There is absolutely no comparison in building a pharmaceutical facility that can produce millions of vials to a hospital with a couple of hundred rooms. Pharmaceutical facility takes years to construct and billions of dollars. You need to construct the facility, procure the necessary equipment, hire and train your personnel, qualify your equipment, validate your process, and have it approved by Health Canada. All of this during pandemic.

I work for a pharmaceutical firm and we had trouble procuring cleanroom supplies (e.g. gloves, masks), cleaning supplies (e.g. Quaternary ammonium, alcohol), and vials because everything was in short supply. We wanted new equipment installed but no one would come on-site for installation and validation because of travel restrictions.

Technically the COVID-19 vaccines are not approved, they are granted emergency use authorization.

Again you are demonstrating your complete ignorance of pharmaceutical manufacturing. I agree that you can construct a cleanroom and have it certified within a couple of months. However, you are discounting basically everything else that relates to pharmaceutical manufacturing.

lol what? You can criticize O'toole for other things but why should O'toole be on the hook for a vaccine distribution plan that he did not directly oversee? Unless both parties were given equal opportunities at creating and rolling out a vaccine distribution, how could you say the Cons under O'toole would've done worse?

You don't think the opposition party can multi-task and raise attention to multiple issues at the same time? You might not care but I do care about where the next Olympics are held. It should not be held in China similar to how the 1936 Summer Olympics should never have been held in Berlin, hosted by Nazi regime, under Adolf Hitler who saw it as an opportunity to promote his government and ideals of racial supremacy. Prior to the 1936 Olympics, Germany has already shown its anti-sematic colors. Have you read about the genocide (mass rape, sterilization, torture, concentration camps etc.) being carried out against the Uighurs before calling it an "alleged crime"? You also do know that China is detaining two Canadian civilians as hostage for over two years as an act of hostage diplomacy? There are many parallels between CCP and Nazi Germany. For one, they want to destroy democracy around the world. First its Hong Kong, similar to how it was first Poland, and next is Taiwan etc. This is not a small issue and if Canada wants to be a world leader, we need to step up and push our allies to confront China together.

It’s cute that you pick apart my posts on some abstract level when the basis of it is just a generalization from my relationships with the people involved in that process. But then you make it sound like I’m trying to come off as some expert in the field.

Of course I’m ignorant to it. I didn’t construct it, I wasn’t there, outside of the general construction aspects I have no inside knowledge of assembling one. My experience is based on a first hand account by Somone who also does not understand every aspect of said procedures.

Why not grace us with your infinite knowledge on the subject? You seem to be the real expert.

Lol, I'm sure you know all about production of vaccines but the fact you actually think it costs billions of dollars to construct a lab shows what little you actually know about the cost of construction.

You realize they are building the new St Pauls Hospital in Vancouver including all furnishings for 2 billion right? I'll give you a lab is going to have some expensive equipment more so than a hospital but I'm talking about a significant sized hospital like top 15 largest in Canada around 550 rooms with a footprint bigger than a multiple football fields and from what I remember around 10 stories high. How big of a lab you think we need?

https://www.on-sitemag.com/construct...te/1003971939/

You're right I have no idea about how long after construction it would take to get up and running after completed, I wouldn't assume years but I'll take your word for it lol.

They are currently building a lab in Saskatoon at the University of Sask. but like I said I feel they left it way to long to get started.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saska...rial-1.5899559

A pharmaceutical manufacturing facility is not a lab. The complexity of a manufacturing site far exceeds that of a lab.

Not comparable in terms of the facilities and equipment required.

They are a long long way from producing anything. Their product just entered into phase 1 trial.

so moderna already had the facilities, training, equipment, mass distribution networks in place 6mos ago? what are they doing that we are not?

not that they aren't hurdles but i'm not getting the sense of urgency within canada to end this pandemic

whatever we tried in the past year isn't sustainable long term

Great input bro, will read again

The are a company that manufactures vaccines. The equipment used to make vaccines is not off the shelf. You can't just place an order on Amazon. Knee jerk reactions is not what be need. We need long term plans. Either we pay companies to open up plants in Canada or we rely on government funded research. I don't think the cons would have been happy if 3-4 years ago JT decided to spend billions on research facility's and factories.

i got you quasi, i know a nurse at st pauls...she'll know how many billions it really is Kappa

This we can agree on, they aren't comparable in cost either the Hospital due to the shear size will cost far more then any facility we'd build to manufacturer vaccines. I stand by what I said, you might know about the manufacturing of vaccines but your knowledge on the cost of building the facilities to produce them is limited. It wouldn't cost billions of dollars, no way no how I really think you just pulled that number out of the air.

GSK has vaccine production in toronto, also there's another in QC city

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/...is_is_fine.jpg

https://theconversation.com/the-root...decades-154792

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5518734/





Vaccine manufacturing overview

I’m generalizing, but there’s a lot of talk about just making vaccines here from those that said things like “I don’t trust vaccines that come to market that quickly, we don’t know long term side effects.”
Canada was promised a lot of vaccines from various manufactures that seemed like they would have been here in a near instant after approval. Approval happened far quicker than expected leaving no real time to plan for such a vast manufacturing ramp up in a facility that didn’t exist yet. This has been all guessing and gambles from the get go and Canada has done moderately ok. It could have just as easily gone extremely well, or absolutely fucking terrible. We can talk about how fast Belgium is vaccinating people but in the same breath it’s worth mentioning they have one of the highest death rates per capita in the world, if not the highest of any real populated country for that number to be a sample size that’s comparable to Canada. Would we still want to trade for that position?

another 600+ new in BC
highest daily since 1/7

^ cause of superbowl gatherings?

^ Church gatherings? Penthouse parties? Kelowna protests? Reopen all the economies ??? Profit

People definitely starting to flout the rules. Parties being busted left and right, but for every one busted there's likely many many smaller gatherings that are getting by unnoticed.

Covid fatigue is real. The social gathering ban has been in place for how long now?

just anecdotal but saw quite a few CNY gatherings on my feed
i think people stopped caring when they banned mental welfare indefinitely

Got the second shot today. Ready to have my organs controlled mobile styles via 5g by that evil bastard Bill Gates now.

Jokes aside, didn't get any of the sleepiness I did from the first shot :considered:

Because they reopened everything, you mean my boss can tell me to go meet with random strangers for 8 hours a day to do business but I can't visit my family? :fulloffuck:

Report back in 24 hours

well it's next morning now and i'm fine. arm is sore. apparently yesterday 4 people in my department called in sick lol.

Try to not grip so hard, or consider switching arms. :badpokerface:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...ling-1.5315741

So, with the new variants, even if we maintain our status quo of "zero social interactions" we're going to get clobbered.

What could we possibly do, looks like a no-win situation aside from buckling down and hope you don't get anything until everyone's vaccinated.

With the new variants, it's going to wreck havoc on "survivor" areas like us that because of survivor bias I think. Like, everyone's used to their routines now and because it's gotten them this far with no ill-effect even if the new variants are that much more infectious.

predicting 3rd wave might happen in weeks spiking much harder than this winter assuming ease of restrictions and continued vaccination shortages

does anyone have the luxury of working from anywhere and just gonna go ride it out in New Zealand for a few years?