and flash is quite big. And as you said, you have so many options. I want all of my barrels to be threaded now, just so I can play with the different brakes.
Every one of these options is going to have it's own sound and flash profile.
I'm no electronics guru, but even I could rig up a servo to control a firing mechanism on a multi channel radio. Hell, we used to do it to activate lights on our RC cars back in the day.
The more I think about it, the more genuinely surprised I am that this hasn't been done already.
The technology has been around for decades, although the ability to get a live feed back from the device has gotten much easier in recent years. I think the main problem would be the measely weight capacity, most RC helicopters can only carry the weight of a small camera. You could attach a small gun or explosive but that would only be effective against a couple people. You could probably get the components to build a larger RC but I have a feeling buying that stuff would in the US get a few three letter agencies at your door fairly quickly.
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OH thank god. I thought u had sex with my wife. :cry:
The technology has been around for decades, although the ability to get a live feed back from the device has gotten much easier in recent years. I think the main problem would be the measely weight capacity, most RC helicopters can only carry the weight of a small camera. You could attach a small gun or explosive but that would only be effective against a couple people. You could probably get the components to build a larger RC but I have a feeling buying that stuff would in the US get a few three letter agencies at your door fairly quickly.
Don't need livefeed when it's so easy to get a robot to recognize faces and heat via sensors now. Throw it on the back of a car with a real gun and it could be terrifying. Technology can be scary, Elon Musk is right about the threat of "AI" to humans if used improperly.
Guy is a pilot with his own aircraft if he was going to kamikaze solo mission he'd have ten times the kill count just by crash landing the thing at peak crowd time.
He was part of a team that was supposed to join in on the massacre but they had second thoughts and warned people they were going to all die instead and got cold feet.
Guy is a pilot with his own aircraft if he was going to kamikaze solo mission he'd have ten times the kill count just by crash landing the thing at peak crowd time.
He was part of a team that was supposed to join in on the massacre but they had second thoughts and warned people they were going to all die instead and got cold feet.
Don't think so.
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they didn't even release the footage of anyone carrying duffel bags in,who knows how many days he stayed in the hotel together...
hell,he could've spent an entire day putting weapons together like lego out of a suit case
it wouldn't be hard to backpack that much ammo either when you got good back support and huge carrying space.
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