Canadian politics thread

[Hehe]

Originally Posted by supafamous

So far Carney's been better at politics than I expected and not as good at governing as I expected - his poll numbers reflect an electorate that's happy with what he's doing and he's largely sidelined the Conservative talking points by either co-opting some of their policies or just not playing ball on the fake outrage that they've tried to generate. PP is firing blanks right now - he's practically invisible and has nothing to talk about - if he's going to stay leader he's gotta find a talk track that makes the Cons relevant.

His reception amongst world leaders has been very warm and he navigated stuff like how there wasn't a coordinated G7 communique out of the summit pretty well - basically he's avoided leaving stuff on the table for the media to talk about (like when Gregor Robertson put his foot in his mouth about not wanting housing prices to drop - Carney handled it with his own response and the media dropped it almost immediately when it could have been a story).

On the governing side I think he's not been delegating enough to his cabinet but it might be the case that he doesn't trust them yet and he'd rather just do it himself or keep it to the PMO. The result is that some stuff seems to be moving a bit slower than expected and there aren't as many cabinet members that have been visible and selling the message of the govt (the poll numbers say it doesn't matter right now).

Seriously. libtards just keep finding excuse to justify for his actions, which to be totally frank, is lacking any sort of planning whatsoever.

You say Trump is TACO or whatever, from what I can see, Carney is nothing but CACO. He just always goes toward the option with least resistance as long as he can spin it.

He couldn't agree to any of Trump's stuff because you know, elbows up and whatnot. So, hey... EU is saying that we should boost our defence budget to 5% of GDP, let's do that. Isn't that what Trump was asking to begin with?

DST was on track... no plan to do anything about it. Oh no... Bad orange man is mad at DST now, let's scrap that!

If he had ANY plan whatsoever, why not just bring these 2 things to the bargaining table with US?! "Hey Orange man, you want a deal? We will boost our defence expense to 5% and cancel DST while at it... what can you give us?"

Instead? Now you agreed to 5% on defence expense, and scrapped the DST... all while being back to square one on the bargaining table.

I mean, I'm not an incredible negotiator or whatever, but Carney just gave away 2 huge bargaining chips for what?! FUCKING NOTHING other than US agreeing to come back to the table.

[VRYALT3R3D]

Originally Posted by Hehe

Seriously. libtards just keep finding excuse to justify for his actions, which to be totally frank, is lacking any sort of planning whatsoever.

They are just gaslighting themselves.

[underscore]

So does this mean some of you think Trudeaus tax idea was a good one?

Originally Posted by Eff-1

small businesses who advertise on those platforms would be stuck with those advertising rates increasing. I am glad they scrapped it.

Do small businesses actually advertise on those platforms? I do a fair bit to block ads but when I do see them it's never for a small local business, it's always big foreign companies.

[Eff-1]

Originally Posted by underscore

Do small businesses actually advertise on those platforms? I do a fair bit to block ads but when I do see them it's never for a small local business, it's always big foreign companies.

For sure. Facebook, Instagram, Google, are all commonly used by SMEs.

[Eff-1]

Originally Posted by Hehe

If he had ANY plan whatsoever, why not just bring these 2 things to the bargaining table with US?! "Hey Orange man, you want a deal? We will boost our defence expense to 5% and cancel DST while at it... what can you give us?"

Instead? Now you agreed to 5% on defence expense, and scrapped the DST... all while being back to square one on the bargaining table.

Because Trump walked away from the bargaining table to begin with.

Trump needs to be handled with white gloves. Butter him up now, and then reap the benefits later.

My take is Carney is conceding something now that is less important to Canada in the grand scheme of things (DST), get the trade talks going again, then use DST as goodwill to negotiate matters of much larger importance to our country. Softwood, dairy, steel and aluminum, etc.

[Hehe]

Originally Posted by Eff-1

Because Trump walked away from the bargaining table to begin with.

Trump needs to be handled with white gloves. Butter him up now, and then reap the benefits later.

My take is Carney is conceding something now that is less important to Canada in the grand scheme of things (DST), get the trade talks going again, then use DST as goodwill to negotiate matters of much larger importance to our country. Softwood, dairy, steel and aluminum, etc.

Still doesn't change my original post. These were all bargaining chips that could have been used. Now they are gone and what did we get? Back to bargaining table?

They should be on the table when negotiation was still ongoing. So much for elbows up and just ended up agreeing to what Trump has asked for while getting nothing in return.

This never ends up well. Reminds me of a property my parents bought a while back in 2009. We offered them 60% of their asking as it was prime CRE in Midtown Atlanta. They didn't budge, we moved on.
Coming back to us 2month later as they couldn't find a better offer and the seller was a month away from insolvency. Asked us to re-submit the 60% asking. My parents just offered them 30% as we got other deals and it was no longer that interested at 60% as everyone was killing to make deals. Had the audacity to insult my parents that they were exploiting their situation.

I'm like... Too bad you didn't take the offer 2 month back and we are the one with cash. Take it or GTFO, or at least have the decency to keep it professional. Ended up signing the contract that very day.

Tl;dr: don't always think you can get the best deal. Sometimes you need to make the deal while you still can.

[CivicBlues]

How do you even know what is going on during negotiations ? How about we all just fucking hold judgement until a deal is made? or talks fail and we go back to tarrifing the fuck over each other.

I will be willing to concede whether or not Carney fucked up if and when he does but the rest of you calling each people names like libtards, morons etc. are as fucking mature as Cheeto Taco.

[Hehe]

Originally Posted by CivicBlues

How do you even know what is going on during negotiations ? How about we all just fucking hold judgement until a deal is made? or talks fail and we go back to tarrifing the fuck over each other.

I will be willing to concede whether or not Carney fucked up if and when he does but the rest of you calling each people names like libtards, morons etc. are as fucking mature as Cheeto Taco.

I edited my post. Read from my previous post.

We know how cheeto is. The earlier the deal, the better the terms as he's looking for that "showpiece". Any later deals would just become harder and harder.

We are an exporting economy and import a lot from the US as basic necessities. We don't really have the luxury of dragging this for too long.

Yes, we might hurt the US a bit if we go full on trade war. But that would require to nearly choke our economy to death.

[CivicBlues]

How do you make a deal with someone who's basically a toddler that deals in bad faith? Any deal we make will not even be worth the paper it's printed on.

[supafamous]

Originally Posted by Hehe

I edited my post. Read from my previous post.

We know how cheeto is. The earlier the deal, the better the terms as he's looking for that "showpiece". Any later deals would just become harder and harder.

Trump promised that he'd do 90 new deals in 90 days and we're now at day 81 and how many deals has he made? ZERO.

The one he did with China was only a rollback to a lower tariff level in exchange for China allowing the US to buy rare minerals - that was a victory for China, not for the US.

We know Cheeto doesn't actually know how to do deals and we know that he consistently backs down across the board once the pain gets too close to him. He briefly dialled back immigration enforcement at hotels and farms b/c his billionaire friends got him on the phone but a day later his head Nazi blew that up once he got in front of Trump. The same happened with the original tariffs - they were paused by Lutnick and Bessent because they hit up Trump while Navarro wasn't around. Whoever talks last to Trump is whatever Trump believes in - the DST wasn't a thing till it was a thing and it'll not be a thing in a couple weeks.

He's not unpredictable because he's smart, he's unpredictable because he's dumb and easily influenced.

Originally Posted by Hehe

We are an exporting economy and import a lot from the US as basic necessities. We don't really have the luxury of dragging this for too long.

Yes, we might hurt the US a bit if we go full on trade war. But that would require to nearly choke our economy to death.

The analysis done by the BOC and others don't support your claim, for example:

In our base case scenario, we estimate an average 10% across the board tariff on Canadian goods by the U.S. with commensurate retaliation from Canada.

If this scenario materializes, we expect 2025 GDP for Canada to be reduced by 50 bps, from 1.8% to 1.3%.

https://www.vanguard.ca/en/insights/...-and-investors

It would absolutely suck if we entered into a full on trade war and it would hurt us more than it would hurt the US but it's not as you described.

[Hondaracer]

https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2025/0...spending-cuts/

C.D. Howe says it expects deficit growth to slow after that but predicts deficits will still average around $78 billion annually over four years, more than double the level forecast by the parliamentary budget officer before the spring federal election.

You’d be getting to cuts in the neighbourhood of 24 per cent of operational expenditures. Most of that would be on personnel,” MacDonald explained.

That level of fiscal slashing is higher than the cuts under the Stephen Harper-led government. MacDonald says people will notice the impacts, especially when trying to address issues with taxes or Old Age Security payments.

“The Harper cuts of the early 2010s were five to 10 per cent. The Martin cuts of the mid-1990s were 18.9 per cent,” he explained.

Meanwhile, in a new report, the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives says cuts to the public service may be deeper than the government is letting on.

https://www.policyalternatives.ca/ne...d-budget-cuts/

“At least we’re not the other guy” or whatever it is you guys want to say?

Driving home from the airport last night I saw more homeless people in a 16 kilometre, 20 minute drive than I did over a month in 5 countries.

After seeing how those countries operate, I can completely get on board with the notion that higher taxes provide better outcomes, WHEN utilized effectively. As I’ve always said. If you can fix things, do it.

I can also agree that it’s a bit asinine for these brain dead conservative types that complain about how services, infrastructure, social aspects are so bad, yet then want lower to no taxes, which again, I think places like Texas, Florida, etc. highlight how that isn’t possible.

Scandinavian countries are a model for this. We as as society are so much worse off for the state we are in imo. Every country we went to had better transit, generally better infrastructure, and even things like public AED’s everywhere, just open, not locked away etc. how long would something like that last in Vancouver until it was stolen? 5 minutes?

With all that said, and with those articles I posted above, Canada is never going to right the ship and come out of where we’re at like those Scandinavian countries, we’re way too far gone. Carney could double income tax and we still wouldn’t fix those issues.

The concept of strung out homeless people with garbage surrounding them laying in the streets is non-existent in those countries. The “homeless” people I saw looked more like they were in between couch surfing, or recently hard up and out on the streets. They weren’t anywhere close to what you see here, everywhere.

Honestly it’s very disheartening to see where we’re at, and have virtually no confidence this will ever be fixed.

Again, geographically, Canada is the most beautiful country I’ve ever been to. Socially we are way behind. This last trip was even more of a wake up call then spending 4 months in Europe in 2022.

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2025/0...spending-cuts/





Meanwhile, in a new report, the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives says cuts to the public service may be deeper than the government is letting on.

https://www.policyalternatives.ca/ne...d-budget-cuts/

“At least we’re not the other guy” or whatever it is you guys want to say?

Driving home from the airport last night I saw more homeless people in a 16 kilometre, 20 minute drive than I did over a month in 5 countries.

After seeing how those countries operate, I can completely get on board with the notion that higher taxes provide better outcomes, WHEN utilized effectively. As I’ve always said. If you can fix things, do it.

I can also agree that it’s a bit asinine for these brain dead conservative types that complain about how services, infrastructure, social aspects are so bad, yet then want lower to no taxes, which again, I think places like Texas, Florida, etc. highlight how that isn’t possible.

Scandinavian countries are a model for this. We as as society are so much worse off for the state we are in imo. Every country we went to had better transit, generally better infrastructure, and even things like public AED’s everywhere, just open, not locked away etc. how long would something like that last in Vancouver until it was stolen? 5 minutes?

With all that said, and with those articles I posted above, Canada is never going to right the ship and come out of where we’re at like those Scandinavian countries, we’re way too far gone. Carney could double income tax and we still wouldn’t fix those issues.

The concept of strung out homeless people with garbage surrounding them laying in the streets is non-existent in those countries. The “homeless” people I saw looked more like they were in between couch surfing, or recently hard up and out on the streets. They weren’t anywhere close to what you see here, everywhere.

Honestly it’s very disheartening to see where we’re at, and have virtually no confidence this will ever be fixed.

Again, geographically, Canada is the most beautiful country I’ve ever been to. Socially we are way behind. This last trip was even more of a wake up call then spending 4 months in Europe in 2022.

Thank god you and most of Canada voted Liberal, otherwise you'd be even (MUCH) further astray from this form of socialism you desire

[westopher]

Honda voted PP who is literally selling the exact opposite of the systems he wants.
We truly fucked it all up when Layton didn’t get in.

[Hondaracer]

The funniest part is believing this liberal regime is doing anything otherwise?

Like are you guys that fucking blind?

This is the greatest falacy ever told that this govt. actually can enact change. They’ve provided a decade of examples.

They’ve spent frivolously without result. They’ve rewrote the system, and it’s a bigger failure than ever.

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

Thank god you and most of Canada voted Liberal, otherwise you'd be even (MUCH) further astray from this form of socialism you desire

Popular vote was virtually 50/50. Come back and vote, you can have a say.

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

The funniest part is believing this liberal regime is doing anything otherwise?

Like are you guys that fucking blind?

This is the greatest falacy ever told that this govt. actually can enact change. They’ve provided a decade of examples.

They’ve spent frivolously without result. They’ve rewrote the system, and it’s a bigger failure than ever.

Maybe the Liberals are doing nothing

But the other guys would take the country much further away from the ideals you are wanting to employ. Trump is gutting the US in front of everyone, sending them to hell, and PP wanted to follow in his footsteps.

You would have a lot of jerkoff material for "owning the Libs" but that's about it. The stuff you actually care about would be so far out of sight your head would spin.

[Hondaracer]

Again, that’s all you have “maybe the other guys”

So the “other guys” wouldn’t be capable of running a record deficit with, at the same time, making the greatest cuts?

Don’t worry, none of this will matter when Carney tells you guys how to think in 6 months.

[westopher]

US is doing an excellent job of the biggest cuts in history with the biggest debts in history, so yeah it's possible.
Neither of us want the libs in power, but what I don't understand is that you'd choose a party that's even further than them for what you say you want?
There's nothing I'd rather see than an NDP that actually is organized and can deliver on what your (and my) Scandinavian utopia does.
This all could have been put on a much better path in 2011. Who did you vote for back then?

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Again, that’s all you have “maybe the other guys”

So the “other guys” wouldn’t be capable of running a record deficit with, at the same time, making the greatest cuts?

Don’t worry, none of this will matter when Carney tells you guys how to think in 6 months.

I'm just saying if you really want that style of government, complaining about the Liberals won't get you there, and voting for Conservatives will get you even further from there. You need to support a different movement, one that is more inline with what you say you want, vs fighting people, trolling, and jerking off

You'll probably find that you are on the same side as a lot more people here then. Leave the vyr4lr3t4rds and hehes in the dust, you are clearly not one of them.

[noclue]

ya know on the subject of bureaucracy, I was thinking why can't I get a quote and buy online insurance for ICBC like every other province? So far you can only renew existing coverage online and it's a half assed attempt which still involves an autoplan agent.

Then I realized it will be political suicide as it will result in the layoffs of thousands of autoplan agents but it'll save ICBC and your tax dollars a ton in commission and be more efficient.

[Jason00S2000]

Do people actually think we live in a true democracy with free media and no corruption?

The whole thing's a massive sham!

Once you accept that and just realize the system won... wow... life becomes so much easier when you realize that no justice will happen or utopia will form... people aren't getting murdered in the street (at least not too much) and this is pretty good. Life is still AWESOME AS FUCK in Canada if you're rich!

I mean, I'm not even rich, but because I can exist online and I'm mostly free still to work digitally, living in Canada is still a pretty good lifestyle. If you bust your fucking ass 9-5 and are barely surviving, then life in Canada is fucking horrible 9/10 times! Some people really enjoy the extreme grind. Always wild when you meet a Filipino who works 2 jobs and sleeps in their car so their family can live like kings back home...

[68style]

Oh yah all those Filipinos sleeping in cars everywhere. Streets are absolutely littered with them!

Idiot.

[6793026]

Originally Posted by noclue

ya know on the subject of bureaucracy, I was thinking why can't I get a quote and buy online insurance for ICBC like every other province? So far you can only renew existing coverage online and it's a half assed attempt which still involves an autoplan agent.

Then I realized it will be political suicide as it will result in the layoffs of thousands of autoplan agents but it'll save ICBC and your tax dollars a ton in commission and be more efficient.

isn't it true you only earn like 20 bucks for a ICBC car insuarnce?

[Jason00S2000]

Originally Posted by 68style

Oh yah all those Filipinos sleeping in cars everywhere. Streets are absolutely littered with them!

Idiot.

Bruh I guarantee you're so insulated by wealth you don't see the same level of struggle I've witnessed. I've hired multiple people who lived in their cars and still made it to work every day. Can't imagine how tough that lifestyle is, but I saw it first hand just before and during COVID.

[VRYALT3R3D]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

Trump is gutting the US in front of everyone, sending them to hell, and PP wanted to follow in his footsteps.

Do you even believe the bullshit you write? To imply Poilievre would have followed in Trump's footsteps is pure uncut conjecture and misinformation.

Meanwhile Carney has caved to Trump's every demand so far. Massive military spending, a massively overpriced missile defense system, caving so quickly on the DST, etc. In the mean time, we(not you, HKer) have essentially dropped almost all retaliatory trade efforts. Does Carney have a shred of credibility left?

Right now, Trump shoved his cock so deep down Carney's throat and you can still smell Trump's cock in Carney's breath. Sad!

[Manic!]

Originally Posted by VRYALT3R3D

caving so quickly on the DST, etc.!

So you support the DST?