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Old 09-09-2021, 06:44 PM   #12476
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Old 09-09-2021, 06:45 PM   #12477
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A QR code, whether on your phone or on a printed piece of paper, suggests that the government will instantly know exactly where and when you visit businesses requiring these passports. I am not really comfortable handing them that power so easily, as opposed to all the other methods they might do that which would require some levels of legal hoops to do.

Why can't it be a simple physical card that those businesses can check in person, like bouncers, liquor store employees, gas station attendants, etc. are all trained to do?

Are people still going to be ok with QR passports as the situation changes under a new wave to include more services, even essential ones, or to have to present them to travel to other health regions? What if they decide to prevent people who are "spreading misinformation about covid" or criticizing the WHO/CDC/goverment from accessing services and businesses? Then we are into a Chinese-style social credit system with little effort.


I have had covid, I am pro-vax, pro-mask (when it makes sense), and you might have even had me onboard with a physical vaccine passport. Can anyone explain how these QR codes can't/won't track your movements as apposed to a physical passport?
My wife hardly gives two shits about where I go on my own, so I highly doubt the government really cares that much about me to actively track me. If they do, prepare to be bored out of your bloody mind.
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Let's just say I went without a cell phone up until 2011 because I didn't like the tracking and listening in abilities. And the whole Edward Snowden/NSA story pretty much vindicated my beliefs to my friends pissed off with how hard it was to get a hold of me lol.

As I said, and I must point out I am asking here as I am no expert, a QR code would give an instant log to the government of the identity, time and location of citizens so they know where you go, when you go, and how often you go to various places. I don't believe they should have the right to that information without oversight or limits (have they not also indicated they could extend its use?), regardless of their intentions, good or bad.

Handing a physical vaccine passport to an employee of a business so that they may verify my identity and vaccine status, does not give anything to the government. Otherwise every time I went to the bar in my 20's would have told them I drank too much and wasted too much money. It is not difficult to train someone to verify the vaccine cards with ID since minimum wage gas station attendants have to ID people all day long for cigarettes and lotto.
QR code is just to verify your data though, not to tell anyone where you are... In fact I'd argue that they should have added tracking, so when there's a covid breakout they can contact everyone who was there.
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My wife hardly gives two shits about where I go on my own, so I highly doubt the government really cares that much about me to actively track me. If they do, prepare to be bored out of your bloody mind.
Yup. I'm not important enough for anyone to give a shit about. Track me, please!
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As I said, and I must point out I am asking here as I am no expert, a QR code would give an instant log to the government of the identity, time and location of citizens so they know where you go, when you go, and how often you go to various places.
Do you have a bank account? Do you use a credit or debit card at all? Any points or loyalty or membership cards?

I'm not exactly jazzed about being tracked by anyone either, but society has decided they're okay with it so there's not a lot that I can do about it. Compared to the 57 super mega globo corps that are tracking me I'm not going to be overly worried even if the gov't did decide to use this to track me. Anything they'd manage to log me doing is already available for purchase from several companies already if they really wanted to know.
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Pretty sure that cell phone you happily carry around is a damn good tracking device too.
Yeah but he held out till 2011...So brave. I guess he'll hold out until the Vaccine Passport 4S is released before getting it.
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In fact I'd argue that they should have added tracking, so when there's a covid breakout they can contact everyone who was there.
this is the cliche'd slippery slope that I don't like.

i don't go anywhere and willingly provide "the government" with a footprint of having been there.

sure - our phones track us, and FB and IG and all that shit. currently, nobody can legally get at that information.

this feels like the first step in giving that up.

if you guys don't think electronic contact tracing is a huge issue - I don't know what to say. I don't want to live in a country where I could get a phone call telling me i'm on house arrest for 2 weeks because of where my phone has been.
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Oh noes the gubment noes where I 'gon be!!

1. Is there any indication of any tracking functionality in the QR code scanner? - No
2. What exactly is the government going to do with this information? - Nothing I can think of, and no confirming vaccination status is not anywhere near a "Social credit system" or "tracking". Except companies like Facebook, Google, Amazon do this and take this information to sell, influence, and generally control everything you see online - and you're ok with this?
3. Does anyone care you go to Cactus Club 3 times a week? - Fuck no but maybe the 20-year old waitress you keep stalking will start to notice a pattern.
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To be fair, even these mega corps being referred to here never thought location data, cookies, etc would be worth shit 10-15 years ago

Now personal data is one of the most coveted marketing machines available and this data is worth untold amounts of money to these companies.

Eventually the govt. is going to want a peice of that whether they are doing anything with it now or not.
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Honestly I’d rather the govt collect my data and sell it to pay for social programs and taxes, than have FB have it for a marketing algorithm and then lose all my info to hackers.
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Being someone who is very laxed and looks at things pretty simplistically I haven't once thought about a rights, privacy etc angle. To me it's a new rule that's being put in place saying if I want to do X I need to provide X. Balls in my court if I want to provide it plain and simple. To me it's no different than going to a bar and having to present my ID. It really doesn't bug me one bit. I just feel bad for businesses having to enforce because you know people will be all up in their face about it.
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To be fair, even these mega corps being referred to here never thought location data, cookies, etc would be worth shit 10-15 years ago

Now personal data is one of the most coveted marketing machines available and this data is worth untold amounts of money to these companies.

Eventually the govt. is going to want a peice of that whether they are doing anything with it now or not.
15 years ago was 2006 old man , Guaranteed that's what Facebook business model was built on at the time.
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this is the cliche'd slippery slope that I don't like.

i don't go anywhere and willingly provide "the government" with a footprint of having been there.

sure - our phones track us, and FB and IG and all that shit. currently, nobody can legally get at that information.

this feels like the first step in giving that up.

if you guys don't think electronic contact tracing is a huge issue - I don't know what to say. I don't want to live in a country where I could get a phone call telling me i'm on house arrest for 2 weeks because of where my phone has been.
Then you have to consider what kind of country you live in that you would be giving up your location data to.

Are you in a country with a fascist regime that keeps track of its citizens to quell any potential "threats" at any given time? Or one that tries to control society by docking "points" to people for going certain places?

Or are you in one with an elected liberal government that just wants their citizens to be safe, and if tracking people to keep them informed on covid outbreaks does that, it's something to consider.

Maybe there's a slippery slope, and one day Canada will be conquered by fascists - I mean America voted one in 5 years ago, and Texas is going crazy right now - but I wouldn't worry too much about it. The rhetorical scenario you brought up, can you honestly see that happening? Really? Where do you go that would even get you placed under arrest? (maybe don't answer that lol)
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1. Is there any indication of any tracking functionality in the QR code scanner? - No
2. What exactly is the government going to do with this information? - Nothing I can think of, and no confirming vaccination status is not anywhere near a "Social credit system" or "tracking". Except companies like Facebook, Google, Amazon do this and take this information to sell, influence, and generally control everything you see online - and you're ok with this?
3. Does anyone care you go to Cactus Club 3 times a week? - Fuck no but maybe the 20-year old waitress you keep stalking will start to notice a pattern.
I know that there is no tracking functionality implemented in the scanner. I have my passport, and I look forward to continuing to frequent my favourite restaurants.

I posted my response to SP advocating for actual government phone tracking - something that AFAIK is being used in some countries right now, implemented as a response to covid.

As with all of the covid mandates - I don't like the idea of normalizing any of these measures.
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Or are you in one with an elected liberal government that just wants their citizens to be safe, and if tracking people to keep them informed on covid outbreaks does that, it's something to consider.
i sincerely hope that this is never even considered here.

it's the exact slippery slope I'm talking about.
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Really? Where do you go that would even get you placed under arrest? (maybe don't answer that lol)
a mandatory quarantine implemented by a covid tracking app is house arrest.

i can honestly see that happening.

not only do I see it happening, if this goes on long enough - I think part of the population will ask for it. people have been begging for a tracking app now for over a year - it's even baked into my phone now.

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^ but the app would just be the method to effectively carry out the rules with more precision. Right now, if you have Covid you are required to isolate for 10 days. If you have been in contact with someone positive, you are not required to isolate, just monitor yourself for symptoms. If you have symptoms, go and get tested. If positive, then isolate for 10 days. How is tracking going to be Draconian and deprive you of your freedoms?

Sorry but I'm not seeing the nefarious intent behind the tracking. All I'm hearing is David Eby and the Civil Liberty Rights group saying ... 'oh the police will know that you've been here or there and can infringe on your privacy'. Where did you go bro that you're so concerned about police knowing? Asian massage parlour ... someone's speakeasy room for underground mahjong?
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Even Australia uses that type of tracking, its been highly effective for them to target exposure routes, trace infected, and possible infections, it doesn't help them to keep people in check

hell even in China its just been an effective trace/warning feature

Instead of forcing a whole city to lockdown, its just telling those who've been exposed to stay at home
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Then you have to consider what kind of country you live in that you would be giving up your location data to.

Are you in a country with a fascist regime that keeps track of its citizens to quell any potential "threats" at any given time? Or one that tries to control society by docking "points" to people for going certain places?

Or are you in one with an elected liberal government that just wants their citizens to be safe, and if tracking people to keep them informed on covid outbreaks does that, it's something to consider.
This ^^

Yes, we have CSIS here in Canada too, and undoutedly, our Canadian intelligence people would inevitably have to work with some less desirable governments *cough* US *cough* that might access some of our privacy information. Still, at the end of the day, I have far more trust in the Canadian federal and provincial government than I have for Google and FB, and those two companies already know a heck of a lot about me.

I would absolutely not be OK with the type of vaccination passport that has been implemented in Hong Kong. Nor would I be OK with the amount of government surveillence in China. But that's why I am not there, and wouldn't ever set foot at those places until their facist governments crumble. But in Canada? Oh please... the only thing I would not be OK with is if Cain were to show up at my door trying to give me a VI.
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