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the 28 day waiting period is to get your licence, not to buy a gun.
Buying non-restricted firearms is done with a handshake, there is no paper trail as to purchasing firearms privately. The seller of the firearm has an obligation to check the purchasers PAL upon selling a firearm, however, my experiences in the past, that does not always happen.
never said i'm the right guy, im only expressing my opinion on the matter.
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If what you're saying is true then that number can be dramatically reduced if Canadians had the same rate of gun ownership as the US and we were all allowed to open carry.
Or could it be so low because there are a lot less guns and they're hard to get?
If I remember right we have more guns per capita, however the ratio of hand guns to long guns is very different. Canada also only allows an extremely small number of people to carry, and when not in use guns must actually be stored safely. There are also more restrictions on the guns themselves (although strangely there are some guns that you can buy here but not in the US).
Then there's the actual licensing. It's relatively straightforward, but if you say the wrong thing during the course or on any of your paperwork, or one of your references does, you won't get approved. If you do get approved it takes a while to get your actual license and be able to buy things. After all that, if you do or say something stupid you can lose your license and all your firearms.
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However, a lot of these shootings happen with individuals who either purchased these firearms completely legally, or stole them from legal owners.
Could that not in part be due to how cheaply and easily they can be acquired legally, or how easily they can be stolen because of the lack of safe storage?
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Again, someone who is willing to bring dozens of firearms into a hotel room, bust out a window, and rain automatic fire down into a crowd isn’t going to be concerned with waiting periods or licensing. They will either gather their equipment illegally, or they will get everything completely legal, take the time to plan out their attack, and execute it. None of these major mass shootings happen just on a whim where they purchased a gun and started shooting the next day. Planning has taken place prior to all these incidents.
True, but the harder it is to do the more likely they are to make a mistake or fail to acquire what they're looking for. I'm sure someone with the right connections could get a gun like that in Canada, but it will be very difficult and very expensive. Not to mention probably very dangerous considering the kinds of people you'd be getting something like that from.
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reading this thread is like waiting for goku to charge up a spirit bomb in dragon ball z
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You truly are an idiot. Firearms can be smuggled from state to state very easily. Just because one state has higher regulations plus more mass shootings, doesn't mean that gun control laws isn't effective.
And do you have facts that in those "mass shootings" that you claim, are the guns purchased in the same state?
The stats are bias and so many factors can and can't be considered if gun control law is working or not. Are the firearm purchased legally? Are they registered by the shooter? If not, how were they obtained? Did the shooter steal it? Were they purchased in the same state the shooting. In states where open carry is allowed, a child can steal a gun from their parents easily. Whereas, in states where firearms must be concealed at all times, the likelihood of it being stolen is lower. I don't think I have explain simple 1+1 mathematics to you.
You constantly keep defending why gun control law won't help. Why don't you tell us why lighter or no gun control will help, or is better?
And here is how these tragedies happen - in the face of facts not meeting your opinion, it is now okay to berate/hurt others immediately and continue to argue belief as truth. Ignorance is bliss. You used words, the other freak used a firearm - but the issue is a social issue through and through illustrated over and over again here and throughout North America; encouraged by MSM and social media.
Can you guys start a different thread to debate gun laws? One that you can keep posting the same arguements one way or another in whenever something like this happens.
I come home from work and check these threads as they are like an aggregate of the news of the day, and by about page 6 they always turn into pages and pages of people force sharing their more correct opinions at each other.
A: If you reduce the access to guns, there'd be less shootings
B: People who want to kill will find ways to obtain the guns
A: But those people will have a harder time getting a gun, even if it's just a little bit
B: Yea, but they'll find a way, cause that's what they want to do
A: But it'll reduce shootings
B: But they'll find a way to do it
A: Fuck you
B: No, fuck you
Do you know what’s involved? I’d hardly call it “hard” at all. It’s 10 hours over a weekend and you can buy any AR you want, as much ammo as you want etc.
The only difference is how readily available high capacity magazines are. While restricted firearms are just that, restricted, that only means you can only legally transport from your home to a range. It’s not the law stopping someone from opening fire in a mall or concert etc.
you are right, its not super hard. Yet all it took is this simple step to greatly reduce the amount of gun per capita in the countries, reduce our gun death rate.
You think this process is simple because you speak perfect english and is determined enough to go thru all this process. Having these simple hoop already discourage BIG portion of the public from even trying. As evidence by Canadian in this thread that thinks its difficult.
You are right, they don't try! And you are saying these testing doesn't deter gun ownership?
As oppose to walking in the Walmart showing a piece of ID, pass a criminal check, point at a gun and walk to the register.
You get a lot of people that have no business owning a gun, owning gun. Because they can and because its easy.
1 $3000 AR can shoot THOUSANDS of rounds without jamming or needing a cleaning. You have a pile of high capacity magazines and all you need is 1 gun.
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not to throw fuel on the conspiracy fire but...
This got me thinking as well, what did the shooter need with "23 guns" ? Most of the guns in the room look like similar AR's. If your goal is to get out as many rounds as possible why change out weapons and reset your firing position when you can just change out high capacity magazines.
Can you guys start a different thread to debate gun laws? One that you can keep posting the same arguements one way or another in whenever something like this happens.
I come home from work and check these threads as they are like an aggregate of the news of the day, and by about page 6 they always turn into pages and pages of people force sharing their more correct opinions at each other.
Or perhaps you could just go to an actual site with the news? It's not like you need to be refreshing 50 sites to get the complete information... in this day and age every story is virtually identical since information moves so quickly.
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Am I the only one who was interested in the story itself and find this gun control debate boring? Its the same arguments every time and little changes.
This got me thinking as well, what did the shooter need with "23 guns" ? Most of the guns in the room look like similar AR's. If your goal is to get out as many rounds as possible why change out weapons and reset your firing position when you can just change out high capacity magazines.
I'm just very curious about the how's and why's.
Because guns overheat, and they heat up fast if you're trying to fire as many rounds as possible in a short time. They heat up to the point where you cannot hold it anymore.
Barrels heat up and bend but not like it matters when you’re just raining bullets from a 30th floor. I’d say the guy was just nuts and brought as many guns as he could get to the hotel with him. The amount of weaponry he had seems to be a point of conspiracy in FB comments etc due to the question raised here.
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Less guns please. Us Chinese Canadians needs to learn how to use 4 way stops first.
BAHAHAHA!!
God don't get me started on yield signs.
*Sigh. Good lulz... Every death encompassed thread needs a few.
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This got me thinking as well, what did the shooter need with "23 guns" ? Most of the guns in the room look like similar AR's. If your goal is to get out as many rounds as possible why change out weapons and reset your firing position when you can just change out high capacity magazines.
I'm just very curious about the how's and why's.
high capacity AR's overheat, jam, etc. you need a lot of military or gun experience to handle a single AR and fire constantly without issue. given that he had no military background, this would've been the most reliable way to ensure he didn't run into any hiccups, i'd assume. i've kind of got my tin foil hat on for this one too though, a couple things don't add up. but as Bouncing Betty mentioned, i'm mainly checking this thread for the content of the story. the gun control debate will go on, and rest assured nothing (if something does, it'll be small) will change.
i'm curious what an autopsy will yield, was reading a story from a vegas news source about the gunman having received a prescription for Valium a few months prior to the shooting. apparently valium is a popular drug for people who shoot, as it calms your nerves while shooting. apparently it's also got a jekyll and hyde effect on the user though. could also be something like Charles Whitman, where he shot and killed his mom + wife, then climbed up to a tower and shoots another 50 or so people, killing 17 - an autopsy concluded he had a brain tumor, which, while without 100% clarity, could have possibly contributed to his "sudden change of behaviour" between being a very normal person day to day, to killing family and random strangers.
further, whitman was also prescribed valium, a year before he carried out the shooting in 1966
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So what's the deal with the "girlfriend". She was in the Philipines, and then she got sent back to the US, or was that voluntary?
she said through her lawyer it was voluntary, as a show of cooperation with the investigation, and will continue to cooperate. really don't think she's involved in this in any way. may possibly have gotten a hint, but her alibi seems pretty airtight
Barrels heat up and bend but not like it matters when you’re just raining bullets from a 30th floor. I’d say the guy was just nuts and brought as many guns as he could get to the hotel with him. The amount of weaponry he had seems to be a point of conspiracy in FB comments etc due to the question raised here.
LOL. Can you please stop talking out of your ass? You're seriously clueless.
Since you probably don't read much, I'll link you a video to improve your knowledge.
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Actually it's pretty easy to get a deregistered gun and for cheap too. Literally $300 for a scratched off serial number handgun. Obviously I won't delve into specifics here but let's just say there are unregulated lands not patrolled by police that will sell anything. That's how most gangs get their guns.
Plus, it's pretty easy to get a gun "legally". I just bought one online with 1000 rounds of ammo and shipped to me by Canada Post. When I bought my Remington 700, the guy didn't even check my PAL and he was a CBSA officer.
Man I'm really curious about what that note said. Apparently it wasn't a suicide note.
Republicans talking about outlawing bump stocks..
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i wonder how many people he coulda killed if he had a home made silencer, and started to just shoot people one at a time, in different areas of the concert.
and only start to spray when the masses started to realise what was happening.
Interesting video. I would like to see a laser thermometer on various parts of the gun while doing this. Also those were low cap clips correct? With high cap mags I would guess it would get even hotter faster. I never actually knew how hot the guns get. Makes sense why he would have so many.
I also thought about silencer options. The old oil filter trick would have worked in this situation and allowed him a lot more time on the guns.
I read an interesting article about this yesterday regarding the Democrats moving to ban bump stock devices.
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WASHINGTON — Days after a dozen modified rapid-fire guns were found in the Las Vegas gunman's hotel room, Democrats introduced a bill on Wednesday to ban such changes to weapons — and dared Republicans to ignore it.
Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California, the top Democrat on the Senate Judiciary Committee, said her legislation would bar the sale, manufacture and possession of so-called bump stocks and other devices — all currently legal — that drastically increase a firearm’s rate of fire.
"The only reason to modify a gun like this is to kill as many people as possible in as short of a time as possible," Feinstein said of the devices found in the hotel room of Stephen Paddock, the shooter in Sunday’s massacre at a country music concert — one that Feinstein said her daughter had planned to attend but skipped.
I wouldn't be surprised to hear that there was a second shooter. I've shot with others in canyons before, so I know what echoes sound like. But I heard two distinct firing patterns in the videos. Sure, he could be dual wielding as he was firing into a veritable barrel of fish. But how likely is that, considering he was pretty damn far away.
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The old oil filter trick would have worked in this situation and allowed him a lot more time on the guns.
The oil filters aren't made to take the pressure and heat from multiple rounds. Honestly man, it would have been far deadlier if he had a suppressor. But suppressors are also not really meant for prolonged full auto fire. I really believe that he was going for reliability. The piece of shit wanted to kill as many as he could in the time he felt he had.
I also read that the only reason the police found him was because the smoke alarms were going off in his room due to all the flash smoke.
The police were zeroing in on the noise. There is a video with all the police calls and radio chatter going around. You can hear a cop saying what floor he was on as he could hear him.
This also goes against the 4th floor shooter as they would have heard this as they were ascending the stairways. As for the echoes you have to understand the amount of buildings around there. Plus the bullets hitting. Sound waves get altered once they rebound. They also cancel each other out when they pass each other again. So an echo on a echo will affect the overall sound. If one had the software you could isolate each time the guns shot and cross reference them with the echo's.
Ballistic reports will also show if all the people killed came from guns in that room or if there were other guns in play. I doubt those reports will ever become public and then we have to believe them if they do release them.
I understand why people originally thought there was a shooter on the 4th when the video of the flashing lights appeared but I think it's quite obvious after the fact that it was a light of some sort, either reflection from outside or a strobe (possibility emergency light) inside.
The only way there was a 4th floor shooter is if he brought a scissor lift and glazing to match the glass he would have needed to shoot out (windows don't open) and then repaired it under the cover of darkness well the place was crawling with cops and nobody seeing them could this make any sense.
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