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Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Lol come on. I’m not a sentimental person but a random Sunday in July doesn’t really replace Christmas for most people.

I dislike Christmas and I know it's not the same, and I know that there are situations where it really is the only time some people can see certain other people due to time off or w/e. But for the majority who are claiming Christmas is important to be able to see family, if it's really that important to you to see them after not being able to for a couple years why didn't they try to see any of them back when restrictions were loosened? 18 months of not having anywhere to go, why not book some of those backlogged days off to go visit Uncle Steve or whoever instead of just hoping he survives til Christmas?

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

The retireee in the mid to late 60’s will have got completely fucked by Covid. People missed some of the prime years of their retirement and it’s a small window for good health for travelling etc at that point

That's part of why a work/life balance is key imo. I know lots of people who never lived to retirement, and a few that passed when they'd barely started working. Granted I'm probably a bit biased here, but I feel worse for the kids who have been growing up through this. My kids have basically been stuck with just my wife (who is awesome) and my stupid ass their entire lives. Older kids had a massive shift in their lives that's gotta be brutal too, I can't imagine how hard that is socially.

[pastarocket]

Dr. Henry also made comments about the variability in symptoms for people who have Omicron.

She said it it is not necessarily the case that people with Omicron only have mild symptoms.

She said that in her discussions with infectious disease experts in Quebec, countries like UK and other nations, the severity of Omicron can be mild or worse for any person.

-good for her to mention that info. in response to some people’s post online about it being mild.

Some people these days just believe what people post on Reddit and YouTube about Covid and it’s variants.


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[twitchyzero]

people would be more inclined to not tune herand dix and tam etc. if they rationalize the restrictions

ie. why casinos & half of rogers arena over gyms and funerals, sure there's logically less ventilation in smaller indoor spaces but show us the hard data to back it up

and even when variants weren't as virulent as omicron she repeatedly gives almost no notice to industries before lockdowns

[supafamous]

Originally Posted by The Producer

i was surprised to hear Dr. Bonnie actually say that everyone will be exposed to omicron eventually - that it can't be avoided.

We knew this, but there are still lots of people that think they will somehow dodge covid.

It's a refreshing realistic take - wonder if it was off script.

I've started seeing articles talking about how something like Omicron was inevitable as viruses don't necessarily want to kill its hosts too often. At some point they just want to survive so the virus mutates in a way that it hurts but doesn't kill the host. Delta is winning with the unvaxxed while Omicron is winning with the vaxxed but because there are relatively few unvaxxed Delta is now 2nd place amongst COVID variants.

Presumably a milder version of COVID eventually shows up and we just end up having to live with it - something comparable to flu viruses or other SARS viruses. This is something they've been saying since the beginning but it wasn't the headline.

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Originally Posted by twitchyzero

people would be more inclined to not tune herand dix and tam etc. if they rationalize the restrictions

ie. why casinos & half of rogers arena over gyms and funerals, sure there's logically less ventilation in smaller indoor spaces but show us the hard data to back it up

and even when variants weren't as virulent as omicron she repeatedly gives almost no notice to industries before lockdowns

Lol, yeah one thing that came to mind was if I go to a restaurant maximum 6 to a table and at most restaurants you're fairly spread out even sitting with someone. I can go to a casino right now and play 9 handed poker sitting shoulder to shoulder with 8 other people and a dealer (10 people total) at one table all touching the same chips and cards passing them around the table lol.

[pastarocket]

The illegal NYE parties in private residences are my biggest concern in terms of super spreader venues of Omicron.

If that motherfucker Mo of Telus Gardens hosts another NYE party in his penthouse AGAIN, VPD needs to lock his ass up for a long time. Our justice system cannot be soft with this guy. $15,000 fines are not enough to deter guys like Mohammad Movassaghi from hosting parties at his penthouse for big profits.

Mo needs to learn a big lesson from our court system. How about putting Mo in prison for a month if he decides to host another NYE party in his penthouse?

Mo can celebrate NYE in prison.

[Hondaracer]

He’s just the poster child for it. I’m sure there are people all over hosting huge gatherings.

Outside of not being face to face with people not really sure how a yaletown earls completely jammed with hundreds of people at every table, maskless, is much different than any other indoor gathering. There’s plenty of evidence of the virus being airborne etc. for a long time after a person has been in an area, and given the constant coming and goings of a restaurant and the fact windows, doors, other entry points are constantly in use it’s pretty much impossible to exchange all the air within spaces like that

[68style]

Yah those things are happening all over the place... heck... my previous neighbour (a renter) at my condo had a full out beer pong tables rager one night during the height of COVID that the building security called the police on but he wasn't in the paper.

That Mo dude just fucked up being the loudest one and trying to gain clout around town/make money off it.

[ImportPsycho]

holy shit this is 2 years ago all over again

[6793026]

eyah i was there 2 yrs ago; it was hilarious, seeing santa clause when u're in tanktop. Realyl weird.

[68style]

^ Bit early to be drunk isn't it? lol

[westopher]

[CivicBlues]

Originally Posted by ImportPsycho

holy shit this is 2 years ago all over again

2 years ago was Christmas 2019. Which was fine.

[sdubfid]

Originally Posted by pastarocket

The illegal NYE parties in private residences are my biggest concern in terms of super spreader venues of Omicron.

If that motherfucker Mo of Telus Gardens hosts another NYE party in his penthouse AGAIN, VPD needs to lock his ass up for a long time. Our justice system cannot be soft with this guy. $15,000 fines are not enough to deter guys like Mohammad Movassaghi from hosting parties at his penthouse for big profits.

Mo needs to learn a big lesson from our court system. How about putting Mo in prison for a month if he decides to host another NYE party in his penthouse?

Mo can celebrate NYE in prison.

Be kind, be calm, be safe.
Soap and water and common sense.

The titles of Bonnie Henry’s latest books for sale. Perhaps you can deliver Mo a couple copies while walking by the thousands of people on their way to a hockey game.

[68style]

I can kinda understand the hockey game thing, its massive open structure and several stories high ceiling.

I’m more choked why I can sit for hours and play cards but not wear a mask and lift weights. Those are much more similar to me.

[ImportPsycho]

Originally Posted by CivicBlues

2 years ago was Christmas 2019. Which was fine.

ok fine, it's 20 months ago all over again, fixed?

[GGnoRE]

Encouraging development in South Africa. Cases are plunging and it seems like the wave might be a short one (blue line cases, red line deaths).



"The drop in new cases nationally combined with the sustained drop in new cases seen here in Gauteng province, which for weeks has been the center of this wave, indicates that we are past the peak," Marta Nunes, senior researcher at the Vaccines and Infectious Diseases Analytics department of the University of Witwatersrand, told The AP.

"It was a short wave...and the good news is that it was not very severe in terms of hospitalizations and deaths," she said. It is "not unexpected in epidemiology that a very steep increase, like what we saw in November, is followed by a steep decrease."

South Africa's R-naught rate, which has been falling since the start of December, has finally broken back below 1.

[Hondaracer]

With my completely uninformed opinion, I gotta say, this kinda feels like the beginning of the end of Covid (hopefully)

Want short term pain for long term gain? Let society live life and get infected.

[westopher]

This variant might have even decided that for us. Unless we go full JDMdreams, we are still gonna get exposed to it. If it’s transmissible enough to get through the lines of defence, maybe this will be the end. I certainly hope the people we care about aren’t the collateral damage though.

[Traum]

When I saw that news this morning, the first thing that came to mind was -- what has S.Africa done to change the trajectory of the new Omicron cases? Is Omicron just fizzling out on its own? Did S.Africa impose some sort of anti-COVID measure, esp if they are novel?

Since Omicron's emergence, the only certainty that I can establish from various reputable media sources is its hyper transmissibility. Even among the reputable news sources, there are differing and somewhat contradictory reports from different parts of the world on its virulence. So I can't get an accurate reading on WTH is going on with this variant.

Originally Posted by GGnoRE

Encouraging development in South Africa. Cases are plunging and it seems like the wave might be a short one (blue line cases, red line deaths).

[SkinnyPupp]

Study just came out that Omicron is milder than Delta (as we'd suspected) however it's WAY more contagious. And "milder" doesn't mean "doesn't really matter" to people who are susceptible.

UK is over 100K per day now, and even if it's milder, it's still a huge issue. what's happening there WILL happen around the world.. By ratio, US will be getting 500K cases per day, about twice as their highest amount during the peak.

It's crucial that people get their 3rd vaccine, especially if they're in a risk group for getting hit hard by covid. Noting will stop this from being a huge wave, but efforts should be taken to slow it as much as possible, and prevent hospitals from getting destroyed.

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[whitev70r]

Resistance is futile ...

Trying to NOT get omicron may be the wrong strategy if you're double vaccinated. If you're double vaccinated, stats are on your side, hope that it's mild and you don't have to be hospitalized. Out for 2-3 days over the holidays ... then you'll be ready and super-immunized for the sigma variant.

I'm seriously thinking of NOT getting 3rd shot ... you're going to get Covid, it's just a matter of when.

[CivicBlues]

YES we all want the booster, but most of us under-65 or non-CEV in BC aren't even going to be getting invites until January! My parents only got theirs this Weekend, for instance.

Originally Posted by whitev70r

Resistance is futile ...

Trying to NOT get omicron may be the wrong strategy if you're double vaccinated. If you're double vaccinated, stats are on your side, hope that it's mild and you don't have to be hospitalized. Then you'll be ready and super-immunized for the sigma variant.

I'm seriously thinking of NOT getting 3rd shot ... you're going to get it, it's a matter of when.

Just get the fucking booster, you're not "tougher" for toughing out an infection. If you don't get sick you still have immunity (your body just fights it off more effectively) plus you'll have the added benefit of not spreading it around to those less equipped to deal with it.

[whitev70r]

^ It's not a tough man argument that I may pass on the 3rd.

[twitchyzero]

omicron may be on its way out by the time youre up for the booster