[parm104]

Rumors are that there may have been a shooting in Langley, Willobrook Mall.

[jjson]

suspects are now at lougheed/north road
http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/229352_10150156843896901_514481900_7131267_5294868 _n.jpg

[AAnthony]

Police shut down an entrance to the Willowbrook Mall in Langley Thursday afternoon as they investigated an armed robbery.

Cpl. Holly Marks told CTV News at least one shot was fired during a robbery at the Golden Tree Jewellers.

No one was injured.

A witness inside the mall said there were three men trying to rob the store. A mall patron was sprayed with bear repellent when they tried to grab one of the suspects.

Marks said several people were treated for eye irritation by BC Ambulance Service.

The suspects are still at large.

Marks said investigators needed to interview "literally dozens" of witnesses that were inside the mall at the time.

[Ch28]

@24hoursvan (http://twitter.com/24hoursvan): Cops have arrested 6 men at North Road and Lougheed in Coquitlam after jewelry store robbery at Willowbrook Mall in Langley.

[Mr.C]

First time I've seen police with rifles here. Felt just like home, in a bad sort of way.

[InvisibleSoul]

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/229352_10150156843896901_514481900_7131267_5294868 _n.jpg

Game Over.

[Greenstoner]

^ woah thats pretty crazy to see that in local

i wouldnt want them to fire anything behind my car tho :D

[adambomb]

The names of those who got arrested and are now facing charges.


The men are facing the following charges:

— Dale Patrick Weinmeyer, 31, of Vancouver, is facing charges of restricted or prohibited weapon for robbery, reckless use of a firearm, possession of a prohibited or restricted weapon and possession of an unlicensed, prohibited or restricted weapon.

— Lesley Ladouceur, 33, of Caslan, Alta., is facing charges of use of a restricted or prohibited weapon for robbery and assault with a weapon.

— Christopher Leon Reinke, 35, of Surrey, has been charged with use of a restricted or prohibited weapon for robbery.

— Ian Jeffrey Hornal, 44, of Surrey, has been charged with use of a restricted or prohibited weapon for robbery.

— Aras Ahmed-Kadir, 23, of Surrey, has been charged with use of a restricted or prohibited weapon for robbery.

— Paul Rego, 31, of Burnaby, has been charged with use of a restricted or prohibited weapon for robbery.

— Hendren Saleh Abbas, 20, of Surrey, has been charged with use of a restricted or prohibited weapon for robbery.

— Leonard Cardinal, 31, of no fixed address, has been charged with use of a restricted or prohibited weapon for robbery.



Read more: http://www.theprovince.com/news/charged+Langley+jewlery+store+robbery/4742635/story.html#ixzz1Lcy6rLO3

[dogeatcookie]

Lol Surrey

[RiP LL]

1 wurd STOP SNITCHING=NO 6 UNDER RIP

[StylinRed]

1 wurd STOP SNITCHING=NO 6 UNDER RIP



^^^the fuck???

[rocksforsale]

^ LOL you should read his other post that bumped a thread from 05, the one in fight club

[rsx]

You'd think that if they're pulling out m4's they'd create a more secure perimeter for the public...

[dignatas]

You'd think that if they're pulling out m4's they'd create a more secure perimeter for the public...

lol m4... where are you? in the year 2000 playing counter strike? :troll:

[ruthless]

bump...
Shooting in Whalley today
http://www.bclocalnews.com/surrey_area/surreyleader/news/124522994.html
At least one person is dead after a shooting in North Surrey.

Witnesses are reporting that between 12 and 20 shots were heard in rapid succession near 131 Street and 111 Avenue on Friday at about 3:30 p.m.

Police have confirmed that one person was shot and killed.

RCMP Sgt. Peter Thiessen confirmed the fatality.

"I've been called by Surrey to take over a homicide investigation," Thiessen said Friday. "I can confirm there is one deceased as a result of the homicide. Beyond that, I'm not in a position to confirm anything further."

Yellow police tarps were laid in several spots near the crime scene, one of them over a body leaning against a pole.

A witness said that the body was pulled from one of two SUVs that appear to be of interest to police.

Both have yellow tarps over one of their doors.

More details will be reportered as they become known.

[StylinRed]

^^ in the commenting section of news articles/blogs people are saying its someone named "Steven Kandola"

[snowball]

News1130radio News1130
Vancouver Police confirm one man has died after getting shot just after 10:00pm in the Champlain Heights neighbourhood.

[Bahhbeehhaaaa]

gang related?

[Bahhbeehhaaaa]

lol m4... where are you? in the year 2000 playing counter strike? :troll:

hahahha!!~ but the M4s / M16s are still very effective rifles due to their high accuracy.

Edit: + light weight.

[AAnthony]

^ good comeback, too bad you didn't think of it 2 months ago....

Kinda happy to see this threads slowed down, but @ the same time still want them to whack each other a bit more

[Razor Ramon HG]

Deadly shooting in Vancouver - News1130 (http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/258095--deadly-shooting-in-vancouver)

Deadly shooting in Vancouver
A man is dead following a shooting late Monday night in the Champlain Heights neighbourhood

VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - Police tape is up on Arlington Street in Champlain Heights after a fatal shooting. A man believed to be in his twenties was rushed to hospital but has died.

Vancouver Police say several callers to 9-1-1 reported hearing what sounded like several people fighting and then multiple gun shots.

Ranna lives in the area and was watching TV when she thought she heard firecrackers outside. "We heard about three shots fired and when we came outside there were already cops there so I think they maybe were expecting it."

The Emergency Response Team is in Champlain Heights hunting for possible suspects. Police dogs are also being used. No word if this is gang related.

[dlo]

Friend said he heard gunshots near 41st n oak and police sirens, any words on that?
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[Culverin]

I'm hoping it's another ganger dead, please please don't be an innocent.
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[StylinRed]

guess this suv was involved?


http://media.greenradio.topscms.com/images/2f/58/ae68bb9642df816cd7b836f9cdde.jpeg

its a pic from the news1130 article

[snowball]

guess this suv was involved?


http://media.greenradio.topscms.com/images/2f/58/ae68bb9642df816cd7b836f9cdde.jpeg

its a pic from the news1130 article

Looks like the corner of Arlington St & Whithorn Ct

http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=whithorn+at+arlington&hl=en&ll=49.220169,-123.030041&spn=0.002081,0.011362&sll=49.220137,-123.030046&sspn=0.006295,0.006295&layer=c&cbp=13,265.21,,0,7.93&cbll=49.22017,-123.030041&z=17&panoid=EyfTcWfzVgOWyWI5hqGpUg

[spideyv2]

That's fucked up..I used to have soccer practice when i was waaaay younger at that park

[kouki_monster]

I live literally 30 seconds drive from there, police were rushing in non stop.. sirens were starting to piss me off, no silence for a good 4 hours. At least I know why now.

[Spectre_Cdn]

Child shot in Steveston - News1130 (http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/260640--child-shot-in-steveston)

RICHMOND (NEWS1130) - A child has been taken to the hospital after a shooting in the Steveston area.

There's no word on the child's age or condition.

Mounties are expected to be at Whistler Court near Steveston Highway and Gilbert Road through the afternoon.


...except Gilbert @ Steveston Hwy isn't exactly in "Steveston" but anyway...

[drunkrussian]

^wtf!! terrible...and very strange area for a shooting
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[seakrait]

Child shot in Steveston - News1130 (http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/260640--child-shot-in-steveston)

RICHMOND (NEWS1130) - A child has been taken to the hospital after a shooting in the Steveston area.

There's no word on the child's age or condition.

Mounties are expected to be at Whistler Court near Steveston Highway and Gilbert Road through the afternoon.


...except Gilbert @ Steveston Hwy isn't exactly in "Steveston" but anyway...

crazy. i used to live a block away from there. :(

[LP700-4]

So thats why there was 4 consecutive police cars heading down oak......

[Bonjour43MA]

5 wounded in Kelowna, B.C., shooting - British Columbia - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2011/08/14/bc-four-shot-kelowna.html?ref=rss)

Five people were shot outside a hotel and casino in Kelowna just before 3 p.m. PT on Sunday.

The five, including one in critical condition, have been taken to hospital following the incident outside 1300 Water Street in downtown Kelowna, the British Columbia Ambulance Service said.

Wounds to the other four were less serious, the service said.

Eddie Shortidge of Calgary is visiting Kelowna and heard the shots fired.

"It was like two bursts of submachine-gun fire and then that was it," he said. "I have a bit of a military background so I knew what it was straight away."
The apparent targets of the shooting were in a white vehicle. Five people, one of them critically injured, were taken to hospital. The apparent targets of the shooting were in a white vehicle. Five people, one of them critically injured, were taken to hospital. (CBC)

RCMP are looking for the suspects.


Shooting outside of a casino... I"m surprised we don't hear about this more often. Just another case where it shows how useless the gun registry is in "preventing crime, making the public safer for all".

[StylinRed]

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/topstories/2011/08/14/mi-bc-20110814-kelowna-shooting-white-vehicle.jpg

lexus?




One dead, several hurt in shooting outside Kelowna Casino

http://www.theprovince.com/news/5254257.bin

A gunshot victim lays outside Lake City Casino in Kelowna on Sunday Aug. 14, 2011, after a driveby shooting.
Photograph by: Don Sipos, For The Province

Six people were taken to hospital Sunday after a daylight shooting outside the Lake City Casino in Kelowna that has left one of the victims dead.

B.C. Ambulance spokeswoman Kelsie Carwithen confirmed that paramedics responded to a call in the 1300-block of Water Street at 3 p.m., and transported six patients - one in critical condition - to Kelowna General Hospital.

The victims are believed to have been inside a vehicle that was shot shortly after it pulled into the casino parking lot.

One witness said the weapon used was an AK-47, with up to 30 rounds being fired. Photos from the scene show a white, four-door vehicle with at least five bullet holes.

Photos from the scene also show paramedics tending to a male victim with closely cropped, dark brown hair and large, coloured tattoos on his arms and chest. He appeared to have wounds on his left arm and leg.

Another victim was a woman with blonde hair.

It is believed there was only one shooter, who was in a vehicle following the victim’s vehicle prior to the attack.

Neither the police nor casino have commented on the shooting.
© Copyright (c) The Province

Read more: http://www.theprovince.com/news/dead+several+hurt+shooting+outside+Kelowna+Casino/5254214/story.html#ixzz1V3WGwnQZ

[Bonjour43MA]

It sucks when there's news about shooting incidents, people's first reaction is "ban guns! omg! people shouldn't own guns! guns are bad!" without giving it some more thoughts on this issue... 99.99999999% of legal gun owners in Canada don't use their guns for criminal activities, yet the government (at least the liberals) kept tightening control on legal gun ownership. Umm, last time I checked, criminals don't care about laws so any form of regulation on legal gun ownership is targeting the WRONG crowd.

I'd be interested to know more details about this shooting, though. Sounds like illegal guns (not registered, automatic) were used according to that witness.

[LP700-4]

lexus?
Looks like a Cayenne

[MTV Cribs]

One of the injured is a Bacon
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[Sid Vicious]

It sucks when there's news about shooting incidents, people's first reaction is "ban guns! omg! people shouldn't own guns! guns are bad!" without giving it some more thoughts on this issue... 99.99999999% of legal gun owners in Canada don't use their guns for criminal activities, yet the government (at least the liberals) kept tightening control on legal gun ownership. Umm, last time I checked, criminals don't care about laws so any form of regulation on legal gun ownership is targeting the WRONG crowd.

I'd be interested to know more details about this shooting, though. Sounds like illegal guns (not registered, automatic) were used according to that witness.

people are morons who want to be babysat by the gov't

drugs are dangerous...make em illegal
guns are dangerous...make em illegal
junk food is bad...tax it

[Bonjour43MA]

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/2049/journalistsguide.jpg

[cliffhanger33]

Shooting at Surrey jewelry store, employee shot

Surrey jewelry store employee shot - British Columbia - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2011/08/14/bc-jewelry-store-armed-robbery.html)
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[StylinRed]

Looks like a Cayenne

didnt think they had a chrome strip on the bottom?


nother pic

http://www.theprovince.com/news/5254354.bin?size=620x400
http://media.bclocalnews.com/images/58106kelownaGrandshooting.jpg

/shrug

[Bonjour43MA]

Shooting at Surrey jewelry store, employee shot

Surrey jewelry store employee shot - British Columbia - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2011/08/14/bc-jewelry-store-armed-robbery.html)
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If only he was able to arm himself to protect his life... thankfully he wasn't critically wounded.

When are people in Canada, espeically politicians and police, going to realize that the right to protect yourself with deadly force is the BEST deterrent for potential crimes? Stats for the US have shown that potential crimes have been averted when the victims simply pulls a gun on the attackers? Not even a need to fire a shot!

[LP700-4]

didnt think they had a chrome strip on the bottom?


nother pic

http://www.theprovince.com/news/5254354.bin?size=620x400
http://media.bclocalnews.com/images/58106kelownaGrandshooting.jpg

/shrug
Yea thats a Cayenne for sure

[StylinRed]

http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/264157--bacon-brother-among-six-injured-in-kelowna-shooting-sources


Bacon brother among six injured in Kelowna shooting: sources
News1130 Staff Aug 14, 2011 15:44:35 PM

KELOWNA (NEWS1130) - News1130 has learned Jonathan Bacon is among the six people injured in a mass shooting in Kelowna, according to inside sources.

Police have not confirmed any details, and the Bacon family's lawyer, Kimberly Eldred, has refused to comment.

Witnesses say men dressed in black wearing face masks opened fire with an automatic weapon on a vehicle near the Lake City Casino in Kelowna around 3 p.m., injuring six people.

Kelsey Carwithen of the British Columbia Ambulance Service says at least one person suffered serious injuries.

News1130 spoke with Kelowna reporter James Moore of AM 1150 radio, who was on the scene on Water Street speaking to witnesses.

"Somebody saw men dressed in black, in black face masks, with automatic weapons open fire on a small, white vehicle in front of the casino," he says.

"Right now, people are telling me that those men were seen leaving the scene in a dark-coloured SUV, and police are looking for that right now."

The whole area is roped off with yellow tape, and was attended by police, fire crews and ambulances.

(With files from The Canadian Press)

[Bonjour43MA]

^^^ They're now saying that he died from his injuries.

Gangsters shooting at gangsters...

[StylinRed]

yeah the latest article from theprovince says 1 is dead wonder if its him

[vafanculo]

I know a life is a life, but that picture above showing a tattied douchebag laying on the street with bullet holes, puts a smile on my face.
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[shawnly1000]

Bacon brother dead, 5 others injured in shooting: sources - News1130 (http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/264157--bacon-brother-dead-5-others-injured-in-shooting-sources)

Seems like it was indeed a Bacon that bit the dust

[drunkrussian]

bacon bits

[dlo]

1 of the bacon brothers dead? sounds like another repeat of the gang war we had lol... hopefully not

[jigga250]

didnt think they had a chrome strip on the bottom?


nother pic

http://www.theprovince.com/news/5254354.bin?size=620x400
http://media.bclocalnews.com/images/58106kelownaGrandshooting.jpg

/shrug


srsly? What Lexus could that possibly be? Its clearly a cayenne. Probably not unlike the one that got shot up when that kid was just driving it to do a stereo install for one of the bacons

http://vancouver.24hrs.ca/News/local/2011/01/24/17019041.html

[StylinRed]

i didnt say lexus based off of those pictures..... that came out afterwards

quote the right one...

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/topstories/2011/08/14/mi-bc-20110814-kelowna-shooting-white-vehicle.jpg

lexus?

[2damaxmr2]

If only he was able to arm himself to protect his life... thankfully he wasn't critically wounded.

When are people in Canada, espeically politicians and police, going to realize that the right to protect yourself with deadly force is the BEST deterrent for potential crimes? Stats for the US have shown that potential crimes have been averted when the victims simply pulls a gun on the attackers? Not even a need to fire a shot!

Amen brother. Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

[gary92]

I know a life is a life, but that picture above showing a tattied douchebag laying on the street with bullet holes, puts a smile on my face.
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brb judging a guy because of his tattoos.

[2damaxmr2]

^ It is proven the injured are gang members.

[Ford_Fanatic]

Jon Bacon Gunned Down; Larry Amero in Critical Condition - The Real Scoop (http://communities.canada.com/vancouversun/blogs/realscoop/archive/2011/08/14/jon-bacon-gunned-down-larry-amero-in-critical-condition.aspx)

[scottsman]

Damn, wonder if shit will hit the fan in Vancouver again. Not so much because of the Bacon Bro getting killed but the fact that the others hit were HA affiliated or members. Took some balls by the shooter(s) and whomever they are with.

[spideyv2]

Jon Bacon Gunned Down; Larry Amero in Critical Condition - The Real Scoop (http://communities.canada.com/vancouversun/blogs/realscoop/archive/2011/08/14/jon-bacon-gunned-down-larry-amero-in-critical-condition.aspx)

damn..shit's gonna go down

[XplicitLuder]

lol Larry guy went to my gym...he's massive. i better still see him!

[Jegz]

RIP

think a war is coming up

[haha13]

shits going down

[StylinRed]

supposedly that Larry guy died in Hospital too (according to comments section in articles)

and a senior HA members niece was hit too (according to that Bolan post)


and the supposed getaway car was torched



reading the comments section can be more interesting than the articles but its also filled with so much bs

[Disillusion_10]

Is Vancouver/Kelowna going to make it on CNN news again?

Hopefully this drives down the freakin housing market prices!!
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[scottsman]

RIP

think a war is coming up

RIP? Not sure if cereal. :fulloffuck:

[Jegz]

RIP? Not sure if cereal. :fulloffuck:

a life is a life

[scottsman]

R.I.P. is an abbreviation for requiescat in pace ("may he rest in peace", often, though somewhat inaccurately, translated as rest in peace), a short epitaph or idiom used to express wishes of eternal rest and peace for a person who has died (and therefore seen frequently on gravestones).

No doubt I feel some sense of remorse for the family and friends of this guy but to wish him RIP is ridiculous. Sorry but in this world there are people who do not deserve to "rest in peace" and this is one of those people. People like the Bacon Brothers lead the life they live and know full well the consequences that it brings. Absolutely no remorse for him at all.

A life is a life so where do you draw the line when wishing R.I.P to someone who has passed?

[Culverin]

I am possibly oversimplifying things. But at some point, is it not worth it for 1 gang with a lot internal muscle to just end another gang?

A pair of snipers posted outside a known location the opposition leaders frequent. pop-pop, pop-pop. If they are able to take down 2-3 actual leaders, I'm wondering why they aren't going about it. I would assume that an established gang would at least have some professionals.

Just seems retarded to me that all these hits are always trying to make a statement. A statement would be to hose down upper lieutenants and other enforcers so "if you hang out with our enemy, fear for your life". But it seems sometimes "making a statement" is pointless. Aren't they driven by greed and trying to turn a profit that the opposition is cutting in on?

If anybody can help enlighten me to how these gangs are thinking, please do let me know.

[adambomb]

^^
you watch too many movies and play too many video games.

Snipers? Professionals? Statements? Next thing you'll be asking for the kill cam in this shooting or asking why doesn't someone just hire some ex-navy seals. :gun:

[StylinRed]

A life is a life so where do you draw the line when wishing R.I.P to someone who has passed?

why would you draw a line?



I am possibly oversimplifying things. But at some point, is it not worth it for 1 gang with a lot internal muscle to just end another gang?

A pair of snipers posted outside a known location the opposition leaders frequent. pop-pop, pop-pop. If they are able to take down 2-3 actual leaders, I'm wondering why they aren't going about it. I would assume that an established gang would at least have some professionals.

Just seems retarded to me that all these hits are always trying to make a statement. A statement would be to hose down upper lieutenants and other enforcers so "if you hang out with our enemy, fear for your life". But it seems sometimes "making a statement" is pointless. Aren't they driven by greed and trying to turn a profit that the opposition is cutting in on?

If anybody can help enlighten me to how these gangs are thinking, please do let me know.

this isn't Mexico, Colombia, Golden Triangle, etc etc etc

[Culverin]

Well, obviously the movies are unrealistic.

Here's how I see it...

Drive-by:


target location known
target is at least vulnerable to encroaching on perimeter (seems to be approachable, at least by car)
attacker is exposed
defenders can react before first shot
attacker can be identified be identified (by return shot blood, vehicle)
identified attackers can be in turn targeted for revenge or legal action
effective with automatic weapons, less so with hunting rifles


"sniping", let's say from a couple houses down, 2nd floor bedroom.


target location known
attacker is hidden
defender cannot react before first shot
attacker cannot be identified easily
more effective with the more restricted weapons here in canada. Just a good hunting rifle would easily do the trick.



This leads me to the conclusion that the only reason to do drive-by is if they are trying to make a show of strength or a statement of "you shot our guy, we're going to get you back and you'll know it was us". Aside from that, hiding out makes a lot more sense to me.


And when I say professionals, I don't mean a contract killer on retainer, but somebody who knows their guns, and knows how to attack.


And yes, a kill cam uploaded to youtube, that thing would go VIRAL.

[Hondaracer]

They do drive bys and run up to vehicles because the people who are the shooters obviously don't give a fuck, they aren't trained navy seal snipers, they are guys with money on their mind and a gun in their hand, jus pawns given money to go take someone out

Lol @ "sniping"... The second somone heard one round from any sort of decent rifle they would be gone, so you better make that 1 shot count
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[DC5-S]

A guy at my work knew 2 of them.. wonder if he knew the one that died

[originalhypa]

Lol @ "sniping"... The second somone heard one round from any sort of decent rifle they would be gone,

Witnesses said the shooter was firing from the hip. That's a rookie move right there, since you have little control over where the bullets are going. It looks pretty fucking cool though.

[gdoh]

^thats what i dont get why would you fire from hip too look cool and miss lol do the job right and aim with control

[Gumby]

"sniping", let's say from a couple houses down, 2nd floor bedroom.
How would you get into a neighbouring building with your gun case - a building you probably don't own?

[SumAznGuy]

How would you get into a neighbouring building with your gun case - a building you probably don't own?

He would use his gun and shoot out the locks on the door to gain access to the building.
Then hide the gun under his coat like in "Heat" and then take the elevator to the top floor to snipe. :troll:

[minoru_tanaka]

How would you get into a neighbouring building with your gun case - a building you probably don't own?

With Ghost Pro

[drunkrussian]

I am possibly oversimplifying things. But at some point, is it not worth it for 1 gang with a lot internal muscle to just end another gang?

A pair of snipers posted outside a known location the opposition leaders frequent. pop-pop, pop-pop. If they are able to take down 2-3 actual leaders, I'm wondering why they aren't going about it. I would assume that an established gang would at least have some professionals.

Just seems retarded to me that all these hits are always trying to make a statement. A statement would be to hose down upper lieutenants and other enforcers so "if you hang out with our enemy, fear for your life". But it seems sometimes "making a statement" is pointless. Aren't they driven by greed and trying to turn a profit that the opposition is cutting in on?

If anybody can help enlighten me to how these gangs are thinking, please do let me know.

the whole nature of gangs is symbolic. Take the russian or italian mob - they divide territory and for hte most part, don't bother each other, because they put business first. But everytime they do whack a guy, it's always the most outrageous, ridiculous shit, with public shootings and things stuffed in orafaces etc. And this i the mafia - not some schoolboy gang bullshit. So really, it's just the way it is, it's all about respect and showing what a bigger douche you are over the smaller douche.

[vitaminG]

Im sure the gun was registered, it should be an open and shut case.

[7seven]

Targeted gang shooting in Surrey
Happened less than 24 hours after Jonathan Bacon killed
News1130 Staff Aug 16, 2011 06:36:06 AM
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Suspects sought after Bacon killed
SURREY (NEWS1130) - Less than 48 hours after Jonathan Bacon was gunned down in Kelowna, Mounties say a shooting last night in Surrey targeted a couple of men with well-known gang connections.

Around 10:40 p.m. RCMP were flooded with tons of 911 calls about shots being fired at 101 Avenue and 153rd Street.

The main concern for neighbours is whether this targeted shooting is connected to Bacon's death. "It's too early to tell and definitely investigators will be looking at that," says Inspector Randall Marquardt.

He adds two or three people and a car were shot at last night. The victims, who have gang affiliations, have minor injuries and are being interviewed by police.

"With what's going on in the Lower Mainland, I think all the police agencies are vigilant and we'll continue to do so as we move through the next few weeks," adds Marquardt.

No arrests have been made as the gunman ran off. Mounties are asking for any witnesses to give them a call.

'The Wolfpack'

New details about Sunday's shooting in Kelowna suggest some of the gang members in the targeted SUV in Kelowna were in the process of a super gang.

In "The Hangover" Zach Galifianakis' character forms a bond with his friends and dubs them "The Wolfpack."

Vancouver Sun crime reporter Kim Bolan says the loosely aligned gang of Red Scorpion Jonathan Bacon, Hells Angel Larry Amero and James Riach who was linked to the Independent Soldiers, took up the new name.

"These three organizations and these three individuals had formed a new criminal alliance. And all three of those guys were in the vehicle that was targeted."

Riach is believed to be the man who was injured in the shooting, but took off before Mounties arrived.


Targeted gang shooting in Surrey - News1130 (http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/264619--targeted-gang-shooting-in-surrey)

[gdoh]

inb4surreyisashithole

lol wolfpack and hangover references
http://cms.teotrack.com/images/Cache/7854x590y590.jpg

[dogeatcookie]

Heard 6 gun shots last night, but no sound of siren after that, I thought it was just some Surrey jack and shooting his gun all over the place.

[invader]

Ctv says it was outside a nightclub?
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[Spidey]

anyone else NOT feel sorry for the gf that got paralyzed in the Kelowna shooting?

She may have not "deserved" it, but she obviously wasn't bright.

[Spidey]

Witnesses said the shooter was firing from the hip. That's a rookie move right there, since you have little control over where the bullets are going. It looks pretty fucking cool though.

If there was more than one shooter, and the guy is literally spraying the car with bullets (trying to shoot more than one person in less time), why wouldn't you spray and pray? If he shot one person at a time while aiming, there is a greater chance that one of the other guys could have pulled out a gun as well.

[Hondaracer]

If I had a 30 round mag and an SKS with the butt of the gun in my shoulder walking up to a vehicle people wouldn't last too long and Im 100% sure I'd be doing more damage than hip firing

With that said I've hunted all my life, but who knows what you're going to do with a gun in your hand outside a casino lol, your probably not thinking too clearly at that point
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[vafanculo]

anyone else NOT feel sorry for the gf that got paralyzed in the Kelowna shooting?

She may have not "deserved" it, but she obviously wasn't bright.

She was paralyzed? Either way, no. Hanging around with high profile gangsters is equivalent to those alligator trainers who put their heads inside of their mouths for show... Eventually your gonna get bitten,
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[minoru_tanaka]

anyone else NOT feel sorry for the gf that got paralyzed in the Kelowna shooting?

She may have not "deserved" it, but she obviously wasn't bright.

I'm going to assume she was enjoying hanging out with gangsters. Sharing in the power and money that they have. Do you think there would be all this gangster shit going on if there weren't all these hot looking, gangster loving bitches around?

[drunkrussian]

i feel that it's WRONG that she got shot in the sense that no human being deserves to be shot at unless they are at the moment putting someone in harm. Especially in a public place. And especially if they're not the gangster themselves.

With that said, I don't feel bad for her at all - it is entirely her fault as others have mentioned, and she is not an innocent bystander. She is an associate. Unfortunately after this incident or in 20 years, if she's not dead or addicted to drugs, she will realize that it was her own actions that put her in this place.

[minoru_tanaka]

As far as I know she didn't hurt anybody directly but

"In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women."

So you see it's the women who want the ill gotten money and power and it encourages men to kill each other. If all women thought, "This guy is a criminal, I'm not going to fuck him," then I doubt there would be many gangsters at all.

I guess I can't apply this to homosexuals gangs

[Supafly]

i feel that it's WRONG that she got shot in the sense that no human being deserves to be shot at unless they are at the moment putting someone in harm. Especially in a public place. And especially if they're not the gangster themselves.

With that said, I don't feel bad for her at all - it is entirely her fault as others have mentioned, and she is not an innocent bystander. She is an associate. Unfortunately after this incident or in 20 years, if she's not dead or addicted to drugs, she will realize that it was her own actions that put her in this place.

collateral damage....shit happens. I doubt the gunmen wanted to light her up too....but sometimes things go bad when a job needs to get done.

[6insomnia9]

There are going to be a lot of shootings soon...

[Redlines_Daily]

no "RIP" from me. Gangsters are scum..let them burn in hell, not rest in peace.

[Hondaracer]

The chick probably turned her nose up at alot of people when she was with those guys, now they can all look at her in a wheel chair and think karma hurts
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[7seven]

Ctv says it was outside a nightclub?
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Mirage

[StylinRed]

anyone else NOT feel sorry for the gf that got paralyzed in the Kelowna shooting?

She may have not "deserved" it, but she obviously wasn't bright.

where's it say someone was paralyzed?


edit:

There are reports one of the two women who were shot may have been left a quadriplegic after having a bullet removed from her neck.

http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/265009--high-police-presence-to-be-at-jonathan-bacon-s-funeral

ah, don't think anyone deserves that.

[tr0ubl3s0m3x]

If it weren't for women, gangsters wouldnt be so agressive with their dealings. Money is everything to them, and even moreso to their gfs. "Shit, the woman wants a range rover, LV everything, so I gotta do what I gotta do to give it to her." The majority of the money they make probably goes to their "down ass" bitch. I personally think that the women that got shot ARE part of the reasons why those guys were targetted. No one deserves to get shot, but if u play with fire, ure eventually gonna get burned.
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[Roach]

I have to agree with you guys. If these girls want to take advantage of the riches gained from a drug life, they are going to have to accept the risks. I can't say I have much sympathy.

http://a123.g.akamai.net/f/123/12465/1d/www.vancouversun.com/woman+killed+spray+gunfire+remembered+church+group/1325043/1295831.bin?size=620x400

Kev

[rsx]

Glad the bitch is left in a wheelchair. I just hate the fact that my tax money went to 7 hours of her stupid surgery.

I say execute all these "victims" on TV. The Police should be the top dog of the city, but they're letting all these little g's run around because they're "building a case" Kill em all, I say!

[drunkrussian]

If it weren't for women, gangsters wouldnt be so agressive with their dealings. Money is everything to them, and even moreso to their gfs. "Shit, the woman wants a range rover, LV everything, so I gotta do what I gotta do to give it to her." The majority of the money they make probably goes to their "down ass" bitch. I personally think that the women that got shot ARE part of the reasons why those guys were targetted. No one deserves to get shot, but if u play with fire, ure eventually gonna get burned.
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less rap music for u
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[dlo]

some of you guys are fuckin retarded or just not thinking straight, killing people on national tv? really? shit happened, you hang with guys who are targetted, expect to get shot, she didnt deserve the bullet to turn her into a quad, but thats what you get for hanging with them, shit happens, end of story, cant do much now but kill each other off, have fun

[ToneCapone]

If it weren't for women, gangsters wouldnt be so agressive with their dealings. Money is everything to them, and even moreso to their gfs. "Shit, the woman wants a range rover, LV everything, so I gotta do what I gotta do to give it to her." The majority of the money they make probably goes to their "down ass" bitch. I personally think that the women that got shot ARE part of the reasons why those guys were targetted. No one deserves to get shot, but if u play with fire, ure eventually gonna get burned.
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If you say the women are part of the reason because the guys have to support them then you can say so are their kids and family. The only difference is that women nag and have ridiculous expectations, but you can’t pin it on them to explain why they are so aggressive then get light up. To say "If it weren't for women, gangsters wouldn’t be so aggressive with their dealings" that’s a logical fallacy.

Most people turn to a life of crime because they want to do everything they can to support their loved ones. The possible motives for choosing to be what they are including the way they handle things are endless. In the long run... Yes, women heavily influence guys causing them to be more aggressive but so can so many other things.

[Hondaracer]

I would say the majority of people who turned to a life of crime dont have the education/ability to make decent money other than hard work, so working a phone and dropping some rocks is an easier way to make money than working on the rigs

[drunkrussian]

^yeah i don't buy the woman argument either.

people involved with this shit often have some of the following in common:
1. come from shitty neighourhood where it's either hard work and slow climb or fast money in crime
2. are genuinely stupid. they're just not smart.
3. are extremely insecure, such that they're succeptible to manipulation and peer pressure (why else do they all have tattoos and look like roid monkeys? cause the other guys did it too)
4. are a little bit crazy...probably due to upbringing
5. feel that due to reasons 1-4, society has turned its back on them and fast money, fast women, fast living is for them. They think they're cool.

really, though i'm sure they all enjoy their women, these guys are so about the family or about the gang, that they put it above any woman...it's like a gay thug bro code going on. Men who like women and get women put women above most other things. Gangsters put large tattood men over women. So do some gays. You've got it twisted.

[scottsman]

^^ aren't the Bacon's from a well to do family? or at least above middle class.

[drunkrussian]

^lol yeah thats why i said some because i knew right away that would be a good counterpoint hahahahaha. bit another way of lookig at it is that its aboutthe upbringing more so than a poor neogh ourhood. ie abusive parents or parents who condone gang activity. just speculating haha

a third way of looking at it is that abbotsford is a shithole lol
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[minoru_tanaka]

^yeah i don't buy the woman argument either.

people involved with this shit often have some of the following in common:
1. come from shitty neighourhood where it's either hard work and slow climb or fast money in crime
2. are genuinely stupid. they're just not smart.
3. are extremely insecure, such that they're succeptible to manipulation and peer pressure (why else do they all have tattoos and look like roid monkeys? cause the other guys did it too)
4. are a little bit crazy...probably due to upbringing
5. feel that due to reasons 1-4, society has turned its back on them and fast money, fast women, fast living is for them. They think they're cool.

1. From the suburbs
2. Organized and maintain a large criminal enterprise
3. they're the leaders so they're the ones doing the manipulating
4. raised by school teachers
really, though i'm sure they all enjoy their women, these guys are so about the family or about the gang, that they put it above any woman...it's like a gay thug bro code going on. Men who like women and get women put women above most other things. Gangsters put large tattood men over women. So do some gays. You've got it twisted.
They follow this code so seriously because the organization keeps the women flowing. You don't have to worry about one woman cause the gang has enough fans that you can always get another.

[Armind]

Another shooting in Surrey, i can hear the helicopter scoping around lol

[invader]

Another shooting in Surrey, i can hear the helicopter scoping around lol

I hear/see that chopper every day. Surrey is becoming crime central :/

[Armind]

One man taken to Royal Columbian hospital with gunshot wound after #Surrey shooting. 8200 blk 150 st. @ctvbc @ctvbcbreaking

[StylinRed]

Second shooting this week in Surrey
Man in twenties rushed to hospital

SURREY(NEWS1130)-It's the second shooting in a week in Surrey.

A man in his twenties was rushed to Royal Columbian Hospital in New Westminster after being shot in a garage at 82nd Avenue and 150th Street.

It happened around 10:30 p.m.

RCMP Staff Sergeant David Brown won't say if the shooting is related to recent gang activity. "The investigation is really in its infancy, and we're are simply on scene gathering as much information as we can."

Brown wouldn't confirm reports the man was hit in the abdomen.

No word on any arrests.

On Monday, a 32-year-old man was hurt in what Mounties are calling a targetted shooting near a nightclub in Surrey.

Second shooting this week in Surrey - News1130 (http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/265241--second-shooting-this-week-in-surrey)

[.Dream.Time]

i feel bad for the girl lol rather die than be a quadriplegic..

noone deserves that... except for maybe a few people on rs so they can't post and type retarded shit anymore.

[RRxtar]

A woman wounded in a gangland shooting in Kelowna, B.C., on Sunday has been left a quadriplegic, CBC News has learned.

Leah Hadden-Watts was left paralyzed when she was hit by a gunshot. Leah Hadden-Watts was left paralyzed when she was hit by a gunshot.

Leah Hadden-Watts, of Maple Ridge, B.C., was in the Porsche SUV that was riddled with bullets, one of which shattered a vertebra in her neck, friends of the woman have confirmed to CBC News.

Jonathan Bacon, 30, a founder of the Red Scorpions gang and one of three notorious Fraser Valley brothers with gang associations, was killed in the shooting.

A senior member of the Hells Angels was wounded, as was another woman in the car and a third man, who fled the scene. Police said those injuries were not life-threatening.

Hadden-Watts, 21, is the niece of a prominent B.C. member of the Hells Angels, but not the member who was in the car.

Just hours before the shooting, the group of five who were later shot were seen on Okanagan Lake in a powerboat named Steroids & Silicone.

she knew damn well where she was.

[gdoh]

indeed she did and prolly had a huge ego because of her associations you know the kind, too bad she wasnt a little smarter to stay away from the more active people in the gangs like jon bacon

ps what a douche name for a boat why didnt they just name it christian audiger lol

[StylinRed]

Hells Angels’ niece paralyzed in Kelowna gang shooting

A 21-year-old Maple Ridge woman, who is related to several Haney Hells Angels members

...

A senior police source told The Province Hadden-Watts was paralyzed. Hadden-Watts — a 21-year-old restaurant worker according to court documents — is the niece of Michael James (Spike) Hadden.

Spike Hadden is a full-patch member of the Hells Angels Haney chapter. On Wednesday another member, Jesse Hadden, was briefly contacted on the phone at the Haney Hawgs Cycle Shop.

Jesse Hadden was asked for comment on the reported paralyzing of a relative in the Kelowna gang hit, and said “I’ve got nothing to say,” before hanging up.

Maple Ridge community news reports from 2006 listed Leah Hadden-Watts as a member of the Golden Ears under-18 Xtreme soccer team.

Some were wishing the injured women well on social networking sites.

On Tuesday on Twitter, Don Xiong wrote “Best wishes to an old friend Lyndsey Black for a full recovery from the shooting in kelowna.”

Read more: http://www.theprovince.com/news/Hells+Angels+niece+paralyzed+Kelowna+gang+shooting/5269081/story.html#ixzz1VOTxWL1O


uh-oh-spaghetti-o's to the guys who shot her

not sure if you can blame her for hanging out with Amero since she's likely been surrounded by these guys since she was a kid she doesn't realize the risks etc because its normal for her


http://www.theprovince.com/news/Hells+Angels+niece+paralyzed+Kelowna+gang+shooting/5269081/story.html


http://peachlandnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/LeahHadden-Watts-Twitpic.jpg

http://peachlandnews.com/blog/2011/08/16/female-shooting-victims-named-one-a-quadriplegic/
by Dave Preston | Peachland News
August 16, 2011

One of two women shot in Sunday’s gang ambush in Kelowna has been left a quadriplegic, the Toronto Sun is reporting.

The Sun, which also identifies both women, quotes messages posted by friends on social media as its source.

Lyndsey Black is named as one of the women, who is allegedly in stable condition in hospital.

The second women identified is Leah Hadden-Watts. The Sun reports she underwent more than seven hours of surgery to have a bullet removed from her neck.

The injury has left Hadden-Watts a quadriplegic, states the Sun.



and sounds like that Amero guy took 5 bullets and is still in critical condition

Retaliatory attacks following such a high profile hit are inevitable, said Supt. Pat Fogarty, in charge of the organized crime branch of the Combined Forces Special Enforcement Unit in B.C.

"Coupled with Hells Angel Larry Amero, a popular figure in that world, taking five rounds is also significant.

[hotjoint]

Damn that sucks regarding what happened to that girl but that's the risk you take when hanging out with gangsters

[shenmecar]

She kinda looks like Angelina Jolie...........

[Presto]

Here's your infuriating headline of the day, created with a quote from some, dumb bitch:
Hells Angel hurt in Bacon shooting 'like you and me' - British Columbia - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2011/08/18/bc-hells-angel-amero-friend-shooting.html)


A man wounded in Sunday's gang-related shooting in Kelowna, B.C., shouldn't be judged by his membership in Hells Angels, a friend says.

Jasmine Wong says Hells Angel Larry Amero was an innocent bystander caught in the crossfire when Jonathan Bacon was shot and killed outside the Delta Hotel. Two women were also wounded, including one who was left quadriplegic.

"Wrong place, wrong time," Wong said of her friend. "[Amero] was on vacation, just out there having a good time in Kelowna."

Police have said it's not clear who was the intended target of the shooting — Bacon, who founded the Red Scorpions gang, Amero or a passenger reported to be a member of the Independent Soldiers gang.

Amero is a full patch member of the Hells Angels, but Wong cautioned against jumping to conclusions.

"You shouldn't judge him," she said. "What you do on your own time, in your hobby, just because you belong to a club — a bike club, a car club chess club . … He should be treated just like everyone else."

Wong said she has no idea why Amero was with Bacon but she knows they were friends.

Amero was just a regular person, she said.

"He still goes home, he still has an old lady and a kid, a job, like you and me."

Leah Hadden-Watts, 21, was reported to have suffered a shattered neck vertebra and was paralyzed when the SUV that Bacon and four others were riding in was showered with bullets from an automatic weapon. The second woman's injuries were not life-threatening.

Police have made no arrests in the shooting.

[MR_BIGGS]

Here's the video for the post above:

Hells Angel hurt in Bacon shooting 'like you and me' - YouTube

[JD¹³]

:facepalm:

Way to look like an ignorant fool on national TV Jasmine Wong.
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[rsx]

The VPD should launch an ad campaign and capitalize on this paralyzed chick.

They should have a large poster of her as a pretty 21 year old "before" and now, a fucked up chick in a wheelchair "after" and post it all over the city.

[Spidey]

she looks more like tila tequila in that snapshot

[Hondaracer]

typical fucking langley skid jasmine wong

[vitaminG]

She rocking a support shirt too, way to look hardcore for TV

[Presto]

Stolen from the comments:

"Like you and me?" That is the Wong thing to say.

[StylinRed]

wong is chinese eh guess she didnt get beat enough or beat so bad she's stupid

[Noir]

Well no shit she would say that. It's her colleagues. She wouldn't have the same perspective as us.

[minoru_tanaka]

She made some hilarious comments.
"I have no idea why there were together. They are friends though"
brb going to have to find out reason why friends might hang out together.

"They're really nice people"
brb going to start worrying now about nice people murdering and dealing drugs.

"They were in the wrong place at the wrong time"
Really?
brb not sure if wrong place is where ever I am and wrong time is after I've killed people who have vengeful friends

[drunkrussian]

lol u can tell from the way she talks that shes been around the block in her day. not exactly a rrliable source
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[spyker]

lol u can tell from the way she talks that shes been around the block in her day. not exactly a rrliable source
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Been around the block? More like she probably rotated all the local chapters and the puppet clubs.

I bet she dosn't even know who the real father of her kid is.

[Mr.C]

Well, someone got shot a half block away from my house. I moved here to get away from people getting shot on the street, and yet it happens. Good thing i wasnt home. I would have shit my pants.
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[Culverin]

Back that up son.

You're trying to tell me You moved "moved here to get away from people getting shot on the street". And you moved to Surrey?

Where the hell did you live? Turkey?
Murders (per capita) statistics - Countries Compared - NationMaster (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita)

[Mr.C]

Back that up son.

You're trying to tell me You moved "moved here to get away from people getting shot on the street". And you moved to Surrey?

Where the hell did you live? Turkey?
Murders (per capita) statistics - Countries Compared - NationMaster (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita)

Rio de Janeiro. Keep in mind Turkey is at war, in a sense, against the Kurds.

I moved to Surrey because I realistically couldn't afford anywhere else. In hindsight, I might have been better off with my family in Burnaby. But when apartments cost $300k, it's real hard to buy something.

[Culverin]

Welcome to Canada :)
How long have you been here and why did you pick Vancouver of all the places in the world?

Sometimes, anywhere is better than Surrey. I guess part of the price you pay for buying is place is the sketchy neighborhood. You'd probably be able to rent in bby or coquitlam, but then that wouldn't be ownership. On the upside, at least Surrey has a skytrain.

If I had to pick, I'd try to find something cheap in coquitlam, port moody or new west.

[Mr.C]

Welcome to Canada :)
How long have you been here and why did you pick Vancouver of all the places in the world?

Sometimes, anywhere is better than Surrey. I guess part of the price you pay for buying is place is the sketchy neighborhood. You'd probably be able to rent in bby or coquitlam, but then that wouldn't be ownership. On the upside, at least Surrey has a skytrain.

If I had to pick, I'd try to find something cheap in coquitlam, port moody or new west.

6 years. Climate, pretty much. Eastern Canada is crap.

My area here is not bad, actually. I'm in between Whalley and Guildford, and it's the first time this has happened on my street. I wouldn't be able to rent in Burnaby, either. Coquitlam's transportation sucks ass. New Westminster also sucks ass if you don't have a car. Try going up those hills with a shopping cart full of stuff.

Sadly, given the pathetic state of public transportation and the obscene prices, North Surrey was the best.

I mean, It's not horrible, but it annoys me to no end that it would help this problem a lot if justice here wasn't so pathetic. As long as people are getting 6 months probation for firearm offences and drug dealing, it will just keep getting worse, bit by bit.

[2 n r]

Back that up son.

You're trying to tell me You moved "moved here to get away from people getting shot on the street". And you moved to Surrey?

Where the hell did you live? Turkey?
Murders (per capita) statistics - Countries Compared - NationMaster (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita)

kinda surprised mexico and usa arent there but contries like australia and singapore are

seems off

[drunkrussian]

lol if ur from rio, the shooting once or twice in surrey should be nothing for you! so u know, ur still better off i guess...minus the beaches, hot women and noce weather...er...ok i see what ur getting at

kinda surprised mexico and usa arent there but contries like australia and singapore are

seems off

it IS off. forget the fact that its from 2006, its also per capita. thats why a buncha small shithole countries from eastern europe are on there. if your country has 2 million people with a huge % of murders you'll be ranked high despite the fact that u have the same population as vancouver. meanwhile mexico CITY has a population of 15 million, and i cant even imagine how many murders. but u know, some shitty 2006 list from a sketchy website says otherwise right? man, the guy who posted that list is an idiot
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[Armind]

Shots in Delta.

[411ken]

^ Really where abouts?

[MTV Cribs]

News1130 is reporting it as a stabbing at 80th and Scott Rd
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[scottsman]

has there been any updates on the shooting that left bacon dead?

[Anurag]

Cactus Club plaza in Delta on Scott Road and 80th area had a bunch of police cars and yellow tape closing off the vicinity tonight. Probably is where the incident occurred.

[aliuu]

shooting on fraser cancelled my class for the day

[EmperorIS]

word on the street is

some guy barricaded himself in a random house with an AK-47 and shot up a couple of cop cars already

[StylinRed]

oh?

news1130 says the cars on the st are riddled with bullet holes


John Oliver Secondary locked after shots fired
No reports of injuries

VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - Students at John Oliver Secondary School are being let out gradually onto 41st Ave. after reports of shots fired in the area forced the school to lock its doors earlier this afternoon.

Gunshots rang out through the neighbourhood near East 45th Ave. and Fraser St. shortly before 1 p.m. and several cars have bullet holes in them, but so far there are no reports of injuries. Vancouver Police with guns drawn are scouring nearby homes.

There is no word yet if anyone has been arrested.

Fraser St. is closed both ways between 41st and 49th Avenues.
http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/282205--john-oliver-secondary-locked-after-shots-fired

[spideyv2]

i go to school right by there

teachers called for code yellow and i thought he was being racist

[Harvey Specter]

Where was this truck during the riots....

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/5466673.bin?size=620x400

[Bonjour43MA]

word on the street is

some guy barricaded himself in a random house with an AK-47 and shot up a couple of cop cars already

AK47s are banned in Canada by law, how in the world did criminals get them!?!? Don't they obey the law??? That's what gun control is for right? To make the society safer for everyone? :fulloffuck:





.... yeah. Gun control doesn't work.

[TypeRNammer]

i go to school right by there

teachers called for code yellow and i thought he was being racist

South Hill by any chance?? :troll:
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[ToneCapone]

UPDATE: A 20-year-old man is dead from what appears to be a self-inflicted gunshot wound after a stand-off in East Vancouver.

No one else is injured. Police had surrounded a home near 45th Ave. and Fraser St. after several cars in the neighbourhood were hit by gunfire earlier this afternoon.

Man dead after police standoff over shots fired in East Van - News1130 (http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/282205--john-oliver-secondary-locked-after-shots-fired)

[spideyv2]

edit - guy from school trolled me

what a dick

[l2_narain]

^wtf, it was cause of a standoff?

CTV British Columbia - One dead, one injured in E. Vancouver shooting - CTV News (http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20090217/bc_eastvan_shooting_090216/20090217?hub=BritishColumbia)

article dated 2009

[Culverin]

AK47s are banned in Canada by law, how in the world did criminals get them!?!? Don't they obey the law??? That's what gun control is for right? To make the society safer for everyone? :fulloffuck:





.... yeah. Gun control doesn't work.


Gun control works to keep guns away from the average person.
If I ever got crazy angry at somebody, and all I had lying around was a baseball bat, I'd think twice about rounding up the boys to go lay the smack down. It's way too personal.

But if I had a gun handy, all I need is 1 boy to do a drive by.

Also, in the heat of anger in a domestic situation, no gun means less murder.
It works.

Just not to protect us from criminals.

[MTV Cribs]

Shooting in Surrey at 134th and 102nd. Almost in the same area as the shooting a week and a half ago.
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[3m186]

19 yr old shoot dead this morning at sfu surrey parkade
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[Gtrr33]

19 yr old shoot dead this morning at sfu surrey parkade
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just saw the news looks like a south asian or asian chick.

[Presto]

Here's the article on the parkade shooting:

Woman dead in Surrey shooting - News1130 (http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/282394--woman-dead-in-surrey-shooting)


SURREY (NEWS1130) - Part of the parking garage at Central City Mall on 134th Street and 102nd Avenue in Surrey is behind yellow crime scene tape as police investigate a shooting death.

Shots were first heard around 1:30 a.m. For now, police will only say the victim is a young woman.

Police are focusing their investigation on a small section of the parkade's third level and have sealed off an area that includes a number of vehicles and one entrance to SFU's Surrey campus, where one man tells us many students hit the books all night.

"A lot of [students] park here and most often stay overnight. There are still students inside."

A source tells News1130 the incident may have started with a dispute between a boyfriend and girlfriend, but that has not been confirmed. There are also reports the victim is 19 years old and was shot in the head.

"It isn't clear at this point whether this homicide has anything to do with the SFU campus here, if there's any links to that, whether this female has any connection to the campus or is even at student," explains RCMP Sergeant Peter Thiessen.

He won't yet say if they have anyone in custody in connection with this case or if there are even any suspects; Mounties hope to have more details later today.

Stay with News1130 for the very latest on this developing story.

[mb_]

People I went to school with are posting RIP statuses. Most likely the shooting victim since my high school isn't that far away from SFU.

Edit: yup sounds like it's the same person. RIP.

[TRDeol]

Ya, a lot of my friends knew her. RIP

[hc529]

RIP

my friend, also a member on RS was working as security, he walked her to the car as most female student are afraid to go back to their car at night. They talked, and after my friend got to her car, he split up, and after he walked back to SFU, he heard 3 gun shot......

he went back and had to try and save her for 5 minutes before the cops came... he was sick to his stomach seeing blood coming out of the bullet holes.... he tried so hard to save her, but at the end he couldnt... he was telling me, his hand was full of blood, and his body was shaking..

Goddamn..... 1 minute ago u were talking to that person, 1 minute later ur trying to save her.... :mad:

some fuked up shit was, a kid was taking picture of the girl that was kinda topless on the ground, because the security needed to rip her shirt and find the gunwound to stop the bleeding...... how can you even take ur phone out an start snapping picture at someone that's freaking dying in front of you.....???

[Stealthy]

Went to elementary school with that girl. Very sad since she was one of the finalists for the Central City model search too.

Rip
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[BrRsn]

RIP

my friend, also a member on RS was working as security, he walked her to the car as most female student are afraid to go back to their car at night. They talked, and after my friend got to her car, he split up, and after he walked back to SFU, he heard 3 gun shot......

he went back and had to try and save her for 5 minutes before the cops came... he was sick to his stomach seeing blood coming out of the bullet holes.... he tried so hard to save her, but at the end he couldnt... he was telling me, his hand was full of blood, and his body was shaking..

Goddamn..... 1 minute ago u were talking to that person, 1 minute later ur trying to save her.... :mad:

some fuked up shit was, a kid was taking picture of the girl that was kinda topless on the ground, because the security needed to rip her shirt and find the gunwound to stop the bleeding...... how can you even take ur phone out an start snapping picture at someone that's freaking dying in front of you.....???

wow that's horrible. That top parking lot is exposed to everyone that's studying on that side of SFU too, tons of people probably saw. Whoever did this must've been an ex boyfriend or something because nobody would do that at random. A friend of mine was talking to me about it during class, she definitely went to SFU (was in one of his classes). Messed up, RIP.

[Mr.Money]

so a pretty girl got shot from her insane boyfriend killer?...


fucked up...

[2damaxmr2]

Gun control works to keep guns away from the average person.
If I ever got crazy angry at somebody, and all I had lying around was a baseball bat, I'd think twice about rounding up the boys to go lay the smack down. It's way too personal.

But if I had a gun handy, all I need is 1 boy to do a drive by.

Also, in the heat of anger in a domestic situation, no gun means less murder.
It works.

Just not to protect us from criminals.

:failed: You can go on a rampage with a kitchen knife. So your argument is invalid.

[7seven]

A young woman shot and killed in a parkade at the SFU campus at Central City Shopping Centre in Surrey on Wednesday morning has been identifed as 19-year-old Maple Batalia.

Her father, Harkirat Batalia, confirmed the young woman's identity to Global News. The Integrated Homicide Investigation Team is investigating.

Batalia is a model and actress. Her most recent role was in the movie "Diary of a Wimpy Kid: Rodrick Rules" where she played Melissa. She was also a finalist in the Central City Shopping Centre model search.

One witness told reporter Grace Ke that he heard about five gunshots in quick succession, and when he looked out of his window across the street he saw a car screeching out of the car park.

RCMP Sgt. Peter Thiessen says there's nothing to suggest the murder is linked to gangs or organized crime.

Grief counsellors are being made available to students at the SFU campus in Surrey. Some students were studying at the school at the time of the shooting.



Read it on Global News: Global BC | Actress and model Maple Batalia shot and killed in Surrey

Global BC | Actress and model Maple Batalia shot and killed in Surrey (http://www.globaltvbc.com/actress+and+model+maple+batalia+shot+and+killed+in +surrey/6442490951/story.html)

[Roach]

Damn. Unreal how horrible some people can be. Killing a 19 year-old girl.

Her family must be devastated.

Kev

[hpw912]

rip. sad news...

[124Y]

R.I.P. :(
I drove up the parking lot this morning and saw cops everywhere and was wondering why they sealed off a huge section of the parking lot. After I parked and walked towards the school, I saw the RCMP Sgt talking to the press and I knew that some shit went down. It made me sick seeing the blood that was still on the ground.

[Hondaracer]

Gun control doesn't stop unregistered weapons for you gun control people..

And no one does these broad day shootings generally outside of the kelowna thing with long-gun's
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[HonestTea]

RIP :(

[gdoh]

RIP


:failed: You can go on a rampage with a kitchen knife. So your argument is invalid.

its a lot harder to stab some1 then it is to shoot some1

[StylinRed]

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/6084/modelci.jpg
http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/103/470bcmaple4110927430241.jpg

that's her Maple Batalia

wonder what she did

[ruthless]

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/6084/modelci.jpg

that's her Maple Batalia

wonder what she did

Her Father believes it was a jelous ex-boyfriend that did it...she had been in an altercation with him in the past, and she had complained that someone had been following her etc.

Model and actress murdered in Surrey - Noon News Hour - Videos | Global BC (http://www.globaltvbc.com/video/model+and+actress+murdered+in+surrey/video.html?v=12574395&p=1&s=dd#video)

[dachinesedude]

RIP

a pure guess, girl breaks up with guy (probably cheated), guy rages, shoots girl

[Raid3n]

shooting at mr. lube this afternoon in coquitlam.

[2damaxmr2]

RIP




its a lot harder to stab some1 then it is to shoot some1

Shooting takes practice ( There is no aimbot in real life). It doesn't take a rocket scientist to shank somebody.

[StylinRed]

there were about 5 squad cars setting up around the apartment building on Sussex st. across from Metrotown looked like they were going to go in and bust someone

this was around 11:45am

[GLOW]

Shooting takes practice ( There is no aimbot in real life). It doesn't take a rocket scientist to shank somebody.

:suspicious: so you're telling me you'd bring a knife to a gun fight? :heckno:

[2damaxmr2]

I never said that... but knives does have its advantage at point blank range. Not to mention it is easily accessible and it is quiet. Most gang bangers does NOT carry a holster (They usually do Mexican style carry) which means quick draw is almost impossible.

[Harvey Specter]

Wow, so sad about the 19 year old.

[Roach]

It reminds me a lot of the Poonam Randhawa murder in '99.

Kev

[Gumby]

RIP

my friend, also a member on RS was working as security, he walked her to the car as most female student are afraid to go back to their car at night. They talked, and after my friend got to her car, he split up, and after he walked back to SFU, he heard 3 gun shot......

he went back and had to try and save her for 5 minutes before the cops came... he was sick to his stomach seeing blood coming out of the bullet holes.... he tried so hard to save her, but at the end he couldnt... he was telling me, his hand was full of blood, and his body was shaking..

Goddamn..... 1 minute ago u were talking to that person, 1 minute later ur trying to save her.... :mad:

some fuked up shit was, a kid was taking picture of the girl that was kinda topless on the ground, because the security needed to rip her shirt and find the gunwound to stop the bleeding...... how can you even take ur phone out an start snapping picture at someone that's freaking dying in front of you.....???
Oh wow... that's messed up. Your security person friend could have also been killed!

[411ken]

damn! this is sad... I'm curious.. what time does SFU library closes?

[ruthless]

damn! this is sad... I'm curious.. what time does SFU library closes?


The shooting occurred at around 1:10am and students were still in the library soo...

[Mr.JDM]

Shots fired in Coquitlam - News1130 (http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/282658--shots-fired-in-coquitlam)

[dbaz]

there were about 5 squad cars setting up around the apartment building on Sussex st. across from Metrotown looked like they were going to go in and bust someone

this was around 11:45am

if south side of metro probably a meth lab. a couple of those ghetto houses are meth labs/ brothels

[StylinRed]

RIP

my friend, also a member on RS was working as security, he walked her to the car as most female student are afraid to go back to their car at night. They talked, and after my friend got to her car, he split up, and after he walked back to SFU, he heard 3 gun shot......

he went back and had to try and save her for 5 minutes before the cops came... he was sick to his stomach seeing blood coming out of the bullet holes.... he tried so hard to save her, but at the end he couldnt... he was telling me, his hand was full of blood, and his body was shaking..

Goddamn..... 1 minute ago u were talking to that person, 1 minute later ur trying to save her.... :mad:


that's fucked up; makes me think about that guy that died in the street on my block its just so surreal; at least he tried to save her that's very impressive

if it is her ex-boyfriend though seeing her chat up the security guard probably didn't help things im very surprised he didnt shoot the security guard as well tell your friend he's insanely lucky

some fuked up shit was, a kid was taking picture of the girl that was kinda topless on the ground, because the security needed to rip her shirt and find the gunwound to stop the bleeding...... how can you even take ur phone out an start snapping picture at someone that's freaking dying in front of you.....???

i dont think he was snapping pics because her shirt was off... its just like the news or riots people just feel a need to document things

maybe he's gonna try and sell the photo to the media etc


shooting at mr. lube this afternoon in coquitlam.

Shots fired in Coquitlam - News1130 (http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/282658--shots-fired-in-coquitlam)

whoa i must have just driven by there when it happened saw the ambulance heading towards it after i drove by a couple blocks

[Qmx323]

wtf... sick to my stomach.

RIP Maple.

[Ludepower]

shooting at mr. lube this afternoon in coquitlam.

Not 100% for sure but happened just before 1pm across from where I work.
Mr.Lube on Barnett Hwy near coquitlam center.
5 shots were fired. Brown guy (iranian or east indian) runs in and shoots another brown guy who's getting his oil change.
Looks like the guy lived cause his eyes were open when rushed out by ambulance.

15 cop cars were on scene within 5 minutes. Undercover cop cars driving around. Dogs were checking the forrest. Helicopter in the air.

And they still manage to get away...

[Raid3n]

heard that someone saw someone get in a car and book it just after it happened.

[MG1]

Global BC | Actress and model Maple Batalia shot and killed in Surrey (http://www.globaltvbc.com/actress+and+model+maple+batalia+shot+and+killed+in +surrey/6442490951/story.html)

http://www.revscene.net/forums/653341-official-no-need-start-new-thread-thread-7.html#post7593648

My son was at SFU at the time. He and his friends saw the crowd of people and couldn't really get close to see what had happened. They were about to leave the parking lot when police arrived and taped off the lot.


At the time, I thought it was just a random gang shooting again, but holy carp, this is tragic. Poor girl had a good life ahead of her. So, so sad.

[Everymans]

Terrible what happened to Maple, seems like an innocent person gunned down in cold blood. There was a guy shooting cars on 45th and fraser yesterday, apparently he killed himself... This town is getting trigger happy as of late, starting to get a bit freightened.

[BrRsn]

pics of the guy that was shot in coquitlam
Coquitlam RCMP on Scene of Another Shooting | Vancouver Sun Blogs (http://blogs.vancouversun.com/2011/09/28/coquitlam-rcmp-on-scene-of-another-shooting/)

[scottsman]

Terrible what happened to Maple, seems like an innocent person gunned down in cold blood. There was a guy shooting cars on 45th and fraser yesterday, apparently he killed himself... This town is getting trigger happy as of late, starting to get a bit freightened.

1. A guy barricades himself in his house, has a stand off with police and then kills himself
2. Young girl murdered at SFU from what looks like to be jealous ex bf
3. Gang member targeted

Three completely unrelated events and your conclusion is that Vancouver is getting "trigger happy." In what way does this make you a bit frightened? There was no immediate danger to the public and it seems all murders were targeted.

[BrRsn]

1. A guy barricades himself in his house, has a stand off with police and then kills himself
2. Young girl murdered at SFU from what looks like to be jealous ex bf
3. Gang member targeted

Three completely unrelated events and your conclusion is that Vancouver is getting "trigger happy." In what way does this make you a bit frightened? There was no immediate danger to the public and it seems all murders were targeted.

Somebodys been reading too many articles written by Kim Bolan.

She had the nerve to bring up the khun-khun murder and write about it for a paragraph or two in the article about the SFU student. How was that girl's murder even relevant to a gang shooting. Pissed me off, but it seems like she's revised and edited that out of her article.

[SiRV]

1. A guy barricades himself in his house, has a stand off with police and then kills himself
2. Young girl murdered at SFU from what looks like to be jealous ex bf
3. Gang member targeted

Three completely unrelated events and your conclusion is that Vancouver is getting "trigger happy." In what way does this make you a bit frightened? There was no immediate danger to the public and it seems all murders were targeted.

the guy that barricaded himself in his house was actually shooting at cars on the street apparently

[sunny_j]

Somebodys been reading too many articles written by Kim Bolan.

She had the nerve to bring up the khun-khun murder and write about it for a paragraph or two in the article about the SFU student. How was that girl's murder even relevant to a gang shooting. Pissed me off, but it seems like she's revised and edited that out of her article.

Kim Bolan is a stupid cunt

RIP Maple

[Bonjour43MA]

Some very tragic and perhaps unnecessary deaths of 3 young adults.

What people, espeically gun-control people, need to realize from all of these shootings, isn't that we need to get rid of all LEGALLY owned guns by legal gun owners, but the fact that there are some fundamental problems in our society these days that CREATED these criminals/psycho paths from committing such horrible crimes, and that the focus should be on the PEOPLE, not the OBJECT they used.

Without guns, they could've used knives (look at the UK for example, death rate by knives is through the roof), they could've used blunt objects like baseball bats/hammers, they could've used home-made bombs, or they could've used anything they could use as a weapon to fulfill their intention to hurt someone. Do guns make it easier? Of course! But almost all of these people acquired their guns through illegal means, and have nothing to do with the rest of the law-abiding gun owners in this country, that involuntarily get lumped together with these criminals/psycho paths. I find it amusing to see average people reacting to gun owners as if they're walking time bombs that could go off any second. The majority of the gun owners I know are law abiding, tax-paying, family-loving, and hard-working people that are no different than you or I, except that they own guns. They do not dream about doing gangster-style shooting or going ape-shit over little things, nor do they condone any violent act committed BY people WITH guns.

If banning or getting rid of guns really made the world a safer place, then why is the UK (complete ban on handguns and rifles) no more safer than it was before the ban? It's a very simple fact that people choose to ignore - bad people / criminals / crazies DO NOT OBEY THE LAW. You can ban and control all you want but crimes and murders will still happen by other means. Human beings are capable of doing some pretty nasty things to each other, and the means to that end is NEVER an issue.

These shooting deaths are mostly tragic and I do not like them one bit, but what I don't like even more is for those in FEAR (omg guns everywhere! I'm gonna get shot next! omg omg! guns, bad!) to react the wrong way and focus on the things/objects, instead of the people and their problems (broken homes, need for attention, mental issues, etc). Our current firearms act (bill C-68, implemented since 1995) was a knee-jerk reaction to the school shooting in Montreal, which sets out stricter rules and control over the use of firearms.... BUT.... look at us now, 16 years later, have the shootings stopped? The mere existence of this thread is a great collection of tragic stories to prove that why gun control doesn't work as a SAFETY tool (which is what the government wants you to believe - easy vote getting policy).

I'm not saying that we should have an open system where anyone and everyone can walk in to Walmart and pick up a 9mm. In fact, I support certain levels of gun control (what we have now with our licensing and registration system is decent) that will weed out the potential crazies and mentally unstable. But what I hope people can realize is that banning objects is never the answer to stopping these horrible acts from taking place.

[2damaxmr2]

Libertard won't listen even if you shove all the facts and data in their face.

[Hondaracer]

Some very tragic and perhaps unnecessary deaths of 3 young adults.

What people, espeically gun-control people, need to realize from all of these shootings, isn't that we need to get rid of all LEGALLY owned guns by legal gun owners, but the fact that there are some fundamental problems in our society these days that CREATED these criminals/psycho paths from committing such horrible crimes, and that the focus should be on the PEOPLE, not the OBJECT they used.

Without guns, they could've used knives (look at the UK for example, death rate by knives is through the roof), they could've used blunt objects like baseball bats/hammers, they could've used home-made bombs, or they could've used anything they could use as a weapon to fulfill their intention to hurt someone. Do guns make it easier? Of course! But almost all of these people acquired their guns through illegal means, and have nothing to do with the rest of the law-abiding gun owners in this country, that involuntarily get lumped together with these criminals/psycho paths. I find it amusing to see average people reacting to gun owners as if they're walking time bombs that could go off any second. The majority of the gun owners I know are law abiding, tax-paying, family-loving, and hard-working people that are no different than you or I, except that they own guns. They do not dream about doing gangster-style shooting or going ape-shit over little things, nor do they condone any violent act committed BY people WITH guns.

If banning or getting rid of guns really made the world a safer place, then why is the UK (complete ban on handguns and rifles) no more safer than it was before the ban? It's a very simple fact that people choose to ignore - bad people / criminals / crazies DO NOT OBEY THE LAW. You can ban and control all you want but crimes and murders will still happen by other means. Human beings are capable of doing some pretty nasty things to each other, and the means to that end is NEVER an issue.

These shooting deaths are mostly tragic and I do not like them one bit, but what I don't like even more is for those in FEAR (omg guns everywhere! I'm gonna get shot next! omg omg! guns, bad!) to react the wrong way and focus on the things/objects, instead of the people and their problems (broken homes, need for attention, mental issues, etc). Our current firearms act (bill C-68, implemented since 1995) was a knee-jerk reaction to the school shooting in Montreal, which sets out stricter rules and control over the use of firearms.... BUT.... look at us now, 16 years later, have the shootings stopped? The mere existence of this thread is a great collection of tragic stories to prove that why gun control doesn't work as a SAFETY tool (which is what the government wants you to believe - easy vote getting policy).

I'm not saying that we should have an open system where anyone and everyone can walk in to Walmart and pick up a 9mm. In fact, I support certain levels of gun control (what we have now with our licensing and registration system is decent) that will weed out the potential crazies and mentally unstable. But what I hope people can realize is that banning objects is never the answer to stopping these horrible acts from taking place.

The UK is also a place where the government tries to enforce a state of fear much like the US does, where their bobbi's used to carry nothing but billy clubs around are all armed with MP5's or better around their necks now

While i was in london for a week i stayed in a fairly high end area right around the "marble arch" hyde park area, it was not uncommon to see 2-3 bentleys, ferrari, range rovers parked up and down the streets, these cops armed up on foot patrol would patrol these areas and were actively looking in/under cars with kids seats, toys hanging from the windows, etc. i'm asuming for Bombs and other things of the like

it's not an example of gun control necessarily but imo it's just simply another form of "control" which is used to hold down the population, even with these scare tactics etc. as you mentioned, crime and assaults/murders are up, the riots were not contained, etc.

if anything, forms of "control" almost worsen alot of situations

EDIT* And by the way, Like i said earlier on there is a very simple way to at least curb shootings, if you insist on keeping the gun registry, you simply implement a law where unregistered/stolen guns used in crimes come with SEVERE punishments

i knew of some kids back in the day, sorry to stereotype but your typical viet dyed bang, wanna-be gangsters who all had prior criminal records rolling around in a rental car, a cop pulls them over and finds some weed or whatever and 2 LOADED unregistered hand guns, all three of them were back out on the street the next day..

hand guns are used only for killing, thats pretty cut and dry, therefor by having a handgun, let alone one that is not registered, you clearly have intent to do harm upon others, yet you are punished with little to nothing?

The system itself is -FUCKED- gun control/registry is nothing in the big picture.

[Lomac]

Global BC | Actress and model Maple Batalia shot and killed in Surrey (http://www.globaltvbc.com/actress+and+model+maple+batalia+shot+and+killed+in +surrey/6442490951/story.html)

Used to work with Maple. Very bright, beautiful girl. So sad to see shit like this happen.

RIP Maple :(

[Bonjour43MA]

Gun control works to keep guns away from the average person.
If I ever got crazy angry at somebody, and all I had lying around was a baseball bat, I'd think twice about rounding up the boys to go lay the smack down. It's way too personal.

But if I had a gun handy, all I need is 1 boy to do a drive by.

Also, in the heat of anger in a domestic situation, no gun means less murder.
It works.

Just not to protect us from criminals.

Some false assumptions here.

First of all, what is an "average person"? Why can't an average person own firearms? You imply that only the police and military are the only ones that should have guns, which is a very scary thought because that means the people have no power or the means to defend themselves, if the need arises. Owning guns and doing targeting shooting, is no different than owing cars and driving fast on a race track. With proper training anyone can do it, but with IMPROPER use, anyone could become a murderer.

Also, why do you fear that you would use your guns to hurt someone if they somehow looked at you funny. No gun owners I know behave or think that way and many of them have owned guns for 10, 20, 30 years. Their wives, kids, and grand-kids certainly don't agree with you on that. Guns do not automatically make someone go crazy and do crazy things - crazy people USE guns to do crazy things. There is a big difference there.

Then, you mentioned that no guns in domestic disputes = safer. Again you're implying that gun owners are more likely to commit murder in domestic disputes, than say, kitchen knife owners, or baseball bat owners. Hate to tell you but that is completely false. As an example, the Ontario Office of the Chief Corner did a report on Domestic deaths in the year 2008 for the province of Ontario:

http://www.crvawc.ca/documents/DVDRC%202009%20Annual%20Report%20%28FINAL%29.pdf

and found that 27% of deaths of women were caused by stabbing, 60% were "others" (choking, hitting, etc), and 13% were by gun shot wounds (table 9, page 13 of 51 in the PDF). Meaning, women are twice as likely to die from knives (of any kind) in domestic disputes, than by guns. If you look at the 5-year number, deaths by gunshot wounds is nowhere near as common as stabbing deaths. Check out Table 4 on page 11 of 51 for another stat for the years 2002~2007, where 34% were stabbing deaths, a combined 45% for stragulation/other, and 21% shooting deaths.

In the heat of the moment, ANYTHING can be used as a weapon to hurt the other person. Your statement of "guns at home = more deaths during dispute" is completely false, and is supported only by perception generated by the media (anytime a gun is mentioned, it's bad news), and not by facts. I can google more official government stats for your viewing but you will only see more of the same numbers.

Lastly, I do agree with you that gun control doesn't work to protect us from criminals, and the ironic thing is that IF you had the ability to carry firearms with you, the likelihood of you being a victim can be lessened. Handgun ban lifted in Washington and Chicago = crime rate went down. Prior to the ban being lifted? Both had some of the highest violent crime rates in the USA. :fulloffuck:

Look, I'm not trying to tell people that they're wrong about how they think of guns and gun owners, but sometimes it's hard to argue with facts when they are so blatantly obvious that objects should NEVER be the center of attention in tragedies like the recent shootings.

[2damaxmr2]

Buddy these people won't listen. There is no point on arguing with them.

[Bonjour43MA]

.......hand guns are used only for killing, thats pretty cut and dry, therefor by having a handgun, let alone one that is not registered, you clearly have intent to do harm upon others, yet you are punished with little to nothing?


I agree with everything you've said except this last little bit. Hand guns are NOT used for killing, at least not for legal licensed owners - you are looking at this as if all hand gun owners have the intent to go out and kill someone at some point. Last I checked there are at least 500,000 handguns in Canada, legally owned. I don't think we've had 500,000 homicides that I know of... :heckno:

Hand guns are used legally for targeting shooting, competition shooting, and (very rarely, in Canada anyway) for self-defense. Those are legitimate reasons for someone to want to own one. Simply lumping all hand gun owners together with criminals is just as bad as making generalization of a certain race of people based on assumptions and propaganda.

Buddy these people won't listen. There is no point on arguing with them.

Well I don't know about you, but I'm not arguing with anybody. I'm simply presenting facts and common sense that I hope will show people that these tragic events COULD be prevented not by taking away the tool used, but to focus on the social and human issues instead.

[Harvey Specter]

Strict gun laws don't protect us from criminals. Criminals and people who want to carry out some sort of shooting will always find a way to buy a gun, period.

And I was watching the interview with the family, it was absolutely heartbreaking when the father said the suspect should have killed him instead. The victims dad did mention something about her ex-bf and his daughter getting into an altercation at a coffee shop. It's still beyond me how a guy can get that hung up about a girl, get a gun and kill her. Hopefully the guy has done the right thing and shot himself in the head.

[2damaxmr2]

Sigh...

[Bonjour43MA]

Strict gun laws don't protect us from criminals. Criminals and people who want to carry out some sort of shooting will always find a way to buy a gun, period.

And I was watching the interview with the family, it was absolutely heartbreaking when the father said the suspect should have killed him instead. The victims dad did mention something about her ex-bf and his daughter getting into an altercation at a coffee shop. It's still beyond me how a guy can get that hung up about a girl, get a gun and kill her. Hopefully the guy has done the right thing and shot himself in the head.

If the information was correct, then that guy had premeditated intention to kill, which I hope means a much stiffer sentence.

I was acutally quite surprised at how relationships can lead to some pretty serious crimes committed to women, when reading up some stats on domestic disputes just a little earlier. 90% of the time it's the guys that are hung up on the chicks and either can't get over them, or refuse to accept that the relationship had ended.

[Harvey Specter]

^
I have a few girl friends who have been stalked and I've heard some scary stories. One of my friends was actually stabbed by her ex-bf and he didn't serve any jail time because he claimed it was self defense.

And what can women do? Restraint orders don't do enough and the police don't have the time nor the resources to follow up on every single stalking case. Most of the time they keep a file, if the person keeps harassing they usually visit the person and talk to them. Rarely do you see criminal charges in stalking cases until something bad happens.

[scottsman]

Somebodys been reading too many articles written by Kim Bolan.

She had the nerve to bring up the khun-khun murder and write about it for a paragraph or two in the article about the SFU student. How was that girl's murder even relevant to a gang shooting. Pissed me off, but it seems like she's revised and edited that out of her article.

Not sure what article you are referring to and perhaps you missed my point. I was questioning why someone is saying he is scared because 3 unrelated incidents with guns have taken place in the last few days, 2 of which were specifically targeted.

[gars]

Also, why do you fear that you would use your guns to hurt someone if they somehow looked at you funny. No gun owners I know behave or think that way and many of them have owned guns for 10, 20, 30 years. Their wives, kids, and grand-kids certainly don't agree with you on that. Guns do not automatically make someone go crazy and do crazy things - crazy people USE guns to do crazy things. There is a big difference there.

I don't disagree with you in that gun control does not prevent criminals from having guns.

But I don't believe that our regulations should change (though I'm not sure what good the long gun registry is good for - I need to do more research until I can form an opinion).

I know plenty of gun owners as well, and I agree with you - that they are safely trained and are no threat to society.

However - I don't believe civilians should be allowed to purchase guns for self protection. I think a concealed weapon permit is one of the worst things you can have in a society - especially a post 9/11 society with so much paranoia. This is probably one of the biggest differences between Canada and the USA - is that while many people in the states might be buying because they enjoy the sport of target shooting and hunting - quite a few are buying and carrying out of fear. Improperly trained person who is scared and has a pistol is a baaaad combination.

[Bonjour43MA]

^^^ I believe in sensible gun laws that do not punish licensed owners for paper-offenses (did you know that you could go to jail if you did not renew your license on time and let it expired? or, if you do not carry a piece of paper (authorization to transport) with you when you goto the range, you could have all of your gun seized and never returned?), and do not cherry-pick on limiting certain types of guns because they are somehow more dangerous (a pistol with a 4" barrel is prohibited, but one that is 4.12" is not?!?!?!).

Our licensing system is decent - mandatory 28 day wait period, police background check, reference check, mental health check, and mandatory safety exams. It does its best to weed out the crazies. I'm still somewhat on the fence with registration, though. I know most people don't like it and think that it's a waste of money, but I think there is some value in keeping track of the ownership of firearms, just as we do with cars. How useful is that information in preventing crime? Not much, really. Just the same as having a license plate on your car doesn't necessary prevent you from driving it impaired and hitting a pedestrian. But I do believe that having firearms registered brings upon an additional layer of accountability to gun owners, to make sure that they know who has access to their guns.

As for owning a gun for self-protection, I think that at the bare minimum, one should have the right to defend his/her life (or the lives of his/her family), when an intruder breaks into your house uninvited. Some form of "castle law" should replace the nonsense we have now (equal force) so that the home owners should not fear of being prosecuted if there ever was a need to use lethal force. Concealed carry is something we probably won't see in Canada anytime soon, as I think most Canadian feel relatively safe in their neighborhoods and don't feel a need to have lethal force on them while say, walking their dogs.

[StylinRed]

stfu with your gun control arguments you guys always find every opportunity to get on your soapbox

this thread is for shootings that happen locally

jesus

[van_driver]

so a pretty girl got shot from her insane boyfriend killer?...


fucked up...


Yeah, they just broke up a few days ago apparently

she was in the final top 10 for a modelling contest going on in the mall where the SFU is, now they have had to postpone it because of this.

The ex boyfriend is screwed for life because of a bad relationship.

RIP

[7seven]

Pretty sad seeing the dad on tv last night

SURREY (NEWS1130) - The shooting death of 19-year-old Maple Batalia outside SFU's Surrey campus early yesterday is a case still riddled with questions.

Police have not named a suspect, but there's a lot of talk about Batalia's ex-boyfriend and a restraining order.

Reports that the 19-year-old model and nursing student had recently obtained a no-contact order against an ex-boyfriend is an aspect of this story police won't talk about. Batalia's family has described a troubled past relationship the young woman had been trying to move beyond.

Police will only say they are pursuing some theories; they've dedicated 25 officers to this case.

They have neither identified a motive for the death nor publicly named anyone as a person of interest. Mounties also won't say with any certainty whether this was, in fact, a targeted attack.

A memorial page has been set up on Facebook.

[Death2Theft]

Using domestic dispute stats from say texas would be alot more realistic, where more people actually own guns.
Some false assumptions here.
Then, you mentioned that no guns in domestic disputes = safer. Again you're implying that gun owners are more likely to commit murder in domestic disputes, than say, kitchen knife owners, or baseball bat owners. Hate to tell you but that is completely false. As an example, the Ontario Office of the Chief Corner did a report on Domestic deaths in the year 2008 for the province of Ontario:

http://www.crvawc.ca/documents/DVDRC%202009%20Annual%20Report%20%28FINAL%29.pdf

and found that 27% of deaths of women were caused by stabbing, 60% were "others" (choking, hitting, etc), and 13% were by gun shot wounds (table 9, page 13 of 51 in the PDF). Meaning, women are twice as likely to die from knives (of any kind) in domestic disputes, than by guns. If you look at the 5-year number, deaths by gunshot wounds is nowhere near as common as stabbing deaths. Check out Table 4 on page 11 of 51 for another stat for the years 2002~2007, where 34% were stabbing deaths, a combined 45% for stragulation/other, and 21% shooting deaths.

In the heat of the moment, ANYTHING can be used as a weapon to hurt the other person. Your statement of "guns at home = more deaths during dispute" is completely false, and is supported only by perception generated by the media (anytime a gun is mentioned, it's bad news), and not by facts. I can google more official government stats for your viewing but you will only see more of the same numbers.

Lastly, I do agree with you that gun control doesn't work to protect us from criminals, and the ironic thing is that IF you had the ability to carry firearms with you, the likelihood of you being a victim can be lessened. Handgun ban lifted in Washington and Chicago = crime rate went down. Prior to the ban being lifted? Both had some of the highest violent crime rates in the USA. :fulloffuck:

Look, I'm not trying to tell people that they're wrong about how they think of guns and gun owners, but sometimes it's hard to argue with facts when they are so blatantly obvious that objects should NEVER be the center of attention in tragedies like the recent shootings.

[Hondaracer]

I agree with everything you've said except this last little bit. Hand guns are NOT used for killing, at least not for legal licensed owners - you are looking at this as if all hand gun owners have the intent to go out and kill someone at some point. Last I checked there are at least 500,000 handguns in Canada, legally owned. I don't think we've had 500,000 homicides that I know of... :heckno:

Hand guns are used legally for targeting shooting, competition shooting, and (very rarely, in Canada anyway) for self-defense. Those are legitimate reasons for someone to want to own one. Simply lumping all hand gun owners together with criminals is just as bad as making generalization of a certain race of people based on assumptions and propaganda.



Well I don't know about you, but I'm not arguing with anybody. I'm simply presenting facts and common sense that I hope will show people that these tragic events COULD be prevented not by taking away the tool used, but to focus on the social and human issues instead.

Yea I was tired when I wrote that, I should have said the people who have unregistered/unliscenced hand guns have intent other than target practice most of the time, even if it's just to "look cool" a person like that has no business having a hand gun

And Jah, I disagree that stricter gun laws wouldn't be a deterant, of course the people who really want somone killed will get their hands on a gun and somone offered 50k who has nothing will shoot someone, but the little punks who carry guns around etc who might make up 5-10% of the shootings would be taken out of the picture if you got an automatic 5 years for having any unregistered handgun on you

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[Supafly]

if you got an automatic 5 years for having any unregistered handgun on you

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If you are caught with an unregistered firearm....you automatically get slapped with a few charges...( truth)

its something like 5 yrs to start.....with a loaded firearm and intent to do bodily harm.

[Hondaracer]

Well the thing is if they take out long gun registry the only registered guns will be restricted and hand

And like I posted above, if there are severe penalties they definitely aren't enforced
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[StylinRed]

if south side of metro probably a meth lab. a couple of those ghetto houses are meth labs/ brothels

north side

but yeah the apartments in that area are :heckno:

[Bonjour43MA]

stfu with your gun control arguments you guys always find every opportunity to get on your soapbox

this thread is for shootings that happen locally

jesus


This thread is the perfect place to raise awareness about gun laws and gun control issues in this country, which Vancouver is a part of, is it not? Why do you think there are shootings going on? Is it not related to how people got their hands on guns?

You don't have to participate if you don't want to, but telling others to shut up because you can't bother reading something meaningful, not just "OH SHIIEET SOMEONE GOT SHOT!!!! SO SAD!!! RIP!!!! PEOPLE ARE CRAZY!!!", is not really my problem.

[BrRsn]

This debated is fundamentally flawed on the basic notion that if there is a demand for something, someone will fill the demand.


Look at all the illegal drugs that people use, they're illegal, they (in an ideal society) shouldn't even be available to people, yet they are.

[Phozy]

^That's how the world works. Put a prohibition or law/ someone will make say "Challenge Accepted", just to fuck with it.
Make something unavailable, someone will find a way to make it available. The nature of people is much stronger than trying to control us by laws.

Anyhow, sad to hear the girl died.. :(

[MTV Cribs]

Shooting in Surrey again. This time in the Whalley area.
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[StylinRed]

Shooting in Surrey again. This time in the Whalley area.
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same area then they're like always in whalley

whalley=dtes for surrey


We're hearing shots have been fired near 132nd Avenue and Old Yale Road in Whalley.

[mb_]

That's like a block away from where the SFU shooting happened....... wtf

[StylinRed]

^^^ ITS WHALLEY :P

[snootworks]

^^^ ITS WHALLEY :P

No kidding; I occasionally have to drive through Whalley to go to client meetings at Central City.

It's like being in the ghetto. *lol*

[Phozy]

One day, somebodys going to shoot those gas-pipes lying around "by accident", like the one on 141st and 108th.

[StylinRed]

should update this i guess guy was shot sunday morning (or saturday night depending how u view it :P)

Suspect sought after Surrey shooting
Victim has non-life threatening injuries

SURREY (NEWS1130) - Police in Surrey are looking for a suspect after a man was shot early this morning. It happened shortly after 2:30 a.m. at 111A Avenue and 146th Street.

The victim is known to police and is not cooperating with investigators.

When emergency crews got there they found the victim laying on the street with multiple gunshot wounds. He was rushed to hospital and his injuries are not life threatening.

No arrests have been made.
Suspect sought after Surrey shooting - News1130 (http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/283948--suspect-sought-after-surrey-shooting)

[mb_]

Maple Batalia's alleged killer has reportedly turned himself in

[LikeASir]

^^ i just got the bbm chain message

[vafanculo]

No kidding; I occasionally have to drive through Whalley to go to client meetings at Central City.

It's like being in the ghetto. *lol*


Is central city part of whalley? I went to the mall the other day for the first time, and my god I couldn't wait to get the hell out of there.
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[mb_]

yes it is

[gdoh]

are you guys serious about whalley lol man up its not even that bad

[1990TSI]

are you guys serious about whalley lol man up its not even that bad

I got my cat, Pancakes, from whalley, and you can tell where he's from

[Culverin]

are you guys serious about whalley lol man up its not even that bad

Is there anywhere that's worse in the lower mainland?
:suspicious:

[gdoh]

east van seems way worse to me

[inkcognito]

i live in whalley, just over the next block from tbarz, and yea it gets kinda sketchy at times. But it's not as bad as people say it is

[parm104]

i live in whalley, just over the next block from tbarz, and yea it gets kinda sketchy at times. But it's not as bad as people say it is

Yea, you're right...Take away the hookers, crack heads, and drug dealers oh and H.A., it's not that bad...

[StylinRed]

Maple Batalia's alleged killer has reportedly turned himself in

turned himself in regarding a warrant about him assaulting her current? bf @ a timmys

not regarding her murder





and that guys body they found in Squamish is a 55yr old chinese gangster

[vafanculo]

Whalley reminds me of the Grand theft auto city setting
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[BrRsn]

I've been lost in whalley and it's not that bad, I think because everyone says its bad you start to notice stuff. I feel perfectly safe in/around sfu surrey anytime of day/night.

[alpinestars]

was at walley and got lost and asked a crackhead for directions. pretty nice guy for giving me directions

[DJ Milk]

was at walley and got lost and asked a crackhead for directions. pretty nice guy for giving me directions

If an officer saw you do that they will certainly pull you over and search your car for drugs :high:

[mb_]

turned himself in regarding a warrant about him assaulting her current? bf @ a timmys

not regarding her murder





and that guys body they found in Squamish is a 55yr old chinese gangster

yeah when i posted that, not much details was given

[spideyv2]

i heard whalley back in the day was pretty brutal

it's never usually the crackheads that go around instigating shit. it's usually the heatscores with their fake murses

[beatdownvictim]

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[Roach]

^ Hahaha J... so insightful.

Kev

[beatdownvictim]

I hate browsing on my iPhone
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[StylinRed]

Regarding the Maple Batalia murder 2 Surveillance videos have been released of the suspect vehicle

its a White Dodge Charger

Suspect car drives away after Batalia murder - YouTube

batalia.wmv - YouTube


Looks like there's graphics running down the side of the drivers side from that 2nd video (maybe its just a reflection)

[Harvey Specter]

The Maple murder is becoming a bit bizarre, I thought it would be an open and shut case but I guess it's a bit more complex.

So is her ex not the killer? Or do the cops not have enough evidence to charge him yet? I've heard rumors that the ex hired someone to kill her, I've also heard some comments like why was she studying so late and alone just days after an assault which occurred 5 in the morning.