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Old 06-15-2021, 02:09 PM   #11051
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Obviously when you have physical impairment, you shouldn't be operating or applying to any job that requires you to work with a machine.

But for other disease like cancer, flu, diabetes, covid, herpes, whatever. There is no reason for disclosing any of that to your employer.

Furthermore, I saw a new piece on someone driving home AFTER getting the covid shot and they passed out at the wheel and caused a huge accident. This is something similar to what you're saying. DO NOT DRIVE AFTER YOU GET YOUR SHOT.
Luckily for the person I've made up, so long as he hasn't passed out at all within a 5 year period they're allowed to keep their commercial license and use it as if there's nothing wrong. However, if they happen to have an accident at home while walking through the kitchen or driving down their alley way their commercial license is suspended again. BUT that's only if they admit something happened. They can pass out while putting on their shoes in the morning... if nobody saw it happen... did it actually happen?

It may be walking on glass turning them down from a job as it's a medical discrimination. They've a license to work and as far as a Dr. is concerned the person is perfectly healthy and capable so long as meds are taken as prescribed. It's an honor system.

If we're going to say do not drive after you get a covid shot, we might as well follow what the label on all over the counter pills such as Tylenol/Buckley's cough pills etc say. "You may experience drowsiness, do not operate heavy machinery" and so on. Take a shot/pill of anything and put yourself out of commission for 12 hours to self monitor?
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If I had sex with my coworker they’d be legally obligated to tell me if they have HIV and it’s veritably impossible for me to catch it otherwise.

You really want to get into the whole COVID = Same as the flu thing?
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If I had sex with my coworker they’d be legally obligated to tell me if they have HIV and it’s veritably impossible for me to catch it otherwise.

You really want to get into the whole COVID = Same as the flu thing?
The point is that you were already surrounded by all kinds of virus either at public place or work place. What changed is the sudden mentality of people that others are unclean.

I'm not going in to covid = common flu thing, even though they are statistically the same.
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For the anti-vaxxers in here, I see a few, if your employer says "OK, we won't ask if you have been vaccinated or not, but it is required that you wear your mask anytime you leave your desk or talk to anyone. If you have been vaccinated, then you may choose to wear a mask or not."

So, for you guys who refuse to vaccinate...and tell your employer about it, will you be wear a mask or not and breach of your employer's health and safety protocols?
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If I'm fully vaccinated by 2 shots, why should i be worried about being around others who aren't vaccinated?
Because 2 shots =/= 100% protection.

If you wore a condom, but it's only 90% effective, would you have sex with someone with HIV?
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The point is that you were already surrounded by all kinds of virus either at public place or work place. What changed is the sudden mentality of people that others are unclean.

I'm not going in to covid = common flu thing, even though they are statistically the same.
Nope Iíve always assumed other people are filthy, donít wash their hands after the bathroom, pick their noses, scratch their balls, touch everything, have fans at their desks they cough into.

That said, nothing they ever coughed out could put me in the hospital with a life threatening condition before this. In order for your theory to be true Covid would have to be no more dangerous than the common flu, so you are making that argument whether you think you are or not.

Itís up to you if you want to continue believing that stupidity.
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Just give incentives to show you're vaccinated perhaps. People who can prove they have both shots have the option of wearing a mask if they want, everyone else has to keep the mask on. Doesn't have to be that persay but I'm sure there's more creative ways to make it an "optional" choice to show you're vaccinated.
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For the anti-vaxxers in here, I see a few, if your employer says "OK, we won't ask if you have been vaccinated or not, but it is required that you wear your mask anytime you leave your desk or talk to anyone. If you have been vaccinated, then you may choose to wear a mask or not."

So, for you guys who refuse to vaccinate...and tell your employer about it, will you be wear a mask or not and breach of your employer's health and safety protocols?
I'll admit I guess I'm an "anti-vaxxer" because I don't see the benefit of taking this drug. I'm far from anti-vaccine though. Many people who take this shot does not understand. This is NOT the traditional whole cooked virus vaccine. So far, only Sinovac from China is and there is very little funding for this approach of vaccine. Also, there is always a risk when you inject something into your system.

For me personally, wearing a mask is where I drew the line. I did not mind wearing a mask throughout the last year. So when you ask if employer says vaccinated can take off their masks, I wouldn't care at all. But don't you think that is prejudice?
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I'm not going in to covid = common flu thing, even though they are statistically the same.
This is a very quick way to prove that you wonít really bring anything to the table here.
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That said, nothing they ever coughed out could put me in the hospital with a life threatening condition before this. In order for your theory to be true Covid would have to be no more dangerous than the common flu, so you are making that argument whether you think you are or not.

It’s up to you if you want to continue believing that stupidity.
Yes, you can say covid and the common flu are different things, but the stats are very similar. Two different things having similar results is not out of the ordinary.

Of course we can believe what we want. It's up to you and I respect that.
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This is a very quick way to prove that you won’t really bring anything to the table here.
Westopher, that's all I have to say, man.

I'll leave this discussion up to you guys.
I just thought some opposing opinions would spark discussion, but obviously this topic is beaten to death and people already made up their mind.

All the best to you all on your decision in this topic.
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I can get my 2nd AZ shot on Thursday if i wanted to and im really tempted to do so.

But im opting to get the Pfizer just cause of the effectiveness and it also protects me from additional variants. Hopefully i get a booking text by next week
i'm currently booked for my 2nd shot of AZ on the 28th

i was thinking of going pfizer but my wife who works in health care has been talking to upper level doctors and they've been telling her for me to go 2 shot AZ
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So you're saying even if you and I are both fully vaccinated, we could still get covid? Why did I bother getting vaccinated with my first dosage at all, and risk all the long term side affects?
The chances of it becoming a serious illness are drastically reduced if you are vaccinated. You won't end up in the hospital. That is why.
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^so you don't die on the spot, look at India. From what I've been sold its to lessen the symptoms, you can still get it, just less likely to die and have bad symptoms. You can also still be a carrier if you're vaccinated.
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So you're saying even if you and I are both fully vaccinated, we could still get covid? Why did I bother getting vaccinated with my first dosage at all, and risk all the long term side affects?
The COVID vaccines available in Canada have been shown to be extremely effective in reducing your chances of developing severe symptoms or dying from COVID. The mild cases rarely leave behind any long term side effects.

Additionally, even if a vaccinated person gets sick, the transmissibility of the virus from that person seems to be dramatically lower as well.

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And for employers, I'm pretty sure they can some how say it's a requirement for the job. At the end of the day it's private property and they make the rules. I'm sure they can say vaccine required, like they said they will for concerts, traveling etc. No shirt no shoes no vaccine no service.

I doubt they would want to risk shut downs, sick employees, negative press just for some Karen's.
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I'll add that 2 shots from Pfizer/ AZ would not be enough.

There will be booster shots coming in September of this year.
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How many people who have been fully vaccinated have died from Covid after the fact? I was under the impression that the numbers were pretty much no one.

I'm on board with the vaccines and the masks to get through this but once I'm fully vaccinated and the numbers are very low I'm ditching this fucking mask. Anyone who's worried about me being a carrier can put on 3 masks.
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Obviously when you have physical impairment, you shouldn't be operating or applying to any job that requires you to work with a machine.

But for other disease like cancer, flu, diabetes, covid, herpes, whatever. There is no reason for disclosing any of that to your employer.

Furthermore, I saw a new piece on someone driving home AFTER getting the covid shot and they passed out at the wheel and caused a huge accident. This is something similar to what you're saying. DO NOT DRIVE AFTER YOU GET YOUR SHOT.
Sorry youíre right. I didnít realize cancer, herpes and diabetes were airborne and super infectious that spread around the world Į\_(ツ)_/Į
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^ maybe end of 2023 if there's no more new variants
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Westopher, that's all I have to say, man.

I'll leave this discussion up to you guys.
I just thought some opposing opinions would spark discussion, but obviously this topic is beaten to death and people already made up their mind.

All the best to you all on your decision in this topic.
Opposing opinions are fine, but you canít just ignore actual numbers and stats that disprove your completely false statement.
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If I'm fully vaccinated by 2 shots, why should i be worried about being around others who aren't vaccinated?
thought this has been discussed to death.
Just cause you are vaccinate, you can still get sick.
Lots of assumption
You did get a working vaccine, ur body is actually making the antibodies. YOu still get infected, you just get "less" sick. You can still and might be able to transmit.

Doctor made fun when we had a beer; just cause you got HIV vaccine (if there is one), you're not going to start banging every girl / guy out there. You cant' really tell if you're really really protected.
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So you're saying even if you and I are both fully vaccinated, we could still get covid? Why did I bother getting vaccinated with my first dosage at all, and risk all the long term side affects?
So if seatbelts don't save 100% of lives, why bother wearing one?

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There will be booster shots coming in September of this year.
This is highly speculative at this point.
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