coronavirus discussion

[MarkyMark]

"How can you pay them back $18,500 when you have no income?"

You basically had no income beforehand what the fuck did you do with the $18,500 you otherwise wouldn't have had?

[EvoFire]

Originally Posted by CRS

Another person who can't pay back their ($18,500) CERB despite making less than $5,000 last year.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/princ...back-1.5838395

It feels like these "small business" owners are just tax evasion experts that want to have their cake and eat it too.

[68style]

I used to work in child tax benefit investigations and it should be of no surprise to any of you that people who are poor managers of money don’t suddenly become good at managing it when they get sudden sums of it.

We used to get guys apply for their kids and say they had custody for like 2 years and want back pay, successfully provide “evidence” and get paid out and then find out they lied and have to take it back and it would have been all gone already and then we’d be left with garnishing wages and whatever else.

[Zedbra]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

Vaccines are needed to eliminate the virus... Everyone becomes immune, the virus can't spread, old people (and everyone else) are safe.

You're talking about 12K deaths like it's nothing

No. You made that assumption. I spoke facts and you spoke opinion, like that matters.

[Zedbra]

Originally Posted by CivicBlues

Lol, as if Very Conservative Men would even go to a doctor to get diagnosed. It's not part of their cultural coda "man-up, don't be a pussy".

Wow. Hate it up. Think it's partisan cool to laugh at others.

[westopher]

Originally Posted by welfare

I know the article is intending to draw sympathy but it's a little tough to see someone going from $400/month or less to over $3000, as a victim, because they're asked to pay it back.
Nice touch the MP explaining how to cook the books and cheat the system at the end too.

I mean, how can you rely on a business that essentially made you nothing to begin with?
To be fair though, there is a possibility that SOME of these people are newly self employed that opened their business and invested, took a loss in their first year with the plan to have it as an actual income (after eating through savings coming from previous income) but I definitely don't think that's the norm here.

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by Zedbra

No. You made that assumption. I spoke facts and you spoke opinion, like that matters.

You were being flippant and sarcastic about the deaths 10s of thousands of Canadian seniors.

[CRS]

Originally Posted by MarkyMark

"How can you pay them back $18,500 when you have no income?"

You basically had no income beforehand what the fuck did you do with the $18,500 you otherwise wouldn't have had?

Originally Posted by EvoFire

It feels like these "small business" owners are just tax evasion experts that want to have their cake and eat it too.

Originally Posted by 68style

I used to work in child tax benefit investigations and it should be of no surprise to any of you that people who are poor managers of money don’t suddenly become good at managing it when they get sudden sums of it.

We used to get guys apply for their kids and say they had custody for like 2 years and want back pay, successfully provide “evidence” and get paid out and then find out they lied and have to take it back and it would have been all gone already and then we’d be left with garnishing wages and whatever else.

Originally Posted by westopher

I mean, how can you rely on a business that essentially made you nothing to begin with?
To be fair though, there is a possibility that SOME of these people are newly self employed that opened their business and invested, took a loss in their first year with the plan to have it as an actual income (after eating through savings coming from previous income) but I definitely don't think that's the norm here.

People just have no shame. How do you go on CBC or any other news outlet with a straight face and play the victim?

Like holy fuck, you went from earning peanuts to earning more than 7 times your income. How the fuck were you living or how were you living when you made 7 times more?!

Christmas is cancelled? Fuck off.

[SkinnyPupp]

Twitter

[6793026]

i work in the pay industry and HOLY F, you'll be surprised the number of people who has to garnish salaries nowsdays.

1) back in our dad's era,people live within their means
2) now, teens - 40 has a chunk of garnishing salary due to credit card bills / child support

I won't be surprised due to covid, people will have to back pay on shit and people are going to have to have legal actions forced by their employers to garnish salaries.

[quasi]

Originally Posted by 6793026

i work in the pay industry and HOLY F, you'll be surprised the number of people who has to garnish salaries nowsdays.

1) back in our dad's era,people live within their means
2) now, teens - 40 has a chunk of garnishing salary due to credit card bills / child support

I won't be surprised due to covid, people will have to back pay on shit and people are going to have to have legal actions forced by their employers to garnish salaries.

I used to see some for sure when my dad had his construction company. They wouldn't last long because the first time someone got garnished they'd quit and go work somewhere else and the chase game would continue. Most the time it was the Govt. because lots of these shit rats work sub contract and pay their own taxes except many of them don't pay their taxes. They just bounce company to company and eventually they just leave the area and start over in a new one. It's kind of pathetic really.

[RiceIntegraRS]

If you ever been suckered into going to a pyramid, mlm or even any of those new companies where u have to sell your friends shit. 1 of the things they teach u is that u "pay yourself" before paying anything else off with ur paycheque (rent, credit card bills, ect.). As u know some people are too stupid realise how bad that concept really is and some take it 1 step further and buy frivolous things and say thats investing in themselves

[unit]

i hired a guy who was pretty flakey, but when he was working he was a fast learner. too bad that lasted 2 days. he's about a 45yo guy i'd guess.

-first day he shows up late, i let it slide because we really needed a guy.
-second day he comes on time and shows promise, but he says he has to leave early tomorrow (third day).
-third day he works till 12, then at night i miss 2 calls from him.
-fourth day i get a call from him at 8am saying he tried to tell me the other night he couldn't come today.
-fifth day (friday) he doesn't show up to work so i call him and let him go. he's literally begging me for his job, saying he needs it really bad. i told him that you don't act like you need it really bad... in 5 days you worked less than 20 hours..

2 weeks later i get a letter in the mail saying to withhold his pay and send it to child support, he owes $45k. pretty sure he was addicted to drugs or alcohol as well. one of the other guys told me he smelled like liquor on his first and second day, but when i confronted him about it he said he drinks but not at work (fucking duh).

[Hondaracer]

All those ppl are exactly the same and none of them ever have their priorities straight.

Had the exact same scenario with a labourer I had at my last job, the guy was ALWAYS bitching about his situation with his seperated wife and kids and having to provide for them etc.

However, work seemed like the least of his concerns and there were constant calls about how he couldn’t come in today because he had to bring his kids to school etc.

Well, it should be much easier to provide for them now that you’re fired.

[StylinRed]

Mutated strain in the UK spreading quickly in southern England 1000+ cases so far identified, they're saying not to be alarmed because they don't know if the mutation is significant yet

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55308211

[CivicBlues]

Originally Posted by Zedbra

Wow. Hate it up. Think it's partisan cool to laugh at others.

What's "partisan cool"? You just make that up?

It's not me laughing, it's conservatives who are the ones constantly belittling and demeaning people who seek mental health support.

[bcedhk]

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5840802

This might be worse than COVID.

2020 sucks

[Hondaracer]

So relatively strict measures for more than a month now, yet the deaths going up more per day than ever.

And we’re still not addressing where all the deaths are happening, well done.

[JDMDreams]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/globaln...te-dec-14/amp/

O so still 700+ a day and over 100 dead a week

[Teriyaki]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

So relatively strict measures for more than a month now, yet the deaths going up more per day than ever.

And we’re still not addressing where all the deaths are happening, well done.

Deaths is concerning but a very laggard indicator, how lagged I have no clue.

Not sure what the average hospital stay time per patient and average time from intake to release/death looks like.

[Hondaracer]

So hypothetical scenario..

The vaccine provides protection against serious symptoms/cases. However, it doesn’t protect from transmission and it’s not necessarily effective in preventing deaths (as in you’re 85 years old and you’ve had the vaccine but you still get it and die, even though your symptoms were relatively minimal it was enough to kill you.

Everyone’s getting vaccines but we’re still seeing weeks of 30/40/50 deaths

Now what? If those BCCDC numbers show that virtually no one under the age of 50 dies/is hospitalized/admitted to ICU but the numbers are virtually the same as they are now for the 70+ crowd, are we still stuck in this lock down scenario? Because that seems like a potential possibility given the unknowns of the efficacy..

[Great68]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

The vaccine provides protection against serious symptoms/cases. However, it doesn’t protect from transmission

What has been stated is that they don't have enough data to make a call on how much it impacts transmission, meaning it wasn't a primary focus of the testing regime (Which was vaccine efficacy and safety). They never said it doesn't stop transmission at all.

[Hondaracer]

seems like kind of an important thing to deduct from a 44,000 person test group no?

to circle back around on the discussion on previous pages, the test groups for the vaccine were more than enough to convince people its safe, but it wasn't adequate to determine the efficacy in preventing transmission?

[Great68]

Like I said, they had certain testing and data they had to prioritize, efficacy and safety for general adults.

This is why the Vaccine is not yet approved to administer to pregnant women and children under 16. Not because it's inherently unsafe but because they haven't done enough testing and gather enough data to pass the requirements.

I'm sure transmission rates after being vaccinated is something they will still test and develop certifiable data for.

[RRxtar]

so what was the efficacy they tested for and what was the goal? that 95% of people didn't die? that 95% of people had mild symptoms? from what i understand, pfizer says they
dont even know if the vaccine actually prevents you from getting sick or if it just makes symptoms milder. all they've proven is that 95% of people have an antibody response to the vaccine.